From ABC/Reuters
China has told participants in the UN climate change talks that it sees no possibility of reaching an operational accord this week, an official involved in the Copenhagen talks says.
The official, who asked not to be identified by name, told Reuters that the Chinese had suggested instead issuing “a short political declaration of some sort”.
The statement from the world’s biggest polluter comes less than 24 hours before most world leaders are due to join the climate change talks in Copenhagen, where ministers and negotiators have made only modest progress at best.
Talks have been stalled by a widening rift between developing nations and the developed world.
Earlier Prime Minister Kevin Rudd said it was possible that there would be progress on other issues such as emission cuts during the next day or so.
“I have a sense that as more heads of government arrive here in Copenhagen, that we will make some more progress. But can I just say, as I said yesterday, success at this Copenhagen conference is by no means guaranteed,” he said.
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No word yet on if Obama still plans to attend at the end.
h/t to WUWT reader “Spence Canada”
Paul Vaughan
I agree completely. The saddest aspect of this whole thing for me is the damage it will do to a proper environmental attitude. I am hoping a robust environmental science will be the outcome. Science in my mind is neither left or right but can become so, as we have seen!
Don’t your chickens before they hatch. And don’t underestimate the AGW religious mafia.
Graeme From Melbourne (20:37:19) :
Mike Bryant (20:07:53) :
…….. If they ever want to get paid back the money owed by the USA, …….
As much as I dislike the possibility, I wouldn’t be suprised if the current administration was toying with the idea of (hyper-)inflating (the US currency) the US out of it’s debt obligations.
Recently, on a TV talk show, as I watched in horror and disgust, a prominent politician(the name is escaping me at this moment) floated that very idea. Sigh, it never ends with them.
OT, but we’re in for some stunning sunsets downunder, a major erruption and possibly some enhanced cooling:
http://www.smh.com.au/world/volcano-called-beautiful-turns-very-ugly-20091217-kzgz.html?autostart=1
Pedro X (20:12:48) :
If you can’t come up with a decent slogan that isn’t 13 words long you don’t have a chance.
Yeah, no S%^t.
I had to go back and count. First time I just zoned after the first line.
If they would just stop trying to continually screw up our lives for their ego, I would stop fighting them and get on with my own life. Oh how I wish I could have a decent shot at having a happy life without the control freaks in it.
China and India came in with a portfolio of demands from America and Europe that were designed to appease greenies and patriots at home, but were designed to destroy the silly conclave of morons. China is an expert at this, having done the same thing since the Korean War. India was basically riding on coattails, learning how to lie and seem self righteous at the same time. The Chinese are fully aware that all the science behind AGW is faked, but everyone would not believe its conclusion. likewise for India, though they were surprised when they released their own findings showing India’s warming was statistically unimportant, was ridiculed by the Western agencies and their proxies in the world press. So both adopted a “you pay us to pollute approach”.
Lord Monckton breaks down Copenhagen
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMxJG-Mu9dc&hl=en_US&fs=1&]
I’ll believe it when Carbonhagen is over.
In walks Hu during ‘Happy Hagen Hour’: “What you worried about?”.
Two minutes inside that barroom brawl and he decides he’s seen enough.
Riding back to the airport through the wintery blast he declares “Now I see what you worried about: Al Gore selling bad fortune cookies with Green Dragons inside”
Concerning electric cars. As I understand it. it takes the same amount of energy to move a given weight automobile a given distance. Therefore, the electric power grid will have to supply additional electricity equal to the enormous amount of energy now produced by gasoline and diesel oil. The U.S. power grid is already operating within it’s designed emergency overload capacity just to handle everyday demand. Transmission systems are so expensive that wind farms can’t afford them but must piggyback on fossil fuel plants, remember the cancelling of 6 Kansas wind farms when 2 coal plants were disallowed for enviro. reasons.Given our financial mess, building a much larger elec. system is not a viable solution. Drill, baby, drill!
An aside thought. At present, no one talks about the comparative weight of a vehicle battery pack versus a full tank of gas. I think the plug-in car will have to be heavier or have a lot smaller payload.
As to the supposed problems with nuclear plants; the persons speaking against them seem to work for organizations that are against nuclear for enviro-superstition reasons. France does not seem to have those problems.
I checked out your op-ed piece, Dan, and thought it was wonderful and cogently put. I think you ought to get it circulated more widely. NOTE: click on my name to read the anti-Palin oped in the Juneau Empire here
Reply: You are welcome to link to your pro AGW editorials on this site, but your weird spammy have of seemingly trying to slip through unnoticed is not appreciated. Please be a little more straightforward next time and don’t speak of yourself in third person. We have wonderful first person singular pronouns in English that you can use. ~ charles the moderator.
REPLY2: Dan E Bloom aka “Danny Bloom” who lives in Taiwan is a duplicitous attention seeker whom has in the past, filed frivolous lawsuits to get attention.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/11/22/litigious-lunacy/
As Charles noted, he made a ruse here in comments to “slip through unnoticed” in addition to changing his name, had me fooled with the Juneau article, enough that I made the mistake of inviting him to post it here, then I realized I’d been had. and told him “never mind”. You’ll probably see those two emails show up on another blog somewhere without my permission, because Mr. Bloom has no scruples about private correspondence. He’s probably duped that Alaskan newspaper too. He will not be posting here, ever. I’ve told him several times now I have no interest in conversing with him on any level, yet here he is, trying another ploy. Banned. – Anthony Watts
REPLY3 As predicted, Danny Bloom libels me on his blog, using private email correspondence without permission, and putting words in my mouth that I never used (such as the F-word), and quoting selectively. As I said, he has no scruples. – Anthony
Pedro X (20:12:48) :
If you can’t come up with a decent slogan that isn’t 13 words long you don’t have a chance.
It reads like an IPCC document.
Besides these investigations the following will happen:
Spenc Canada (20:14:22) :
Ross
I have been thinking lots about the world after Copenhagen, if, as it now appears, it will be a complete failure. There will be a number of investigations including: [etc.]….
– It will ultimately mean a change of governments in, at least, England, Australia and the US
– The EU will fall apart
– End of the UN as we know it
– Law suits will abound against some universities and government agencies who have supported pseudo science with our tax dollars.
One can hope!
That’d be more along the lines of my idea of Utopia: real Science, real problem solving, real progress, Real Justice.
Lord Monkton knows how the game is played by heart. They never deviate from the script.
Do you want to know how they do it?
Mooloo says: “And the failure to reach agreement in Copenhagen has nothing to do with bureaucracy. The bureaucrats would have rammed something through by now, because bureaucracy is quite effective at decision making (albeit they often make bad and undemocratic decisions).
The lack of agreement is because virtually no countries think the situation is bad enough to risk being the first to make real cuts. Until the scientists manage to show that to them, beyond any doubt, they will always err on the side of economic wealth. So long as any scepticism about AGW remains, the warmers are always fighting self-interest.”
Mooloo speaks the truth. And that is the beauty of it.
[oops, I slightly screwed up the attribution above. I said only the last sentence. The first sentence should have gone right above the 2nd paragraph as Ross’. No big deal, but…]
Funny, when ABC first posted that story, the following was the headline, “China declares Copenhagen a failure: source” Posted 2 hours 59 minutes ago, but then Updated 1 hour 28 minutes ago, they changed the title to, “China sees no chance of climate deal: source.”
See this search: http://www.google.com/search?q=China+declares+Copenhagen+a+failure+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
See also this:
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That poor woman and her slogan, I’m not going to believe they’re serious until they break out the Giant Paper Mache’ Dummies.
As soon as Gordon Brownturn decided to take a soiree over, the thing was doomed. No doubt he’ll still try to agree some kind of unilateral economic disarmament though, he’s succeeded already in trashing most of our economy.
Michael (21:34:24) :
Lord Monkton knows how the game is played by heart. They never deviate from the script.
Do you want to know how they do it? Ok, Here’s how they do it.
Thanks for Keeping Secrets MSM love David Rockefeller
Reply: I’ll alow this comment, but let’s not spiral out of control on world government discussions. ~ ctm
With a massive airdrop of stupid, the Copenhagen process can be saved. Sadly that seems a likely outcome.
Yes M’lud, I agree with the scenario but what will they have done?
To me the tipping point was when Chavez received a rousing ovation when he made the distinction between capitalism and socialism. This is definitely now a political rally on redistribution of wealth and has very little to do with climate or science.
I cannot for the life of me imagine that President Obama would commit the USA to another financial burden that would drag the US into the abyss after just committing 30,000 more troops and 30 billion dollars for Afghanistan. But many other leaders may be just crazy enough to agree to anything just to be able to go home with no loss of face. And Gordon Brown knows that his government will not have to come up with a penny because soon they will not be there.
I can only pray that the good Lord is right and what comes out in the end is just pee and wind but I guess it ain’t quite over until the fat lady sings.
L Gardy LaRoche (21:14:04) :
Lord Monckton breaks down Copenhagen
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Yep, he’s got them pegged….. Political theatrics. Their policies… Our money.