From WUWT Tips and Notes comments by Robert E. Phelan:
Ric Werme has been tracking the Science Museum “Prove It!” poll since October 29th here:
http://wermenh.com/proveit.html
Starting November 2 the “count-me-in” votes have substantially outnumbered the “count-me-out” votes, although the outs have remained ahead in the over-all tally. Since November 24th the daily count has begun to favor the “outs” again. It looks like Climategate is starting to have an effect.
For those who may not yet know the story behind the poll and the ups and downs, WUWT has a nice thread here:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/23/and-then-what-happens/
The poll can be found here:
http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/proveit.aspx
If anyone has not yet voted in that poll, this would be a good time to send a message. Do not be intimidated by the “we will forward your comment to the government” message. It appears for both the “in” and “out” voters; it may have been intended to be intimidating, but now is the time for everyine to send a message: “We will NOT be intimidated!”
Looks like the poll is now closed.
UPDATE:
Yup it’s closed.
Final Results:
http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/proveit/about_the_count.aspx
“In the PROVE IT! gallery, 3408 people chose to count in and 626 chose to count out. On the website, 2650 users counted in and 7612 counted out.”
So, 6058 Ins, 8238 Outs, a difference of 2180 and a kick in the eye for the museum. (This even though a mysterious 2200 in votes appeared in the last 24-hours)
Statement from the Museum:
http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/about_us/press_and_media/press_releases/2009/12/Prove%20It%20Announcement.aspx
“More work needs to be done to convince people of the reality of human-induced climate change and of the urgency with which we must agree an international solution. Public organisations, like the Science Museum, have a responsibility to lay out the evidence and open up public discussion.”
So as the museum did not lay out ANY evidence, which is why the public voted against their proposition.
They stopped taking votes:
http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/proveit/about_the_count.aspx
About the count
In the run-up to the Copenhagen conference we invited Science Museum visitors and web users to respond to the following statement with ‘count me in’ or ‘count me out’:
“I’ve seen the evidence. And I want the government to prove they’re serious about climate change by negotiating a strong, effective, fair deal at Copenhagen.”
In the PROVE IT! gallery, 3408 people chose to count in and 626 chose to count out. On the website, 2650 users counted in and 7612 counted out.
from link for further comments:
Today (1 December 2009) Professor Chris Rapley CBE, Director of the Science Museum and Professor of Climate Science at UCL said:
“More work needs to be done to convince people of the reality of human-induced climate change and of the urgency with which we must agree an international solution. Public organisations, like the Science Museum, have a responsibility to lay out the evidence and open up public discussion.”
He added:
“Over the past month the Science Museum has provided a channel for people to engage with the scientific evidence for climate change through a temporary exhibit and accompanying website called ‘Prove It!’. There is currently plenty of debate around climate change research and I believe it is important for the Science Museum to provide a means for people to engage with the issues. Prove It! has created a space for visitors, to the Museum and website, to consider the scientific evidence, come to their own conclusions and express their opinion. The indications from Prove It! are consistent with a recent Pew Centre survey and a 2007 Ipsos Mori poll: a large proportion of people do not believe in the reality of man-made climate change.
Furthermore, Professor Rapley said:
“The Science Museum is uniquely placed to engage with people about climate change, facilitating discussion and decision making based on evidence. I look forward to launching a new dedicated climate change gallery next June as the culmination of our Centenary year.”
The statement was made to coincide with the revealing of the results of a poll carried out by the Science Museum to tie in with the Prove It! project. The poll suggested that a significant number of people are not convinced by the evidence for man-made climate change so do not support strong action by the UK government at the forthcoming Copenhagen conference.
Prove It! remains open until January 2010 and is free to visit.
MB (01:59:27) :
> It is invalid for The Science Museum to host this poll, it is inappropriate, unprofessional and unethical.
You left out pointless. When they started the poll, people were going to vote on a treaty at Copenhagen. Now that’s by the wayside, I haven’t figured what they will do there, probably be annoyed when China and India walk out.
The poll should be viewed for entertainment purposes only. I really doesn’t matter which side “wins” – the result will not change the world. It might change how the Science Museum approaches “do this now!” tasks in the future and dissuade them from ever doing a poll on an emotional subject again. That point has already been made, all that’s left is a little face saving if the “in”s win.
anna v (05:40:29) :
That would be 6058 / 8238, and that occurred at some odd time:
Nov 30 07:30 UTC: 6039 8490
Nov 30 08:00 UTC: 6106 8496
Oops. How about:
Nov 29 21:30 UTC: 5456 8209
Nov 29 22:00 UTC: 5464 8241
Geez, can’t these guys get anything right?
I have to go to work – can someone contact the Museum and have them
check, err, fix their maths?
Meanwhile, votes keep counting:
Dec 01 10:00 UTC: 7523 8978
Dec 01 10:30 UTC: 7532 8987
> Prove It! remains open until January 2010 and is free to visit.
I assume that means the exhibit. Since the poll is part of the exhibit, I hope they’ll make it clear that the poll results have been sent to the gov’t and and subsequent votes really are for entertainment purposes only.
I guess I’ll keep tracking as long as the poll is open.
Well, in the main page the numbers are no longer appearing, and there is no link to a vote. http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/proveit.aspx
It’s over! We won, they lost; but they don’t say that.
http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/about_us/press_and_media/press_releases/2009/12/Prove%20It%20Announcement.aspx
Pops (07:47:20) :
Merely shows that they need to redouble their efforts to educate the public. It’s time for Chris Rapley to resign gracefully or be dumped. The poll was a chaotic disgrace and the exhibit just flat out wrong. Just for an example, we are at a 30 year low in cyclonic activity yet the museum is pushing the notion that global warming produces more and more intense hurricanes.
Our next project shoud be a point-by-point refutation of the Prove IT! exhibit with citations and then send it to the directors of the museum, parliament, George Monbiot….
We won but not by much… The numbers are here:
http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/proveit/about_the_count.aspx
Interesting how the in-house and web based voting is so different. Can’t help wondering how many parties of school kids were led through the exhibition in-house and ‘told’ to vote ‘Count Me In’…?
Just sent this email to the Science Museum press officer;
Dear —- ,
With reference to Professor Rapley’s quote on your ‘Prove-It’ press-release;
“More work needs to be done to convince people of the reality of human-induced climate change and of the urgency with which we must agree an international solution. Public organisations, like the Science Museum, have a responsibility to lay out the evidence and open up public discussion.”
I wonder if you could pass on this comment;
That the climate is changing is not in doubt, because it always has, and is continuing to do so. It is also clear that scientists do not yet understand these processes of change. It is also clear that the role of anthropic CO2 is also not understood. But it IS clear that the proposed international carbon-tax and related economic measures WILL damage the ecosystem.
And in his position as Director of the Science Museum, why is Professor Rapley not laying out that fact? And if he really is a proponent of the scientific process, why is he not calling for more science to be done, rather than calling for more propagandising? Rather, it appears that the result of his public initiative has been to damage the reputation of the scientific process itself.
Yours, etc.
Your webpage says:
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Today (1 December 2009) Professor Chris Rapley CBE, Director of the Science Museum and Professor of Climate Science at UCL said:
“More work needs to be done to convince people of the reality of human-induced climate change and of the urgency with which we must agree an international solution. Public organisations, like the Science Museum, have a responsibility to lay out the evidence and open up public discussion.”
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Are you dishonest or something? Have you ever hear about the science fraud at East Anglia University Climate Research Unit?
The manipulation of data in New Zeeland? The refusal to share raw data at three other universities?
Did you hear about the man behind the Santa Claus mask?