After an exciting encounter last week with some genuine sunspots that weren’t arguable as specks, pores, or pixels, the sun resumes its quiet state this week.

People send me things. Here’s the latest email from Paul Stanko, who has been following the solar cycle progression in comparison to previous ones.
Hi Anthony,
Out of the numbered solar cycles, #24 is now in 7th place. Only 5, 6, and 7 of the Dalton Minimum and cycles 12, 14, and 15 of the Baby Grand Minimum had more spotless days. Since we’ve now beaten cycle #13, we are clearly now competitive with the Baby Grand minimum.
Here’s a table of how the NOAA panel’s new SC#24 prediction is doing:
November 2008: predicted = 1.80, actual = 1.67 (predicted peak of 90 suggests an actual peak of 83.7)
December 2008: predicted = 1.80, actual = 1.69 (predicted peak of 90 suggests an actual peak of 84.7)
January 2009: predicted = 2.10, actual = 1.71 (predicted peak of 90 suggests an actual peak of 73.2)
February 2009: predicted = 2.70, actual = 1.67 (predicted peak of 90 suggests an actual peak of 55.6)
March 2009: predicted = 3.30, actual = 1.97 (predicted peak of 90 suggests an actual peak of 53.8)
April would require the October data which is still very incomplete. If this analysis intrigues you, I’d be happy to keep you updated on it. Please also find a couple of interesting graphs attached as images.
Paul Stanko
Here’s the graphs, the current cycle 24 and years of interest are marked with a red arrow:

And how 2008/2009 fit in:


Ah didn’t realise it would do that. Go to this page and scroll down to figure 5. I don’t know a huge amount about this stuff. I’m guessing the reconstruction is based on some kind of isotope proxies.
Ron de Haan (16:58:53) :
“What then is the actual cause of sudden stratospheric warming?”
Mountain ranges and land-sea temperature contrasts generate long (wavenumber 1 or 2) Rossby waves in the troposphere. These waves travel upward to the stratosphere and are dissipated there, producing the warming by decelerating the mean zonal flow. The Sun has nothing to do with this.
Ed (16:12:59) : writes
“Leif,
Do you think the lack of sunspots during the Maunder minimum were careless counting”
If you are really interested in this, I suggest you read Edward Maunder’s second original paper 1922 The Prolonged Sunspot Minimum 1645 – 1715 Journal of the British Astronomical Society 32: 140. He makes an extremely good case that this was NOT a case of careless counting. Unfortunately I have no way of quoting from the actual paper, unless I type out the whole thing.
Top chart omits the number of spotless days in the transit leading into cycle 4.
Robinson (17:11:43) :
Ah didn’t realise it would do that. Go to this page and scroll down to figure 5. I don’t know a huge amount about this stuff. I’m guessing the reconstruction is based on some kind of isotope proxies.
The reconstruction of the cosmic ray intensity relies on the Galaxy having a certain regular [and known!] shape with spiral arms that are fixed in position over billions of years and that the Sun’s orbit in the Galaxy is constant. Recent mapping of the spiral arms shows that the arms are not in the position assumed by Shaviv: e.g. http://www.leif.org/EOS/0906-2777.pdf so that theory hasn’t got legs anymore.
Jim Cripwell (17:22:26) :
He makes an extremely good case that this was NOT a case of careless counting.
As I said, it is not careless counting. They really couldn’t see the invisible spots.
Now, many are thinking we should be seeing reduced temps. Not necessarily immediately.
My view is that the oceans heat more rapidly than they cool. Oceans are heated directly by the Sun’s incoming SW visible spectrum. Oceans cool by evaporation and long wave thermal radiation.
I submit that the heating is more rapid than the cooling.
So, don’t expect to see a great and immediate drop in temps; however, a slow, gradual decline can be anticipated if the Sun doesn’t get a little more excited.
Are there any real time data sources or graphs of the height of the ionosphere? This, to me, is a measure of the total internal energy of the atmosphere.
Leif, I check your graphs every day – yes, I don’t have much of a life :^)
I notice that, although we are getting spurts of sunspots and other signs of solar activity, the range of fluctuation of the magnetic field is still at low-low levels. I also notice that the F10.7 is not ramping up as anticipated; will it drop again below 70?
francisco (17:30:12) :
Top chart omits the number of spotless days in the transit leading into cycle 4.
Explain
Robert Wood (17:37:44) :
Are there any real time data sources or graphs of the height of the ionosphere? This, to me, is a measure of the total internal energy of the atmosphere.
every five minutes:
http://www.spacew.com/www/hmf2.html
King of Cool, if you check the series back behind 2005, you will see greater -ve changes than that of this year.
The point is, the increase is due to the wartmer planet, and not vice versa.
Now, if you want proof that CO2 residency is short, not long, look at that graph. How co0me there are seasonal variations? Surely, if the residency time was large, then these seasonal variations would not exist.
Gene Nemetz (14:31:47) :
carol smith (13:28:13) :
We could also consider there is a delay in reaction, like a delay in water in a freezer before it turns in to ice.
How come Piers Corbyn is able to base medium term weather forecasts on solar (or lack of ) activity, then? Surely this implies an immediate effect. So which is it?
Jim Cripwell (17:22:26) :
Unfortunately I have no way of quoting from the actual paper, unless I type out the whole thing.
email it to me and I’ll put on my ‘library page’
leif at leif.org
Robert Wood (17:42:43) :
I also notice that the F10.7 is not ramping up as anticipated; will it drop again below 70?
I don’t think it will. It will certainly not drop back to its level [66] at minimum back in December.
ralph (11:17:55) :
If Sunspot activity is linked to climate, as appears to be so (and even the disputed tree record appears to record the Dalton minimum) – then what is the causal factor??
If it is not TSI, solar wind, magnetic flux or cosmic rays, then what could be the causal factor? Anything we have missed?
CO2? ;^}
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Leif Svalgaard (17:14:31) :
Ron de Haan (16:58:53) :
“What then is the actual cause of sudden stratospheric warming?”
“Mountain ranges and land-sea temperature contrasts generate long (wavenumber 1 or 2) Rossby waves in the troposphere. These waves travel upward to the stratosphere and are dissipated there, producing the warming by decelerating the mean zonal flow. The Sun has nothing to do with this”.
Leif, is this event also related to Rossby waves?
The sudden stratospheric warming in the Arctic, January 2009
For a pictorial overview of the structure of a polar vortex and its interaction with the surrounding atmosphere see:
http://www.jhu.edu/~dwaugh1/gallery_stratosphere.html
The temperature of the atmosphere between the surface and the top of the stratosphere is shown in Figures 1 and 2. Figure 1 shows the Arctic and Figure 2 the equatorial region.
Figure 1 shows the sudden stratospheric warming in the Arctic that commenced 11th January 2009.
Vertical distribution of temperature 65-90°North
Figure 1 Vertical distribution of temperature 65-90°North
Figure 2 shows cooling in the stratosphere above the equator that occurred at exactly the same time. This is of great interest because it coincided with warming of parts of the ocean.
Vertical distribution of temperature 10°N to 10°S
Figure 2. Vertical distribution of temperature 10°N to 10°S
Source: http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/strat-trop/
Sudden Stratospheric Warming 60-90N
Stratospheric Cooling 25N to 25S
The dynamics behind the stratospheric warming event can be followed via an animation at http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/36000/36972/npole_gmao_200901-02.mov
“Here is my interpretation of what is happens: An increase in the solar wind occurs as a coronal hole appears on the surface of the sun in an Earth facing position accelerating the solar wind. The atmosphere inflates over the equator and is sucked back from the polar regions, in particular the night pole which faces away from the sun. This enhances the penetration of short wave radiation into the ozone rich stratosphere of the winter hemisphere causing it to warm. The density loss consequent on coronal hole activity reduces the supply of air feeding the polar night jet (the Arctic vortex). The vortex carries within it compounds from the mesosphere that erode ozone. As the vortex is weakened the ozone content of the stratosphere at high latitudes in the winter hemisphere dramatically increases. If the vortex is sufficiently weakened this warm air takes over its home, flooding into the night zone.
Change begins in the lower stratosphere in the Arctic at 70hPa on the 8th. It starts in the upper stratosphere at the equator about January 10th and in the Arctic stratosphere January 11th. The most intense change starts at the highest levels of the stratosphere working its way gradually downwards. This I believe reflects a gradual erosion of the width of the vortex at the highest altitude where solar radiation is most intense. As this happens the ocean starts to warm because a warming upper troposphere loses ice cloud.
An idea of the mechanism that is involved can be gleaned from the abstract of a very recent paper:
Crowley, G., A. Reynolds, J. P. Thayer, J. Lei, L. J. Paxton, A. B. Christensen, Y. Zhang, R. R. Meier, and D. J. Strickland (2008), Periodic modulations in thermospheric composition by solar wind high speed streams, Geophys. Res. Lett., 35, L21106, doi:10.1029/2008GL035745.
ΣO/N2 ratios in the Earth’s thermosphere are measured by the Global Ultraviolet Imager (GUVI) on the TIMED satellite, and demonstrate strong 9 and 7 day oscillations in 2005 and 2006, respectively, that are well correlated with the solar wind speed and Kp index. This work builds on the recently discovered connection between rotating solar coronal holes and thermospheric mass density variations. The work described here is the first description of geomagnetically forced periodicities in neutral composition. Furthermore, these observations provide the first definitive proof that the processes creating neutral composition changes during geomagnetic storms occur continuously at all activity levels and all over the world. The ΣO/N2 response versus the mass density response indicates the important role of vertical winds at high latitudes while thermal expansion dominates at lower latitudes”.
John Finn (17:52:17) :
If Piers Corbyn has figured out how much effect and how long of a lagtime for sunspots to affect weather, he probably has a comfortable margin with which to work with.
If you knew what the monkeywrenches were that routinely goof up > 3 day forecasts and what they did, you’d be in high demand. You’d also have a dead aim if you knew when those gear-wreckers were about to drop into the mechanism.
Spotless days records can be deceiving, for instance the Laymans’ Count that has a standard and ignores specks (which aligns it with past counting methods) between june 2008 and june 2009 has a spotless days number of 349. That only leaves 16 days in the year with a spot.
As far as the future is concerned there is good news, there are no chances of major grand minima for the next 1000 years at least, but we will still get the minor versions like we are experiencing now.
Gene Nemetz (11:32:08) :
… on October 28 Piers Corbyn has said he’s going to make public some of the key ingredients of his method. That’s just 25 days away now…. I am anxious to learn about myself. How about everyone else?
I’m just appealing to my Higher Power that it’s not a Wheel of Fortune that he throws darts at!
So what is the L&P effect….probably just a reduction in solar activity strength that we have been witnessing since SC21. Most of the L&P records are taken from the downslope of SC23 where a reduction would be expected. There are signs of a small recovery in the1026 and 1027 readings, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a leveling off or small gain as we head towards a weak SC24 max. Full recovery probably cannot be expected before SC26.
Sunspots may not appear under a certain Guass limit, but they would still appear on the magnetogram….this we are still not seeing.
@ur momisugly Lief,
You aked me to explain my comment that “Top chart omits the number of spotless days in the transit leading into cycle 4.”
Just a simple observation, and I was curious about the number. The chart titled “Spoless Days in each cycle” has a bar for all cycles 1 through 24 inclusive, except for cycle 4.
Ron de Haan (18:11:16) :
Leif, is this event also related to Rossby waves?
The sudden stratospheric warming in the Arctic, January 2009
I think so. Now, there is no doubt that solar UV and activity controls the temperature and influences the chemistry at very high altitudes, but those things have no direct effect on the ground. One could argue that the reflectivity of the upwards traveling waves might be influenced by solar activity, but no detailed mechanism has been put forwards. A clue is perhaps that SSWs are very rare in the Southern hemisphere which would be hard to explain if the cause is external to the Earth system.
Geoff Sharp (18:21:40) :
So what is the L&P effect….probably just a reduction in solar activity strength that we have been witnessing since SC21.
No, it is a visibility effect. Not a reduction in the number of spots.
There are signs of a small recovery in the1026 and 1027 readings
Nonsense. Those are just the natural variability from spot to spot and do not constitute a trend.
Sunspots may not appear under a certain Guass limit, but they would still appear on the magnetogram….this we are still not seeing.
Yes we are. They are very clear on magnetograms.
The L&P effect is not general decline of solar activity but a visibility effect due to low field strength. The Radio Flux indicates that we should about twice as many spots as we actually do for the moment, so the spots are getting harder to see. The radio flux is a ‘better’ indicator of solar activity and we have seen [as discussed a while ago on this blog] the relationship between flux and spots changing.
francisco (18:38:31) :
has a bar for all cycles 1 through 24 inclusive, except for cycle 4.
Ah, sharp eyes there. Perhaps because cycle 4 was so long that it went off the chart, or perhaps there was no daily data, but then cycle 1-8 shouldn’t be there either. This we still await an explanation for. Paul?!
Hard to believe I once taught English. “… at which he throws darts.” Idiomatic usage looks terrible in written form.
What happened to cycle #4 in the chart above ??? Its the only one that is missing ? No data ??