Guardian: Global warming to trigger "earthquakes, tsunamis, avalanches and volcanic eruptions."

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Climate change: melting ice will trigger wave of natural disasters

Scientists at a London conference next week will warn of earthquakes, avalanches and volcanic eruptions as the atmosphere heats up and geology is altered. Even Britain could face being struck by tsunamis

Robin McKie The Observer, Sunday 6 September 2009

Scientists are to outline dramatic evidence that global warming threatens the planet in a new and unexpected way – by triggering earthquakes, tsunamis, avalanches and volcanic eruptions.

Reports by international groups of researchers – to be presented at a London conference next week – will show that climate change, caused by rising outputs of carbon dioxide from vehicles, factories and power stations, will not only affect the atmosphere and the sea but will alter the geology of the Earth.

Melting glaciers will set off avalanches, floods and mud flows in the Alps and other mountain ranges; torrential rainfall in the UK is likely to cause widespread erosion; while disappearing Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets threaten to let loose underwater landslides, triggering tsunamis that could even strike the seas around Britain.

At the same time the disappearance of ice caps will change the pressures acting on the Earth’s crust and set off volcanic eruptions across the globe. Life on Earth faces a warm future – and a fiery one.

“Not only are the oceans and atmosphere conspiring against us, bringing baking temperatures, more powerful storms and floods, but the crust beneath our feet seems likely to join in too,” said Professor Bill McGuire, director of the Benfield Hazard Research Centre, at University College London (UCL).

“Maybe the Earth is trying to tell us something,” added McGuire, who is one of the organisers of UCL’s Climate Forcing of Geological Hazards conference, which will open on 15 September. Some of the key evidence to be presented at the conference will come from studies of past volcanic activity. These indicate that when ice sheets disappear the number of eruptions increases, said Professor David Pyle, of Oxford University’s earth sciences department.

“The last ice age came to an end between 12,000 to 15,000 years ago and the ice sheets that once covered central Europe shrank dramatically,” added Pyle. “The impact on the continent’s geology can by measured by the jump in volcanic activity that occurred at this time.”

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Johnny Honda

Armageddon is near! The day of judgement is coming!
The only way to escape this is to regret your sins and to give all your money to us!

Richard deSousa

These knuckleheaded climate scientists are really desperate.

Chuck

lol, just lol

gt

Wow, from the ill-understood climatology to the even lesser-understood seismology. Surely they know it all don’t they. It is so easy to be a scientist these days; just throw out the most catastrophic prediction for 2100 and you’ll be famous and keep the funding rolling. No one will likely live long enough to see the validity of the claims anyways. Which Dr. Peikle Sr. just wrote an excellent discussion about this corruption of the scientific process.
http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/another-paper-that-short-curcuits-the-scientific-method-gangulya-et-al-2009-in-the-proceedings-of-the-national-academy-of-sciences/

pkatt

Is there nothing that they cant blame on global warming? Oh the humanity!!

Stephen Wilde

Not long ago, scientists were cautious, modest and aware of how much they did not know.
Nowadays they run about screaming about speculative doom laden events based on half baked imagined scenarios.
When did they all turn into 5 year old schoolchildren ?
Should anyone keep listening to them ?
Should we vote for any politician who relies on their judgements ?
Come to that, where are the intelligent politicians ?
It seems that over 60 years of relative stability and prosperity in the world has led to universal brain rot in our ruling establishments.

PaulS

Majority of the Ice at the Arctic is floating, so this will do what now to the earths crust if it melts? Did these “Scientists” purchase their degrees online for 12.99 plus 12 tokens from Kelloggs Corn Flakes?
Copenhagen here we come!

John Edmondson

You could try commenting on this on the Guardian website, however if you don’t agree with the party line you will be out of luck.
How long before raised CO2 levels have an effect on the Earth’s orbit around the sun, or on the sun itself?
Meanwhile in the real world, expect total sea ice (NH and SH) to reach a record high (in satellite era) in late October. Annoying for the warmists, the ice doesn’t listen to propoganda.

Brian Johnson uk

Must become a Hollywood Film Script or was that what it was anyway?

chip

“while disappearing Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets ”
Can someone who uses the words ‘disapperaring’ and ‘Antarctic ice sheet’ really call themselves a scientist?
Does evidence even matter any more?

PaulS

Just thinking, all of the aerosols that the volcanoes produce when they go off should cool the planet again. Maybe this is the way forward after all!

IanP

I’m not sure that these pose problems as we will be well and truely fried by then if the UK Climate Projections published last month are true.
These are reported to “show that if we don’t take action by 2080 the temperature for the hottest day of the year in the West Midlands could increase by a scorching 100 C by 2080 … ”
http://nds.coi.gov.uk/clientmicrosite/Content/Detail.aspx?ClientId=416&NewsAreaId=2&ReleaseID=404755&SubjectId=36
I think that there should be a competition to see who can come up with the most looney and desperate alarmist ‘suggestion’ of what Climate Change will/or may (two categories) bring. Each of the suggestions entered in this competition should be published in a science paper or journal which is peer reviewed. Authors and reveiwers should be clearly named. Perhaps a week holiday at any tropical beach resort at the south pole could be offered as a prize.

This is possibly good news. Remember when the alarmists started claiming that global warming causes bigger hurricanes in 2005? We suddenly started seeing less and smaller hurricanes. Maybe this announcement will make us see less earthquakes and tsunamis!

Patrick Davis

Oh good God, we really have entered the age of stupid alright!

Jimmy Haigh

I’ve hardly ever read such complete and utter nonsense. As a geologist this garbage angers me. I don’t know where these guys learnt their geology but it wasn’t from the same rocks as the ones that I’ve studied over the years.

crosspatch

“You can’t make this stuff up. ”
Well, somebody did.
I can absolutely not believe the level of idiocy these days in the journalism profession. Have they not noticed that this year’s Arctic ice is greater than last year’s; or that last year’s is greater than the year before?
What total tools. I will tell you how this stuff gets reported like this. I will share a secret. I was married to a journalist for 10 years. What happens is that the reporter receives a “press package” with the story already written for them. It is done by a professional PR agency, often an agency that specializes on “progressive” causes like Fenton Communications in the US.
They might be given a list of individuals who would be available for interview or if there is an event or “protest”, they are given a press liaison contact. If they attend the event and make contact with the liaison, they will be given a “press packet” there that gives the “correct” background information. They will be briefed and explained to them what the importance of various things are and guided to the best locations for photographs and possibly be directed to key individuals for comments.
It is the difference between a photograph and a painting. Journalist means you write things down. It is different than being a reporter and digging for facts. The truth is many “journalists” are lazy and more interested in hanging out with the “cool people” so they can count themselves among them.
In laying out what “scientists will warn of” next week, he had to have been given access to the press packet. He is likely re-stating what was dropped on his desk.
“Maybe the Earth is trying to tell us something,”
A fine piece of “emotionalizing” there. Earth is a rock. A really big rock. If rocks are taking to you, maybe you need to up your dosage.
I am sick of this nonsense.

wes george

Thanks. This is one for the bookmarks. A talking point and citation high up on my list.
Meanwhile:
“…add this gem from New Zealand: According to a parliamentary committee, Kiwis should accept lower standards of living to protect the national image abroad.”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB30001424052970203440104574397112556058826.html
Like Anthony said, you can’t make this stuff up!

Ray Boorman

It’s not April 1st is it?

crosspatch

“If rocks are taking to you”
Meant “if rocks are talking to you” … or maybe your dosage is too high already. Might want to get some professional help in either case. Earth doesn’t “talk” to anyone.

I am losing hope for western european society.
This will be taken seriousley.
When it gets cooler, or stays the same, it will be blamed on global warming “in the pipeline”.
This is not the only sign of a civilization in suicidal self decline.
I am lucky, I have family and property in Asia where they get on with life.
In the west, I hope America at least sees sense.

In reading the readers’ comments at the Guardian, the hysteria is worse than we thought too.
Don’t appear to be too many skeptic comments surviving the “moderator’s knife” either.

This really is desperation, isn’t it? Its like the Enron accountant, who vainly propped up his company by producing ever more fictitious profits. Like Enron, the Greens will eventually run out of scare stories that anyone believes, and their empire will crash, burn and disappear without trace.
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Besides, the great story in the Sunday Times last week was that volcanos are exactly what we want, to reduce Global Warming.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6814912.ece
Ok, so let me get this straight. The solution to Global Warming is now the problem; so the original problem can never be solved because the solution is worse that the problem.
Is it just me??
This is why I inhabit this site, because it is an island of rationality and logic in an ever-increasing sea of hysteria and propaganda. Their shrill cries make me think the entire world has gone mad – but how have they done this? How have they bewitched an entire generation?
.

Roger

“said Professor Bill McGuire, director of the Benfield Hazard Research Centre, at University College London (UCL).”
The clue is in the name!

UK Sceptic

More warmist ridiculae from the UK:
It’s official! Warmism is now a religion recognised by British Law.
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2009/09/barking.html
Pass me a bucket someone, I need to vomit…

How can educated people be so gullible? We read “Will change…”, “Will not only affect…”, “Will show that…” These people have been looking too long and too hard at National Geographic and Discovery Channels, who have no qualms whatever about presenting a host of theories to our kids and grandchildren as established fact. These scientists are being brainwashed, exactly like the kids. We seem to be living in an age where remote theory, when the gang find it to be acceptably good-sounding, is swiftly melded into being established fact.
Geoff Alder

UK Sceptic

I dunno. That Guardian article has got me really worried. I’m at risk of laughing myself to death…

Marc Hendrickx

It’s hard to believe that the Dangerous man made global warming hypothesis could be extended into crustal dynamics but they have managed to do it. This really is laughable, if it wasn’t so serious.

Aron

All that with just one or two degrees of warming that will take the Arctic’s mean temperature to minus 27C and the Antarctic to minus 35C! OMG LOL

Henny Penny, the sky is falling! Run!
I don’t care to think what my geology professor would have said if I had put something like that on paper for him to read.
This conference seems like a parody of science.

Robert

*sound of me picking up my jaw from the floor*

son of mulder

And if it is warmer the earth will expand and make it a bigger target for asteroids. And there will be more solar flux hitting the larger earth so it will get even warmer, expand more and get even warmer……..leading to more drag from space dust which means the orbit around the sun will decay more quickly and it’ll get even warmer nay hotter and……

p.g.sharrow "PG"

Some how I think there are more likely causes of earthquakes then AGW. The most interesting is from an Andies indian observation that quakes and eruptions followed solar eclips.

Bulldust

“This new learning amazes me! Explain again how sheep’s bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.” ~Monty Python and the Holg Grail.
None of this would have happened if we’d kept the earth flat and at the centre of the universe. I blame science and technology for all this… ahhh ignorance is such bliss.

Thermageddon and the Ecopolypse will cause earthquakes, tsunamis, and then the seas will boil!!! The very crust beneath our feet will crack and swallow us up!!! Scientists are all in consensus on that!!! Why won’t you listen, you deniers, you heretics and apostates???? Doom, I tells ya, doom is fast approaching!!!!
Oh the weeping and gnashing of teeth!!! You stupid greedy SUV drivers and energy hogs!!! You have condemned us all and Life Itself to the fiery pits!!!!
Two questions: what’s for lunch at the conference, and will there be a no-host bar?

James Mayo

I’m beginning to wonder why I keep subjecting myself to reading these sorts of stories. All they do is aggravate me and yet I keep going back for more, hoping that at some point they go over the deep end and people finally start looking at the numbers themselves.
Concerning the content of the article, I can’t help but wonder how Earth has even survived this long. They certainly seem to pile on the doomsday possibilities, earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis oh my! Are they just hoping that if they propose enough disaster scenarios that if one were to happen they can instantly point to it and say look we told you so? If the methane hydrate deposits are so sensitive to sea surface temperatures isn’t it a good thing that they have been dropping since 2004? If less ice at the caps reduces the pressure on the Earth’s crust wouldn’t that reduce the likelihood of eruptions? Is it possible that correlation is not causation and that the volcanic activity at the end of the last ice age might be attributable to the milankovitch cycle, or another gravitational mechanism and have absolutely nothing to do with warming temperatures or retreating glaciers? Even if you assume they are right wouldn’t the increased volcanic activity lead to dimming? Pinatubo and El Chichon show up immediately in the temperature data and overwhelm many warming effects.
I think I have an idea for how we can accelerate the awakening to the realization the emperor has no clothes. We found the Watt’s Institute for Climatalogical Armageddon Nexus or WICAN. We then put out daily press releases showing that the increase in temperatures have led to increases across the globe in the number of cases of swine flu, aids, automotive accidents, pirates, terrorists, etc… We can scientifically show that all of those things have increased as a result of higher temperatures. “These are key issues that we will have to investigate over the next few years” All we need is the funding to do so.
It wouldn’t take long for the average joe who doesn’t pay very close attention to the drivel from the Hazard Research Centre to suddenly realize that the alarmist hand wringing du jour is just that.
JM

Pingo

Maybe volcanoes offer an escape from ice ages through deposition of molecules on ice affecting the planet’s albedo.
The correlation could be backwards. Wouldn’t surprise me they try to find the most alarmist assessment possible though – it is the Guardian.

Paul Vaughan

This is just the beginning.
Wait until they start getting creative.
The media will love them.
Fiction sells better than truth.

“Even Britain could face being struck by tsunamis…
The cynical selection of panic lines displayed by the quote above from this story is highlighted by reference to the following from a 2007 article. Like… why mention it has happened before a few hundred years back? That would only blunt the panic… and the guilt so necessary to keep this baby movin’.

A tsunami struck coastal England 400 years ago, causing the deadliest natural disaster in the history of the United Kingdom, new research suggests.
The massive wave was responsible for a flood on January 30, 1607, that swamped the Bristol Channel in southwestern England, submerging more than 190 square miles (500 square kilometers) of land and killing some 2,000 people, the study says.
National Geographic News — May 7, 2007

Robert Morris

I lost my keys this morning. Isn’t climate change insidious?

I´m sceptic of manmade climate change, but actually when ice sheets disappear, scientists in Iceland have said for years that less pressure on earth´s crust do trigger volcanic activity under the glaciers.
Greetings from Icelands 🙂

jeroen

I bet they can’t proofe this. Al the snow and ice in the alps melt every summer and snow’s back every winter. I bet they didn’t measured the volume of the glaciers or any thing else. This is worse than the pope is saying that aids is caused by condoms.

Manfred

and next time, the guardian’s science team will reveal the biggest threat to mankind
http://bioresonant.com/news.htm
Reply: I wear extra large, please ship to Anthony. http://bioresonant.com/dress.html ~ charles the moderator

DennisA

After twenty plus years of this nonsense we are into a new generation of scientists who are qualified not in Climate science, or meteorology and the like. They are qualified and have PhD’s in Global Warming and Mitigation Strategies, Climate impacts on indigenous peoples, socio-economic impacts etc etc, having been taught and supervised by the initiators of the whole scam in the first place and fostered by the Behemoth that is the UN.

crosspatch

DennisA (01:20:13) :

Makes you wonder how they will handle it when another c. 535 volcanic eruption occurs what wipes out the US and Canadian grain crops. Last time it happened we lost 1/2 of the world’s population. We would probably loose a greater portion if that happened today. And it WILL happen again.

3x2

XBox-360 – “Anything is possible”
(I should have gone into advertising)

redneck

So AGW leads to ACD (Anthropogenic Continental Drift). Looks like the climatologists are finally catching up to the Peoples Cube.
http://thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=1668

Les Bennett

Bill McGuire : rent-a-disaster expert.
Put him in a plane, send him to a disaster destination, get some footage of him walking around the area with his little travel bag, cue audio.

Terry

I recall a nutty PhD in Australia who mooted this a few years ago. It was howled down by both AGW proponents and sceptics alike, but obviously he must have the ear of some folk. I just cant remember his name at the present.
Reply: Dr Thomas J. Chalko MSc, PhD ~ ctm

Mac

Obviously people are not scared enough over Global Warming.
……………………but there is a day of reckoning coming for scientists who indulge in crying wolf.

Terry

Got it. Tom Chalko is the fellow, who did his fid in vibration analysis. His website;
http://sci-e-research.com/quake-energy.html