Arctic Temperature Reporting In The News Needs A Reality Check
Their new articles that claim the Arctic is rapidly warming. These articles are an excellent examples of the cherrypicking of particular published papers to promote the very narrow perspective of the journalists.
These include
An Associated Press news article by Randolph E. Schmid titled “Arctic reverses long-term trend”.
A New York Times article by Andrew C. Revkin titled “Humans May Have Ended Long Arctic Chill”.
The Schmid article has the text
“The most recent 10-year interval, 1999-2008, was the warmest of the last 2,000 years in the Arctic, according to the researchers led by Darrell S. Kaufman, a professor of geology and environmental science at Northern Arizona University.
Summer temperatures in the Arctic averaged 2.5 degrees Fahrenheit (1.4 degrees Celsius) warmer than would have been expected if the cooling had continued, the researchers said.
The finding adds fuel to the debate over a House-passed climate bill now pending in the Senate. The administration-backed measure would impose the first limits on greenhouse gases and eventually would lead to an 80 percent reduction by putting a price on each ton of climate-altering pollution.”
Revkin reinforces this extreme view in his September 3 2009 article with his figure of 2000 years of Arctic surface temperatures, with each decade having the same temporal resolution as the last 10 years.
The publication of these news articles are clearly meant to influence the political process, as evident in the last paragraph, where Schmid writes “The finding adds fuel to the debate over a House-passed climate bill now pending in the Senate.”
The documentation of their biased reporting is easy to show. For example, they do not report on observational data which does not show this rapid recent warming; e.g. see that the current high latitude temperatures are close to the longer term average since 1958
The Danish Meteorological Institute Daily Mean Temperatures in the Arctic 1958 – 2008 [and thanks to the excellent weblog Watts Up With That for making this easily available to us!]
There are also peer reviewed papers which show that the Schmid and Revkin articles are biased; e. g. see
i) the areal coverage of the coldest middle tropospheric temperatures (below -40C) have not changed radically as shown in the Revkin figure; see
Herman, B., M. Barlage, T.N. Chase, and R.A. Pielke Sr., 2008: Update on a proposed mechanism for the regulation of minimum mid-tropospheric and surface temperatures in the Arctic and Antarctic. J. Geophys. Res.-Atmos., 113, D24101, doi:10.1029/2008JD009799.
and
ii) there is a warm bias in the Arctic surface temperature measurements when they are used to characterize deeper atmospheric warming; see
Klotzbach, P.J., R.A. Pielke Sr., R.A. Pielke Jr., J.R. Christy, and R.T. McNider, 2009: An alternative explanation for differential temperature trends at the surface and in the lower troposphere. J. Geophys. Res., accepted.
At least the news Editors of the newspapers are starting to recognize that these journalists are presenting slanted news. The Schmid article appeared only on page 12 of my local newspaper.
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Micky C,
Therein lies the problem. We cannot create an alternate Earth, ratchet up the CO2 and see what happens. Instead, scientists use models to simulate the climate and how forcings influence the change. They are not perfect but, IMO, are very good and getting better all the time.
Models are used in all areas of science. Think of the models used to predict how H1N1 would spread. Can we test that in a lab?
Martin,
Here are two pretty good ones:
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/publications_ipcc_fourth_assessment_report_wg1_report_the_physical_science_basis.htm
http://climatecongress.ku.dk/pdf/synthesisreport/
Scott A. Mandia (11:44:26) :
“You all do realize that when you are treated by a doctor you are being treated with the drug and the method that is the consensus view in the medical literature at the present time.”
But I don’t recall anyone ever trying to shut down the debate about the efficacy or safety of a drug, and I don’t recall any claims in medicine about “the science is settled”.
In addition, last I checked, individuals still do have the choice of following the consensus or not, even with health care.
True. My point is that we cannot disparage consensus because that is how we make informed decisions. Just as in releasing a drug, we also cannot wait for 100% certainty or the drug never helps anybody.
Scott A. Mandia (11:44:26) :
Like many climate alarmists, Mandia still doesn’t get it:
The CO2=AGW runaway global warming conjecture is one of those ‘thousands’ that ‘were wrong.’ It is a failed conjecture, and public grant money is the only reason AGW isn’t dead and buried.
Once again: it is not the responsibility of the existing, long established theory of natural climate variability to falsify anything. It is the burden of those promoting a new hypothesis or conjecture [like AGW] to falsify the existing theory. So far, the CO2=AGW conjecture has failed miserably. The alarmists’ response is to shout “consensus!” But consensus isn’t science. Neither is AGW.
Dr. Mandia,
Please take a moment to review this graph of the response of CO2 and temperature in our atmosphere. Note that the response is logarithmic.
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/files/2009/07/co2_temperature_curve_saturation.png
Thanks to that logarithmic response, note also that CO2 has reached many times the current level in geologic history, and the earth did not go into a temperature runaway condition.
http://biocab.org/Geological_Timescale.jpg
The fact that we exist today to debate the issue shows that a temperature runaway condition due to CO2, even at levels 10x what we have now, is simply not possible. – Anthony
At last. I’ve worked all weekend to get most of John Daly’s Arctic temperature records onto one page, Circling the Arctic.
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NOT A SINGLE TEMPERATURE RECORD SHOWS A HOCKEY STICK. Many show no temperature rise at all over the last century and more. These are all the oldest, finest, least UHI-distorted temperature records we have, simple, direct, unequivocal evidence, preserved with great love by the late brilliant climatologist and skeptic, John Daly.
The temperature record “going back to basics” is precisely where we can see that the Emperor has no Clothes. Funny thing is, the data is all NASA GISS and CRU.
masonmart (03:44:06) :
Mr Mandia, I’ve just read Ian Plimer’s book and find it exceptionally reasoned and well referenced throughout. It will quite rightly influence many people who are undecided on the issue. His demonstration of how current climate and rate of change (if there is indeed any change) is not unknown by any means. As a geologist he understands and explains past climate history which generally has to be ignored to believe in AGW. He also understands and explains well the politics of AGW which is the key thing in climate debate.
It’s unfortunate that you’ve been taken in by Plimer, it’s not an auspicious start when two of the first three figures in his book are either distorted or contain fabricated data. For a detailed critique see http://www.complex.org.au/tiki-download_file.php?fileId=91
There are others but this one is very well written and researched with a good index (the necessity for an index should tell you something).
“Just as in releasing a drug, we also cannot wait for 100% certainty or the drug never helps anybody.”
A person presumably has the option if they take an unproven drug or not. I don’t have to take unproven drugs if I choose not to. I wouldn’t take any drugs at all if I was not sick.
The earth is not sick. It doesn’t need unproven remedies for imaginary problems.
Andrew
quote from climate audit:
“Carl Gullans:
September 4th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
It remains remarkable to me… that this ridiculousness is continuing six years after congress looked into it is absurd. That so many simple and easy to understand violations of basic statistical laws can remain after that many years is astounding.”
this is an article, where comments should by substantianted by facts and not opinions or general world visions. some people really should start to study the basics first, before trying to push others to save the world at unprecedented cost.
– start with the truly unbelievable violation of mathematics with the ex-post data selection
http://motls.blogspot.com/2008/12/ccnet-eight-articles-about-climate.html
– then look at all the issues related to the proxy selection of this and other papers
http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=6932
– and don’t forget the wegmann report, of course
http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2322
Peter (10:54:13) :
Dr. Manner, you could add a relatively recent example: until very recently the consensus held that gastric ulcers could only be treated by surgery, and pooh-poohed the idea that they could be caused by bacteria.
Nowadays, ulcers are treated with antibiotics.
He couldn’t use that because it isn’t true.
Within a few years of the first papers demonstrating the role of helicobacter pylori the scientific consensus was that this the main cause and could effectively be treated by a combination of antibiotics and ‘Peptobismol’. For some time afterwards the drug companies who were earning a major part of their profits from anti-ulcer patents continued to promote them with physicians!
Scott A. Mandia (11:47:39)
“Therein lies the problem. We cannot create an alternate Earth, ratchet up the CO2 and see what happens. Instead, scientists use models to simulate the climate and how forcings influence the change. They are not perfect but, IMO, are very good and getting better all the time.”
Which ones do you judge as “very good” and by what criteria?
Anthony,
Just to set the record straight, I do not possess a PhD so you probably shouldn’t address me as Dr. but I did enjoy the brief promotion. 🙂
I also never stated anything about a runaway temperature condition. Of course, long before that could happen there would still be serious consequences.
I appreciate your comments to me and that you let me post here in light of the fact that you and I disagree about AGW and that I did criticize you personally on another blog. I should try to be less emotional and stick to the science.
REPLY: No problem. We welcome opposing points of view here, just so long as questions and debate don’t fall into the snark and name calling traps. My experience is opposite yours in that I once believed CO2 was very much the main issue, now I don’t, partly due to graphs like the one I showed. It all boils down to what information we are exposed to and how we react to it. The trick is to remove the emotional component. – Anthony
Phil. (12:46:17) :
Have you accepted the fact that Antarctic Sea Ice Extent is currently trending above average?
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/s_plot_hires.png
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.anom.south.jpg
For those of you who don’t know Phil., he has a history of throwing out unsubstantiated refutations of valid arguments and then running away when he is proven wrong.
Phil, it took more than ten years before the Marshall and Warren hypothesis was generally accepted by the medical community.
Phil – yes of course – now he quotes Enting’s paper which supposedly “proves” that Plimer is so mistaken that it’s not worth opening Plimer’s book. Now I did both. I examined Plimer – great rollicking read, he’s an iconoclast, but the main drift is right IMO. If you don’t stop to examine Enting’s “debunks” carefully, Enting looks impressive – but they are all hair-splitting and/or relying on faulty AGW “science”. Enting is empty of any challenge of real value. My problem with Plimer is that his book feels a bit of a rush job. Far too few pics – a fantastic opportunity lost. But heck, he knows so much! and perhaps, he felt speed was essential and had to be weighed against likelihood of minor errors.
Warmists often suggest that climate skeptics must believe in a conspiracy in order to account for the prevailing scientific consensus on AGW. But these warmists presume that current science is working according to an out-dated and idealistic picture of a free market in ideas by disinterested and idealistic practitioners and gatekeepers, which is not how science functions nowadays. Nowadays, it is much more susceptible to fads, bureaucratic inertia, and groupthink than previously. Here are extracts from an article by a scientist and scientific administrator with inside knowledge of the dark side of science:
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Science in the 21st Century: Knowledge: Monopolies and Research Cartels
By HENRY H. BAUER
Professor Emeritus of Chemistry & Science Studies
Dean Emeritus of Arts & Sciences
Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University
Journal of Scientific Exploration, Vol. 18, No. 4, pp. 643–660, 2004
http://henryhbauer.homestead.com/21stCenturyScience.pdf
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Supposedly authoritative information about the most salient science-related matters has become dangerously misleading because of the power of bureaucracies that co-opt or control science.
Science as an Institution
Dysfunction and obsolescence begin to set in, unobtrusively but insidiously, from the very moment that an institution achieves pre-eminence. The leading illustration of this Parkinson’s Law (Parkinson, 1958) was the (British) Royal Navy. Having come to rule the seas, the Navy slowly succumbed to bureaucratic bloat. The ratio of administrators to operators rose inexorably, and the Navy’s purpose, defense of the realm, became subordinate to the bureaucracy’s aim of serving itself. The changes came so gradually that it was decades before their effect became obvious.
Science attained hegemony in Western culture toward the end of the 19th century (Barzun, 2000: 606–607; Knight, 1986). This very success immediately sowed seeds of dysfunction: it spawned scientism, the delusive belief that science and only science could find proper answers to any and all questions that human beings might ponder. Other dysfunctions arrived later: funding through bureaucracies, commercialization, conflicts of interest. But the changes came so gradually that it was the latter stages of the 20th century before it became undeniable that things had gone seriously amiss.
It remains to be appreciated that 21st-century science is a different kind of thing than the ‘‘modern science’’ of the 17th through 20th centuries; there has been a ‘‘radical, irreversible, structural’’ ‘‘world-wide transformation in the way that science is organized and performed’’ (Ziman, 1994). Around 1950, Derek Price (1963/1986) discovered that modern science had grown exponentially, and he predicted that the character of science would change during the latter part of the 20th century as further such growth became impossible. One aspect of that change is that the scientific ethos no longer corresponds to the traditional ‘‘Mertonian’’ norms of disinterested skepticism and public sharing; it has become subordinate to corporate values. Mertonian norms made science reliable; the new ones described by Ziman (1994) do not.
Symptoms
One symptom of change, identifiable perhaps only in hindsight, was science’s failure, from about the middle of the 20th century on, to satisfy public curiosity about mysterious phenomena that arouse wide interest: psychic phenomena, UFOs, Loch Ness Monsters, Bigfoot. By contrast, a century earlier, prominent scientists had not hesitated to look into such mysteries as mediumship, which had aroused great public interest.
My claim here is not that UFOs or mediumship are phenomena whose substance belongs in the corpus of science; I am merely suggesting that when the public wants to know ‘‘What’s going on when people report UFOs?’’, the public deserves an informed response. It used to be taken for granted that the purpose of science was to seek the truth about all aspects of the natural world. That traditional purpose had been served by the Mertonian norms: Science disinterestedly and with appropriate skepticism coupled with originality seeks universally valid knowledge as a public good.
These norms imply that science is done by independent, self-motivated individuals. However, from about the middle of the 20th century and in certain situations, some mainstream organizations of science were behaving not as voluntary associations of independent individuals but as bureaucracies. Popular dissatisfaction with some of the consequences stimulated ‘‘New Age’’ movements. ….
A more widely noticed symptom was the marked increase in fraud and cheating by scientists. In 1981, the U. S. Congress held hearings prompted by public disclosure of scientific misconduct at 4 prominent research institutions. Then, science journalists Broad and Wade (1982) published their sweeping indictment, Betrayers of the Truth: Fraud and Deceit in the Halls of Science. It has become almost routine to read in the NIH Guide of researchers who admitted to fraud and were then barred from certain activities for some specified number of years. In 1989, the National Institutes of Health (NIH) established an Office of Scientific Integrity. So prevalent was dishonesty that the new academic specialty of ‘‘research ethics’’ came into being. Professional scientific organizations drafted or revised codes of ethics. Various groups, including government agencies, attempted to make prescriptive for researchers what had traditionally been taken for granted, namely, something like the Mertonian norms.
This epidemic of cheating in the latter part of the 20th century meant, clearly enough, that an increasing number of scientists were seeking to serve their personal interests instead of the public good of universal knowledge.
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Throughout the history of modern science, the chief safeguard of reliability was communal critiquing (Ziman, 2000). Science begins as hunches. Those that work out become pieces of frontier science. If competent peers think it worthy of attention, an item gets published in the primary research literature. If other researchers find it useful and accurate, eventually the knowledge gets into review articles and monographs and finally into textbooks. The history of science demonstrates that, sooner or later, most frontier science turns out to need modifying or to have been misleading or even entirely wrong. Science employs a knowledge filter that slowly separates the wheat from the chaff (Bauer, 1992: chapter 3; see Figure 1).
This filter works in proportion to the honesty and disinterestedness of peer reviewers and researchers. In the early days of modern science, before knowledge became highly specialized and compartmentalized, knowledge-seekers could effectively critique one another’s claims across the board. Later and for a time, there were enough people working independently on a given topic that competent, disinterested critiques could often be obtained. Since about the middle of the 20th century, however, the costs of research and the need for teams of cooperating specialists have made it increasingly difficult to find reviewers who are both directly knowledgeable and also disinterested; truly informed people are effectively either colleagues or competitors. Correspondingly, reports from the big science bureaucracies do not have the benefit of independent review before being issued.
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Causes
Price (1963/1986) saw the exploding costs of research after WWII as a likely mechanism for bringing to an end the era of exponentially growing science. The mentioned symptoms may indeed be traced to the escalating costs of research and the continuing expansion of the number of would-be researchers without a proportionate increase in available funds. The stakes became very high. Researchers had to compete more and more vigorously, which tended to mean more unscrupulously. The temptation became greater to accept and solicit funds and patrons while ignoring tangible or moral attached strings.
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Unrealistic expectations coupled with misunderstanding of how science works led to the unstated presumption that good science could be expanded and accelerated by recruiting more scientists. Instead, of course, the massive infusion of government funds since WWII had inevitably deleterious consequences. More researchers translate into less excellence and more mediocrity. Journeymen peer-reviewers tend to stifle rather than encourage creativity and genuine innovation. Centralized funding and centralized decision-making make science more bureaucratic and less an activity of independent, self-motivated truth-seekers. Science attracts careerists instead of curiosity-driven idealists. Universities and individuals are encouraged to view scientific research as a cash cow to bring in money as ‘‘indirect costs’’ for all sorts of purposes, instead of seeking needed funds for doing good science. The measure of scientific achievement becomes the amount of ‘‘research support’’ brought in, not the production of useful knowledge.
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Knowledge Monopolies and Research Cartels
Skepticism toward research claims is absolutely necessary to safeguard reliability. In corporate settings, where results are expected to meet corporate goals, criticism may be brushed off as disloyalty, and skepticism is thereby suppressed. As Ziman (1994) pointed out, the Mertonian norms of ‘‘academic’’ science have been replaced by norms suited to a proprietary, patent- and profit-seeking environment in which researchers feel answerable not to a universally valid standard of trustworthy knowledge but to local managers. A similar effect, the suppression of skepticism, results from the funding of science and the dissemination of results by or through non-profit bureaucracies such as the NIH or agencies of the United Nations.
While the changes in the circumstances of scientific activity were quite gradual for 2 or 3 centuries, they have now cumulated into a change in kind. Corporate science, Big Science, is a different kind of thing than academic science, and society needs to deal with it differently. Large institutional bureaucracies now dominate the public face of science. Long-standing patrons—private foundations like Rockefeller and Ford, charitable organizations like the American Heart Association and the American Cancer Society—have been joined and dwarfed by government bureaucracies like the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the NIH, and the National Science Foundation, which, in turn, are being overshadowed by international bodies like the World Bank and various agencies of the United Nations—the World Health Organization, the Food and Agricultural Organization, UNAIDS, and more. Statements, press releases, and formal reports from these bodies often purport to convey scientific information, but in reality these releases are best viewed as propaganda designed to serve the corporate interests of the bureaucracies that issue them.
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The upshot is that policy makers and the public generally do not realize that there is doubt about, indeed evidence against, some theories almost universally viewed as true, about issues of enormous public import: global warming; healthy diet, heart-disease risk-factors, and appropriate medication; HIV/AIDS; gene therapy; stem cells; and more.
‘‘Everyone knows’’ that promiscuous burning of fossil fuels is warming up global climates. Everyone does not know that competent experts dispute this and that official predictions are based on tentative data fed into computer models whose validity could be known only many decades hence (Crichton, 2003).
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What ‘‘everyone knows’’ about the science related to major public issues, then, often fails to reflect the actual state of scientific knowledge. In effect, there exist knowledge monopolies composed of international and national bureaucracies. Since those same organizations play a large role in the funding of research as well as in the promulgation of findings, these monopolies are at the same time research cartels. Minority views are not published in widely read periodicals, and unorthodox work is not supported by the main funding organizations. Instead of disinterested peer review, mainstream insiders insist on their point of view in order to perpetuate their prestige and privileged positions. That is the case even on so academic a matter as the Big-Bang theory of the universe’s origin.
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It is not that knowledge monopolies are able to exercise absolute censorship. Contrary views are expressed, but one must know where to look for them; so one must already have some reason to make the effort. That constitutes a vicious circle. Moreover, the contrarian view will often seem a priori unreliable or politically partisan, as already noted. Altogether, people exposed chiefly to mainstream media will likely never suspect—will have no reason to suspect—that there could exist a credible case different from the officially accepted one.
The conventional wisdom about these matters is continually reinforced by publicly broadcast snippets that underscore the official dogma. What other reason might there be to publicize, for example, the guesstimate that global warming will cause an increase in asthma attacks (Daily Telegraph, 2004)? This is just another ‘‘fact’’ to convince us that we must curb the use of coal, gas, and oil.
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Reform?
The ills of contemporary science—commercialization, fraud, untrustworthy public information—are plausibly symptoms of the crisis, foreseen by Derek Price (1963/1986), as the era of exponentially growing modern science comes to an end. Science in the 21st century will be a different animal from the so-called ‘‘modern science’’ of the 17th to 20th centuries. The question is not whether to reform the science we knew, but whether society can arrange the corporate, commercialized science of the future so that it can continue to expand the range of trustworthy knowledge. Ziman (1994: 276) points out that any research organization requires ‘‘generous measures’’ of
_ room for personal initiative and creativity;
_ time for ideas to grow to maturity;
_ openness to debate and criticism;
_ hospitality toward novelty;
_ respect for specialized expertise.
These describe a free intellectual market in which independent thinkers interact, and there may be a viable analogy with economic life. Economic free markets are supposed to be efficient and socially useful because the mutually competitive ventures of independent entrepreneurs are self-corrected by an ‘‘invisible hand’’ that regulates supply to demand; competition needs to be protected against monopolies that exploit rather than serve society. So, too, the scientific free market in which peer review acts as an invisible hand (Harnad, 2000) needs to be protected from knowledge monopolies and research cartels. Anti-trust actions are called for.
Where public funds are concerned, legislation might help. When government agencies support research or development ventures, they might be required to allocate, say, 10% of the total to competent people of past achievement who hold contrarian views.
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It should also be legislated that scientific advisory panels and grant-reviewing arrangements include representatives of views that differ from the mainstream.
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Where legislation is being considered about public policy that involves scientific issues, a Science Court might be established to arbitrate between mainstream and variant views, something discussed in the 1960s but never acted upon.
Ombudsman offices might be established by journals, consortia of journals, private foundations, and government agencies to investigate charges of misleading claims, unwarranted publication, unsound interpretation, and the like. The existence of such offices could also provide assistance and protection for whistle-blowers.
Sorely needed is vigorously investigative science journalism, so that propaganda from the knowledge bureaucracies is not automatically passed on. To make this possible, the media need to know about and have access to the whole spectrum of scientific opinion on the given issue. The suggestions made above would all provide a measure of help along that line. A constant dilemma for reporters is that they need access to sources, and if they publish material that casts doubt on the official view, they risk losing access to official sources.
Scott, my point is not to test the whole lot but to provide some sort of verification of the forcing as used in models at a mesoscopic scale. All CGMs use a layered model of the atmosphere where they work out the radiation in and out based on what gets reflected back and what passes through. A lot of the ‘physics’ is parameterization (a lot of which is due to computation limitations). However a simple model can be constructed and compared to experiment which would still include all the physics. This would bound the range of parameterization which would then lead to the models better representing reality. As a minimum experimentation would show that some key statements about AGW namely CO2 forcing is a real effect rather than a conjectured effect. Remember that the atmosphere relies on radiative-convective coupling as one of the processes in transfering heat from the surface. Coupling processes rarely mimic all the same behaviours as the individual components. So the measured IR absorption of CO2 may not be the same when coupled with differing amounts of water vapour.
This marrying of experimentation to parts of the modelling process is standard technique in material science and plasma physics (using PIC codes for example to compare to measured plasma parameters). The bottom line is that you cannot state errors and accuracies for models if you haven’t provided evidence of the processes going on at some scale. And you can’t broadbrush the physics and say that AGW is obvious as the planet is heating up. Not after 20 years.
Thank you Lucy Skywalker (12:25:35) for the “real data”. That must have taken some time to assemble, but it is greatly appreciated.
Seconded – nice work Lucy.
Please can I suggest you put a paragraph up on the page referencing the actual data sources as well as the link to “What the Stations Say”?
Paul Manner, MD (10:09:22) :
“There is no such thing as consensus science. If it’s consensus, it isn’t science. If it’s science, it isn’t consensus. Period. ”
Well said!! Mandia doesn’t seem to understand or accept this as the fundamental basis of science.
Re: Lucy Skywalker (12:25:35)
Thanks for this:
http://www.greenworldtrust.org.uk/Science/Scientific/Arctic.htm
I also spent a fair amount of time updating these graphs (& others of Daly’s for other regions) using the following website (which a contributor pointed out in a recent, related thread):
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/station_data/
The site is easy to use. You just click a location on the map to get a list of nearby stations. You can then recentre the list (geographically) by clicking the asterisk beside a station-name.
One cautionary note: The time-frame and aspect-ratio of the timeplots can be manipulated to create the illusion of a steep trend in recent years. If people present such plots as ‘proof of CO2 impact’, they’re not showing much respect for natural variation, nor are they showing much care in their pursuit of ‘truth’. I taught stats for years and I assure you people struggle with the concept of confounding. A fairly substantial proportion of even the university-educated population seems almost hard-wired to not be capable of retaining whatever they learned about lurking variables & confounding in Stat 101.
Scott A. Mandia (11:47:39) :
There is no need for an “alternate Earth.” The planet we are on shows exactly what happens to the temperature when there is a large increase in CO2:
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I have plenty more if you like. But these are enough to tell the story of what’s happening in the climate, with regard to increases in the very minor trace gas CO2.
Planet Earth herself is falsifying the CO2=AGW conjecture. Skeptics tend to listen to what the planet is clearly telling us, rather than believing those with a vested financial interest in promoting their pet AGW conjecture.
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Paul Manner, MD (10:09:22) :
“There is no such thing as consensus science. If it’s consensus, it isn’t science. If it’s science, it isn’t consensus. Period. ”
Well said!! Mandia doesn’t seem to understand or accept this as the fundamental basis of science.”
I second that. What I do find hard understanding is if Mandia passed courses in Theories of Science at all. It simply doesn’t seem that way in his ‘argumentation’……
Peter (13:17:11) :
Phil, it took more than ten years before the Marshall and Warren hypothesis was generally accepted by the medical community.
Exactly that’s when the patents expired (1994) as I said, the World Congress of Gastroenterology recommended eradicating H. pylori to cure duodenal ulcers in 1990. The results of Marshall’s self-induced infection were published in 1985. Ten years after their letters to Lancet the WHO International Agency for Research on Cancer declared H. pylori a Group 1 carcinogen.
For those who are bashing the concept of “scientific consensus,” what is your counterproposal of how to gauge the current state of the science in order to have science inform public policy? (And no, “Look at the empirical data…” or some other such thing is not the answer. The way we look at and interpret the data is through the scientific process.)
Basically, as near as I can tell, those who are arguing against the idea of consensus seem to implicitly be saying, “If the scientific consensus agrees with my biases / preconceptions, we go with it; if it doesn’t, then that consensus is likely wrong and we go with my biases / preconceptions.”