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It has been an even more entertaining than usual couple of days in the alarmosphere. I’d been traveling the last week, doing TV station work and station surveys. While on the road I discovered through an email that I was the subject of a YouTube Video called “Climate Crock of the Week”.

The video was about my surfacestations.org project and was titled “What’s up with Watts?”. It was sad and funny at the same time, and as is typically the case with our old friends it was directed at me personally, far more than it tried substance. Equally typically, and sadly, what substance it tried turned out to be wrong. I continued on my travels, my friend Dr. Roger Pielke Sr. posted an opinion on it last week to address some of the issues.

Little did I know bizarro land awaited upon my return home.

Sitting down Saturday night, to watch the video again, detecting through its exquisite subtleties and nuance, I couldn’t help but laugh, because once again I noticed that everything reported in it was just wrong.

In fact, it probably was the worst job of fact-finding I had ever seen, which as WUWT readers know, is a bold assessment. I’ve been involved in broadcast TV news for 25 years, and have seen some really bad work from greenhorns fresh out of reporters school. This video reminded me of those. It was as if whoever put it together had never researched it, but just strung together a bunch of graphics, video, photos, and a monotone voice-over track with ad hominems liberally sprinkled for seasoning. I figured it was probably just an overzealous college student out to save the world and this was some college project. It had that air of  radical burningman quality about it.

Curiosity piqued, I inquired into just who is this climate Solon? To my surprise, he turned out to be an “independent film producer” working out of his house in Midland, MI under the name “Greenman Studio”, one Peter Sinclair, a proud graduate of Al Gore’s Climate Camp. I still figured him to be a kid and imagined his mom was yelling down into the basement “Peter that’s too loud, turn it down!”.

I also wondered if it was the same “Green Man” that had once prompted surfacestations volunteer Gary Boden to create this nifty patch:

mercury_monkey_station.jpg

This came about because my now defunct local “Alternate Weekly” had a ghost writer named “green man” who penned an unintentionally (I think) hilarious editorial about me and the www.surfacestations.org project back in 2007 in which he wrote the famous line:

“The Reverend Anthony WTF Watts and his screeching mercury monkeys…”

…in response to our daring to survey the weather stations nationwide. The “mercury” is reference to thermometers.

What was funny is that in my original story, one of my commenters posted a silly comment about well, “green stuff” and the editor of the local “Alternate Weekly” went ballistic and demanded I remove it  and gave me a stern lecture on libel. I was happy to comply not out of legal obligation but courtesy and deleted the comment.

Is this Green Man the same guy? Inquiring minds want to know.

OK back to the present. I checked my email for some correspondence from Mr. Sinclair for the past week and found none, and looked back even further to see if he had contacted me about the surfacestations project weeks before in email or in my letters pile. I found nothing and was surprised that he had made a video using my work without at least a basic request or notice.  Normally when somebody wants to publish something in another media type (that is not a blog or webpage) from the surfacestations project or my blog, they contact me and ask permission to use the items. The word normal, however, upon scrutiny really doesn’t apply here.

I’ve gotten dozens of such requests from magazines, newsletters, book publishers, and TV stations. So far, I’ve never said no to any request for such materials or copyright waivers. I’ve filled out lots of forms granting my copyright waiver for the legally skittish that need more than an email or “sure, go ahead” over the phone.

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But, in the video Mr. Sinclair produced and posted on YouTube, I noticed that he did in fact use photographs and graphics from my published book “Is The U.S. Surface Temperature Record Reliable?”.  I hold the copyright on this book. The notice for copyright is in the inside front cover.  © 2009 Surfacestations.org  All rights reserved, including the right to reproduce this report or portions thereof in any form.  ISBN 13: 978-1-934791-29-5  and ISBN 10: 1-934791-26-6.

There was also a Warner Brothers video clip from the movie “Anchorman” with a segment about the incompetent TV weatherman which I assume was added to portray me in my chosen career, and amazingly (and most amusingly) there was another video clip from the movie “The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai” which is a campy sendup of “War of the Worlds”. Interestingly in  the credits, and I know this because I happened to watch the movie about two weeks before on Showtime, there is a “John Van Vliet” listed in the credits. It made me wonder if it is the same John Van Vliet that created the “opentemp” program launched just a couple of months after I first started the surfacestations project in an attempt to derail it early on. He made the mistake of using incomplete data. More on incomplete data later.

I noted that neither clip was from the trailers you could find on YouTube and were of high quality, so maybe they were cribbed from a DVD or perhaps an Apple video download, since I recognized from the editing effects that Mr. Sinclair owns a Macintosh. WB has some pretty stringent clip licensing requirements, which I know from doing TV news and a reporter wanting once to use part of a film from WB in a special news report. WB wanted our TV station to pay, but the cost was sky high for our small TV station. They finally whittled it down to something we could afford.

Doing a little more research, I found that Mr. Sinclair does a series of animated online greeting cards, which you can see here: http://www.care2.com/ecards/bio/1023

I thought this one was funny: http://www.care2.com/send/card/0840

The description portrayed him as a pretty nice guy with an alternate minded view of the world like a lot of college students have. He is not a college student, though he has a son who is of college age, a nice Ron Paul supporter, I am told from someone who has met him. His rather conservative son, contrasts the rather left-wing eco-activist ad hominem and rhetorically unrestrained father(see here). It is almost humorous greeting card-worthy, this role reversal.

But since he had used that © symbol, Mr. Sinclair demonstrated awareness of copyright protections, having availed himself of them, e.g., here, right below his own artwork.

With knowledge of this and ad hominem attacks made on me personally, I reasonably presumed his copyright violation on my part was likely intentional. I also figured that this might be a teachable moment, as I was still thinking this is a kid just out of college since there seems to be no business website for Greenman studio in operation yet, it is still “under construction”.

http://www.greenmanstudio.com/

And, I mused, by bringing the copyright issue to his attention, I’d probably be doing him a favor, since I surmised he’d be at risk for using the film clips. I figured anybody working a business out of a house without an operating web page probably can’t afford licensing fees. No deep pockets there. I certainly have no personal beef with Mr. Sinclair, it is just the copyright issue.

But my copyright had been ignored, with evidence that Mr. Sinclair as a publisher himself using the © symbol understands copyrights, and WB’s copyright also looked like it also had been ignored. And well, lets face it, he got the facts wrong about the project and never contacted or interviewed me to get any facts from my side (more on that later). So it could hardly be defined as “journalism” and the protections that such enterprise affords for “fair use”. So I filled out the form for copyright issues on YouTube, and pressed enter.

What I expected to happen is that I’d get an angry email or blog comment from the guy, I’d suggest to him (privately) to make a couple of modifications, grant him a copyright for the factual graphics from the surfacestations project, and tell him to put his video back up on the web. End of story, lesson learned.

What I didn’t expect was the alarmosphere going into berserk overdrive.

After all, this was not yet a “weekday” which it increasingly seems to be what we call those periods when our friends lapse into said mode. It turns out that YouTube put my name and the surfacestations.org URL up on the video pane for the former video, made me a target for hatred by the “scream first, ask questions later” types.

The first hint of this started on Sunday when I got a comment on my blog. The commenter, who obviously didn’t know the difference between copyright law and constitutional law wanted to know why I had “denied free speech” to Mr. Sinclair. Of course, “free speech” protections involve state infringement and,as powerful as our friends do apparently believe I have become, neither am I the state nor was the state involved here, so the angst was yet again rather misplaced. Regardless, I also thought this a pretty odd comment. Since Mr. Sinclair still hadn’t contacted me, I paid no attention to it.

Then I began receiving more odd comments, and I’m thinking; “why are these people making a private copyright dispute their personal business?”

Here’s sampling of  a  few comments I got that never made WUWT:

“Watts you are a coward chickesh** no good dumba** weatherman hiding behind a law that you’ve irrationally applied”

“You can’t handle the TRUTH, if I were Jack Nicholson I’d kick your a**”

“Wattsup, you and your stupid picture book project are toast!”

I even got comments from “Omar” in Finland:

“Looks like your attempt to smother and censor information has fired back badly on you Mr Watts: Do you have – how you say – the cahones to explain yourself? I think not. You appear to be a child coward man.”

Censoring huh? And around the alarmosphere all sorts of curious accusations of censorship — again, with the long arm of the state nowhere to be found, this seemed to be a variant of the Tim Robbins (see also “paranoid” and “uncomprehending”) School of Crying “Censorship”. Even more bizarre, were the demands. On the “DeSmog Blog”, Kevin Grandia lambasted me for not knowing anything about law, and then demanded I email him and explain myself and my reasons for filing a copyright complaint. I’m no lawyer, but clearly giving details of a dispute to an angry third party not involved isn’t right up there with sound legal advice.

Still apparently confused that his dispute lay not with me but with YouTube or the concepts of intellectual property, when that didn’t get the required response, Mr. Grandia posted another angry column over on the Huffington Post, and made the same demand. He’s wondering why I haven’t responded directly to him.

Really.

But being that guardian of smoggy freedom, Mr. Grandia took it a step further, and, in a rather ironic follow-up to his seizing of the mantle of all that conforms to the laws, somehow located the original YouTube video and reposted it to YouTube under the “DeSmog Blog” label:

You can watch it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_0-gX7aUKk

So much for my “censorship”, feel free to view it. You see, I’ve had lots of angry criticism in the last two years, this is nothing new, so I’m not really concerned about the criticisms.

When viewing, note the graph from NCDC in the video which “proves” my surfacestations project is (choose your own derogatory word). More on that momentarily.

The alarmosphere was reaching a tipping point. I knew it was only a matter of time before somebody would blog the coup de grace, and yet; I still haven’t heard from Mr. Sinclair so I could tell him about what I’d like changed.

OK. But if Mr. Sinclair had contacted me (like a journalist would) before he made his video, instead of simply reading the NCDC Talking points memo (revised version seen here, PDF) he could have found out a few things, such as:

  • NCDC used an old outdated version of my data set (April 2008) they found on my website and assumed it was “current”. Big mistake on their part. Big admission of not overly concerning himself with first-hand knowledge, or even substance, on his part.
  • NCDC did not contact me about use of the data. The data, BTW is not yet public domain, though I plan to make it so after I’ve published my paper. So like Mr. Sinclair, technically they are also in violation of copyright. Surfacestations is a private project, I emphasize, what with the public-private concept being one of the major precipitors of the alarmosphere’s angst.
  • That data NCDC found had not been quality controlled, many of the ratings changed after quality control was applied, thus changing the outcome.
  • When notified of this, they did nothing to deal with the issue, such as notifying readers.
  • NCDC published no methodology, data or formula used, or show work of any kind that would normally be required in a scientific paper.
  • The author is missing from the document thus it was published anonymously. Apparently nobody at NCDC would put his or her name on it.
  • When notified of the fact that the author’s name Thomas C. Peterson (of NCDC) was embedded in the properties of the PDF document (which happens on registration of the Adobe Acrobat program, causing insertion in all output), NCDC’s only response was to remove the author’s name from the document and place it back online. It is odd behavior for a scientist to publish work but not put your name on it.
  • NCDC got the number of USHCN stations wrong in their original document document graph, citing 1228 when it is actually 1218 I notified them of this and they eventually fixed it.
  • That NCDC original document did not even cite my published work,  or even use my name to credit me. I have the original which you can view here Note also the name in the document properties and the number of USHCN2 stations above the graph.

I’m regularly lambasted for publishing things here that are not “peer reviewed”. But, when NCDC does it, and does it unbelievably badly, not only is the “talking points memo” embraced by the alarmosphere as “truth” and “falsification”, but NOT ONE of those embracing it show the remotest interest in questioning why it fails to meet even the basic standards for a letter to the editor of a local newspaper.

My own local paper wouldn’t publish a letter or memo where the author is not identified. Yet an anonymous NCDC memo the author won’t even own up to is considered “climate truth”.

Students of the alarmists may have noticed some time ago, how the burden of proof and quality of publication shifts when the other side of the aisle is doing the talking.  In fact, nobody who has jumped into the fray has asked me any questions, yet take as accurate our gift-card designer cum climate scientist Mr. Sinclair at his word, without asking me a single question.

I guess it doesn’t matter now, The Good Ship Teachable Moment has sailed, now that “Big Smog” has stepped in as the defender of freedom. I think Mr. Grandia is hoping that I’ll file a copyright complaint against him.

But here is the kicker. Once you sort through all the ad homs in the video, you find the nugget. It involves that graph that Mr. Sinclair cites from the NCDC Talking Points Memo. If he had asked, he would have found out that it has some pretty embarrassing flaws.

Figure 1. From the NCDC Talking Points Memo.

As referenced in the text of the NCDC  Talking Points Memo, the Figure1 graph compares two homogenized data sets, and demonstrates an uncanny correlation. Here is what they say:

Two national time series were made using the same homogeneity adjusted data set and the same gridding and area averaging technique used by NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center for its annual climate monitoring.

Seems reasonable, until you understand what “homgenization” really is.

What’s “homogenization” you say? Some kind of dairy product treatment?

Well no, not quite. It is data that has been put through a series of processes that render it so the end result is like comparing the temperature between several bowls of water that have been mixed together, then poured back into the original bowls and the temperature measured of each. What you get is an end temperature for each bowl that is a mixture of the other nearby bowl temperatures.

Here’s another way that is more visual. Think of it like measuring water pollution. Here’s a simple visual table of CRN station quality ratings (as used in my book) and what they might look like as water pollution turbidity levels, rated as 1 to 5 from best to worst turbidity:

CRN1-bowlCRN2-bowlCRN3-bowl

CRN4-bowlCRN5-bowl

In homgenization the data is weighted against the nearby neighbors within a radius. And so a station the might start out as a “1” data wise, might end up getting polluted with the data of nearby stations and end up as as new value, say weighted at “2.5”. Our contributing author John Goetz explains how even single stations can affect many many other stations in the GISS and NOAA data homogenization methods carried out on US surface temperature data here and here.

bowls-USmap

In the map above, applying a homogenization smoothing, weighting  stations by distance nearby the stations with question marks, what would you imagine the values (of turbidity) of them would be? And, how close would these two values be for the east coast station in question and the west coast station in question? Each would be closer to a smoothed center average value based on the neighboring stations. Of course this isn’t the actual method, just a visual analogy.

So, essentially, NCDC’s graph is comparing homogenized data to homogenized data, and thus there would not likely be any large difference between “good” and “bad” stations. All the differences have been smoothed out by homogenization  pollution from neighboring stations!

The best way to compare the effect of siting between groups of stations is to use the “raw” data, before it has passed through the multitude of adjustments that NCDC does. Admittedly, raw data can have its own problems, but there are ways my friends and I at the Pielke research team can make valid station trend comparisons without making numerical adjustments to the actual data raw data.

And finally for those who say “Watts doesn’t want you to see this video” or “he fears the science”, I direct you to this WUWT entry, dated June 26th, 2009:

NCDC writes ghost “talking points” rebuttal to surfacestations project

I was the first one to report on the NCDC Talking Points Memo. Fearing science, video and all that, I chose to publicly blog on a subject critical and even damaging to my own research, knowing full well others would pick it up, including those who would not treat this even-handedness kindly.

The document is an internal memo for NOAA. It didn’t get wide attention after it was first published on June 9th, in fact I don’t think it got any attention at all.

Without my pulling it out of internal memo obscurity and discussing it on WUWT, Dr. Pielke likely wouldn’t have commented on it, McIntyre wouldn’t have written about ittwice, and thus from all the pickups from those articles, Mr. Sinclair probably wouldn’t have ever seen it. Surely there would not be this delightfully entertaining, rather revealing, and grade school caliber commentary had I not sought to publish it to a wide audience.

But that’s OK. The result is not something I fear, even if my final analysis shows the USA trends are unaffected. There are other things we know and will learn that are of significance.

In fact I’ve had some very positive things come out of this, both on the media and scientific side. Some offers and ideas have been floated.

But that’s a story that will have to wait. Maybe Mr. Grandia will place an online demand for it. Stay tuned. They rarely disappoint.

Oh, and I got to “meet” Mr. Sinclair, the father of a college-age kid though not quite  the young college kid I expected:

On Climate, Comedy, Copyrights, and CinematographyThe good news: there’s new and exciting opportunities opening themselves to us.The bad news; some people are hilariously unquestioning.

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It has been an even more entertaining than usual couple of days in the alarmosphere. I’d been traveling the last week, doing TV station work and station surveys. While on the road I discovered through an email that I was the subject of a YouTube Video called “Climate Crock of the Week”.

The video was about my surfacestations.org project and was titled “What’s up with Watts?”. It was sad and funny at the same time, and as is typically the case with our old friends it was directed at me personally, far more than it tried substance. Equally typically, and sadly, what substance it tried turned out to be wrong. I continued on my travels, My friend Dr. Roger Pielke Sr. posted an opinion on it last week to address some of the issues.

Little did I know bizarro land awaited upon my return home.

Sitting down Saturday night, to watch the video again detecting through its exquisite subtleties and nuance. I couldn’t help but laugh, because once again I noticed that everything reported in it was just wrong.

In fact, it probably was the worst job of fact-finding I had ever seen, which as WUWT readers know, is a bold assessment. I’ve been involved in broadcast TV news for 25 years, and have seen some really bad work from greenhorns fresh out of reporters school. This video reminded me of those. It was if whoever put it together had never researched it, but just strung together a bunch of graphics, video, photos, and the most monotone Pat Paulsen narration I’d ever heard. I figured it was probably just an overzealous college student out to save the world and this was some college project. It had that air of  radical burningman quality about it.

Curiosity piqued, I inquired into just who is this climate Solon? To my surprise, he turned out to be an “independent film producer” working out of his house in Midland, MI under the name “Greenman Studio”, one Peter Sinclair, a proud graduate of Al Gore’s Climate Camp. I still figured him to be a kid and imagined his mom was yelling down into the basement “Peter that’s too loud, turn it down!”.

I also wondered if it was the same “Green Man” that had once prompted surfacestations volunteer Gary Boden to create this nifty patch:

mercury_monkey_station.jpg

This came about because my now defunct local “Alternate Weekly” had a ghost writer named “green man” who penned and unintentionally (I think) editorial about me and the www.surfacestations.org project back in 2007 in which he wrote the famous line:

“The Reverend Anthony WTF Watts and his screeching mercury monkeys…”

…in response to our daring to survey the weather stations nationwide.

What was funny is that in my original story, one of my commenters posted a funny comment about well, “green stuff” and the editor of the local “Alternate Weekly” went ballistic and demanded I remove it  and gave me a stern lecture on libel. I was happy to comply not out of legal obligation but courtesy and deleted the comment.

Is this Green Man the same guy? Inquiring minds want to know.

OK back to the present. I checked my email for some correspondence from Mr. Sinclair for the past week and found none, and looked back even further to see if he had contacted me about the surfacestations project weeks before in email or in my letters pile. I found nothing and was surprised that he had made a video using my work without at least a basic request or notice.  Normally when somebody wants to publish something in another media type (that is not a blog or webpage) from the surfacestations project or my blog, they contact me and ask permission to use the items. The word normal, however, upon scrutiny really doesn’t apply here.

I’ve gotten dozens of such requests from magazines, newsletters, book publishers, and TV stations. So far, I’ve never said no to any request for such materials or copyright waivers. I’ve filled out lots of forms granting my copyright waiver for the legally skittish that need more than an email or “sure, go ahead” over the phone.

But, in the video Mr. Sinclair produced and posted on YouTube, I noticed that he did in fact use photographs and graphics from my published book “Is The U.S. Surface Temperature Record Reliable?”.  I hold the copyright on this book. The notice for copyright is in the inside front cover.  © 2009 Surfacestations.org  All rights reserved, including the right to reproduce this report or portions thereof in any form.  ISBN 13: 978-1-934791-29-5  and ISBN 10: 1-934791-26-6.

There was also a Warner Brothers video clip from the movie “Anchorman” with a segment about the incompetent TV weatherman which I assume was added to portray me in my chosen career, and amazingly (and most amusingly) there was another video clip from the movie “The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai” which is a campy sendup of “War of the Worlds”. Interestingly in  the credits, and I know this because I happened to watch the movie about two weeks before on Showtime, there is a “John Van Vliet” listed in the credits. It made me wonder if it is the same John Van Vliet that created the “opentemp” program launched just a couple of months after I first started the surfacestations project in an attempt to derail it early on. He made the mistake of using incomplete data. More on incomplete data later.

I noted that neither clip was from the trailers you could find on YouTube and were of high quality, so maybe they were cribbed from a DVD or perhaps an Apple video download, since I recognized from the editing effects that Mr. Sinclair owns a Macintosh. WB has some pretty stringent clip licensing requirements, which I know from doing TV news and a reporter wanting once to use part of a film from WB in a special news report. WB wanted our TV station to pay, but the cost was sky high for our small TV station. They finally whittled it down to something we could afford.

Doing a little more research, I found that Mr. Sinclair does a series of animated online greeting cards, which you can see here:

http://www.care2.com/ecards/bio/1023

I thought this one was pretty funny: http://www.care2.com/send/card/0840

The description portrayed him as a pretty nice guy with an alternate minded view of the world like a lot of college students have. He is not a college student, though he has a son who is of college age, a nice Ron Paul supporter, I am told from someone who has met him. His rather conservative son, contrasts the rather left-wing eco-activist ad hominem and rhetorically unrestrained father(see here). It is almost humorous greeting card-worthy, this role reversal.

But since he had used that © symbol, Mr. Sinclair demonstrated awareness of copyright protections, having availed himself of them, e.g., here, right below his own artwork.  With knowledge of this and ad hominem attacks made on me personally, I reasonably presumed his copyright violation on my part was likely intentional. I also figured that this might be a teachable moment, as I was still thinking this is a kid just out of college since there seems to be no business website for Greenman studio in operation yet, it is still “under construction”.

http://www.greenmanstudio.com/

And, I mused, by bringing the copyright issue to his attention, I’d probably be doing him a favor, since I surmised he’d be at risk for using the film clips. I figured anybody working a business out of a house without an operating web page probably can’t afford licensing fees. No deep pockets there. I certainly have no personal beef with Mr. Sinclair, it is just the copyright issue.

But my copyright had been ignored, with evidence that Mr. Sinclair as a publisher himself using the © symbol understands copyrights, and WB’s copyright also looked like it also had been ignored. And well, lets face it, he got the facts wrong about the project and never contacted or interviewed me to get any facts from my side (more on that later). So it could hardly be defined as “journalism” and the protections that such enterprise affords for “fair use”. So I filled out the form for copyright issues on YouTube, and pressed enter.

What I expected to happen is that I’d get an angry email or blog comment from the guy, I’d suggest to him (privately) to make a couple of modifications, grant him a copyright for the factual graphics from the surfacestations project, and tell him to put his video back up on the web. End of story, lesson learned.

What I didn’t expect was the alarmosphere going into berserk overdrive. After all, this was not yet a “weekday” which it increasingly seems to be what we call those periods when our friends lapse into said mode. It turns out that YouTube put my name and the surfacestations.org URL up on the video pane for the former video, made me a target for hatred by the “scream first, ask questions later” types.

The first hint of this started on Sunday when I got a comment on my blog. The commenter, who obviously didn’t know the difference between copyright law and constitutional law wanted to know why I had “denied free speech” to Mr. Sinclair. Of course, “free speech” protections involve state infringement and,as powerful as our friends do apparently believe I have become, neither am I the state nor was the state involved here, so the angst was yet again rather misplaced. Regardless, I also thought it this a pretty odd comment, since Mr. Sinclair still hadn’t contacted me, and I paid no attention to it.

Then I began receiving more odd comments, and I’m thinking; “why are these people making a private copyright dispute their personal business?”

Here’s sampling of  a  few comments I got that never made WUWT:

“Watts you are a coward chickesh** no good dumba** weatherman hiding behind a law that you’ve irrationally applied”

“You can’t handle the TRUTH, if I were Jack Nicholson I’d kick your a**”

“Wattsup, you and your stupid picture book project are toast!”

I even got comments from “Omar” in Finland:

“Looks like your attempt to smother and censor information has fired back badly on you Mr Watts: Do you have – how you say – the cahones to explain yourself? I think not. You appear to be a child coward man.”

And around the alarmosphere all sorts of curious accusations of censorship — again, with the long arm of the state nowhere to be found, this seemed to be a variant of the Tim Robbins (see also “paranoid” and “uncomprehending”) School of Crying “Censorship”. Even more bizarre, were the demands. On the “DeSmog Blog”, Kevin Grandia lambasted me for not knowing anything about law, and then demanded I email him and explain myself and my reasons for filing a copyright complaint. I’m no lawyer, but clearly giving details of a dispute to an angry third party not involved isn’t right up there with sound legal advice.

Still apparently confused that his dispute lay not with me but with YouTube or the concepts of intellectual property, when that didn’t get the required response, Mr. Grandia posted another angry column over on the Huffington Post, and made the same demand. He’s wondering why I haven’t responded directly to him.

Really.

But being that guardian of smoggy freedom, Mr. Grandia took it a step further, and, in a rather ironic follow-up to his seizing of the mantle of all that conforms to the laws, somehow located the original YouTube video and reposted it to YouTube under the “DeSmog Blog” label:

You can watch it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_0-gX7aUKk

Note the graph from NCDC in the video which “proves” my surfacestations project is (choose your own derogatory word). More on that momentarily.

The alarmosphere was reaching a tipping point. I knew it was only a matter of time before somebody would blog the coup de grace, and yet; I still haven’t heard from Mr. Sinclair so I could tell him about what I’d like changed.

OK Nut if Mr. Sinclair had contacted me (like a journalist would) before he made his video, instead of simply reading the NCDC Talking points memo (seen here, PDF) he could have found out a few things, such as:

  • NCDC used an old outdated version of my data set (April 2008) they found on my website and assumed it was “current”. Big mistake on their part. Big admission of not overly concerning himself with first-hand knowledge, or even substance, on his part.
  • NCDC did not contact me about use of the data. The data, BTW is not yet public domain, though I plan to make it so after I’ve published my paper. So like Mr. Sinclair, technically they are also in violation of copyright. Surfacestations is a private project, I emphasize, what with the public-private concept being one of the major precipitors of the alarmosphere’s angst.
  • That data NCDC found had not been quality controlled, many of the ratings changed after quality control was applied, thus changing the outcome.
  • When notified of this, they did nothing to deal with the issue, such as notifying readers.
  • NCDC published no methodology, data or formula used, or show work of any kind that would normally be required in a scientific paper.
  • The author is missing from the document thus it was published anonymously. Apparently nobody at NCDC would put his or her name on it.
  • When notified of the fact that the author’s name Thomas C. Peterson (of NCDC) was embedded in the properties of the PDF document (which happens on registration of the Adobe Acrobat program, causing insertion in all output), NCDC’s only response was to remove the author’s name from the document.
  • NCDC got the number of USHCN stations wrong in their original document document graph, citing 1228 when it is actually 1218 I notified them of this and they eventually fixed it.
  • That NCDC original document did not even cite my published work,  or even use my name to credit me. I have the original which you can view here Note also the name in the document properties and the number of USHCN2 stations above the graph.

I’m regularly lambasted for publishing things here that are not “peer reviewed”, but when NCDC does it, and does it unbelievably badly, not only is the “talking points memo” embraced by the alarmosphere as “truth” and “falsification”. Not ONE of those embracing it show the remotes interest in questioning why it fails to meet even the basic standards for a letter to the editor of a local newspaper. My own local paper wouldn’t publish a letter or memo where the author is not identified. Yet an anonymous memo the author won’t even own up to is considered climate truth.

Students of the alarmists may have noticed some time ago, how the burden of proof and quality of publication shifts when the other side of the aisle is doing the talking.  In fact nobody who has jumped into the foray has asked me any questions, yet take our gift-card designer cum climate scientist Mr. Sinclair at his word that what he reported, without asking me a single question, is accurate.

I guess it doesn’t matter now, The Good Ship Teachable Moment has sailed, now that “Big Smog” has stepped in as the defender of freedom. I think Mr. Grandia is hoping that I’ll file a copyright complaint against him.

But here is the kicker. It involves that graph that Mr. Sinclair cites from the NCDC Talking Points Memo. If he had asked, he would have found this out.

Figure 1. From Talking Points Memo.

As referenced in the text of the Talking Points Memo, the NCDC graph compares two homogenized data sets. What’s that you say? Some kind of dairy product?

Well no, not quite. It is data that has been put through a series of processes that render it

such that end result is like comparing the temperature of several bowls of water

[need work here and diagram to explain homgenization of data]

And finally for those who say “Watts doesn’t want you to see this video” or “he fears the science”, I direct you to this WUWT entry, dated June 26th, 2009:

NCDC writes ghost “talking points” rebuttal to surfacestations project

I was the first one to report on the NCDC Talking Points Memo. Fearing science, video and all that, I chose to publicly blog on a subject critical and even damaging to my own research, knowing full well others would pick it up, including those who would not treat this even-handedness kindly.

The document is an internal memo for NOAA. It didn’t get wide attention after it was first published on June 9th, in fact I don’t think it got any attention at all.

Without my pulling it out of internal memo obscurity and discussing it on WUWT, Pielke likely wouldn’t have commented on it, McIntyre wouldn’t have written about ittwice, and thus from all the pickups from those articles, Mr. Sinclair probably wouldn’t have ever seen it. Surely there would not be this delightfully entertaining, rather revealing, and grade school caliber commentary had I not sought to publish it to a wide audience.

But that’s OK. The result is not something I fear, even if it shows the trends are unaffected. There’s other things we know and will learn.

In fact I’ve had some very positive things come out of this both on the media and scientific side. Some offer and ideas have been floated.

But that’s a story that will have to wait. Maybe Mr. Grandia will place an online demand for it. Stay tuned. They rarely disappoint.

Oh, and I got to “meet” Mr. Sinclair, the father of a college-age kid though not quite the young college kid I expected:

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John W.
August 3, 2009 1:45 pm

AEGeneral (08:31:04) :
… How long before they photoshop Anthony’s picture in a Darth Vader helmet & call him Darth Watts? And the rest of us Storm Troopers?

If Anthony is the “Archdenier,” then clearly the rest of us are minions, mindlessly doing his bidding. 8^)
dorlomin (09:04:12) :

Cult? The AGW cult, is this not all about whining about ad hominems, I thought this was supposed to be full of people above that

Your point would be well taken, except for the fact that you lack the capacity to recognize that we are use the term “cult” as a description based on the behavior of AGW adherents, not as an insult. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult

Yuri Manchur (08:37:04) :
Dear Mr Watts,
You’ve been pawned.

New to the “interweb?” That’s “pwned,” as in “Yuri, you’ve pwned yourself!”
Luke (03:11:32) :
People like you, funded by conservative think tanks are not scientists.

I’ve told Exxon not to mail you a check this month. While the rest of us are enjoying CO2 laden adult beverages, courtesy of Big Oil, you can reflect on the cost of snark.

Editor
August 3, 2009 3:28 pm

Anthony
It appears that you’ve really stirred up the blogosphere. I count almost 25 attack blogs about you in the last week or so, with a similar number of blogs coming to your defense:
http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?as_q=&num=10&hl=en&client=firefox-a&c2coff=1&safe=active&scoring=d&ie=UTF-8&ctz=240&c2coff=1&btnG=Search+Blogs&as_epq=anthony+watts&as_oq=&as_eq=&bl_pt=&bl_bt=&bl_url=&bl_auth=&as_qdr=a&as_drrb=b&as_mind=1&as_minm=7&as_miny=2009&as_maxd=3&as_maxm=8&as_maxy=2009&lr=&safe=active
I think that this is all good news. The more the Warmists attack you, the more people will wonder about you and visit WUWT to find out more. Most people who wonder are just one article/thread away from being skeptics.
REPLY: It has been said that even negative publicity is valuable. I ;eave the decision to people who can get beyond the rhetoric. The ones mired in rhetoric and hate are lost to reason. – Anthony

DaveE
August 3, 2009 3:50 pm

Can a moderator check that the posting DaveE (20:45:06) : 08.02.09 came from this IP?
I’m pretty sure I wasn’t THAT inebriated
DaveE.

Paul Vaughan
August 3, 2009 6:03 pm

“Before 1976, ENSO events began along the west coast of South America ( TNI positive) and developed westwards. However, after 1977 the warming has developed from the west so that TNI with reversed sign prevailed some 3 to 12 months before the main peak in N34 and was followed by TNI itself some 3 to 12 months after the peak. Therefore, the evolution of ENSO events changed abruptly about 1976/77 [ Wang, 1995; An and Wang, 2000; Trenberth and Stepaniak, 2001].”
“Some nonlinear effects that come into play depend on whether the temperature anomalies occur over the ocean or land. Over the ocean, the magnitude of that surface temperature change is muted by the heat capacity of the underlying ocean […] Consequently, the net surface warming over land is typically much larger than an equivalent response over the ocean (Fig. 9) and this can influence the global mean temperature, although it is not equivalent to a net heat content anomaly.”
“the peak in N34 tends to occur about November to December and is phase locked to the annual cycle”
“The reasons why the change in evolution with the 1976/77 climate shift occurred are quite uncertain”
Trenberth, Kevin E.; Caron, Julie M.; Stepaniak, David P.; Worley, Steve (2002). Evolution of El Nino – Southern Oscillation and global atmospheric surface temperatures. Journal of Geophysical Research (Atmospheres), 107(D8), AAC5-1.
http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/papers/jgr2001b/jgr2.html

Berry R
August 3, 2009 8:55 pm

I’m amazed at how faith-based the response of the global warming crowd has been to the graph in the talking points. I haven’t seen anyone asking about methodology or questioning the frankly rather unbelievably close correspondence between the full station curve and the 70-odd station curve.
Anyone who has worked with data to any major extent would look at those curves and immediately wonder about the methodology. It could conceivably be right, but it’s at least as likely to be produced by a common quirk in the methodology that produced the two curves.

Paul Vaughan
August 4, 2009 12:23 am

Re: Berry R (20:55:15)
You make a solid point about unquestioning faith-based response, but I would encourage you to run some simulations and then reconsider your latter points (about how many stations it takes to approximate a network).
A watchdog doesn’t always have to bite; knowledge of the watchdog is a deterrent. It isn’t always necessary to blow up a “target”. If the people operating the target want to protect it and are capable of being sensible, a warning shot across the bow might be enough if they appear to be getting out of line.
HOWEVER:
The most important thing isn’t the network average. What is most important is the consistency of measurements at each station. See Currie 1996 to get a sense of how difficult it will be for FUTURE researchers to disentangle complexity if measurements are not taken consistently at each station.
Currie, R. G. (1996). Variance contribution of luni-solar (Mn) and solar cycle (Sc) signals to climate data. International Journal of Climatology 16(12), 1343-1364.
Averages hide a LOT of information about local spatiotemporal heterogeneity. It is not enough to study broad-scale averages. (That is just one baby step towards where we need to go.)

Evan Jones
Editor
August 4, 2009 7:48 am

It could conceivably be right, but it’s at least as likely to be produced by a common quirk in the methodology that produced the two curves.
Wait for it. #B^1

Jim
August 4, 2009 8:24 am

Jacob Mack (12:50:46) :
I don’t have a problem with alternatives to coal and nuclear as long as they are cheaper than coal and nuclear.

JohnV
August 4, 2009 9:16 am

Anthony,
I didn’t have time to read all of this, but I noticed a couple of statements about me. Let me clear those up.
First, there is a John Van Vliet who makes movies. He’s not me. He was also involved in Weird Science — I was pretty excited as a kid to see my name scroll by in the credits.
Second, what’s with your statement that I used “incomplete data”. If you think just a little bit harder, you’ll remember that I analyzed the best stations (as chosen by you) with proper geographic weighting and without homogeneity adjustments. You’ll remember that the USA48 trend from the best stations matched the trend from all stations.
You may also remember that you continuously ask me to hide the results. Supposedly you’re going to do your own analysis at some point. It’s been a couple of years — how’s that analysis coming?
REPLY: Ah John, the data was in fact incomplete as the data you used was not spatially representative of the USA, there were serious clumping and lack of coverage issues for CRN1/2 stations. The data had also not been quality controlled yet when you used it. We fixed several errors where volunteers had surveyed the wrong station, since many communities contain multiple COOP sites, this is easy to do.
I did not ask you to “hide the results”. That is your statement, not mine. What I did ask you to do is WAIT until I had a complete enough data set and had a chance to publish my own results first. I also asked you to stop citing your results pending publication of mine. This is common practice in science, not to usurp another person’s work by taking their shared data and publishing some conclusion on it prior to the primary investigator being able to do so. Both you and NCDC didin’t pay any attention to that, preferring the rush to judgment approach without so much as asking me initially (you may recall I made suggestions after your surprise analysis. This is what my being open and publishing data early on got me.
The current analysis is going swimmingly, thank you. And two papers are being prepared. I was also invited to participate in a paper from NCDC which I am considering, but they too want to “rush”. When my papers publish, all data and methods will be available online for replication. Until they publish, I ask for the same courtesy extended to any other primary investigator and collector of data. – Anthony

JohnV
August 4, 2009 9:57 am

Anthony,
Your arguments sounds very convincing, but you were very happy to promote and go along with Steve McIntyre’s analysis of the same data. His analysis was much simpler than mine and did not even make an attempt at geographic weighting. His analysis also supported your statements and opinion that the “official” temperature histories had major problems.
It was only when I did an improved analysis that showed the official temperature histories were ok that you complained about premature conclusions.
As for using “your” data, all that I have ever used was your station ratings which you regularly publish online (which is a good thing). Nobody has usurped your right to use the data first for your own benefit.
If you would like to do your own analysis with your quality-controlled data, my OpenTemp software is still available. You could finish your analysis this afternoon using any subset of stations that you like. The results would certainly be more complete than empty predictions about the quality of NOAA and NASA results.
REPLY: John, you may recall that McIntyre’s analysis was prompted by you. Other than noting the initial rebuttal here I haven’t been using it. Your analysis OTOH, was being cited as proof of falsification repeatedly on many online discussions, without so much a mention of the weaknesses in that early data. Your analysis of early, incomplete, and non QC’d data prompted a summary rush to judgment by many.
As far as I can tell, you haven’t lifted a finger in any of those cases to point out any of those weaknesses. If you have, please email me a list.
Let me ask you. If I had not been open in my process, and published some early data, would you have even embarked on OpenTemp?
I think not. You saw an angle and went for it. If the OpenTemp project was truly to be used as anything other than a tool to target my work, it would have blossomed (as Open Source projects tend to do) and we’d be seeing regular updates on it. Right? You snark about my taking two years to complete a nationwide project with volunteers. yet your own project has not been significantly updated, and you have only yourself to manage.
You don’t even have it published up on Sourceforge yet.
http://sourceforge.net/search/?type_of_search=soft&words=OpenTemp
– Anthony

JohnV
August 4, 2009 10:36 am

Anthony,
I was hanging out on Climate Audit when Mr. McIntyre did his initial analysis using your data. I thought it would be an interesting challenge to take his preliminary work and your station ratings and improve on it. I was not “targeting” your work — I thought your work was useful and was curious about the temperature record. I spent a couplef of evenings writing a little program (OpenTemp) to analyze the stations with proper geographic weighting. I then posted the results on Climate Audit.
That led to many re-analyses. My work was appearing on other web sites that I knew nothing about. I addressed every problem that you and others found in my work. I looked into including stations with CRN ratings of 3 or higher. I excluded urban stations. I excluded airports. I and others worked on regional analysis within USA48. We looked at the differences between the best and worst stations. The basic conclusion was always the same — the station problems had little if any qualitative effect on the USA48 temperature record.
I also made many offers to work with you and Mr McIntyre to write an open-source program and to analyze the data together. You were not interested, and that’s fine.
I published the source code online. I invited collaboration but there were no takers. I do not have the time or inclination to run an open-source project, but the code is still available if anybody wants it.
I do not “snark” about Surface Stations taking two years to complete. I snark about you studiously avoiding any analysis of your data that would quantify the effect of station problems on the temperature record. You spend a lot of time publishing the poor quality of some stations but are unwilling to quantify the problem. As I said, you could be finished this afternoon using OpenTemp.

REPLY:
You still haven’t answered the question about why you embarked on the project and published initial results using the data gathered without so much as an initial email to me. Your offers of collaboration came later, BTW. But that’s OK I don’t need an answer.
About my timeline: They key has always been to find the “best” stations, as there are very very few of them. That is the goal. The “best” stations establish the baseline. Publishing analysis on early CRN1/2 data that is clumped and missing wide swaths of the USA while comparing it to a larger more evenly and spatially distributed set is fine, but in my opinion and that of others, was not enough. And that analysis has been completed at one stage for one paper, and we are writing that paper. Your analysis didn’t have a critical mass of CRN1/2 stations so to say that it coame out the same way each time only really speaks to the data.
I will say that your work showed us something of value though, and I’m making use of it. We could go round and round for hours. The right time for doing that is after my papers have been published. All I’ve ever asked of anyone (beyond the volunteer help) is to let me finish, yet I’m being criticized for that even.
Wait for our analysis, then criticize all your wish, write rebuttals. That is the accepted way science does it. – Anthony

August 4, 2009 10:40 am

“I don’t have a problem with alternatives to coal and nuclear as long as they are cheaper than coal and nuclear.”
Without taxpayer subsidies, alternative energy sources are much, much more expensive than coal, oil or nuclear power.
And they only produce a tiny, single-digit percentage [1%, IIRC] of power produced — for a really massive waste of tax money.
It’s like hooking up generators to bicycles, subsidizing the peddlers, and claiming you have a new alternative source of power.
Take away the subsidies. Then we’ll see what an inefficient waste of resources “green” power really is.

August 4, 2009 10:52 am

JohnV,
You say that Anthony is “studiously avoiding any analysis of [his] data that would quantify the effect of station problems on the temperature record.” How would you know that?
Do you seriously believe, after the enormous amount of time and effort that has gone into the Surface Stations project, that Anthony is avoiding any analysis of the data? That sounds like a preemptive hit piece, in case the results aren’t what you want to see.
There is nothing stopping you from doing your own site survey, instead of complaining about the way Anthony chooses to do it. But that would take a lot more effort than sitting back and taking pot shots at the guy who’s actually doing the work, wouldn’t it?

JohnV
August 4, 2009 12:07 pm

Smokey,
I have never complained about the way that Anthony is doing a site survey. It’s a lot of work and I think the results are potentially useful for real science. My statement about studiously avoiding a quantitative analysis is based on his many rejections of offers to quantify the data and write it up as a blog post.

Anthony,
I just went back to the original comment thread at CA where I did my first analysis. You are right that my first analysis came before Steve McIntyre’s first analysis (my memory of events was incorrect):
http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2048
You ask why I didn’t send you an email first. I guess it was just because I was writing a simple comment in a large online community using data that you had just publicized. Your initial reaction was quite positive:

“Hello John V.
Thanks so much for doing this analysis, your detailed effort is appreciated.
I had planned on doing something similar, and I know Steve McIntyre is also working on something along these lines.
Before I comment further, I’m wondering if you’d be able to run the same analysis method on max temps only, then min temps only, discarding calculating any mean or average of max and min.”
(technical details that only make sense in the context of the thread)

Looking back, the early comments were very civil and cooperative. We both became more hostile as I came under attack from some CA regulars and you came under attack from outsiders. At some point you decided I was targeting you.
But Anthony, you have to realize that when you spend your days promoting Surface Stations and the idea that the surface temperature record is badly broken, somebody is going to quantify your assumptions. You can’t have it both ways — you can’t promote and publicize your data and assumptions while simultaneously hoarding it and complaining when others do a reality check.

Paul Vaughan
August 4, 2009 3:42 pm

“The evolution of ENSO necessitates more than one mode to explain the ENSO-related variability, a point often not adequately appreciated by a number of analyses which simply use one ENSO index to “remove” the effects of ENSO linearly from time series [e.g., Jones, 1989; Christy and McNider, 1994; Zhang et al., 1996; Wigley and Santer, 2000]. We propose a second time series, TNI, as a simple second index important in the evolution of ENSO [Trenberth and Stepaniak, 2001].”
Trenberth, K.E.; Stepaniak, D.P.; & Caron, J.M. (2002), Interannual variations in the atmospheric heat budget, Journal of Geophysical Research 107(D8), AAC 4-1, 4066. doi:10.1029/2000JD000297.
http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/papers/jgr2001a/jgr_interann.html

Barry R.
August 4, 2009 8:20 pm

I’m not going to prejudge what an analysis of the whole range of ‘good’ stations is going to show, but:
(a) Whether or not the ‘good’ stations show the same trends as the overall network I think it is important to keep as much capability to analyze the data from the poor stations as possible. The bureaucratic impulse would be to close down the ‘bad’ stations or fix the problems that Anthony points to. Unfortunately, doing that would make it much more difficult to salvage any value from data from the stations involved. Hopefully the NOAA can figure out some way to salvage data from at least some of the stations. Running properly sited station in parallel (and nearby) to some of the more important ‘bad’ stations for a year or two might allow them to quantify how the poor siting affected the results. We don’t have a time machine, so if this data can be salvaged it should be. In some cases (siting under an air conditioner hot air exhaust) there probably isn’t much point in trying to salvage anything. In other cases there may be a signal extractable from the noise.
b) It’s important not to demonize the poor saps who have been trying to keep these records and make sense of them over the years or to turn them into enemies. If someone at an agency proves themselves to be a political hack rather than a scientist that’s one thing. If some poor smo is just trying to do an impossible job as well as they can that’s another. Don’t make enemies when you don’t have to.
Anthony and the volunteers are doing a job that the agency probably doesn’t have the resources to do themselves. If both sides spin it right this could lead to more resources going to doing the job right, which is in everybody’s interests.
c) The surface stations project was a good idea, but it may start looking at the process too late. Remember, the stations that are being looked at, both good and bad, are a subset of the total stations. I don’t remember the exact figures but I think that around 10-15% of the stations were chosen. How were those specific stations chosen? If any part of the process involved judgment calls, then it’s almost inevitable that biases of some kind got introduced. An obvious one: if you’re expecting warming, you’re more likely to think that stations showing it are good quality stations. Problems like that are why the FDA requires double-blind studies when they decide whether or not to approve drugs.
A closely related problem: sensor replacement. If you’re expecting warming you’re probably going to be more likely to check for faulty sensors when the sensor is running colder than you expected rather than hotter than you expected. When you’re talking tenths of a degree per decade it doesn’t take much subconscious bias to produce a trend whether or not there is one.
d) It would be interesting to see if you could pick out any impact from irrigation on rural temperatures. If water vapor is a greenhouse gas it seems logical that putting a lot of it in a field would increase local humidity and thus local temperatures. Well-watered soil would also probably hold heat better than very dry soil too. How large of an impact would this have? I don’t know. Do temperatures appear to go up more in irrigated areas than in areas with a lot of natural rainfall?
Local humidity might actually be an issue to look for in checking out the siting of sensors. If a sensor in an arid region is in the middle of irrigated field or even a well-watered lawn is it representative of the area in terms of local humidity?

Nichole
August 4, 2009 9:16 pm

~snip~

othercoast
August 5, 2009 4:21 pm

I could just scream.
Via realclimate (the link to the German scientists’ letter to the chancellor), I found an article on Dan Satterfield, a TV meteorologist (WHNT Huntsville, AL) being very loudmouthed in denouncing any criticism of AGW as pseudoscience. He’s got (linked from WHNT) a website with a host of Hansen, Schmidt, Mann et al regurgitations, and, what’s worse, a special children’s misinformation site.
So I’m looking around his sites to find a comment function, thinking about a basic find-yourself-on-the- wrong-side-of-history-pretty-soon sort of post, with an added question how he ever came to unquestioningly retell vague propaganda while calling detailed rebuttals pseudo-science – and perhaps to point out that after something is “peer reviewed” (the most common words in his sites), if the review indicates a paper is crap, it is not a mark of excellence. (As a terrible example, he cites Mann’s fantasy data on the Antartic in his slide presentation on why your friend who disbelieves AGW is wrong.)
And what do I find?
Go here:
http://wildwildweather.com/forecastblog/
and scroll down to the currently second item, “August 2009- Science Fights Back” where he writes about a book on lack of science knowledge in the US general public, writes how important that problem is to him, and suddenly, how questioning AGW is unscientific.
*** Then he links to his own post about the Surfacestations pamphlet, where he regurgitates the talking-point memo including crap pre-homogenized graph, enveloping simple untruths (“mis-sited stations cancel each other out”) and irrelevant strawmen (“it’s the delta-T, not the absolute numbers”) in his condescending this-is-not-science, he-doesn’t even-understand style.
Then: “The Scientists at NOAA had had enough, and responded to it.” And:
***Then he goes on to laud the stupid video that is the topic of this thread “Peter Sinclair made a well produced video called The Climate Denial Crock of The Week. It took apart Watt’s silly pamphlet, bit by bit, and showed without a doubt, why NOAA was right.”
and finally, he accuses Anthony of censorship and naturally, “He apparently understands even less about “Fair Use” under copyright law, than he does about climate physics”.
I wished I had the time to respond to him (I’d have a hard time to not stopp to the ad hom. style of the video and call him Mortimer Snurd, as that’s all I’ve seen in this clown until now), but I don’t.
He’s local to me, you see. Anybody else here from Huntsville? Particularly a mouthpiece from this area should have it pointed out to him how local UAH is the source of much of the data that will be his undoing.

John W.
August 6, 2009 6:19 am

othercoast (16:21:12) :
I could just scream.
Via realclimate (the link to the German scientists’ letter to the chancellor), I found an article on Dan Satterfield, a TV meteorologist (WHNT Huntsville, AL) …

I used to live in Huntsville. The standing joke was that Dan is a great meteorologist, he’s predicted 37 of the last 2 blizzards. 8^)

Adam Grey
August 21, 2009 2:57 am

Peter Sinclair’s video has been reinstated by youtube. It seems that cited material was deemed fair use.

barry
August 21, 2009 3:06 am

Well now you tube has gone green! They’ve just restored Sinclair’s video.

Aine
August 25, 2009 1:14 pm

~snip~ The argument is that the Earth isn’t really warming, only we think it is because of bad data from urban temperature sites.
1. The areas were the temperature anomaly are greatest are the Arctic, Siberia, and Antarctica. There aren’t too many sidewalks, air conditioning vents, or tarmacs in those areas.
2. The US only covers 2% of the Earth’s land mass, so even if there were errors in that data, it wouldn’t affect the data in the rest of the 98% of the Earth’s surface.
3. As has been said many times, the errors you site can only cause a constant higher temperature, and those errors would not be useful to a global warming case, since they would have to be increasing. Your only rebuttal point seems to be that you object to the common procedures to normalize the data and adjust for these errors.
4. We don’t even need to look at temperature data, when we can observe the patterns of nature changing before our eyes in response to what would be expected if the Earth was warming as a whole.
~snip~ [~dbstealey, moderator]

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