More from the “weather is not climate” department. While our economy cools, so do apparently our cities. Cincinnati has a similar problem, and does Traverse City, and the cool weather doesn’t “play in Peoria“.
Taken by themselves it doesn’t mean much, but it is interesting.
NOUS41 KOKX 240847
PNSOKX
CTZ005>012-NJZ002>006-011-NYZ067>081-251000-
PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY
444 AM EDT FRI JUL 24 2009
…UNUSUALLY COOL JULY FOR CENTRAL PARK…
FOR SOME PERSPECTIVE…HERE ARE THE TOP TEN COOLEST JULYS ON RECORD
SINCE 1869 FOR CENTRAL PARK IN NEW YORK CITY:
COOLEST
AVG. TEMP. YEAR
70.7 1888
71.9 1884
72.1 1914
72.3 2000/1871
72.4 1891
72.6 1895
72.8 1902/1869
72.9 1956
73.1 1890
73.2 2001
DUE TO THE UNUSUALLY COOL CONDITIONS THUS FAR IN JULY…HERE ARE
SOME INTERESTING FACTS TO NOTE…
WITH AN AVERAGE DAILY TEMPERATURE OF 71.6…CURRENTLY RUNNING 4.7
DEGREES BELOW NORMAL…THIS JULY IS ON TRACK FOR THE 2ND COOLEST
ON RECORD. BELOW AVERAGE TEMPERATURES HAVE OCCURRED ON 21 OUT OF
23 DAYS…WITH THE OTHER TWO DAYS BEING NORMAL. THERE HAVE BEEN
ZERO ABOVE NORMAL DAYS.
CENTRAL PARK HAS ONLY REACHED 85 DEGREES ONCE THIS MONTH…ON THE
17TH…AND HAS NOT YET REACHED 90 DEGREES THIS SUMMER. IF THIS
CONTINUES THROUGH THE END OF THE MONTH…IT WILL ONLY BE THE
SECOND TIME SINCE 1869 THAT 90 DEGREES WAS NOT REACHED IN JUNE OR
JULY. THE ONLY OTHER TIME THIS OCCURRED WAS 1996.
$$
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NYC, Cincy, Peoria, to Traverse City: That’s a mighty big area to be having such pleasant weather. It almost sounds like they are complaining.
Meanwhile, parts of the west are actually warm. It’s summer.
While weather may not be Climate, if this had been the second Hottest July in New York it would have noised about as proof of Global Warming. This should get the attention it deserves, a blip on the radar screen as an interesting factoid and no more. But then so should the Warmest or coldest July’s. It is not proof of anything and I hope news Agencies will change their tunes soon.
However, at what point does the weather become a climate?
It’s decidedly cool here in the U.K., and wet!
Lows in the mid-west and east – “3,000 Low Temp Records Set This July!”
http://www.accuweather.com
(Left side, Headlines box) good article, check it out.
But hot early on the west coast, SF bay area, Portland, etc. so the snow (glaciers) of Mt Hood will probably be photographed again showing how little snow (ice) remains compared to 19xx all due to GW…….
and here in Central FL the Crape Myrtles are finally in full bloom, about 2 months late, all due to GW…… Hmmm, how DO they know what the temperature is Sidney, Australia?
The total of all weather is ……..
“marek asked: However, at what point does the weather become a climate?”
by definition – around 30 years – but such is subject to caveats
We froze our weather asses off dining outdoors in Branson Mo. (Las Vegas of the puritanical) Last Fri/Sat nights. Our climate asses remained warm and toasty in Climate Cuckoo Land.
While they chill out and get very wet in the East, on the west coast we are having a beautiful summer . . . next week has predictions for Vancouver in the low 90’s for a few days. To the Beach !!
Bloody marvelous, although we know the 8 month rainy season is lurking around the corner.
Why is it that RC prohibits responses to these?
39.robert davies says:
25 Jul 2009 at 8:38 am
The text and signatories of Singer’s latest offering, petitioning the American Physical Society for a revised statement on climate change, is here:
http://www.openletter-globalwarming.info/Site/open_letter.html
Quoting in part:
“…measured or reconstructed temperature records indicate that 20th-21st century changes are neither exceptional nor persistent, and the historical and geological records show many periods warmer than today.”
Having reviewed most of those records personally, and having reviewed the analyses of so many sincere and talented scientists, I’m simply at a loss to understand this statement. It’s simply laughable — or would be, were it not so bizarre.
Yes, but globally, this month is a scorcher
– and the arctic ice is disappearing quickly – nearing 2007 levels….
“Taken by themselves it doesn’t mean much, but it is interesting.”
Do you really find every piece of news about cold weather interesting? I find pieces like this about as interesting as if you wrote a report every time you found a dead leaf on an otherwise healthy tree.
REPLY: Then don’t visit this blog. I’ll write what I want when I want. Don’t like it? Then tough noogies. Nobody is forcing you to read it “RW”. My job for 25 years was to report on interesting and odd weather events. The media trumpets warm records, so I’m providing some balance. I’ll continue to do that here despite your whining.- Anthony Watts
Steadfast adherence to the facts that support your beliefs while ignoring those that cast doubt is a sign of either mental illness or religious conviction. It has no place in science.
This is true no matter which side of the AGW/CO2 debate one chooses.
During the 80’s and 90’s when warming was correlating well with temperature, it was reasonable to conclude that AGW/CO2 was plausible. It was also plausible that natural variation could explain both CO2 and temperature. Neither hypothesis was established as being correct, since both appeared plausible.
The PDO flip (with or without solar effects) has provided good evidence that the natural hypothesis is better able to explain what we are experiencing wrt regional, and possibly global, cooling.
While the AGW/CO2 hypothesis has not been completely overturned (there still remains some parts that have a basis in reality), what has become clear is that the claims of tipping points and catastrophic harm are nothing more than phantasms created by computers with bad input and assumptions.
Some good people have invested a lot of honest effort into the AGW/CO2 study over the past 20 years. Charlatans have seized a political advantage on the backs of these good people.
It is now imperative that more honest researchers speak out as a few have done. They need to do so now, before they retire, so it is clear they are willing to risk their livelihoods. They need to do so now, before we go any further down the road to economic ruin we have embarked upon as a society.
Douglas H. Wood, M.Sc., FGAC, P.Geo., L.Hg.
@Phil – If you look at the temperatures in the Arctic, they are below average for this time of year. (assuming the data is accurate) To me, that suggests, and it has been noted on this site before, that temperature is not the driving factor behind sea ice loss. Wind/Ocean currents seem to be the largest contributor to sea ice loss.
Since the media hypes heat stories so much, this is good balancing with cold stories, shows this ‘warming’ planet still can have quite a few unseasonable cool areas.
Plus the prospect this year could be a scorcher relative to the recent data could also mean a bigger than usual yearly rise of a certain plant food named CO2 when you look at the near-perfect corralation of the rate CO2 levels rise and temps. for that year, some leaves on our mulberry trees are jumbo-sized again compared to their size a few years ago if I remember right, then yesterday I went to my grandmother’s house and some of the leaves on her large mulberry tree were even bigger.
Just to note current CO2 levels may have a part in doing that. Like there’s a vine she cut all the way down last year is apparently growing all the way up a pole this year alone to completely cover her bird hotel.
Douglas H. Wood, I congratulate you on that post!
Douglas H. Wood (11:04:47) :While the AGW/CO2 hypothesis has not been completely overturned
In any chemistry/physics handbook you will find that the volumetric heat capacity of air is 0.001297 J cm-1 K-1, and water is 4.186, so air (atmosphere) can hold heat 3227 times less heat than water, then, how in the world could atmosphere alone, and less a trace gas(CO2) in it, being 3.8 per ten thousand,able to keep warm?
That simple fact shows you that all this is nonsense.
“I find pieces like this about as interesting as if you wrote a report every time you found a dead leaf on an otherwise healthy tree.” -RW
I take this as progress since RW is comparing cold to death. the normal routine is to compare life-giving warmth to death…
Also RW compares the rest of the warm earth to a “healthy tree”… we’re making progress here!!! 🙂
BRAVO! RW…. You are coming around…. I have a new respect for you…
Mike Bryant
Phil (10:37:08) :
“Yes, but globally, this month is a scorcher”
Everywhere we look we see either unexceptional warm or else cool temps. But if we join them up we get scorching.
Magic Math!
A scorcher by definition!
“Yes, but globally, this month is a scorcher
– and the arctic ice is disappearing quickly – nearing 2007 levels…”
hmmm click here:
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php
You seem to equate average earth temps with greater than average Arctic melt, while the Arctic is cooler than average…. What’s wrong with this picture? Please take a reasonable perspective… people are tired of the old alarmism… Get a grip.
July has been cool and wet again this year in Northern Ontario, Canada. Here are some data for Sudbury
1971-2000 Jun Jul
Daily Avg °C 16.2 19
Daily Max °C 22 24.8
Daily Min °C 10.4 13.3
Extreme Max °C 35.7 38.3
Extreme Min °C -1.6 3.8
Rainfall (mm) 77.7 76.6
For 2009 Jun Jul
Daily Avg °C 16.1 16.2
Daily Max °C 21.6 21.3
Daily Min °C 10.5 11
Extreme Max °C 32.2 25.6
Extreme Min °C 3.4 7.7
Rainfall (mm) 68.3 74.7
Oh, and Douglas said, “During the 80’s and 90’s when warming was correlating well with temperature,…” I must ask, when does warming not correlate well with temperature? 🙂
John M Reynolds
“Weather is not climate” from East Germany:
I spend every summer in Germany and today the local paper run a half page article detailing the effects of the rubbish summer in Saxony-Anhalt:
Wheat harvest average (-7%) but quality of the grain below average
due to incessant rain
visitor numbers to the entire outdoor pool industry: down 50%
customer numbers in beergardens and the like: down 50%
vintners: expecting harvest to be down 35-40%, as much as 50% for some grapes
etc
Of course, as far as I am concerned this is still just weather, even though the effects are felt all over Germany. While I have certainly experienced rubbish summers in Germany before, this one seems to have a lot more rain.
For us the most striking element is the fact that the temperature keeps jumping about by about ten degrees from one day to the next and has done so for the past few weeks but night time temps are not significantly down from average. When the temperatures are up it still rains, just rains, like in Scotland where it also keeps on raining – as usual.
P.S. My father, a nature enthusiast and environmentalist and (non-fanatic) AGW believer, has been faithfully recording the temperature and weather conditions in our garden for decades.
He told me that the birds (several species of whom he has kept arrival logs on for 15+ years) returned late this year and last. But even more striking, the lowest winter temperature he recorded -20 degrees celsius was a 20 – 30 year record. Well, what he said was: “It’s never been this cold before, ever” but I’d be hard put to quantify that properly. (please note: thermometer fixed to building wall, so actual temperature probably lower)
To RW (10:39:12) :
Yes, I do actually find this interesting. I also like the hottest, rainiest, driest etc stuff, I just like weather phenomena, climate, science… and, honestly, this is a weather and climate blog – what did you expect?
Keep them coming, Anthony – I love teasing my Dad with all this cold stuff!
I think it is equally plausible that wind pressure is compacting ice into the Arctic as opposed to sending it out of the Arctic to its death in warmer waters and a steeper sunlight angle. The jet stream patterns were blamed for ice leaving the Arctic. Can they not be blamed for compacting it? I think there is less melt than we think and thicker ice than we think if this wind pattern continues.
Sure, Anthony – you can write about every wiggle on every weather chart if you want. But your subtext – that cold weather, somewhere, at some point, somehow means that global warming is not happening – is just unbearably hackneyed.
REPLY: This is your cockeyed view, not mine, and I have NEVER EVER said global warming is not happening. The only questions are the cause and the magnitude of the true signal. Don’t put your views in my mouth. I get this same stupid complaint from people like yourself every time I post an article on a record cold event.
I’ll add that if I was posting on a record high, your confirmation bias would kick in and no complaints would be issued.
Like I said, if you don’t like what I write about here, and you want alarmism 24/7 this is not the place, so please don’t visit. – Anthony Watts
What a HORRIBLE way to run a catastrophic warming scare!
“It’s only weather and doesn’t matter because everywhere else is burning up” is neither profound nor even accurate. Of course there are some areas warmer, but the same people excusing cool areas were viciously defending warm areas just a little while ago.
This is shaping up to be one of the crappiest years for weather out here on the prairies, reminding me in some ways of 1992. I’ve been told the same by friends and co-workers in Vancouver, Winnipeg, Toronto, and Halifax, so it’s hardly local.
So I assume you will have a dedicated post to the highest recorded lower atmospheric temperatures? Now that is interesting so what’s up with that. http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/execute.csh?amsutemps
REPLY: Sorry Mary, we had a post on the record high AMSU temps earlier this month, perhaps you missed it. Try the search box. And of course, like every month, UAH’s month end will be reported here. – Anthony