Bill Gates to Control Hurricanes: DOH!

From the “would you, could you, with a boat department”. Bill goes macro. The Simpsons are cited by patent watcher.

Patent watcher “theodp,” who tipped us off to the filings, says he was reminded of “The Simpsons” as he read through them. “The richest man in the world hatches a plan to alter weather and ecology in return for insurance premiums and fees from governments and individuals,” he writes. “It’s got kind of a Mr. Burns feel to it, no?”

I guess Bill has been talking to the G-8 people and their temperature control ideas. Note to Bill: nature will squish you and your ideas like a bug. In the meantime with ACE values being low according to COAPS Ryan Maue and Steve McIntyre showing cooler temperatures on the SST map for Gulf Coast hurricane development areas, it looks like they may have to wait a year or two to try out their ideas. The idea? Basically, ship mounted pumps to circulate cooler water from below the thermocline to the surface by forcing surface water downward first. Good luck with that. – Anthony

Spoof photo from the New York Post

One force of nature vs. another: Bill Gates tries to stop hurricanes

By Todd Bishop on Techflash

A diagram from one of the newly disclosed Gates and Myhrvold patent filings, depicting a deployment of hurricane-supression vessels in the Gulf of Mexico.

Recent patent filings have shown Bill Gates and his friends exploring subjects as diverse as electromagnetic engines and beer kegs. Now they’re thinking even bigger — trying to stop hurricanes.

Microsoft’s chairman is among the inventors listed on a new batch of patent applications that propose using large fleets of vessels to suppress hurricanes through various methods of mixing warm water from the surface of the ocean with colder water at greater depths. The idea is to decrease the surface temperature, reducing or eliminating the heat-driven condensation that fuels the giant storms.

The filings were made by Searete LLC, an entity tied to Intellectual Ventures, the Bellevue-based patent and invention house run by Nathan Myhrvold, the former Microsoft chief technology officer. Myhrvold and several others are listed along with Gates as inventors.

The diagram at right is from one of five related patent applications made public this morning. So how exactly do they plan to stop hurricanes? Here’s an excerpt from the filing that explains the diagram.

Vessel 100 is a tub-like structure having one or more walls 110 and a bottom 115. Vessel 100 may be held buoyant in the water by one or more buoyancy tanks 120 which may be used to maintain the buoyancy of vessel 100 and further may be used to control the height of walls 110 above the water level. Vessel 100 also includes a conduit 125 whose horizontal cross section is substantially smaller than the horizontal cross section of the tub portion 130 of the vessel defined by walls 110. In an exemplary embodiment, conduit 125 extends well below the ocean surface including depths below the ocean’s thermocline.

In most circumstances, most of the sunlight impinging on the ocean surface is absorbed in the surface layer. The surface layer therefore heats up. Wind and waves move water in this surface layer which distributes heat within it. The temperature may therefore be reasonably uniform to depths extending a few hundred feet down from the ocean surface. Below this mixed layer, however, the temperature decreases rapidly with depth, for example, as much as 20 degrees Celsius with an additional 150 m (500 ft) of depth. This area of rapid transition is called the thermocline. Below it, the temperature continues to decrease with depth, but far more gradually. In the Earth’s oceans, approximately 90% of the mass of water is below the thermocline. This deep ocean consists of layers of substantially equal density, being poorly mixed, and may be as cold as -2 to 3.degree. C.

Therefore, the lower depths of the ocean may be used as a huge heat/energy sink which may be exploited by vessel 100. When vessel 100 is deployed at sea, waves 135 may lap over the top of walls 110 to input warm (relative to deeper waters) surface ocean water into tub 130. Tub 130 will fill to a level 140 which is above the average ocean level depicted as level 145. Because of the difference between levels 140 and 145, a pressure head is created thereby pushing warm surface ocean water in a downward direction 150 down through conduit 125 to exit into the cold ocean depths (relative to near surface waters) through one or more openings 155. In an exemplary embodiment, the depth of opening 155 may be located below the ocean’s thermocline, the approximate bottom of which is depicted as line 160. This cycle will be continuous in bringing warm surface ocean water to great depth as ocean waves continue to input water into tub 130. If many of vessel 100 are distributed throughout a region of water, the temperature of the surface of the water may be altered.

“Many” is the important concept there at the end.

Gates, Myhrvold and associates aren’t the first to propose reducing the ocean’s surface temperature as a means of suppressing hurricanes, said David Nolan, an associate professor of meteorology and physical oceanography at the University of Miami’s Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Science.

“Every couple of years there’s a news story that gets picked up for some hurricane-suppression idea,” Nolan said via phone this morning. “They’re all kooky in their own way. Some of them are more plausible than others, but they all face an enormous problem of scale. … You would have to cover an incredible area with this effect to reduce the temperature of the ocean by a significant amount.”

Of course, a big difference in this case is that one of the people making the suggestion is one of the world’s richest men. But don’t look for Gates to fund the deployment of thousands of these vessels. One of the patent filings proposes paying for the equipment through the sale of insurance policies in hurricane-prone areas, in addition to funding from state, federal and local government agencies.

Patent watcher “theodp,” who tipped us off to the filings, says he was reminded of “The Simpsons” as he read through them. “The richest man in the world hatches a plan to alter weather and ecology in return for insurance premiums and fees from governments and individuals,” he writes. “It’s got kind of a Mr. Burns feel to it, no?”

The hurricane-suppression patent applications date to early 2008, but they were first made public this morning.

These and previous Searete LLC patent filings are believed to result from brainstorming sessions regularly held by Intellectual Ventures, in which Gates has been known to take part. It’s not clear how or when Intellectual Ventures might go forward with any of these ideas.

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J. Peden
July 13, 2009 3:38 pm

Anyone know why Gates’ waves in Fig. 1 don’t have troughs?

Ray
July 13, 2009 3:46 pm

When you get to know The Gates and compare what they say and what they actually do, it can get really scary.
It is well known by now that The Gates are not there to help humanity in a humanitarian type of way. They are there to make money, lots of it. Anything they promote as a solution for humanity turns out to be a better way for them to make money. Two really scary examples are given below…
Here is the truth about their Fundation where more money goes to companies working against the very definition of what the fundation is supposed to do…

The other very frightening Gate project is that of the “Doomsday Seed Vault” where is his in business with well known Eugenists.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7529
VERY SCARY!

Indiana Bones
July 13, 2009 5:29 pm

Ray (15:46:26) :
“When you get to know The Gates and compare what they say and what they actually do, it can get really scary.”
Let’s ask this question, is it better for this foundation to be invested in big corporations whose dividends provide it with the cash to distribute medical care and education? Or to invest in less profitable enterprises that will return less cash for these charitable efforts?
The LA Times/Amy Grant story acknowledges the foundation has given away some $10B in the last six years – with an efficacy far higher than government or the UN. Their complaint is in the foundation’s portfolio. Personally I’d rather see the corporate profits go to a foundation like this than to government funding more AGW studies.
As for the Global Seed Bank in Svalbard, Norway – it is a project initiated and owned by Norwegians. Their intent is to protect biodiversity by banking samples of millions of seed types from around the globe. The groundbreaking ceremony was attended by the Premiers of Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Iceland – calling it “Noah’s Ark on Svalbard.”
About as scary as the melting ice caps and sea level rise.
Eric Naegle (12:54:02) :
An intellectually over rated billionaire surrounded with honey dripping, obsequious sycophants 24/7 etc. etc. etc.
Wondering where the famous WUWT moderators are on this.
Reply: ??? Whatzamatta for you? I see nothing upon which comment. ~ charles the moderator

Chuck Bradley
July 13, 2009 8:16 pm

This will be an interesting patent application to follow.
Does the Patent Office still require a working model?

July 13, 2009 10:28 pm

Chuck, no, the patent office does not usually require a working model, but can require one when a fundamental principle of physics is violated – such as perpetual motion. see 35 U.S.C. 114, shown below:
35 U.S.C. 114
“Models, specimens.
The Director [of the Patent Office] may require the applicant to furnish a model of convenient size to exhibit advantageously the several parts of his invention.”

D. Quist
July 13, 2009 11:07 pm

Why cool the water? One ice-cold quart of water tossed into the air as mist will pull a tremendous amount of heat out of the air before it is warmed up.
Pull bottom water through an insulated pipe to the surface and eject the water say 1000ft into the air.
You don’t have to do this all the time. You would only need to do it in the area in front of the hurricane that is threatened by a landfall.
I’m not too serious about this, but here is a back of the envelope calculation.
To heat 1Kilo of water 1C. takes 4186 Joules
Energy released through clouds/rain by a Hurricane during 24 hours, 5.2×10^19 Joule.
Too warm up 1000 liters, or one ton of water from say 0C to 26C takes 109 million Joules.
How much ice-cold water would have to be pumped into the air to nullify the energy in a hurricane?? My calculation is 5.5 million tonnes per second… I might be off somewhere. But still, that is an enormous amount of water to be pumped into the air…
Maybe we could cool it a little…. But, with these kind of numbers, it all is out of our range.
You would need one gigantic pump for that…

Ray
July 13, 2009 11:24 pm

Indiana Bones (17:29:35) :
Obviously, you haven’t looked into the two links I put in my comment.

Bill Parkyn
July 13, 2009 11:24 pm

To WestHoustonGeo: You can’t patent that idea so Gates wouldn’t be interested, however more sensible it is.
To starzmom: The artificial upwellings are the same as for Ocean Thermal Energy Conversion (OTEC), with no pumping back down. The upwelling is best done in a current, such as across the Yucatan Straits, so that the cold water mixes with the hot water to get lukewarm.
MC: During the summer the Yucatan pump line would be keeping the Y-current at spring temps, thereby suppressing sea-surface evaporation downstreat for a week per 10C cooling, or all of the Gulf Coast of Mexico, Texas, and Louisiana. After that you’d use the ones in the picture above. What temps do your warm-water fish actually need? As for oxygen, it’s easy to pump a little air down and blow bubbles in the upcoming cold water. The high fertilizer value of the cold water will result in more fish, not less.
To D. Cohen: the thermocline is only a hundred feet thick while the ocean is of course far deeper, so there’s lots of cooling potential. The sun needs two weeks to re-warm it.
To GuruOfReason: Most of the rain in the West comes from winter storms, so you want to humidify them with ocean sprayers west of Canada, say, to boost rain downwind. This would be much more valuable than ocean cooling. The impending Little Ice Age will render cooling schemes unnecessary, because soon there won’t be a warm Gulf.
GigaWatt solar power sats could be used to strategically deposit heat in key ‘butterfly effect’ parcels a few cubic miles in size, to steer storms as well as strengthen or weaken them. But first you’d have to follow Shakespeare’s advice about lawyers.

Max
July 14, 2009 3:07 am

Ronan (13:00:10) : “I’ve read that AGW is the majority view among climate scientists”
Even if true (and I think that’s changed), this is argumentum ad populum (the head-count argument) a classic form of fallacious logic, proving nothing. Remember, majority view once held that the planet was 150 million years old, that bleeding was the proper treatment for pneumonia, that the Earth was the center of the universe. How many times have we all seen the “consensus of experts” suddenly proved wrong, on everything from carcinogenic saccharine to Saddam’s WMD?
I believe you when you say you “look on the near future of humanity and Earth with a distinctly worried eye”. It may explain your suseptibility to doomsday prophesy. Myself, I was born with the skepticism that makes a true scientist–if only I had the brains to go with it.
This is a first-rate site. I hope you’ll visit often.

TJA
July 14, 2009 5:22 am

“I’ve read that AGW is the majority view among climate scientists”
If thinking about science to you consists of head counting opinions based on press accounts and the *Wikipedia*, fer [explitive deleted], could you please explain why you come here and comment?
We can read the papers too. This argument is not, as it seems to a lot of people who believe in global warming seem to think, about *reading comprehension*, it is about independent *critical thinking*. If you don’t think that is possible, once again, why bother? What can you say that we haven’t heard a million times? A more effective use of your time might be to answer our objections to things like use of Wikipedia as a source, and bringing up a temperature record which this blog has dedicated tremendous effort on the part of a lot of people to either validate or invalidate.

Ron de Haan
July 14, 2009 6:32 am

Why does Bill not find a way to fish all that disposed plastic out of the oceans.
He would still be “Off Shore” but actually doing something useful with his money.

ELM
July 14, 2009 6:38 am

I too have been thinking of ways to power down a hurricane…I don’t think it can be stopped but I do believe that it may be possible to knock some of the punch out of a hurricane….and if someone is able have Mr.Gates contact me I will be glad to share my ideas with him because I have been thinking about this ever since the storm destroyed the Gulf Coast some years back

Ron de Haan
July 14, 2009 6:43 am

Gary Pearse (08:46:51) :
“From a little drop-out with an idea and a garage for a factory he deserves some respect”.
You are right on the drop-out but wrong on the garage.
I think you confuse Microsoft with Apple here.
Or did they all start in a garage?
Anyhow, I lost my respect using his software.

Indiana Bones
July 14, 2009 10:52 am

Ray (23:24:10) :
Obviously, you haven’t looked into the two links I put in my comment.
Yeah, Ray I did. Like I said. About as scary as the melting ice caps and sea level rise. Those Norwegians really got it in for us.
Reply: ??? Whatzamatta for you? I see nothing upon which comment. ~ charles the moderator
Holy macaroni Challie… I gotto get more organizized, eh?

TJA
July 14, 2009 11:10 am

“and if someone is able have Mr.Gates contact me I will be glad to share my ideas with him because I have been thinking about this ever since the storm destroyed the Gulf Coast some years back”
Let’s just assume you are not joking, for the sake of discussion. Who pays if you steer the hurricane away from New Orleans, and it hits Galveston?
My personal favorite? Glad you asked. We will install wind turbines with giant batteries, and when a hurricane comes, we will reverse the power and turn them into giant fans, shearing off the storm. D’oh! I just gave away my billion dollar idea!

Before Gore Kneel
July 14, 2009 11:59 am

Bill’s new grasping,
Oh Rent Seeking Blue Screen of Death,
Writ large, writ stoopid.

Michael Jankowski
July 16, 2009 9:09 pm

I like the patent they are seeking for a fence that would fire photons at mosquitos.

July 29, 2009 6:03 pm

“Imagine…Reducing the Punch of Hurricanes,” published May 22, 2009.
http://sharedemergency.wordpress.com/2009/05/22/imagine-reducing-the-punch-of-hurricanes-2/

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