Bill Gates to Control Hurricanes: DOH!

From the “would you, could you, with a boat department”. Bill goes macro. The Simpsons are cited by patent watcher.

Patent watcher “theodp,” who tipped us off to the filings, says he was reminded of “The Simpsons” as he read through them. “The richest man in the world hatches a plan to alter weather and ecology in return for insurance premiums and fees from governments and individuals,” he writes. “It’s got kind of a Mr. Burns feel to it, no?”

I guess Bill has been talking to the G-8 people and their temperature control ideas. Note to Bill: nature will squish you and your ideas like a bug. In the meantime with ACE values being low according to COAPS Ryan Maue and Steve McIntyre showing cooler temperatures on the SST map for Gulf Coast hurricane development areas, it looks like they may have to wait a year or two to try out their ideas. The idea? Basically, ship mounted pumps to circulate cooler water from below the thermocline to the surface by forcing surface water downward first. Good luck with that. – Anthony

Spoof photo from the New York Post

One force of nature vs. another: Bill Gates tries to stop hurricanes

By Todd Bishop on Techflash

A diagram from one of the newly disclosed Gates and Myhrvold patent filings, depicting a deployment of hurricane-supression vessels in the Gulf of Mexico.

Recent patent filings have shown Bill Gates and his friends exploring subjects as diverse as electromagnetic engines and beer kegs. Now they’re thinking even bigger — trying to stop hurricanes.

Microsoft’s chairman is among the inventors listed on a new batch of patent applications that propose using large fleets of vessels to suppress hurricanes through various methods of mixing warm water from the surface of the ocean with colder water at greater depths. The idea is to decrease the surface temperature, reducing or eliminating the heat-driven condensation that fuels the giant storms.

The filings were made by Searete LLC, an entity tied to Intellectual Ventures, the Bellevue-based patent and invention house run by Nathan Myhrvold, the former Microsoft chief technology officer. Myhrvold and several others are listed along with Gates as inventors.

The diagram at right is from one of five related patent applications made public this morning. So how exactly do they plan to stop hurricanes? Here’s an excerpt from the filing that explains the diagram.

Vessel 100 is a tub-like structure having one or more walls 110 and a bottom 115. Vessel 100 may be held buoyant in the water by one or more buoyancy tanks 120 which may be used to maintain the buoyancy of vessel 100 and further may be used to control the height of walls 110 above the water level. Vessel 100 also includes a conduit 125 whose horizontal cross section is substantially smaller than the horizontal cross section of the tub portion 130 of the vessel defined by walls 110. In an exemplary embodiment, conduit 125 extends well below the ocean surface including depths below the ocean’s thermocline.

In most circumstances, most of the sunlight impinging on the ocean surface is absorbed in the surface layer. The surface layer therefore heats up. Wind and waves move water in this surface layer which distributes heat within it. The temperature may therefore be reasonably uniform to depths extending a few hundred feet down from the ocean surface. Below this mixed layer, however, the temperature decreases rapidly with depth, for example, as much as 20 degrees Celsius with an additional 150 m (500 ft) of depth. This area of rapid transition is called the thermocline. Below it, the temperature continues to decrease with depth, but far more gradually. In the Earth’s oceans, approximately 90% of the mass of water is below the thermocline. This deep ocean consists of layers of substantially equal density, being poorly mixed, and may be as cold as -2 to 3.degree. C.

Therefore, the lower depths of the ocean may be used as a huge heat/energy sink which may be exploited by vessel 100. When vessel 100 is deployed at sea, waves 135 may lap over the top of walls 110 to input warm (relative to deeper waters) surface ocean water into tub 130. Tub 130 will fill to a level 140 which is above the average ocean level depicted as level 145. Because of the difference between levels 140 and 145, a pressure head is created thereby pushing warm surface ocean water in a downward direction 150 down through conduit 125 to exit into the cold ocean depths (relative to near surface waters) through one or more openings 155. In an exemplary embodiment, the depth of opening 155 may be located below the ocean’s thermocline, the approximate bottom of which is depicted as line 160. This cycle will be continuous in bringing warm surface ocean water to great depth as ocean waves continue to input water into tub 130. If many of vessel 100 are distributed throughout a region of water, the temperature of the surface of the water may be altered.

“Many” is the important concept there at the end.

Gates, Myhrvold and associates aren’t the first to propose reducing the ocean’s surface temperature as a means of suppressing hurricanes, said David Nolan, an associate professor of meteorology and physical oceanography at the University of Miami’s Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Science.

“Every couple of years there’s a news story that gets picked up for some hurricane-suppression idea,” Nolan said via phone this morning. “They’re all kooky in their own way. Some of them are more plausible than others, but they all face an enormous problem of scale. … You would have to cover an incredible area with this effect to reduce the temperature of the ocean by a significant amount.”

Of course, a big difference in this case is that one of the people making the suggestion is one of the world’s richest men. But don’t look for Gates to fund the deployment of thousands of these vessels. One of the patent filings proposes paying for the equipment through the sale of insurance policies in hurricane-prone areas, in addition to funding from state, federal and local government agencies.

Patent watcher “theodp,” who tipped us off to the filings, says he was reminded of “The Simpsons” as he read through them. “The richest man in the world hatches a plan to alter weather and ecology in return for insurance premiums and fees from governments and individuals,” he writes. “It’s got kind of a Mr. Burns feel to it, no?”

The hurricane-suppression patent applications date to early 2008, but they were first made public this morning.

These and previous Searete LLC patent filings are believed to result from brainstorming sessions regularly held by Intellectual Ventures, in which Gates has been known to take part. It’s not clear how or when Intellectual Ventures might go forward with any of these ideas.

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Steve in NZ
July 12, 2009 5:49 pm

Sounds like Bill has been spending too much time with his friend Warren Buffet, trying to get some “float” from both ocean and insurance premiums.

MikeE
July 12, 2009 5:52 pm

LOL, what can yah say! i suppose “excellent” (whilst flexing fingers together.)
While we’re at it, we could just dam the Bering Strait…. and see what happens 🙂 Or perhaps drop some nuclear depth charges and change the ocean floors topography to cause an up welling of natural currents… and see what happens. thank god im not a billionaire!

July 12, 2009 5:54 pm

Hmmm … it actually appears that they expect to pump warm water to *below* the surface as opposed to bringing up colder water …. just one man’s read of the patent …
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Madman
July 12, 2009 6:03 pm

I don’t know if this merits our ridicule.
Do I think it will work? Er, no, but more power to them. And at least Bill is not wasting tax dollars.

MC
July 12, 2009 6:05 pm

Just a word to Bill and everyone else who thinks this is a good idea. When pulling the cold water from say 5-600 ft below and introducing it to the surface you in affect change the eco system at the surface. This will kill many many surface fish which do not thrive in cold less oxygenated water. This is one of the most absurd ideas I’ve heard. Its not the first I’ve heard of it. Now Gates who can command the resources is someone who can actually do this and it won’t be that hard to do. If they do they will screw the fishery up in the Gulf of Mexico. If they want to take on this attitude and be so callous and nearsighted about the Gulf then why not go back to treating all the oceans with this kind of harmful activity. This is insane.
I’m no greenie. I’m conservative and an independant thinker. I am from the Gulf region and I know a lot about the Gulf of Mexico. I’ve been recreational fishing in it for 43 years. This would be a boondoggle of epic proportions. Yea they can cool the surface but they’re not going to like what happens to the fishery when completed. There’s a reason for thermo seperation in different water columns. I have no way of really being exact about the results. I just no what eco systems exists and how the different species of fish live accordingly. I pray this does not come to be.

WestHoustonGeo
July 12, 2009 6:08 pm

Well, then, if you want installations in the gulf of Mexico to pump water up from the depths…Have I Got A Deal For You!
There are hundreds of oil production platforms with ample pumping capacity, readily available energy sources (in the form of clean natural gas that accompanies oil) and on-site technical support 24/7/52.
I am quite sure that these guys would be more than happy to pump cold water up from the depths. Piece of cake!
You will. of course, pay them a generous fee for this valuable service.
😉

neill
July 12, 2009 6:10 pm

The heedless arrogance is simply mind-boggling.

Gary
July 12, 2009 6:11 pm

Easier to “paint” the sea surface white to reflect the sunlight, yes?

WestHoustonGeo
July 12, 2009 6:12 pm

Pump cold water up, pump hot water down…tomato, tomahto…

WestHoustonGeo
July 12, 2009 6:15 pm

MikeE:
i meant “dam” the berring strait!
Commenting:
I thought you meant “Damn the Berring Strait, Full Speed Ahead!
😉

July 12, 2009 6:15 pm

I’m trying to comprehend this idea, but my brain keeps responding “Error 404 File not found.”
I’m getting a disturbing image of a bearded white-robed Omnipotent Bill Gates hovering above Earth with his fingers poised over “Ctrl-Alt-Delete.”

VG
July 12, 2009 6:15 pm

This from Real Climate …They have decided to postpone AGW until 2020… what drivel!
This (below in quotes) has been published. Can you believe it? Of course this is required to keep their PC game jobs LOL
“We hypothesize that the established pre-1998 trend is the true forced warming signal, and that the climate system effectively overshot this signal in response to the 1997/98 El Niño. This overshoot is in the process of radiatively dissipating, and the climate will return to its earlier defined, greenhouse gas-forced warming signal. If this hypothesis is correct, the era of consistent record-breaking global mean temperatures will not resume until roughly 2020.

starzmom
July 12, 2009 6:16 pm

i agree with jim. it looks like they will send surface water down, which means that the water goes up to the surface will be from just under it, not a long ways down, which in turn means it won’t be all that cold. they will need just that many more of these ships to influence the surface temperature.
also, this seems to rely on gravity and pressure (a higher water level in the vessel than out), which will be a less efficient pump than a real pump.
sounds kind of hare-brained to me. a lot like the schemes from the 70s to combat global cooling.

July 12, 2009 6:17 pm

Yes…And he’ll do it for One BILLION Dollars.
But Dr. Evil, we paid that much in taxes last year.
Okay…One Trillion Dollars.

July 12, 2009 6:17 pm

You just can’t make this stuff up… ROFLMAO …

July 12, 2009 6:18 pm

One question does come to mind, how much CO2 do you suppose this effort will create? … again … ROFLMAO

timetochooseagain
July 12, 2009 6:19 pm

A major problem is that Hurricane development is only partially a factor of sea surface temperatures (important, to be sure, but hardly the end of the story) So a really effective procedure would need to look at loads of other factors and influence them, too. But the whole scheme neglects the fact that Hurricanes are an important natural component of the Earth’s weather system-mess with them and you could upset a whole chain of connected things.
Call this an idea which “Sounds good, until you think about it”.

em butler
July 12, 2009 6:19 pm

just consider the circumstances if he is successful…
law suits and plenty of them..
hurricanes making it to shore will kill and bill will be responsible
if he changes the storms course..same outcome..

July 12, 2009 6:22 pm

Hmmm. In the grand scheme of things, don’t hurricanes serve a function?

Ron de Haan
July 12, 2009 6:22 pm

This is business as usual for Bill.
He buys an idea and exploits it.
This idea is from Mr. James Lovelocks:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/science/sciencenews/3308337/James-Lovelocks-plan-to-pump-ocean-water-to-stop-climate-change.html
His company Microsoft, has announced it will leave the USA territory (staff included) if confronted with tax rises and taxes on foreign activities.
Now he is undertaking actual “off shore” activities pumping cold water instead of hot air. The IRS will have a hand full on this one.
Why is it that people with real money become such a pain in the ass?

Antonio San
July 12, 2009 6:22 pm

It will be hilarious when no hurricane will be stopped by this simplistic science… ignorance is king

Jim Stegman
July 12, 2009 6:30 pm

In college back in 1975 I wrote a term paper which discussed pumping cold water from the depths to produce power in a Rankine cycle using a refrigerant as a working fluid. This idea has been around a long time, I hope they deny his patent request.

AnonyMoose
July 12, 2009 6:31 pm

No active pumping. Wave action will fill a container to above the average sea level. Being higher than sea level, water will be forced down the tube. There is no mention in this summary of insulation, so the warm surface water will give up its heat on the way down through the walls of the tank and pipe. The shallow subsurface water will be warmed somewhat.

WestHoustonGeo
July 12, 2009 6:31 pm

Now that I think about it…I got dibs on the idea of oil rigs to pump heat around (for carbonn credits, I’m sure)….Copyright July 12, 2009…WestHoustonGeo (a legitimate psuedonym – I’ll file a DBA tommorow)).

JDN
July 12, 2009 6:43 pm

No problem. I assume it will be running Windows, so we’ll have nothing to worry about.

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