
Cap and Trade and the Illusion of the New Green Economy
Dr. Roy Spencer, from his blog at www.drroyspencer.com
July 1st, 2009
I don’t think Al Gore in his wildest dreams could have imagined how successful the “climate crisis” movement would become. It is probably safe to assume that this success is not so much the result of Gore’s charisma as it is humanity’s spiritual need to be involved in something transcendent – like saving the Earth.
After all, who wouldn’t want to Save the Earth? I certainly would. If I really believed that manmade global warming was a serious threat to life on Earth, I would be actively campaigning to ‘fix’ the problem.
But there are two practical problems with the theory of anthropogenic global warming: (1) global warming is (or at least was) likely to be a mostly natural process; and (2) even if global warming is manmade, it will be immensely difficult to avoid further warming without new energy technologies that do not currently exist.
On the first point, since the scientific evidence against global warming being anthropogenic is what most of the rest of this website is about, I won’t repeat it here. But on the second point…what if the alarmists are correct? What if humanity’s burning of fossil fuels really is causing global warming? What is the best path to follow to fix the problem?
Cap-and-Trade
The most popular solution today is carbon cap-and-trade legislation. The European Union has hands-on experience with cap-and-trade over the last couple of years, and it isn’t pretty. Over there it is called their Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS). Here in the U.S., the House of Representatives last Friday narrowly passed the Waxman-Markey bill. The Senate plans on taking up the bill as early as the fall of 2009.
Under cap-and-trade, the government institutes “caps” on how much carbon dioxide can be emitted, and then allows companies to “trade” carbon credits so that the market rewards those companies that find ways to produce less CO2. If a company ends up having more credits than they need, they can then sell those credits to other companies.
While it’s advertised as a “market-based” approach to pollution reduction, it really isn’t since the market did not freely choose cap-and-trade…it was imposed upon the market by the government. The ‘free market’ aspect of it just helps to reduce the economic damage done as a result of the government regulations.
The Free Market Makes Waxman-Markey Unnecessary
There are several serious problems with cap-and-trade. In the big picture, as Europe has found out, it will damage the economy. This is simply because there are as yet no large-scale, practical, and cost-competitive replacements for fossil fuels. As a result, if you punish fossil fuel use with either taxes or by capping how much energy is allowed to be used, you punish the economy.
Now, if you are under the illusion that cap-and-trade will result in the development of high-tech replacements for fossil fuels, you do not understand basic economics. No matter how badly you might want it, you can not legislate a time-travel machine into existence. Space-based solar power might sound really cool, but the cost of it would be astronomical (no pun intended), and it could only provide the tiniest fraction of our energy needs. Wind power goes away when the wind stops, and is only practical in windy parts of the country. Land-based solar power goes away when the sun sets, and is only practical in the sunny Southwest U.S. While I personally favor nuclear power, it takes forever to license and build a nuclear power plant, and it would take 1,000 1-gigawatt nuclear power plants to meet electricity demand in the United States.
And no one wants any of these facilities near where they live.
Fortunately, cap-and-trade legislation is not necessary anyway because incentives already exist – right now — for anyone to come up with alternative technologies for energy generation and energy efficiency. Taxpayers and consumers already pay for billions of dollars in both government research (through taxes) and private research (through the cost of goods and services) to develop new energy technologies.
Whoever succeeds in these efforts stands to make a lot of money simply because everything we do requires energy. And I do mean everything…even sitting there and thinking. Using your brain requires energy, which requires food, which requires fossil fuels to grow, distribute, refrigerate and cook that food.
Economic Competitiveness in the Global Marketplace
Secondly, when instituted unilaterally by a country, cap-and-trade legislation makes that country less competitive in the global economy. Imports and trade deficits increase as prices at home rise, while companies or whole industries close and move abroad to countries where they can be more competitive.
The Obama administration and congress are trying to minimize this problem by imposing tariffs on imports, but this then hurts everyone in all of the countries involved. Remember, two countries only willingly engage in trade with each other because it economically benefits both countries by reducing costs, thus raising the standard of living in those countries.
The Green Mafia
Third, cap-and-trade is a system that is just begging for cheating, bribing, and cooking the books. How will a company’s (or a farm’s) greenhouse gas emissions be gauged, and then monitored over time? A massive new bureaucracy will be required, with a litany of rules and procedures which have limited basis in science and previous experience.
And who will decide how many credits will initially be given by the government to each company/farm/industry? Does anyone expect that these decisions will be impartial, without political favoritism shown toward one company over another, or one industry over another? This is one reason why some high-profile corporations are now on the global warming bandwagon. They (or at least a few of their executives) are trying to position themselves more favorably in what they see to be an inevitable energy-rationed economic system.
Big Oil and Big Coal Will Not Pay for Cap-and-Trade
Fourth, it is the consumer – the citizen – who will pay for all of this, either in the form of higher prices, or reduced availability, or reduced economic growth. Companies have no choice but to pass increased costs on to consumers, and decreased profits to investors. You might think that “Big Business” will finally be paying their “fair share”, but Big Business is what provides jobs. No Big Business, no jobs.
The Green Jobs Illusion
Fifth, the allure of “green jobs” might be strong, but the economic benefit of those jobs is an illusion. The claim that many thousands of new green jobs will be created under such a system is probably true. But achieving low unemployment through government mandates does not create wealth – it destroys wealth.
Let me illustrate. We could have full employment with green jobs today if we wanted to. We could pay each other to dig holes in the ground and then fill the holes up again, day after day, month after month. (Of course, we’ll use shovels rather than backhoes to reduce fossil fuel use.) How’s that for a green jobs program?
My point is that it matters a LOT what kinds of jobs are created. Let’s say that today 1,000 jobs are required to create 1 gigawatt of coal-fired electricity. Now, suppose we require that electricity to come from a renewable source instead. If 5,000 jobs are needed to create the same amount of electricity with windmills that 1,000 jobs created with coal, then efficiency and wealth generation will be destroyed.
Sure, you can create as many green jobs as you want, but the comparative productivity of those jobs is what really matters. In the end, when the government manipulates the economy in such a fashion, the economy suffers.
And even if a market for green equipment (solar panels, windmills, etc.) does develop, there is little doubt that countries like China will be able to manufacture that equipment at lower cost than the United States. Especially considering all of our laws, regulations, limits, and restrictions.
So, What’s the Alternative?
If anthropogenic global warming does end up being a serious problem, then what can be done to move away from fossil fuels? I would say: Encourage economic growth, and burn fossil fuels like there is no tomorrow! Increased demand will lead to higher prices, and as long as the free market is allowed to work, new energy technologies will be developed.
As long a demand exists for energy (and it always will), there will be people who find ways to meet that demand. There is no need for silly awards for best inventions, etc., because the market value of those inventions will far exceed the value of any gimmicky, government-sponsored competitions.
Why are Politicians so Enamored by Cap-and-Trade?
Given the pain (and public backlash) the EU has experienced from two years’ experience with its Emissions Trading Scheme, why would our politicians ignore that foreign experience, as well as popular sentiment against cap-and-trade here at home, and run full-steam with eyes closed into this regulatory quagmire?
The only answer I can come up with is: more money and more power for government. As a former government employee, I am familiar with the mindset. While the goal of a private sector job is to create wealth, the government employee’s main job is to spend as much of that wealth as possible. A government agency’s foremost goal is self preservation, which means perpetuating a public need for the agency. The idea that our government exists to help enable a better life for its citizens might have been true 100 years ago, but today it is hopelessly naïve.
All Pain, No Gain
And finally, let’s remember what the whole purpose of carbon cap-and-trade is: to reduce future warming of the climate system. Even some prominent environmentalists are against Waxman-Markey because they do not believe it will substantially reduce carbon dioxide emissions here at home. To the extent that provisions are added to the bill to make it more palatable to politicians from agricultural states or industrial states, it then accomplishes even less of what it is intended to accomplish: reductions in carbon dioxide emissions.
And even if cap-and-trade does what is intended, the reduction in CO2 emissions as a fraction of global CO2 emissions will moderate future warming by, at most, around one tenth of a degree C by late in this century. That is probably not even measurable.
Of course, this whole discussion assumes that the climate system is very sensitive to our carbon dioxide emissions. But if the research we are doing is correct, then manmade global warming is being overestimated by about a factor of 5, and it is the climate system itself that causes climate change…not humans.
If that is the case, then nothing humanity does is going to substantially affect climate one way or the other. Indeed, given the fact that life on Earth depends upon the tiny amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, I continue to predict that more atmospheric CO2 will, in the end, be a good thing for life on Earth.
Yet, many politicians are so blinded by the additional political power and tax revenue that will come from a cap-and-trade system that they do not want to hear any good news from the science. For instance, in my most recent congressional testimony, the good news I presented was met with an ad hominem insult from Senator Barbara Boxer.
I can only conclude that some politicians actually want global warming to be a serious threat to humanity. I wonder why?
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This country has to get going again. To do that will need cheap, reliable abundant energy. This cap and trade, carbon tax,etc will not allow this.
Funny as a student of economic history mistakes of the Thirties appear as if they are being repeated.
Hopefully, this massive government intrusion will be stopped so we won’t get GREAT DEPRESSION II.
I actually read 1,000 pages of the dirty act last Friday. That is all the farther I got before they passed it. It is unbelievably intrusive in almost every aspect of life. This will do nothing positive for the environment, but it will enrich a lot of pols and people smart enough to game the system. It provides the groundwork for a lot of corruption.
I believe that the figure of 2.5 million jobs lost PER YEAR is a little low, perhaps half or more. This would be a huge disaster for our country and our remaining industry, and many millions of people would perish in poverty.
One place that is missing in the discussions about this act are the attacks on refrigerants. The act has them on a schedule that they are 1,430-14,000+ times as damaging as the demon CO2. That would make refrigeration and air conditioning prohibitively expensive when you go to buy those scam credits.
The act would serve two purposes. 1)It would enrich certain well placed individuals. 2) It would cripple the country to the point that our reduced prosperity would eventually lead to a reduced population. That is called eugenics. Do we recall a certain environmentalist wishing for a virus to wipe mankind from the earth? It is a common theme for environmentalists. That is why they fight energy usage of all types, and now refrigeration too.
Item two might sound a little extreme, but go and look into it. Check into ‘ol Zeke Emanuel, brother of Rahm, hanging with an old German eugenicist. Check the various “green” groups advocating population reduction or elimination.
The one place where the act almost stuck a toe in the water of getting it right is tariffs. Our framers actually advocated high tariffs and low taxes domestically. I believe it was Lincoln that asked if a piece of rail was US made of foreign. Loosely quoted, he said that with foreign trade, you give money and get a rail. With a US made rail, you get the money and the rail, and 40 men get a day’s work.
At the moment we have so much burden on producers with regulation, environmentalism, unions, and out of control lawsuit lottery, that we can not compete with moving production to third world countries. Either we need to dial back some of that liberalism or have protective measures at the border.
Energy is the very source of our prosperity. That is why it is constantly under attack by people that hate other people and American prosperity.
One final word of warning.. The buzz now is that it will NEVER pass the senate. That is a distraction to stop people from opposing it while they line up their senators. Be very vigilant. They want to smash this through while they are still in power and the sleeping giant of the population is still buying the algore CO2/AGW line of hokum.
When I wrote my congressman last week about this, I termed it the ‘Cripple American Prosperity and Exponential Growth of Government Act of 2009’.
I’m not sure if anyone mentioned this, but the government prefers cap and trade because it is hidden. The feel that most people won’t make the connection between C&T and the higher electric bills and gas costs (especially gas costs, which will be blamed on the “windfall profits” of “big oil”). That way, they can say “yay, we saved the planet!” without so much political backlash.
In the end, I’m not sure C&T would be as opaque as the Dems hope. It could make it rough for that party after a while.
An even bigger problem than C&T is the upcoming Copenhagen summit. C&T can be discarded by future congresses and administrations as the pain becomes too unpalatable. If we agree to an international treaty in Copenhagen, our constitution says that it must be adhered to, and that no act of congress can withdraw from it. We would need all of the other signatories to agree, but why would the developing countries agree to cut off all the money that we would be sending them? While C&T is a serious problem, Copenhagen could be the noose that would kill us off.
Most amusing in the cartoon at the top of this thread is the nameplate on the vehicle. It says: “NASA MARS ROVER.” But like the once well-intended alarmists it seems to have landed on Venus. The focus of famed astro-physicist Jim Hansen.
REPLY: Mars atmosphere is 95.32% CO2, but with very low pressure 0.13 psi, unlike Venus which has 96.5% CO2 and 1334 psi – Anthony
Leif Svalgaard (09:47:37) : I think in West Africa the absence is related to the trade winds…The lack of cyclones in the South Atlantic seems to be a meteorological mystery, I can’t find anyone who has a n explanation for it…Maybe it is cold currents? Interestingly, there was one (very recent) exception to the general rule down there (naturally blamed on AGW). At the time, however, the water off of South America was unusually cold compared to the air above.
Do you suppose we could throw California out of the Union?
Just a thought……..
David L. Hagen (08:18:25) :
For the first ever effort by a Senator at formal due diligence on anthropogenic global warming, see: Wong-Fielding Meeting on Global Warming – Documents,
http://joannenova.com.au/globalwarming/wong-fielding/7-carter-evans-franks-kininmonth-due-diligence-on-wong.pdf
The Preamble to this document is stunning. Thank you David.
Another Ian (03:13:39):
I’ve heard it that
“Daylight Saving” was the ultimate political delusion – let politicians think they controlled time.
Methinks this has now have been trumped
Absolutely agree… Daylight Saving Time is a waste of time, health and money. We have not seen any “savings” in our electricity bill. On the contrary, the expenses have increased.
We are living near Hades’s home: high temperatures during the summer and moderately cold during the winter. Most people here are poor people who cannot spend in domestic air conditioning equipment, so they have to struggle against sizzling temperatures with fans or sweat. The hour on which they go to bed is the usual hour they would go without DST, so sleep patterns are one hour lesser than under standard daylight time.
Roger Sowell (09:52:01) :
we get earthquakes, and maroons in the state legislature…
Don’t forget the hippies Roger; we’re lousy with hippies.
Roger Sowell (08:18:33) : “…” (on the importance of crude)
Thanks Roger. I’ll put those links on my to-read list (and I’ll read them, too!)
But I have got to know… what did you think about the gold comparison? Do you think, or does anyone in the field that you know think that exploration/exploitation costs are distorted by the erratic moves of the currencies, such that it renders the peak oil prophecy self-fulfilling?
henrychance (06:18:24) : “…” (on GDP and taxes)
Hello, Henry. Well, I WOULD agree with what you said, IF these were normal times.
However, for one, the multiplier has fallen off a cliff…
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/MULT
That pretty much does it in for any hope of taxation working. But that might have been what you were saying. I’m just not sure, though.
Anyway, imo, that fallen multiplier would take quite a bit of new debt (issuance of govt securities) to get back up to pre-fall levels. At least thats how I undertsand it.
What the multiplier is a reflection of, I think, is all that new money from the monetized long-term debt that the Fed started. It has gone from the long end of the securities to the short end, and there it sits earning a miniscule interest. Where else could it go?
There isn’t. Across the board, for the most part, is price deflation and banks aren’t exactly hungry for risk these days. Well, they could start to buy more gold. Its not a risk and its price has held up when all else has fallen. But they aren’t about to do that. Not yet anyway. No need to cause a stampede, especially when the government doesn’t want that.
So to get that money moving out to cause GDP to grow would require the creation and issuance of new govt securities, to act as a place holder for the money banks would then lend out. Ie, a point just over break-even of debt to GDP would require just a bit more debt than the amount of idle money they would be moving. To get a modest 2% GDP growth… Well, I’m pretty sure I don’t know how much new debt it would take, especially since there aren’t many buyers in the world today for govt debt (esp the US). But my first guess is: A WHOLE FRIGGIN’ LOT OF IT!
And if none of that made any sense… my apolgies. I’m on my second year in learning this stuff, so maybe I got it all wrong. 🙂
Nasif Nahle (09:35:48) :
Simple falsification of the formula derived from Arrhenius hypothesis on the thermophysical properties of carbon dioxide:
1. In the Permian, the concentration of carbon dioxide was 340 ppmV, lower than the current concentration (385 ppmV). Nevertheless, the anomaly of temperature was 10 °C. Contrasting with the 90s decade anomaly, which was 0.52 °C.
Only if you assume that the TSI and albedo in the Permian was the same as today, care to justify that?
Anthony
Here is an interesting poll from a Manufacturing Industry eMagazine.
http://mfrtech.com/articles/2293.html
By by U.S. manufacturing.
As we are discussing Dr Spencer and his views on C&T I would like to point out that he has just published his June Global Temperature at 0.00% deviation from 1979-2009 average. This in an interesting development as really it ought to increase with all the CO2 emissions President Obama is now trying to control. This in only one month but maybe we are indeed in for a period of steady or falling global temperatures. Time will show.
Flanagan (02:15:03) :
As a European, I really wonder where this idea that C&T has seriously damaged the EU economy comes from? It started in January 2005 and since then the GDP growth has been 2.1 (2005) 3.3 (2006) 3.1 (2007), while the GDP in 2008 went down to 1.8 because of the subprime crisis. In the US the evolution was 4.40 (2005) 3.20 (2006) 3.20 (2007) and 2 in 2008.
In other words, since it was implemented the GDP growth rate has comparatively increased in Europe while it decreased in the US. Or, at least, the were equal. So where’s the problem?
Flanagan,
We are bleeding resources and capital totally in vain.
Today the EU is in a deep economic crises and it’s getting worse.
People are confronted with reduced income and (much)higher energy bills.
As C&P real effects play at a longer time table I doubt if the EU will ever recover.
I really ask myself sometimes, where is your common sense?
Phil. (10:50:29) : Wouldn’t that just make the situation worse?
Ron and Pierre: 2009 is a very special year because of the crisis, and the US is doing even worse than EU. Unemployment in the US is now higher than in Europe – you known the crumbling continent with horribly reduced incomes.
” Neville (02:41:29) :
Roy left out one of the most important parts of the argument, the Indians and Chinese won’t play ball.
Most of the growth in emissions in the next 20, 30, 40 years will come from these 2 big countries each with a population of 1 billion plus and by 2040 they will emit around 50% of the planet’s co2.
….
In other words we cannot keep up with our reductions and match their growth in co2 in the years to come, therefore co2 levels must inevitably rise.”
Don’t miss the importance of the supposed tipping point above which positive feedback will cause runaway warming.
If India and China exhaust enough CO2 to reach the atmospheric concentrations that supposedly cause enough warming to cross the tipping point, everything the US and Europe do to diminish their exhaust will be in vain, the money wasted.
Remember the case for the need for immediate action to control the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is not based on the expected warming that CO2 will cause, but on the idea of a tipping point above which positive feedback will cause run-away warming.
The IPCC has corrected down its predictions of CO2-caused global warming so much that even their expected CO2-warming in itself is not enough to be catastrophic. It is the supposed tipping point and positive feedback mechanisms that cause the supposed catastrophes.
In the discussion about cap and trade I continuously miss this IMO essential point.
AGW-believers use the positive tipping point-positive feedback-runaway global warming argument to press for immediate action. Without the tipping point it makes obvious sense to take a few decades to develop cheap clean energy.
Now, if this supposed tipping point will be reached despite cap and trade in the US and Europa, then the best course of action is to pour money into research, hoping to come up with non-CO2 or low-CO2 energy that is so cheap that India and China will want to stop building coal plants.
My point is that even within their logic, it would then be a bad idea to spend huge amounts of money to change the US energy production using the inefficient and costly techniques now available.
Even within their logic, every dollar not spent on research would be a dollar wasted.
What are the exact predictions James Hansen cs make? I keep hearing that the effect of cap and trade will be very small. At what concentration of CO2 are we told that the tipping point will happen? What temperature is that supposed to be? And if India and China build enough coal plants to give every one of their citizens about as much energy as us westerners, will they then have reached that concentration of CO2?
Please excuse the OT, well maybe not as OT as some. But this looks very interesting:
http://climateresearchnews.com/2009/07/new-paper-cosmic-ray-decreases-affect-atmospheric-aerosols-and-clouds/
Since my post on cap&trade seems to have been deleted I’ll try again.
James H (10:22:49) :
I’m not sure if anyone mentioned this, but the government prefers cap and trade because it is hidden. The feel that most people won’t make the connection between C&T and the higher electric bills and gas costs (especially gas costs, which will be blamed on the “windfall profits” of “big oil”). That way, they can say “yay, we saved the planet!” without so much political backlash.
Maybe it’s because having tried it for 15yrs they know that it works?
Interesting that Spencer chose the European example rather than the US one.
http://www.epa.gov/airmarkt/progress/arp04.html
REPLY: Phil. if it was deleted, it wasn’t intentional. We are getting quite a spam barrage lately, I’m wholesale deleting dozens of spam posts at a time. Sometimes legitimate comments that have links get put in the spam filter automatically. Holiday weekends are prime-time for such attacks since most system admins are off for holiday. So here’s your new comment. Other commentators take note. If your post disappears, and is not restored within a couple of hours, try again. – Anthony
Reply 2: It is possible I accidentally deleted on of Phil.’s posts yesterday, but I can’t be sure. I responded to it, then it disappeared. That is why I took myself out of the exchange and embargoed for Anthony to deal with. ~ charles the moderator
Phil. (11:15:38) : That’s extremely misleading. The “working” is the result of technology NOT the trading scheme. There is not simple fix in this case.
To put it more simply: Spencer used the European example because to use “the US one” would be comparing Apples to Oranges.
Phil. (10:50:29) :
Nasif Nahle (09:35:48) :
1. In the Permian, the concentration of carbon dioxide was 340 ppmV, lower than the current concentration (385 ppmV). Nevertheless, the anomaly of temperature was 10 °C. Contrasting with the 90s decade anomaly, which was 0.52 °C.
Only if you assume that the TSI and albedo in the Permian was the same as today, care to justify that?
Dim Sun, Pangaea and high volumes of ice were covering extensive areas of sea and land so albedo was higher than at present and humidity was very low. A concentration of carbon dioxide of 340 ppmV does not justify either the increase of temperature of 10 °C, once the ice age finished. Intense volcanism increased many years after the increase of temperature. Something enlightening is that the warmhouse in the Early Permian occurred through an icehouse period, so the occurrence of that icehouse is not explained either by the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. For the Permian icehouse could occur under Arrhenius’ fantasies adopted by the IPCC, the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere should have been from 0 to 5 ppmV. Well, the concentration of carbon dioxide in the Permian atmosphere was 340 ppmV and the warmhouse occurred during a period of icehouse.
If you follow the UK this is your future
A driver spending £25 a week on fuel spends around £1,300 a year at the pumps – £882.93 of which is tax. Another 2p rise would bring the average driver’s total spend on fuel tax to £911.76 a year.
http://www.petrolprices.com/blog/budget-will-fuel-tax-go-up-again-116.html
Apparently before the tax is added we have the cheapest fuel in Europe.
John Peter (10:58:34) :
As we are discussing Dr Spencer and his views on C&T I would like to point out that he has just published his June Global Temperature at 0.00% deviation from 1979-2009 average. This in an interesting development as really it ought to increase with all the CO2 emissions President Obama is now trying to control. This in only one month but maybe we are indeed in for a period of steady or falling global temperatures. Time will show.
May and June show a substantial minimum in UAH it usually rises in July.
Flanagan (11:13:37) :
Ron and Pierre: 2009 is a very special year because of the crisis, and the US is doing even worse than EU. Unemployment in the US is now higher than in Europe – you known the crumbling continent with horribly reduced incomes.
Flanagan,
There is no average EU unemployment figure.
Take it per country.
What to think about Spain?
The more wind mills, the higher the unemployment rate?
+18% is the current number for Spain.
Other European countries are catching up fast.