Related story:
Source inside EPA confirms claims of science being ignored, suppressed, by top EPA management
by Richard Morrison, Competitive Enterprise Institute
Washington, D.C., June 26, 2009—The Competitive Enterprise Institute is today making public an internal study on climate science which was suppressed by the Environmental Protection Agency. Internal EPA email messages, released by CEI earlier in the week, indicate that the report was kept under wraps and its author silenced because of pressure to support the Administration’s agenda of regulating carbon dioxide.
The report finds that EPA, by adopting the United Nations’ 2007 “Fourth Assessment” report, is relying on outdated research and is ignoring major new developments. Those developments include a continued decline in global temperatures, a new consensus that future hurricanes will not be more frequent or intense, and new findings that water vapor will moderate, rather than exacerbate, temperature.
New data also indicate that ocean cycles are probably the most important single factor in explaining temperature fluctuations, though solar cycles may play a role as well, and that reliable satellite data undercut the likelihood of endangerment from greenhouse gases. All of this demonstrates EPA should independently analyze the science, rather than just adopt the conclusions of outside organizations.
The released report is a draft version, prepared under EPA’s unusually short internal review schedule, and thus may contain inaccuracies which were corrected in the final report.
“While we hoped that EPA would release the final report, we’re tired of waiting for this agency to become transparent, even though its Administrator has been talking transparency since she took office. So we are releasing a draft version of the report ourselves, today,” said CEI General Counsel Sam Kazman.
Read the censored report here:
http://cei.org/cei_files/fm/active/0/DOC062509-004.pdf
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Congratulations, Anthony. Your expose on the EPA shennanigans was referenced by Iain Murray today on National Review Online’s “The Corner,”
http://www.nro.com. That should get WUWT a lot of visitors, and this topic a lot of attention from people who have lost confidence in this administration’s promises of transparency and non-ideological science.
Oh, and per Australia dumping it’s cap and tax bill: Australian markets are continuing to outperform the U.S. markets. I’ve stepped aside from the JJG grain trade (due to the price rolling down after a long run up) and I’m waiting for a re-entry. This is a normal “correction” in a long positive run. Accuweather (on Bloomberg) reported a hurricane lurking in the Gulf of Mexico south likely to be mid gulf next week (look for gas and diesel to rise and maybe natural gas too) as the gulf production is threatened – it will depend on the strength and where it hits). This is a common “hurricane trade” theme. Happens each year. Rises on the risk, sell when the track is known (any gain is already in by then, don’t wait for the actual results, they are not as bad as the panic expects).
One other sidebar: Another guest on Varney’s show runs a fund based on the thesis that when government is out of session, stocks do MUCH better. ALL he does is by the S&P 500 when congress is on vacation and hold cash or equivalent when it is in session. In the last year+ a bit his fund has lost about 2% while the S&P is down over 25% … An astounding outperformance. A trick I’ll be adopting in some modified form. I’ve used the tag line “The Ministry Of Stupidity Speaks” for the market drops that happen when some government turkey says stupid things and drives market drops – never thought of using it congress wide 😉 Congress is on vacation next week through July 5. Hmmm…
So Cap and Tirade may pass the House today, today Dow is down. Next week nothing will happen in congress. Then the Senate returns next month… I think I can work with that 8-}
Oh, and the oil companies have started to “leak” that if Cap & Tirade passes, they will import more products from overseas and shut down refineries here in the U.S.A. India just had a large refinery built “for export trade”… as did Saudi Arabia. Gee, wonder where we’ll be buying our gas?…
But we will be reducing our carbon emissions from refining… and that will be saving the planet! The government told me so!!
/sarcoff>
Oh, and the Canadian oils have strongly outperformed the U.S. oils (PCZ PetroCanada, which I own, and SU that I wish I owned, in particular). Folks clearly expect the “products” to come from outside the US and expect congress critters to, well, speak…
“”” Steve Keohane (10:20:42) :
tj (09:06:26) When my son was born in 1978, we used well water. Concerned about not having flourine in the water, we gave him flouride tablets for the first year. He probably received a higher dose than that acquired via tap water, and never has had a cavity. Most every substance has a toxicity level, but we need trace amounts of many things that are ‘toxic’ in larger doses. Declaring something ‘toxic’ isn’t a valid argument against it, just like CO2. “””
What you say may be true Steve; but has it ever occurred to you just how insane it is to put fluoride in the water. Public water supplies comprise billions of gallons used every year. less than one part per million of public water supplies is actually drunk by human beings; yet they dose the whole lot. Why not add cough syrup and oral contraceptives to the water too.
Industry on the other hand spends millions of dollars every year just to take out all that useless fluoride that do-gooders add to public water supplies.
Why did you give your kid fluoride tablets; doesn’t he brush his teeth. You can get all the fluoride anyone needs if you use a fluoride toothpaste; which is sold specifically for tooth care.
I’ve never ever purchased toothpaste; or shaving cream either; both are simply a waste of money; and I don’t drink tapwater; I can’t stand the stink of the chlorine they put in it (ozone killer); but I do recognize it may be necessary to keep even more dangerous things out of public water supplies.
A kid who takes fluoride tablets, and drinks tap water, and brushes his teeth with fluoride TP, will end up with fluorine poisoning. Parents could at least control their kids fluorine intake, it it wasn’t everywhere around them; like in public water supplies.
Yes I do have good teeth; a result of eating good food.
It’s a peculiar thing. the legislature sets up these agencies to “do the science” for them and then to also make rules. It makes sense to me in the context of something like game laws – you have an agency that watches the conditions and sets bag limits. In the case of this greenhouse gas thing though, it seems everyone is ignorant but most won’t admit it (experts especially). Nothing good is going to come of this until people start admitting the science isn’t settled, and I can’t imagine how that is going to come about. Small parts of the science may be settled but most points of the grand thesis are uncertain. Monckton produced a nice list of the things that needed to be proven for anthropogenic global warming to truly be a crisis. Now I am damned if I can find it….. He’s got a lot of good stuff out there.
Here is one of the few non-MSM press sources carrying this story.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=102031
Is it at all odd to anyone that the MSM has found convenience in carrying the gasping news of two celebrity deaths AND a great big Governor sex scandal, just as the Congress is voting to bankrupt the nation??
Virtually pathetic.
Tell me Robert; you’re a Latin Scholar; right ?
Latin is one of those things that you hate taking but you love having taken.
Dixunt Caesares bellici
Vini veni vidi vici
So what’s the punch line?
We get punched.
Reagarding dhogaza – are we ruffling some feathers?
Scraping a few scales, maybe.
I’ve seen and taken note of dhogaza posts for awhile on other sites and now googling and reading their comments in more detail, most being very crude and inflammatory.
Well I have learned a few new words from him. Well, okay, not very nice words.
evanmjones (12:19:50) :
Latin is one of those things that you hate taking but you love having taken.
Good point. I actually enjoyed Latin at school and came second in the class. I particularly recall the phrases: “sic biscuitus disintegratum” and “nil carborundum illegitum”.
The story has been picked up in NYT:
Two EPA Staffers Question Science Behind Climate ‘Endangerment’ Proposal
By ROBIN BRAVENDER of Greenwire
Published: June 26, 2009
Thanks to you Anthony,
New York Times picks it up…
http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2009/06/26/26greenwire-two-epa-staffers-question-science-behind-clima-89720.html
E.M.Smith (11:24:39) :
“One other sidebar: Another guest on Varney’s show runs a fund based on the thesis that when government is out of session, stocks do MUCH better. ALL he does is by the S&P 500 when congress is on vacation and hold cash or equivalent when it is in session. In the last year+ a bit his fund has lost about 2% while the S&P is down over 25%”
On its face, that’s not all that impressive. You would expect in a bear market that you could cut losses by not participating during the full year. After all, if he held cash equivalent for both the preriods when Congress was in session, and out of session, he would cut his losses further. If Congress was on vacation for 1/6 of the year (2 months) then that alone would count for a cut from 25% to about 4% just because you are not participating in the declining market for 5/6 of the year.
Hi all,
More commentary here: http://www.examiner.com/x-9111-SF-Environmental-Policy-Examiner~y2009m6d26-Comment-on-EPAs-stonewalling-the-global-warming-report
Two second take-away: You guys are the good guys. Hope you’re the right guys, too.
Thanks Tom, someday I’ll tell you about how I used to be completely on the other side of this issue, and actively worked to mitigate CO2 with 174 TV stations in the USA. – Anthony
Of course RealClimate does not agree with the paper.
But then, GISS has never published a climate model forecast that has been anywhere near accurate yet.
Has anyone seen one?
More accurately, GISS has only published one forecast that could be checked against actual temperatures and it is off by more than half so far. (And they put the 2003 hindcast version of Model E on-line and its components would be way off as well if extended forward).
All the other GISS forecasts are demonstrated by a thick squiggly line drawn in “crayon” going out to the year 2100 so one can’t check it for accuracy until 40 or 50 years from now.
They need to publish some forecasts that can be checked for actual predictive power. Would any other field of science accept projections from a model that doesn’t produce any figures or projections that can actually be reviewed – we are just supposed to accept their word in effect.
Tom Fuller (13:01:59) :
Two second take-away: You guys are the good guys. Hope you’re the right guys, too.
“Since the ‘warmist’ position seems to be that the discussion cannot be reopened at all costs, it leads to an impasse where the ‘warmists’ tend to look truculent and arrogant, while the skeptics look reasonable and rational. Which could end up very wrongly deciding the politics of this issue instead of the science.”
Tom, thanks for the praisee. A quick question about the quote from the end of the article above.
Did you mean that the warmists refusal to debate means the politicians will have to base their decision on out of date science?
Or did you mean the skeptics appear to be more reasonable and rational and this could falsely influence politicians instead of them basing their decisions on the science ?
Or did you intend the ending to be ambiguous to keep both feet on the fence as an impartial observer and to allow both sides to take away their own interpretation?
Or did you mean something else completely?
Thanks and well done for raising the profile of the issues around the EPA’s actions in this affair.
To Steve Keohane. Fluoride literally kills in very minute doses. Children have died in dental chairs. Let me quote Dr. James Sumner at Cornell University, an early opponent. “We ought to go slowly. Everybody knows fluorine and fluorides are very poisonous substances… We use them in enzyme chemistry to poison enzymes, those vital agents in the body. That is the reason thins are poisoned; because the enzymes are poisoned and that is why animals and plans die.”
“It is known that many enzymes are inhibited (poisoned) in test tubes at the level at which water is fluoridated (1ppm) or less.” (Dr. Paul Connett.) Every system in your body needs its enzymes, can killing them be worth the risk?
I, too, followed standard dental procedure with my children, but later after looking at both sides of the issue, I am filled with remorse that I did. Continental Europe does not fluoridate or chlorinate yet their citizens are at least as healthy, and, I am guessing here, probably more healthy than US citizens.
I only go back to this off-topic issue because it explains so well why so many are confused and misled about AGW. Please read the REAL SCIENCE and, like Anthony and AGW, you will no doubt change your stance.
sorry –things and plants
tallbloke (11:10:36) :
‘Just listened to some of the debate on c-span. Plenty of rhetoric about jobs on both sides, but nothing querying the science so far.’
CO2 Cap and Tax has never been about science. It has always been about a New Tax Revenue stream. Next New Tax Revenue stream will be a tax on Oxygen.Then, we will truly have an incoming and outgoing Tax system.
Taxed with every breath we take!
Great summing up from Joe Barton. And he raised the EPA suppression of Carlin’s report too!
Well done Anthony and the WUWT team and contributors, and thanks again to Tom Fuller for his quick work.
i am ot familiar with us law, but isn’t this issue also worth a letter to the district attorney to initiate a criminal investigation ?
John Boehner is going through the 300 page amendment page by page. And the speaker supports his extra use of time. Awesome.
Reading the draft, it sounded like a summary of WUWT since I began reading it. The report looks like it included most of the skeptic views on global warming. I think the point really was not that each and every area was right or wrong but that there was still a lot of disagreement on climate science and what the future holds.
re tallbloke comment above regarding John Boehner,
I have never used the C-span service before, does it usually break up as much. ?
That said, I think he may well have turned the “debate”.
Whatever the outcome I look forward to the future reports of his speech,
it appears to be a turning point regarding AGW / consensus “tactics” and methods.
I wonder if this is the American version of the “politicians expenses” in the UK,
ie something so absolutely unjustifiable that the 3.09am “amendent” will open many peoples eyes to what has been happening for long, to so many quiet unsung heroes (usually referred to as actual, real, honest scientists, and bloggers, interested amateurs)..
I hope Tom Fuller is prepared for the drubbing he is going to be receiving for daring to say that maybe, just MAYBE, the science isn’t settled. Hardly a ringing endorsement of the skeptic position, but a stand against the orthodoxy, none-the-less.
I hope, whatever side he considers himself on, he retains his courage.
Here’s another intrepid columnist who is unafraid to report the suppression story:
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/06/26/epa-plays-hide-and-seek-suppressed-report-revealed/
There are not very many out there in the (cyber) space we have access to. MSM has put their hands firmly over their eyes on this one.
Mr. Carlin appears to be a man of integrity who should be staunchly defended from reprisal of any kind. The only way to the truth is to protect those who deliver it.
once you understand that global warming happens naturally at .05% every 100 years, there is really no reason to panic. I have not followed any of the hoopla behind it although the media once again wanted to strike fear in the bleeding hearts of the masses…Gore a scientist and ecologist HAH
Hey! Carbongate made the IBD Editorial Page!
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=330911757213432
/Mr Lynn