In my previous post I pointed out how when Warren Meyer asked a simple question; “is this chart representative?” of himself, he needed only one phone call to disprove that a chart in the newly released Global Climate Change Impacts in the United States from the National Climatic Data Center (see NCDC GCCI Government Report). The chart purported to show a threat increase to the national electrical grid due to severe weather was really not a weather trend at all, but a trend of increased reporting thanks to increased diligence by the owner of the data in getting electrical utilities to cooperate and send in their data.
In another recent post on the FUBAR climate records from the failed ASOS weather station temperature sensor at Honolulu International Airport, I showed a nearby comparison station, the Honolulu Observatory, that is a GISS station that apparently no longer reports. I wrote –
But the nearby Honolulu Observatory temperature record doesn’t seem to have much of a trend, though it no longer measures temperature for climate records, a pity:
Yes it sure seemed like the Honolulu Observatory stopped reporting in 1981. It also looks like the station was moved about 1949, or something happened around the station environment.
UPDATE: I got this via email on the morning of 6/19
The Geomag operations of the Honolulu observatory were moved in 1947.
Jeffrey J Love
USGS Advisor for Geomagnetic Research
Steve McIntyre, who has pointed out on many occasions to NASA GISS how they can find some of their long long stations that are actually still running popped in today to ask a simple question about reporting. It was not unlike the question about reporting Warren Meyers asked:
Does anyone know why the Honolulu Observatory data ends in the 1980s? Did they stop measuring or did GHCN stop collecting the information from them?
It was a simple question, with a surprising answer.
A couple of days ago I had looked at nearby stations to the Honolulu Airport to use for a data comparison to see just how much bias the failed ASOS sensor had generated. My first choice was the Honolulu Observatory, but like Steve I quickly found it had stopped reporting, at least according to GISS.
But with Steve’s question today, and remembering that he and Climate Audit readers have found missing GISS stations that are not updated in the GISTEMP database, but are actually still live and reporting, I thought I’d check again. I reasoned that observatories don’t generally close or relocate, so why would they stop doing a science service like measuring climate?
When Warren needed to get an answer to his question, all he needed to do was to make a phone call (presumably after a Google search). In my case I did a Google Search and sent a single email to get Steve’s question answered.
My first stop was to NCDC’s MMS database of station information. I looked up “Honolulu Observatory”. Sure enough, there it was, and listed as “current” too.

Eureka, it is still in operation! It is an MMTS temperature sensor and it looks like they have a backup thermometer in a Stevenson Screen aka “Cotton Region Shelter”.
“That was easy”, I thought to myself. followed by, “OK, let me get a look at the data”. So I zipped over to the NCDC COOP data section where I could look at the B91 reports from the station observer which are raw data archived as PDF’s.
It was there I hit a brick wall.It looked like it had been long closed. After all that’s what GISS reported.
The closing dates on the two “”Honolulu Observatory” entries didn’t match, but I’ve seen plenty of fouled up dates and locations on station data in the MMS database so it didn’t raise an eyebrow with me. More on that later.
But oddly, I had the NCDC MMS database telling me it was open. So I pressed on. My next task was to locate the “Honolulu Observatory” and find out if it was still in operation. Some Googling turned up this:
I located the USGS web page for the observatory, and from there found the name of the curator, Dr. Jeffrey Love. Since this is a geomagnetic observatory, I figured our resident solar physicist, Dr. Leif Svalgaard might have some connections, and asked him for an introduction. He was happy to assist, and within the hour I had an email contact from Dr. Love. He asked what I was looking for, and I explained the NOAA COOP station setup. He immediately replied saying:
“We don’t operate that station anymore, NOAA does. We used to be part of NOAA, but became part of USGS in the late 1970’s”
I was initially worried until I read:
“It is now operated by the Pacific Tsunami Warning Center.”
Oh. Well, I still figured the station had moved, and was nowhere near it’s original location, which is why GISS couldn’t get any data from it. Then I noticed this on the USGS observatory web page:
“The observatory is operated for the USGS, under terms of a memorandum of agreement, by the Pacific Tsunami Warning Center of NOAA.”
Hmmm. A little more checking and I discovered that these two organizations do indeed share a common address. Better yet, the weather station apparently had not been moved. Both the USGS observatory and the PTWC were within a hundred yards of the station coordinates I got from NCDC ‘s MMS and plotted on Google Earth:

My first thought was that the location looked a bit cooler than the acres of asphalt surrounding the ASOS at Honolulu International Airport:

But I still had to find the data. My next stop was an email to the media contact for PTWC, Delores Clark, to inquire if she knew where to find it. A few hours later I had my answer:
Mr. Watts:
The data are available online at:
http://www.prh.noaa.gov/hnl/hydro/daily_rosa_archive/rosa_archive.php
If you need further assistance, please let me know.
Aloha,
Delores Clark
I was dumbstruck. Because, just a couple of days ago I had in fact looked at that very archive, trying to find the data I was seeking. Not finding “Honolulu Observatory” in the NWS COOP report, I didn’t look much further:
But at the time, I had no way of knowing that PTWC was the new name for “Honolulu Observatory”. Up until today after my roundabout search I never would have given that four letter acronym another thought.
The name changed when the jurisdiction changed, but apparently nobody notified NCDC, and the change never found it’s way into the GHCN database.
For all practical purposes, the station was dead to the climate world, known only to the local NWS office in Honolulu. Plus, their main interest is in rainfall, not temperature, since they place the data on their hydrology page:
A simple lack of interagency reporting caused a whole cascade down the line, and a climate station that was once “lost” has now been “found”. It wasn’t quite as simple as Warren Meyer’s phone call, but if a citizen outside of the governmental loop can figure this out in a couple of hours, why can’t agencies like NCDC and GISS? Especially when knowing this sort of thing is is their job? Are there no flags that go up anywhere when data suddenly disappears?
So from this point it was easy for me to find the data I was looking for and run the comparison between the “Honolulu Observatory” and the Honolulu International Airport ASOS station. First a geographic comparison from Google Earth:

Downloading each daily report from PTWC and PHNL individually, I manually collated the data from both stations and put them into an ASCII file for import into my Dplot graphing program. I’ve saved a combination file of the two datasets here as a PDF for inspection. PHNL-PTWC-June09-data If anybody needs the individual station reports, the source URL’s are in the PDF file, they’ll still be on the NWS server for a few days before they get rotated out.
Unfortunately, there were two days of PTWC data missing, though all days of the PHNL ASOS data were intact. Also, I had all of the false record event reports from the PHNL ASOS previously archived.
So I plotted the two high/low datasets side by side to get an idea of just how much bias there was between the two stations. Fortunately, the stations were only 3.9 miles apart, and about the same distance inland from the beach, though the airport station ocean exposure suffers a bit from the extra runway that was apparently added as ocean fill at some point. Geographically the stations seem reasonably compatible in their placement on the south coast of Oahu.
The data from the two stations, when plotted side by side, was telling. I marked missing data, the record high events, and when the ASOS was repaired.

Note when the highs (Tmax) converged for the first time this month to within one degree of each other, right after the equipment was repaired. The greatest separation is in the nighttime lows, which would be expected due to the runway asphalt influence at PHNL Lows tend to be affected more by heat retaining surfaces at night.
Note also that during the string of record highs from the 10th to the 15th, the two stations diverged mostly by six degrees F, The NWS originally admitted in their TV Interview to two degrees error, and that may be true from the HNL airport location since it is indeed a sea of asphalt.
“ASOS…placed for aviation purposes…not necessarily for climate purposes.”
Six degrees difference in the Tmax for at least 5 days. Many other days of record were 4 or 5 degrees difference. One day was 9 degrees difference.
But, which station is more representative of Oahu’s climate? The airport, or the observatory in the grove of native ground cover? I don’t think all of Oahu is paved yet.
So the big question to NOAA/NWS Honolulu is:
Do you still think these records are valid and worth keeping in the climatic database and record events database?
The big question for GISS is:
Would you like your lost station back so you can update the data?






I wonder if temperatures are collected just as carelessly in the rest of the world. Maybe one should start by looking at those regions that show suspiciously high temperatures? (Siberia anyone?)
Stephen Skinner (05:20:44) :
Check this out:
Tsunami of Mass Hysteria…
Indeed!
Well Done Anthony. I admire your ” sense of smell”. IMHO, the bottom line is that agencies that used to inspire cofidemce and pride, have been sullied with shoddy attention to detail. NASA and NOAA for two. I recall the 50s and 60s when someone worked for NASA, they were viewed with admiration and awe. Sadly that admiration has been replaced with ” so what”.
No question that this is an excellent site. I would like to support Lucy Skywalker’s suggestion, but agenda and total lack of honor have discredited the Nobel Peace Prize. You are certainly worthy of praise, however.
Anthony,
Are you sure FUBAR is the right term to use here?
Most of these people all these posts are meant for may not know what FUBAR means. You may have to be a bit more descriptive. HA!!
In adition to my last posting, altough entirely off topic, I would like to address the consequences of a reduction in food production caused by continuous bad weather conditions effecting the worlds major food crops.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090619/D98TO4B81.html
We are in a very vulenerable situation right now and it should top all political agenda’s world wide because we are heading for the biggest famine in human history. If agricultural production output falls below world wide demand, no money in the world will solve this problem.
I posted all this on the Houston Chronicle web page under a story about how May was the 4th hottest month in decades and it’s amazing how the story gets removed once someone presents hard evidence to the contrary. These people (journalists) are managing the message no question about it. I’m going to keep presenting the facts and questioning the answers that have now questions. Thanks Anthony for this forum, again, again,…..
Anthony,
I am a huge fan of your work. Please keep it up. Isn’t it odd how (almost) every bias I have heard about skews the “offical” temperature record upward, supporting the lie/hoax/fantasy of AGW?
But I must take exception with those who want you to be awarded a Nobel Prize. The Nobel Prize has been degraded to the point where I don’t think it is a desirable reward for excellence. Until the Nobel committee rescinds some of the prizes given to now-discredited “science”, especially the one given to the clowns at the IPCC and head-clown Vice-President Al Gore, I have no interest in who they give prizes to. Anthony, you deserve better.
SY
REPLY: I don’t want any prizes. I just want the data to be right, no matter what it says. – Anthony
Excellent detective work! A great example of how a persistent pursuit of truth in any field pays off.
Naturally they chose to keep the erroneous data gleaned from the faulty station and ignore the more meaningful data from the “lost” station down the road. Hopefully you’ve shamed then into correcting the record.
Damn, but you’re good, Mr. Watts!
OT but someone mentioned AGW doctrine, to me that means straw man and ad hominem in combo. On that note here is an article about Ian Plimers book Heaven and Earth, the moon landings are mentioned in the first sentence so you know there are no straw man arguments involved. : )
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,25433059-5003900,00.html
Thanks for being here Anthony, you are really doing a great service to humanity. In today’s maelstrom of climate lunacy, you offer terra firma to anchor sanity.
Great detective work Anthony!!
As I noticed on my preliminary survey of Olga, WA, there was no Stevenson Screen in sight, even though it was noted as backup equipment in the NWS database. See the pics here.
Their recordkeeping is truly horrendous.
Anthony, is Michael R. Fox still doing editorials for a Hawaiian paper? He’d be an excellent person to run this.
GISS provides its raw data, and its UHI adjustment methods. How about substituting this station for the other one, and seeing what the results are for that station?
GlennB that video was amazing. It brings all new meaning to the term “blown away”.
In the last Michigan gubernatorial race, Governor Granholm proclaimed; “and in five years you are going to be blown away!” Now I know what she meant.
The discrepancy on the lows is even worse.
J. D. Lindskog (07:03:52) :
Kudos Anthony, well done.
I would also extend a note of appreciation to the government employees and others who WERE co-operative and forthcoming. This is a classic exhample of ‘admistrative drag’, to use an aviators’ term, that exists in large diverse organizations (read Goverment). I don’t see any enemies here, just human beings being human.
J.D Lindskog,
Although I can agree that individual employees are cooperative and forthcomming we have to weigh the official reports to judge any (Government)organization.
This recent PDF produced by Joseph D’Aleo unfortunately provides us with a much different picture.
We can’t close our eyes to the facts, can’t we?
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/NOAAMAY.pdf
Another 6 miles or so to the northwest, still on the coast, is the old Barbers Pt. station,
Which was in GISTEMP, up until 1999. Its actually nearer than the Oahu station described above as ‘nearby’. Here is the data http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/gistemp_station.py?id=425911780020&data_set=2&num_neighbors=1
BTW Honolulu is classed as an urban station. According to the GISTEMP methodology The GHCN/USHCN/SCAR data are modified in two steps to obtain station data from which our tables, graphs, and maps are constructed. In step 1, if there are multiple records at a given location, these are combined into one record; in step 2, the urban and peri-urban (i.e., other than rural) stations are adjusted so that their long-term trend matches that of the mean of neighboring rural stations. Urban stations without nearby rural stations are dropped.
Now the nearest rural station with coverage to the present day is Lihue, 163Km away, so it seems likely that the problematic ASOS station is not included in the GISTEMP estimate of global temperature trends. Here is the graph for Lihue, btw
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/gistemp_station.py?id=425911650000&data_set=2&num_neighbors=1
With regard to Nobel prizes, they are not all the same. The Peace prize is awarded by a committee of the Norwegian government, wheras the science prizes (the “real” ones) are awarded by the Swedish Academy of Sciences.
No(bel) prizes for guessing which one is degraded by being politically correct…. (sorry, couldn’t resist)
This tale reminds me of the movie “The Hunt for Red October” when the US Secretary of Defense, near the end of the movie, responds to his Soviet counterpart “You’ve lost another submarine?”
Hi Anthony:
Sorry for the unrelated comment, but I thought you and your readers would be interested in this new short from the European Union. It uses the sport of Roller Derby to teach kids about science and electricity. It’s quick and is wildly entertaining!
Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ9G2OL9ERo
Thanks for your attention!
Mark
George DeBusk
“They show the ground warmed for some distance behind the plane just as a result of an idling jet motor.”
Can you find the IR photo please? I’m sure you are correct as this is also the case with a motor vehicle, but the detail would be how long after a jet had been idling and what was the temperature difference to the surrounding. However, to affect a temperature readings the sensor would have to be on the taxi way itself, or constantly downwind of idling jets, and if I wanted to get a temperature bias from the jets at NHL I wouldn’t put it where it is. In the image on Google earth the sensor is upwind of any jet activity that could affect it. Anyway, my main point was the higher temperature at the airport is to do with tarmac and concrete not the jets.
JoeS
“Jet Engine Exhaust Gas Temperatures (EGT) can range from 400 F to well over 1000 F.”
Hi Joe
Yes, this is the temperature at the point of exit from the engine as measured by the sensor in the engine. To measure these temperatures externally to the engine you would have to be very close, although it is likely the sensor would be destroyed by the blast. The tempeature disipates quickly otherwise the YouTube of those people in St Maarten should show burning clothes at least.
GlennB (07:45:56) :
Hi Glenn
Funny, I was showing this clip to a friend only yesterday. Yes, I am well aware but this is blast not temperature, but I think you just be sharing this with me.
All
Of course, if anything is giving off heat it will be part of the overall heat budget and this could affect local temperature readings, but it is a question of how much and is it. My initial reaction was to a previous commentator who considered the rise in temperature at NHL from the 50s was due to jets. I recall a UK person called ‘Swampy’ who was objecting to aviation and when his figures were challenged he replied “I don’t care about the numbers it’s the symbolism”.