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One thing you can say about AGW alarmists, they are passionate. But passion doesn’t usually equate to factual discourse, as demonstrated so well on Joe Romm’s Climate Progress blog this week by guest blogger Kyle Gracey:
In 2050, I’ll be 77, and given the pace of the climate talks in Bonn these two weeks, I’ll likely spend most of my retirement either under water or on fire.
Sillier words may never have been written.
Of course, if you can’t dazzle ’em with prose, doing a rap music gig for climate delegates is always sure to beat out factual discourse any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
We rapped and rhymed about the threatened survival of nations and developed countries’ weak financing proposals.
I just wonder how well the “negotiators” take to being adopted?
http://adoptanegotiator.org/2009/06/12/rap-how-old-will-you-be-in-2050/
Of course this isn’t the first time rap music has been used to make a point about climate. It happened earlier this year when Dr. James Hansen of NASA Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS) opened for a rap trio at the capital climate action protest that (ahem) according to their own claims “closed down” the coal fired power plant in Washington D.C.
Dr. Jim Hansen gets ready to deliver his message at the protest. Dressed like that, I’m not sure what the message is.
The hemp hat trio sings for the crowd right after Hansen’s address.
I wonder if Jimbo will start his own record label to help the climate rap effort?
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Leland Palmer Says:
Tipping poins
Radical change
1,000 times more emissions.
They use such drama and extreme expressions. I read on climate progress and the terror of methane excaping from thawing thermafrost is rapid, massive and deadly. I can’t tell why they are so irrational. therma frost will not all melt and melt to a great depth suddenly. If we had warming, every few years there would be melting a few miles further Northward or a few more inches downward.
It reminds me of M.D’s when they go on medical missions. Most villages in some countries have their own witchdoctors. The witchdoctor is threatened and calls for sudden curses and claims rapid destruction. He threatens to hurt people that seek medical help. We had the same with sorcerors thousands of years ago. Fear of loss of power drives the fearmongering.
The psychology of fearmongering is fascinating.
Graeme Rodaughan (20:31:20) :
Hmmm… I see an upswing in the market by 2050 for,
[1] Tin Foil Hats to keep out the boiling Solar rays…
[2] With associated “auto-snorkle” that swings into position whenever the wearer is submerged by rising flood waters.
[3] With convenient solar-powered propellar to provide a “cooling breeze”.
[4] With, asbestos underwear for the fashionable eco-conscious indiviudual to protect “family Jewels” from too much heat.
[5] With deployable mosquito netting to keep out rampant malaria infested Anopheles mozzies.
Of course marinas are bothered with sedimentation and the cost of dredging. If the water rises, the water depth in coastal marinas improves. It is good.
2050? ,I just want to reach 2015 when New Horizons mission reaches Pluto, the only outer planet that Voyagers 1 & 2 missed. At least it was a planet when the mission started.
John H 55 (21:03:45) :
update : posted: 3 HOURS 17 MINUTES AGO comments: 712
OT
out of the new global warming thesaurus :
“”SheCat1000
12:19 AMJun 15 2009
According to the Wall Street Journal the Obama administration has been meeting with pollsters who advocate avoiding phrases such as ‘cap and trade’ and ‘global warming’. The White House’s consulting pollster says instead of calling it ‘cap and trade’ call it the ‘clean energy dividend’. Does that work for you?””
http://news.aol.com/article/perito-moreno-glacier/526529#Comments
“He only employs his passion who can make no use of reason”-Cicero
O/T
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/5534069/Volcanic-eruption-creates-giant-cloud-threatening-planes.html
Johnnyb (21:36:48) :
That Cicero was kinda sharp.
Maybe those 41 years between now and 2050 will bequeath poor Kyle with the serenity, equanimity and wisdom to become a less hysterical and a more thoughtful person. There’s always hope.
OT
Tech News : Human Ear Inspires Universal Radio
“The human ear is a very good spectrum analyzer,” said Rahul Sarpeshkar, a professor at MIT…
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/06/08/antenna-radio-ear.html
With the government spending the way it is now, it’s more likely Mr. Gracey will live under a insurmountable debt than under water in 2050. If not earlier.
don’t tarp me bro (21:10:20) :
Leland Palmer Says:
Tipping poins
Radical change
1,000 times more emissions.
They use such drama and extreme expressions. I read on climate progress and the terror of methane excaping from thawing thermafrost is rapid, massive and deadly. I can’t tell why they are so irrational. therma frost will not all melt and melt to a great depth suddenly. If we had warming, every few years there would be melting a few miles further Northward or a few more inches downward.
It reminds me of M.D’s when they go on medical missions. Most villages in some countries have their own witchdoctors. The witchdoctor is threatened and calls for sudden curses and claims rapid destruction. He threatens to hurt people that seek medical help. We had the same with sorcerors thousands of years ago. Fear of loss of power drives the fearmongering.
The psychology of fearmongering is fascinating.
Agreed.
Fear is the easiest and quickest way to gain control over another human being, hence it’s popularity as a technique for control.
Fear is also a common denominator and hence useful for controlling groups and crowds.
Here’s another possible QOTW, via Climate Progress. A skeptic commenter noted the cold weather in Chicago, which prompted this reply:
This commenter finds it easy to slap down anecdotal cold weather in Chicago, by saying, “Chicago’s not the world.” And then turning right around and using anecdotal warm temps in Portland. Huh?
stumpy (17:51:08) :
So the small % of people living at sea level are unable to move to higher ground over a period of 40 years and will eventually drown in the 70mm odd sea rise lapping around their toes…
Yes, it is entirely possible to drown in 70mm water – provided your head is already in the sand.
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In 2050, I’ll be 77, and given the pace of the climate talks in Bonn these two weeks, I’ll likely spend most of my retirement either under water or on fire.
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In 2050, if the global warming alarmists get their way, we will live in a
‘Fahrenheit 451’ society as per Ray Bradbury
and with the financial system in disarray, anyone with a mortgage will be under water.
just fyi, dhogaza is a notorious troll on several sites.
Johnnyb (21:36:48) :
“He only employs his passion who can make no use of reason”-Cicero
Here’s another from Cicero (paraphrased): If the facts support you, attack your opponent’s facts. If the facts oppose you, attack your opponent.
Sound familiar?
FerdinandAkin (03:31:17) : In 2050, I’ll be 77, and given the pace of the climate talks in Bonn these two weeks, I’ll likely spend most of my retirement either under water or on fire
You are young enough to witness the next “turn of the screw”, and, as always, it won’t fulfill the expectations of those who think they can manage the world… The world, instead, manages them. It is the guess of many (among others Timo Niroma:
http://personal.inet.fi/tiede/tilmari/sunspot5.html#some200 )
that along with each minimum, with each sun induced climate change, there is also a social/history change. A kind of y=sin x law, a real “turn of the screw”…so enjoy it!
Actually , smoked mullet is mighty fine .
Let’s give ol’ Kyle a bit of a break, OK?
Imagine you had spent your entire life being fed nothing but propaganda and junk science. All opposing view points and all opposing scientific studies are squashed, ridiculed and/or never published in the mainstream media. Anything skeptical of the party line dismissed without even a thought. Any deviance from ideological purity not tolerated by one’s peers.
What would your world view be in that case?
Graeme Rodaughan (20:31:20) :
Hmmm… I see an upswing in the market by 2050 for,
[1] Tin Foil Hats to keep out the boiling Solar rays…
Kind of like the radiant barrier we want for our house….as noted above, Texas in summertime is HOT – even in the perfect climate years of gore, er, yore.
Robert Wood (13:52:49) :
Hansen a Scientologist!! I like that.
I thought he was an astronomer but I’m equally sure it’s misspelt, surely there’s a ‘g’ & an ‘l’ in there someplace 😀
DaveE
Nasif Nahle (20:14:19) :
Even so, I’m not worried… The Sun is spotless anyway. 😉
OK, OWN UP! WHO WASHED THE SUN?
DaveE.
This article is from Anorak News, a bit of an offbeat satire news site in the UK.
http://www.anorak.co.uk/media/213435.html
The article offers another good example of effectively communicating skepticism to a mass audience and their reference to WUWT is indicative of the widening influence of this blog.
This is quite early snow, down to 200-400m, lower north island.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2505467/Snow-closes-SH2-over-Rimutakas
The summit is 550m, at one of the 220 corners along a 13km section of road. It’s bad enough when dry, quite interesting wet, or wet with diesel oil/livestock transport effluent on it, but snow, would be interesting to see with 48tonne logging trucks trecking over the hill.