Michigan Lake Levels Not Changed By Global Warming After All

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Michigan Lake Levels Not Changed By Global Warming After All

Reposted from “The Blog Prof” by Chris J. Kobus, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Mechanical Engineering at Oakland University, Rochester, Michigan

Ice on Lake Superior, March 3rd, 2009

So much for global warming causing the Great Lakes to dry up. Lake levels are back to normal (whatever researchers defines as “normal” I suppose, since the data doesn’t go back that far) after decreasing some for the better past of the last decade. Even though global warming zeolots were quick to point the finger at CO2, the cause for the decrease was in fact – ice dams!

From the Detroit News today: Study: Ice jam caused Great Lake water levels to drop. From the article:

A steady drop in water levels in Lake Michigan/Huron over the first half of this decade resulted from natural causes, not man-made ones, according to U.S. and Canadian researchers, noting that the past 18 months of rising waters could be an indication the lakes are headed back to normal levels.

Researchers working for the International Joint Commission this week released the findings of a two-year study on the St. Clair River and the amount of water running through it out of Lake Michigan/Huron. The study was launched to answer questions by lake shore residents who had watched the steady drop of water levels in recent years.

Critics are already up in arms! I kid you not! Get a load of this:

that’s not sitting well with members of the Canadian environmental group GBA Foundation, which funded its own study in 2004 which put the blame on human activity.”The fact that (the report) completely dismisses such an enormous increase in outflow and recommends that nothing be done about it is very disturbing,” said Roy Schatz, GBA’s founding president, in a press release.

They sure do get angry when humans are not pegged as the culprits, eh? Lastly,

The joint commission looked at changes in the Great Lakes between 1962 and 2006, during which the difference in the water level between Lake Michigan/Huron and the lower-sitting Lake Erie has shrunk by nine inches.

Researchers suggest three contributing factors:

• A change in the St. Clair River’s capacity, or conveyance, most likely created during a monthlong freeze of the river in 1984 that resulted in scouring of the river bottom.

• Changing climate patterns, including greater rain and snowfall in Lakes Erie and Ontario than in the northern Great Lakes.

• Shifts in the Earth’s crust, called glacial isostatic adjustment, that are the result of the planet’s rebound from the melting of glaciers 10,000 years ago.

So we’re still experiencing effects from that ice age 10,000 years ago! Can’t wait for someone from the IPCC to call for the firing of these researchers. Kudos to the liberal Detroit News for even giving this research a fair shake, albeit the News ignores the whole global warming controversy with respect to lake level decreases altogether. As a matter of fact, just two months ago there was resaerch presented in the press hypothesizing that global warming was causing less ice on the Great Lakes, for which I had this response:

Why do I label this as strange? Well, because I just wrote a post not long ago about how 3 of the Great Lakes have completely frozen over this winter for the first time in many years. (MI adds to anti-global warming evidence) The freezing of the Great Lakes happens about once a decade. The last time was in 2003 and before that 1994, according to Ice Service records, and it was 1982 before that. Nothing in the article indicates how these scientists reached their conclusions, or how the measurements were taken. … As for the lake levels, they are back to whatever researchers have defined as “normal:” Global Warming? “Harsh winters push lake levels back to near normal”.

UPDATE: The freep has a corresponding article to the news. Pretty much the same, except that at the very, very end, the freep holds out some hope for the global warming alarmists:

The study is continuing, looking at the long-term effects of climate change. If the upper lakes drop steeply in the coming decades, then it might be time to make man-made changes in the St. Clair River…

UPDATE #2: Here’s an article from the Detroit News in 2008 about how global warming will lower lake levels: Global warming may drop Great Lakes water levels from Thu May 29, 2008. Here’s a snippet from that article:

The report draws on science about global warming to make predictions for the Great Lakes, such as:

• Climate change will boost daily high temperatures between 5.4 and 10.8 degrees.

• Warmer lakes will mean less ice cover and lower water levels of 1 to 3 feet in the next century.

• Biological “dead zones,” where plants and animals can’t live, will spread.

• Intense storms will swamp stressed sewage treatment plants, forcing them to release raw and partially treated sewage into the lakes.

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Richard111
May 2, 2009 11:05 pm

A bit o/t. Don’t know where to post.
The North Pole webcam internal temperature has jumped to +4.0C.
Four days ago it was -8.5C. Can weather do this?
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/latest/noaa1.jpg
REPLY: Absolutely, weather can change temperatures far more than that.

Just Want Truth...
May 3, 2009 12:10 am

barbara m (20:09:19) :
I read the article. So they want to want to overhaul their entire vocabulary because people aren’t listening to the current one. It looks like to me they’ve been crying wolf and people have stopped listening. So now they think that crying wolf with a new set of words will change their fortunes. I can only imagine that it won’t make much of a difference. The new message will still smack of the old message. But they want to have a new push anyway.

Just Want Truth...
May 3, 2009 12:59 am

” Al (21:57:12) : But you can back your way through Mann’s math.”
Apparently Steven Chu likes Principia Mannmathics too. He, like Al Gore, is a Nobel winner. Scratching my head over this Nobel necessity.
Richard Fenyman wasn’t too thrilled with the Nobel either.

Richard111
May 3, 2009 1:23 am

Thank you. Curious as to why this change not visible here:
http://imb.crrel.usace.army.mil/newdata.htm
I would expect external temperature changes to be higher.
Never realised Arctic air temperatures could exceed zero degrees
by quite that much.

May 3, 2009 1:51 am

Adam from Kansas: You asked, “What is the difference between the map he uses and the one used by the NOAA, his map data shows the South Atlantic as off the charts warm, but the NOAA map shows a giant blue spot in the middle of it with a few little orange and red spots to the south of that. Which map is right?”
The one I posted in my monthly update for April 2009 is also from NOAA. Monthly update:
http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2009/05/april-2009-sst-anomaly-update.html
It’s from the NCDC’s NOMADS system.
http://nomad3.ncep.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/pdisp_sst.sh?lite=
Under “Control File” select “monoiv.ctl” for “Monthly”. Under “Plot Type” select “Map”. Click “Next Page”.
Under “Field” select “ssta” for anomalies. The month should be at the current default of April 2009. Click on “Plot”. The map will appear in a new window.
What’s the other map you’re discussing??

Douglas DC
May 3, 2009 6:32 am

Love this article MSU-Oakland is DW’s alma mater. her pop’s farm was just down the road.MIchiganders are like Russians-they know cold when they see it…

John M
May 3, 2009 7:27 am

To add to those who have commented above and who have first-hand experience wrt Great Lakes water levels, the lakes go up and the lakes go down.
http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=749#comment-36188
But if catastrophic AGW proponents want to expend a lot of energy on Great Lakes water levels, I guess it keeps ’em off the streets.

Editor
May 3, 2009 8:04 am

hareynolds (19:55:48) :

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/02/us/politics/02enviro.html
READ THIS ARTICLE. It’s the most frightenng I have read yet in the whole AGW morass.

I see a more a look into the marketing of a movement. Done by both sides for all time. One can stay above the fray but benefit from the attention brought by the zealots. I try to do that, I think Anthony does that too. A lot of people here are here because they got fed up with groups like RealClimate. I really like this quote:
… said Mr. Perkowitz, a marketer of outdoor clothing and home furnishings before he started ecoAmerica, whose activities are financed by corporations, foundations and individuals. “When someone thinks of global warming, they think of a politicized, polarized argument. When you say ‘global warming,’ a certain group of Americans think that’s a code word for progressive liberals, gay marriage and other such issues.”
If “Mr. Perkowitz and allies in the environmental movement” are that out of touch with the world, I think they’re more likely to embarrass themselves than advance their cause.

Adam from Kansas
May 3, 2009 8:38 am

The other map is this one
http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/PSB/EPS/SST/data/anomnight.4.30.2009.gif
http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/PSB/EPS/SST/climo.html
You see a big difference with South Atlantic anomalies between the map you use and the map NOAA makes available.
Notice the big blue spot in the South Atlantic, while the NCDC map shows above average anomalies throughout virtually that entire area and your charts saying it did another big warming jump rather than cooling back down like it has done dependably through the entire period, but I look at the NOAA charts I linked to from the beginning of April and I didn’t really see that big a warming since then.
I look at these because they’re easy to access and they have pretty colors, NOAA’s charts seem reasonably good for ocean temperatures despite the somewhat broken Ice Sensor.

May 3, 2009 9:27 am

Adam from Kansas: The SST anomaly map I posted is the average for the month of April. The ones you linked appear to be SST anomalies for a given day, or for a few days centered on the given day.
They should all be based on the same satellites. The NCDC OI.v2 data also uses buoys and ship measurements and corrects for known satellite biases at high latitudes. I’m not sure, however, if the OSDPD makes those high-latitude corrections, too.
Here’s a link to the most recent weekly OI.v2 SST anomaly map. It should be more in line with the daily anomaly maps. If the link doesn’t work, you can access through the links in my preceding comment and select “oiv2.ctl” which is the weekly data.
http://nomad3.ncep.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/pdisp_sst.sh?ctlfile=oiv2.ctl&ptype=map&var=ssta&level=1&day=22&month=apr&year=2009&proj=default&plotsize=800×600&dir=
Regards

May 3, 2009 10:14 am

So what does that mean? By what I’m witnessing, I don’t believe in global warming too.

Steve Moore
May 3, 2009 12:49 pm

George M (18:56:02) :
==========
AHA! Here is a learning example, Steve. Instead of provided , we must use AGW terminology:
X still equals 2
If we assume:
Y = 1
Q = 2
Z = 1
B = 12
However, careful measurements show:
Y = 2
Q = .707
Z = 4,000
B = 1
But, the robust models suggest these flimsy and unproven measurements must be wrong, so they are adjusted!
See how it works?
WONDERFUL!
I’ll save that one.
——————————————————–
ON ECLIPSES:
Wally (18:56:44) :
“Robert Bateman (18:44:35) :
Wally (18:26:50)
And that eclipse you observed, what was the temperature drop over that time span?”
Couldn’t really say. i did not have a thermometer with me, plus it was a cloudy day so I’m sure the effect was muted compared to observing one on a clear day but still really spooky.
Well, the only total eclipse I’ve witnessed was February 26, 1979. We drove upriver to the Stonehenge replica near Maryhill — a really cool place to see an eclipse!
A bright, clear, sunny day. A little warm for February.
Had no thermometer, but the temperature noticeably dropped when the shadow hit us.

Brian D
May 4, 2009 6:55 am

Here are graph’s of the Great Lakes water levels since 1918. Nothing abnormal here.
http://www.lre.usace.army.mil/greatlakes/hh/datalinks/PrinterFriendly/quickGraph.pdf

Ron de Haan
May 4, 2009 11:35 am

Reappearing Islands in India make Hollywood AGW Celebrity Alarmists look like asses.
The Islands were responsible for the first climate refugees in the world but the climate had nothing to do with the matter.
One thing is for sure, this is another blow to AGW.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/4352475.cms
Link from another excellent article from Philip Stott
http://web.me.com/sinfonia1/Clamour_Of_The_Times/Clamour_Of_The_Times/Entries/2009/5/4_Excellent_New_Comment_from_India.html

SteveSadlov
May 4, 2009 11:50 am

Dakota James wrote it, and I believed it. Namely, that Lake Michigan would dry up by the late 1990s (“Greenhouse: It WILL Happen in 1997!”) opening up new land to speculate on, right adjacent to the northern lakefront in Chicagoland. Oh man, now … what a financial hangover … if only I’d invested in pork belly futures! / s

Ron de Haan
May 4, 2009 11:51 am

Here is another link that states the real reason for the indian Islands to disappear:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/4352474.cms

John b
May 15, 2009 5:56 am

Lake Level update. Home owners on the Great Lakes are complaining that they are losing beachfront to the rising lake levels.
http://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/index.ssf/2009/05/lake_michigan_water_levels_swa.html