Guest post by Steven Goddard

The UK Met Office forecast last Autumn “the coming winter suggests it is, once again, likely to be milder than average. ” We have now passed the 2/3 mark of the meteorological winter, and it is time for another report card to send home. Yesterday’s press release was titled “Wintry start to February” which stated “So far, the UK winter has been the coldest for over a decade” and “Met Office forecasters expect the cold theme to the weather to continue well into next week with the chance of further snow.”
The UK is expecting the heaviest snow in about 20 years tomorrow. “Snow and freezing weather threaten to shut down Britain Arctic blizzards are set to cause a national shutdown on Monday as forecasters warn of the most widespread snowfall for almost 20 years.” “Now is the time you’d expect to see the daffodils coming out but we’re not expecting them for two or three weeks at best if it warms up.“
So why is this important? Climate is not weather, after all. The Met Office is one of the most vocal advocates of human induced global warming, and they have gotten into a consistent pattern of warm seasonal forecasts which seemingly fall in line with that belief system. Is it possible that their forecasts are unduly influenced by preconceived notions about the climate? It is worth remembering that London had it’s first October snow in 70 years this past autumn.
Or perhaps they know exactly what they are doing, and are just having a several year run of extremely bad luck with their long term forecasting.
Alan the Brit
Just started here on the South Devon coast a few minutes ago. We seem to have missed the complete chaos in London however-so far!
TonyB
Leif Svalgaard
Solar activity is not ramping up from solar minimum which I believe you said had occurred in August 2008 – can you please comment if this is now becoming unusual?
Thanks as ever.
Ironically thye same kind of dichotomy is happening in South America with heat and drought in Argentina while central Brazil has had a very wet and cool January, in places coolest in decades according to the METSUL there.
This kind of cold and snow events in Europe as described by many posters were common in the last era of cold PDO and warm AMO – especially the 1960s (best analogs for this year including all the factors were 1962/63 and 1964/65) and even more so during the time of Dickens in the early 1800s (Dalton Minimum…hmm).
Peter Taylor:
Congratulations on getting an excellent article in the Western Daily Press. I have added a comment. I recommend others to do the same. See http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/wdp/news/warming-cooling/article-662783-detail/article.html?cacheBust=ftpdMYQM4Pk1#community
Alan the Brit:
I too am in Devon (too close the the Met Office for comfort). I’m throwing more logs on the fire and watching the snow.
Update from the Times Feb. 20, 2009:
Heaviest snow in 20 years brings large parts of Britain to a halt
Perhaps Svensmark’s Cosmoclimatology should be reconsidered in light of the current exceptionally low transition between sunspot cycles 23 to 24 together with possible causes of the Little Ice Age and the Dalton minimum.
” thomas (05:06:11) :
Mary, exactly how many twenty year intervals have you observed to make that claim? Exactly.”
I agree thomas, How do we know that we have not just had 20 years of natural warming that ended a couple of years ago an now we are back down to the every 5 year kind of snows we had when I was a child?
“To understand the climate, and to understand the disastrous implications of AGW, you must ignore the weather. All of it.”
That only applies to skeptics.
Alarmists may continue to attribute Katrina and many other weather observations to AGW. Of course peer review is optional for those attributions.
My 08 25 52 to Gerald ‘escaped’ before editing
It should read;
“Gerald
Highest temperature ever in Scamander?
Was this the Scamander where records started in 1974? If so it is likely the temperature records set in 1939 elsewhere will remain the hottest.
http://www.weatherzone.com.au/climate/station.jsp?lt=site&lc=92094
TonyB
Have you noticed the title on the UK Met Office website? It’s no longer “Met Office: Weather” it’s now “Met Office: Weather and climate change”! It’s ironic really given the severe cold weather warnings they’re pumping out today!
Anything fits in “Climate Change”
Phil is smarter than Al: click
Hey Flanagan
To perform an informal ‘climate audit’ compare the number of hits from these two queries…
http://tinyurl.com/bup24s
http://tinyurl.com/dxp5dc
What are the chances of that? Clearly the site in question needs some ‘adjustments’ to correct its inexplicable ‘bias’
😉
SandyInDerby (06:54:04) :
I should have shot them for the pot. Then I’d be able to identify them. I thought they buggers waz pigeons, dang me but they might be Ringed Doves a’ta orl.
It’s the mulled wine I tells yuh. Is weely weely gud.
Pickled Perry
I see much, almost ritual, criticism being directed at the Met Office. It’s cold in the Uk atm, this is a blog that disputes AGW, so there’s a thing…
I’m a farmer. Last week (from about Wednesday) the Met Office forecast and the charts available via the net for today and this week began to look potentially snowy. On Thursday I decided I needed to order animal feed for today (Monday) in case it snowed up here on Dartmoor (as was with increasing certainty being predicted).
The animal feed arrived this Monday morning… it snowed this afternoon… You wont find me criticising the Met Office…
let it snow, let it snow, let it snow
Robinson et al;-)
Note the Met Office still claims to be the worlds leading authority on Climate Change! Who said they are, only themselves, so does that mean I am the worlds leading structural engineer because I said so? Ya boo sucks! Unfortunately I would be struck off for unprofessional conduct if I did it for real!
atb
PS Just got some logs in for the wood burner, wearing a tee shirt, shirt, Guernsey sweater, & padded wax jacket, & boy was it cold out there!
Our office “snow day” policies border on the tyrannical. The gal from HR emails us simple tips that will help us get to work while the rest of the free world is following the police advisories to stay off the roads except in the case of medical emergency. It’s truly insane.
Monthly Sunspot Numbers 01/2009 are posted:
http://sidc.oma.be/DATA/monthssn.dat
January comes with 1.5
Latest smoothed number is now 07/2008 with 2.8
2009 is expected to be one of the top-five warmest years on record, despite continued cooling of huge areas of the tropical Pacific Ocean, a phenomenon known as La Niña.
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2008/pr20081230.html
And the previous two winter forecasts,
Updated 22 December 2008
Forecast for the remainder of Winter 2008/9
Temperature
UK mean temperatures are likely to be below average in January and nearer average in February.
Mean temperatures for other parts of Europe during the rest of winter are more likely to be near average, but near or above average in south-east Europe.
Rainfall
Precipitation for the remainder of winter is more likely to be average, or below average over much of Europe, including the UK. However, above-average precipitation is favoured over parts of south-eastern Europe.
Forecasts are expressed as variations from 1971-2000 averages.
Updated 22 January 2009
Forecast for the remainder of Winter 2008/9
Temperature
Mean temperatures are likely to be average or below average for the rest of winter over the UK.
Rainfall
Over the UK, precipitation for the rest of winter is most likely to be average, or below average.
Forecasts are expressed as variations from 1971-2000 averages.
From 25 September 2008 “Trend of mild winters continues”
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2008/pr20080925.html
I would love to have some of those warm mediterranean summers
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/climateexperiment/whattheymean/theuk.shtml
RW’s posting about averages for winter gives accurate figures for sure — as far as they go. But November is irrelevant, as was pointed out later, and December ’08 CET figure was as low as 228th. I’ve just generated a graph for the December temps for the whole series. I don’t see a trend at all but I’m open to correction.
I hope someone’s going to publish the January CET figure for us now that the Met Office has decided we’re not be allowed to have it.
Freedom on Information Act, anyone? 🙂
I wouldn’t trust the met office to predict the sun coming up in the morning
Check Heathrow Arrivals .. wanna bet Al Gore is due to arrive in town and this is just “The Gore Effect”
Flanigan (00:55:46)
How short human memory truly is! Normal “climate” for England, Canada and parts of Europe and N.A. may be more aptly described by what you would expect if there were 3-4 kilometers of glacial ice sitting above your head. We live in a period of time between Ice ages where temperatures are rarely this warm. Enjoy it while you can. People forget the hardships Europeans had surviving even the “little ice age” which by the way we are still just warming our way out of.
We are also getting close to the point that GCM’s will begin to be invalidated by actual temperatures over the last 10 years. (http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/year-end-trend-comparison-multi-model-means-2001-2008/)
Let’s also remember that GCM’s are really just hopped up weather models without adequate means to incorporate what really matters in terms of heat storage on this planet, the oceans. (http://climatesci.org/2009/01/29/real-climate-suffers-from-foggy-perception-by-henk-tennekes/)
So if you think the 5 day forecast from the Met is highly unreliable, then why would you put much faith in what a souped up version predicts for 100 years from now?
When faced with the altenative, I’d argue that It’s not that inconvenient moving your beachfront house a few meters up the hill knowing you can still grow crops in Illinois compared to having a frozen Northern Hemisphere with everyone competing to live at the equator.