Today in climate history – Dec 12th, 1938 – getting warmer

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TonyB
December 13, 2008 8:38 am

UK Daily Telegraph reported today that this the coldest start to December , in the UK, for 30 years – 1978/9. Confirmed by the UK Met Office last night on television

Mike C.
December 13, 2008 8:46 am

John Finn (04:46:06)
It is odd that Weather Underground doesn’t have any problem finding temps for Godthaab(Nuuk) for those missing months. A quick glance showed an occasional missing day. I looked at January 2008 in more detail. I didn’t do any calcs but I would guess that temps are 5 to 10 fahrenheit below normal(but probably not to Hansen’s base period) for that month. The Gistemp anomaly map shows that part of Greenland at 1 to 2 celsius below normal for January. It is so frustrating to see this kind of stuff over and over but no one in authority seems to care.

December 13, 2008 9:07 am


DB2 (05:59:32) :
Speaking of Arctic ice, there seems to be a discrepancy between….
There has been a change at the Norwegian site
http://arctic-roos.org/observations/satellite-data/sea-ice/ice-area-and-extent-in-arctic
on Friday the 12th. I look at the ice area graph almost every day and on Thursday the black line for 2008 was right up against the 29-year average, well inside the grey one-standard-deviation area.
Today the 2008 line is suddenly outside the grey band and now has never been in it at all this year. Somebody changed something.

Confirmed. I noticed the same thing. Interestingly, it happened as there was an ongoing debate in a local newpaper forum, referring to that page.
REPLY – see my latest post on the main page – Anthony

deadwood
December 13, 2008 9:24 am

April:
Blinders work for AGW’s foes as well as for its advocates. Facts which don’t support a hypothesis are as important in science as those that do – even anecdotal ones.
Today we have early December (12th/13th) snow in the Puget Sound lowlands. This is not rare, except perhaps when compared with the exceptionally warm winters we had over the last decade.
I have lived in the PNW since the early 1970’s. I know well that a late start to mountain snow (not lowland snow) does not mean it will be a warm winter. But it might mean we will not have enough accumulation to keep the reservoirs full come spring. If that happens two things will occur next spring. First, the farmers in Easter WA will have difficulty with irrigation, and second, AGW acolytes (our Governor foremost among them) will claim the drought is caused by “climate change”.
Is there a point to stating facts? I leave that to you.

December 13, 2008 9:41 am

Denny’s report isn’t a fake. It’s similar to a number of news items from the 1930’s. There was a ‘Greens’ movement back then in Britain, but they disbanded during WW2.
Another period of note from a Climate point of view is the 1890’s. Don’t just take my word for it, look for yourselves. Most of the reports from these two periods weren’t on line until recently but still buried in old newspaper archives.

Richard Hegarty
December 13, 2008 10:02 am

And in the news a multidecadal cycle later.
“Another ice age?” from Time magazine 1974
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,944914-1,00.html

tty
December 13, 2008 10:13 am

I don’t know about this particular news story, but the Sedov’s drift across the Arctic Sea 1937-1940 most definitely happened. An interesting thing is that they found the average thickness of the arctic pack to be 1.3 meters as compared with the 3.1 meters found by the Fram expedition in the same area in 1893-96. Of course the 1930’s was a very warm period while the 1890’s was the tail end of the LIA.
Re: John Finn (04:46:06) :
Nuuk/Godthaab is the capitol of Greenland, houses a quarter of the population and the headquarters of the national airline, Air Greenland, I would say it is extremely unlikely that regular and reliable weather observations would not be made there. Most likely it is NOAA/GISS that has goofed again.

tty
December 13, 2008 10:23 am

Re: John Finn (04:46:06) :
Yes, it is a GISS goof. The data you are lookinr is available here:
http://www.dmi.dk/dmi/index/gronland/vejrarkiv-gl.htm

AKD
December 13, 2008 10:23 am

“ElphonPeedupon (01:49:29) :
. . . I rather think that this ‘article’ has been invented. It’s by Harold Denny. Harold DENY? It features Professor Berg. IceBerg? The ‘facts’ are a summary of many of the major contemporary arguments against global warming; including references to the Antartic. The ship the scientists are on is almost at the North Pole, but, bearing in mind that it’s 1938, they’re somehow providing detailed data to Berg and Zupoff (can’t say I get that one) with sufficient detail for these guys to predict global trends. And it’s being reported in the NY Times – not that I could find a reference to the particular article myself on their website. Finally, there’s a reference to a guy being made Chief of Artic Aviation of the Northern Sea Route Administration (AKA: the NorthWest Passage). 1938? I don’t think so.”
The icebreaker Sedov (Syedoff) was quite real:
“The Sedov was a Soviet ice-breaker fitted with steam engines. She was originally the Newfoundland sealing steamer Beothic and was renamed after Russian Captain and Polar explorer Georgy Yakovlevich Sedov.
This icebreaker sprung into fame because it became the first Drifting Soviet Polar Station.
In 1929 icebreaker Sedov went on the “High-latitude Government Expedition” to Franz-Josef Land carrying Soviet scientists.
In the summer of 1937 icebreaker Sadko sailed from Murmansk. Its original goal was to sail to Henrietta, Zhokhow and Jeanette Islands, in the De Long group and carry out scientific research. The purpose of the expedition was also to find out how could the Northern Sea Route be used for regular shipping and to explore the complex Nordenskiöld Archipelago. But the Soviet naval authorities changed the plans and the ice-breaker was sent instead to help ships in distress in the Kara and Laptev Seas.
The Sadko, however, became itself trapped in fast ice at 75°17’N and 132°28’E in the region of the New Siberian Islands. Other two Soviet icebreakers, the Sedov and the Malygin who were in the same area researching the ice conditions, became trapped by sea ice as well and drifted helplessly.
Owing to persistent bad weather conditions, part of the stranded crew members and some of the scientists could only be rescued in April 1938. And only on August 28th 1938, could ice-breaker “Yermak” free two of the three ships at 83°4’N and 138°22’E. The third ship, the Sedov, had to be left to drift in its icy prison and was transformed into a scientific polar station.
Ice-breaker Sedov kept drifting northwards in the ice towards the Pole, very much like Fridtjof Nansen’s Fram” had done in 1893-96. There were 15 crew aboard, led by Captain Konstantin Badygin and W. Kh. Buinitzki. The scientists aboard took 415 astronomical measurements, 78 electromagnetic observations, as well as 38 depth measurements by drilling the thick polar ice during their 812-day stay aboard the Sedov. Finally they were freed between Greenland and Svalbard by icebreaker Joseph Stalin, the biggest icebreaker of the Soviet fleet at that time, on January 18th 1940.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icebreaker_Sedov

jorgekafkazar
December 13, 2008 10:43 am

Well, I’d have retyped the entire article and posted it with the 1938 left off just to see how far people would have had to read before they caught on. Too late now.

Brian in Alaska
December 13, 2008 11:51 am

Alan the Brit,
Good list of doomsday scenarios that came oh so close to exterminating us all. You did leave out a few that I can recall, though: Y2K, avian flu, second hand smoke, ebola, obesity, and one other that I’m afraid to mention even to this crowd.
Seems to me that gullibility and government are much more likely to do us in than a weather cycle.

Josh
December 13, 2008 1:04 pm

That article was written back when the media was totally objective. I like how the article states that no hasty conclusions should be drawn about why the polar ice was melting. If only today’s media was so objective and unbiased.

Ron de Haan
December 13, 2008 3:54 pm

Unbiased Media are hard to find.
Australia experienced a cold wintry spring with ice storms and lots of rain.
Nothing special about that.
It’s warm or it’s cold, you can’t have both can you?
Not according Mr. Glenn Cook, a senior meteorologist at the WA Bureau of Meteorology. He comes up with the following explanation for the cold spring
“Global warming is a background trend that has been clearly identified and these cool events will continue and continue for many years to come, they will just become less frequent as time goes on,”
Do you believe this guy? Even if we stumble into a full blown ice age, global warming is continuing in the back ground!
No wonder people are turning their back on printed media.
Their journalist suck and their meteorologists talk rubbish.
Where did they get their education I wonder.
Read the full article here:
http://globalfreeze.wordpress.com/2008/12/13/perth-december-cool-and-wet-but-summer-is-coming/

Medic1532
December 13, 2008 4:00 pm

“ElphonPeedupon (01:49:29) :
The referenced Article can be found in the New York Times Archive the main archive search is from 1981 to present. The secondary search holds all articles from 1851 to 1981 thats where you find the article referenced above
(First paragraph as found on the New York Times Website below).
In the future please remember sceptics always check sources from BOTH sides of the AGW debate.
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By HAROLD DENNYWireless to THE NEW YORK TIMES.
December 12, 1938, Monday
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The findings of Soviet explorers aboard the icebreaker Syedoff, now drifting within 300 miles of the North Pole, together with earlier observations by other investigators, have caused Soviet scientists to conclude that the Arctic region and, indeed, the whole world is growing warmer. [ END OF FIRST PARAGRAPH ]

December 13, 2008 5:37 pm

Ron de han, it is the same here with CNN offering “planet in peril”. They absolutely never discuss the scientific arguments against it including the failed predictions but ever changing predictions of the IPCC.
A real thinker is open minded about facts and makes course corrections accordingly. Their course is demonize CO2, period.

teaspoontimes
December 13, 2008 6:37 pm

Good a time as any! Have a chuckle at this article.
Global Warming Attributed To Liberal Imagination

ElphonPeeduponTheContrite
December 13, 2008 11:37 pm

OK, I’m convinced. Thanks all.

TOF
December 14, 2008 6:47 am

My parents were married Christmas Day, 1937; that was the year that the “depression withing the depression” began. My mother tells me that the day was shirts leeve weather. My parents married Christmas Day because it was the only day both had off.

Ron de Haan
December 14, 2008 9:24 am

Ralph Short (17:37:15) :
“Ron de han, it is the same here with CNN offering “planet in peril”. They absolutely never discuss the scientific arguments against it including the failed predictions but ever changing predictions of the IPCC”.
A real thinker is open minded about facts and makes course corrections accordingly. Their course is demonize CO2, period.”
I used to watch CNN, CNBC, BBC, Sky and even Russia Today.
They are all “bought” by the AGW gang broadcasting a never ending feed of bias BS.
They even win “awards” for it, like Gore and the IPCC got the Nobel Price.
We are ruled by people and organizations that are corrupt to the bone.
I keep on asking myself what these people think when they look in the mirror?
http://heliogenic.blogspot.com/2008/12/wonder-how-gore-got-his-prize.html

December 14, 2008 4:13 pm

There was a Northern Sea Route Directorate/Administration. If this is a hoax, it is a good one. The one discordant note is that, as with Lysenkoism and Abiotic oil, the Soviets could have just been covering their existence by playing loose with science since Stalin ordered the Administration set up in 1932 but in 1937, practically all of their endavours to research a northern sea route had got into trouble. So keeping themselves going by claiming a warming route through the arctic could have been a bureaucratic strategy that only finally vapourised in the 1950s, with a cooler globe; this would also help explain the elimination of the directorate in 1962

December 15, 2008 3:18 am

Doug in Mankato, MN (07:10:22) :
“One source of data I have not heard anyone talking about on this site or anyplace else I can find is the ocean data from the ARGO project, the worldwide array of robot floats that was completed about a year or so ago. This is a project with international support and I would think by now some of this data would be starting to tell us something about ocean temperature trends, currents and salinity. The home site is http://www.argo.net/ The site and the system itself is not meant to do analysis of the data collected, but rather to provide an international data base for anyone it who does.”
Has anyone seen, downloaded and/or parsed this data?
Whenever I have looked I couldn’t find its location (got 404 not found) or anywhere it has been used to elucidate us (or not).

December 15, 2008 7:05 pm

What is supremely ironic about this article is the “timing” of the expressed FEARS about temperature change – in the 1930’s!
In 1937, temperatures had just about peaked in the rise from 1890 through 1935, with temperatures falling considerably AFTER 1940 until 1972. So the “hot cliamte” and “melting ice caps” that THIS article notes were already on path to freeze over and begin the 30 year slide into the 1968-1970 FEARS about a coming ICE AGE!
Worse, at the very depths of the 1968-1972 “ICE AGE” fears, we now know that a short 27 year RISE in temperatures was beginning. So Dr. Hansen’s FEARS of a coming climate heat wave were developing between 1988 and 1998 – just at the peak of the current hot spot.
Today, ten years after world temperatures have peaked, and as they begin falling even further the last two years, we see an ever-increasing shrill scream of despair about heat waves.
Right on time. The news media reacts to hot weather just as the climate begins its next 30-year slide back down another 4/10 of one degree.
And as the “scientists” begin their yells and screams for more funding.

rutger
December 16, 2008 12:47 am

Hi everyone!
this is a must read!.. its almost comedy but also sad because its the same canon 9i quess the since was settled in 1989
the “popular science” august 1989 12 pages Global warming special..
with Hansen et al..
http://books.google.com/books?id=vAAAAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA55&hl=nl&source=gbs_toc_pages_r&cad=0_1#PPA51,M1
u will love it
btw all!!! (sines 1870) issues ar online. very nice to read trough the old issues
http://books.google.com/books?id=JScDAAAAMBAJ&hl=nl&source=gbs_all_issues_r&cad=2_2

Julius St Swithin
December 19, 2008 12:20 pm

The report is genuine. The London Times had a similar article. Their article mentioned open water at 88 N. There have been many others. In 1861 Robert Firzroy (founder of the British Met Office) wrote of “the thawing of ice on many ridges of mountains and around the arctic circle.” Jackson in 1897 spoke of open water to the north of frozen areas . In 1907 a report in the Time was headed “Ice melting and oceanic circulation”. In 1911 a Times leader spoke of “mild, dreary and damp winters” and said there had been no hard winter for 15 years. In 1953 it reported that “the arctic ice cap began receding more than a generation ago” and in the same year it discussed changes in breeding patterns due to warmer temperatures.
Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose…