The view on AGW from the Australian

Key degrees of difference

Cameron Stewart, Associate editor | August 09, 2008

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24148862-11949,00.html 

HAS global warming stopped? The question alone is enough to provoke scorn from the mainstream scientific community and from the Government, which says the earth has never been hotter. But tell that to a new army of sceptics who have mushroomed on internet blog sites and elsewhere in recent months to challenge some of the most basic assumptions and claims of climate change science.

Their claims are provocative and contentious but they are also attracting attention, so much sothat mainstream scientists are being forced torespond.

The bloggers and others make several key claims. They say the way of measuring the world’s temperature is frighteningly imprecise and open to manipulation. They argue that far from becoming hotter, the world’s temperatures have cooled in the past decade, contrary to the overwhelming impression conveyed by scientists and politicians.

As such, they say there should be far greater scepticism towards the apocalyptic predictions about climate change. Even widely accepted claims, such as that made by Climate Change Minister Penny Wong that “the 12 hottest years in history have all been in the last 13 years”, are being openly challenged.

“She is just plain wrong,” says Jennifer Marohasy, a biologist and senior fellow of the Institute of Public Affairs. “It’s not a question of debate. What about the medieval warming period? The historical record shows they were growing wine in England, for goodness sake; come on. It is not disputed by anyone that the Vikings arrived in Greenland in AD900 and it was warmer than Greenland is now. What Penny Wong is doing is being selective and saying that is a long time ago.”

But selective use of facts and data is fast becoming an art form on both sides of the climate change debate now that real money is at stake as the West ponders concrete schemes to reduce carbon emissions. So what is the validity of some of the key claims being made by these new blogger sceptics?

Their first claim is that the most basic aspect of climate change science – the measurement of global warming – is flawed, imprecise and open to manipulation.

The earth’s temperature is measured using land-based weather stations – in effect, a network of thermometers scattered unevenly across the globe – as well as via satellites and ocean-based weather sensors. There are four agencies that measure the world’s temperatures and each has different methodology and produces varying, although not dramatically different, results.

Sceptics accuse climate change believers of always quoting the agency that shows the highest level of warming, the US National Aeronautic and Space Administration’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies run by prominent climate change scientist and activist James Hansen.

An independent study by Yale University in the US shows GISS says the earth has warmed by 0.025C a year during the past eight years while the other best-known measurement agency, London’s Hadley Centre, says it warmed by only 0.014C a year during the same period. Not surprisingly, the Hadley figures are the most quoted by climate change sceptics while the GISS figures are most popular with climate change believers.

David Evans, former consultant to the Australian Greenhouse Office, says Hansen’s GISS is unreliable because it is the only measurement agency that relies almost wholly on land-based data instead of satellites.

“Land-based temperature readings are corrupted by the urban heat island effect,” he says. “Urban areas encroaching on thermometer stations warm the micro-climate around the thermometer due to vegetation changes, concrete, cars and houses.”

As such, he alleges that the GISS figures – which are enormously influential in the climate change debate – are “hopelessly corrupted” and may even be manipulated to suit Hansen’s views on global warming.

A group of weather buffs in the US also has attacked GISS’s methodology, putting together an online photo gallery of US weather stations at website www.surfacestations.org that shows some thermometers situated next to asphalt runways and parking lots where they would pick up excess warming.

But GISS says the distorting impact of this urban warming is negated because data from these stations is modified to remove these effects and give a true reading. Hansen acknowledges there may be flaws in the weather station data because temperature measurement is not always a precise science. But he says this does not mean big-picture trends can’t be drawn from the data.

He says: “That doesn’t mean you give up on the science and that you can’t draw valid conclusions about the nature of earth’s temperature change.”

Hansen has been infuriated by the attacks on GISS by climate change critics. Last year Canadian blogger and retired businessman Stephen McIntyre exposed a minor mistake in Hansen’s figures that had caused GISS to overstate US temperatures by a statistically small 0.15C since 2000.

Sceptics were energised. “We have proof of man-made global warming,” roared conservative American radio host Rush Limbaugh. “The man-made global warming is inside NASA.”

Hansen struck back, saying he would “not joust with court jesters” who sought to “create a brouhaha and muddy the waters in the climate change story”.

What the bloggers have succeeded in doing is to highlight that measuring climate change is an evolving science. But their success has been at the margins only. So far they have failed to prove that these discrepancies negate the broader core arguments about the trends of global warming.

However, the second argument being put forward by blogger sceptics is more accessible to the public and therefore is having a greater impact. They argue that, contrary to the impressions given about global warming, the earth’s temperatures have plateaued during the past decade and may have cooled in recent years. This, they argue, should not be happening when carbon emissions are growing rapidly. This was not what the climate change modellers predicted. Their conclusion therefore is that carbon emissions are not the driver of warming and climate change and that the earth is not heading for a climate change apocalypse caused by greenhouse gases.

“All official measures of global temperature show that it peaked in 1998 and has been declining since at least 2002,” says climate change sceptic Bob Carter, a science adviser to the Australian Climate Science Coalition. “And this is in the face of an almost 5 per cent increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide since 1998. Spot the problem?”

A careful analysis of global temperature graphs from each of the measurement agencies confirm that – despite variations between them – there has not been any notable warming since 2000. Depending on which graphs you use, global temperatures since 2000 have been more or less flat. Some, such as the GISS data, show a modest rise, while others show negligible movement and even a small fall in recent years.

Sceptics like to use graphs that date from 1998 because that was the hottest year on record due to El Nino influences and therefore the temperature trends for the decade look flattest when 1998 is the starting point.

But ultimately this is a phony war because most mainstream scientists do not dispute that global temperatures have remained relatively flat during the past decade. Where they differ with the sceptics is on how this outcome should be interpreted.

“The changes in temperature over the past 10 years have basically plateaued,” says Andy Pitman, co-director of the Climate Change Research Centre at the University of NSW. “But scientists did not anticipate a gradual year-by-year warming in temperature. What matters is the long-term trend. This outcome does not change any of the science but it does change the spin climate deniers can put on it.”

The sceptics are having a field day with this trend. The IPA’s Marohasy says: “In the last 10 years we have seen an increase in carbon dioxide levels yet temperatures are coming down. That, if anyone looks at the actual data, is not disputable. Carbon dioxide is not driving temperatures because there are other important climatic factors at play.”

Most scientists are adamant that any assessment of climate change based on only 10 years of data is not only meaningless but reckless.

“From a climate standpoint it is far too short a period to have any significance,” says Amanda Lynch, a climate change scientist at Melbourne’s Monash University. “What we are seeing now is consistent with our understanding of variability between decades. If we hung about for another 30 years and it kept going down, then you might start to think there is something we don’t understand. But the evidence at this point suggests this is not something we should hang around and wait for.”

Climate change scientists say we must go back much further than the past decade and pay attention to the longer-term trend lines that run through the temperature data and clearly trend upwards. Lynch says other factors beyond temperature are also relevant. “In the last 10 years there has been a catastrophic and massive Arctic sea ice retreat. We’ve seen glacial retreat, permafrost thaw and ocean thermal expansion, so temperature is not the whole story.”

But the sceptics are undeterred. “It is widely alleged that the science of global warming is settled,” says the US-based Science and Public Policy Institute. “This implies that all the major scientific aspects of climate change are well understood and uncontroversial. The allegation is profoundly untrue … even the most widely held opinions should never be regarded as an ultimate truth.”

Matthew England, from the Climate Change Research Centre, describes the latest blog war by climate change sceptics as an amazing phenomenon. “Climate change is a robust area of science and there is plenty that is still being debated and new discoveries are still being made,” he says. “It is a topic (that) will keep attracting different opinions from enthusiasts and from bloggers. They are a minority but they are proving to be a very vocal group.”

 
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F Rasmin
August 9, 2008 10:26 pm

Reference my last post. I should have said that the BBC was unsurprisingly surprised at the idea of snow in Australia! People come from all over the world to ski and enjoy other winter sports in Australia when it is summer in the norther hemisphere.

August 9, 2008 11:54 pm

[…] blogosphere, and also drummed up strong support among other Op Ed writers, which have also been thoroughly […]

Paulus
August 10, 2008 12:16 am

Environmentalism as a mass movement reached its peak in 2007. We are now observing its “long tail” decline, as idealism is confronted by reality – economic, political, and scientific.
This is reflected by a noticeable rise in the level of scepticism, and the dramatically increasing popularity of such blogs as Anthony’s.

Roger Carr
August 10, 2008 12:23 am

Yet every year, without fail, the local officials around San Diego pretend that fire season has never happened before… David Corcoran (19:24:21).
And in Victoria, Australia (every year) it’s gunna be the very worst fire season ever… ever!
Mmm… there’s a thought. Funding…

Matt Lague
August 10, 2008 1:32 am

It is annoying enough for mollycoddled warmers that sceptics have created their own niche forum to express their views, now they have to deal with the developing trend of the msm actually reporting it. Even this small amount of traction will have then worried knowing the fickleness os the msm who might just as easily turn on them. And why not – if they have milked the AGW beast dry it’s probable they will move onto something else. I think we are here today because AGW suited the msm almost as much as it did Greenpeace, except the media will always want novelty. Agw could be left standing, discarded. But the big scoop will be why did perfectly good scientists have to go underground to get heard. Matty – Perth, Western Australia

August 10, 2008 2:24 am

documented in the Doomsday book (unfortunately text not available online).
Try here

Julian
August 10, 2008 3:00 am

Dr David Evans by his own admission was a believer in AGW, and worked for the CSIRO quantifying land use CO2 emissions his method now used by many countries.
When he realised that the figures for CO2 being the culprit did not add up, he changed his mind.
Others it seem, change their figures.

August 10, 2008 4:02 am

Anthony, Everyone,
another sane and rational report just came out today – UK Independent on Sunday – Martin Durkin (Great Climate Swindle) is speaking up well.
J. Hansford – this will cheer you up
Julian from Wales, click on my name for an introduction to climate science by someone who did a U-turn (it also links to other scientific intros and various key references)

Roger Carr
August 10, 2008 5:49 am

Lucy Skywalker (04:02:39): link from your name “Not Found”.

Mike Bryant
August 10, 2008 6:01 am

Maybe it is time for Swindle II

Dave
August 10, 2008 6:02 am

Steven Talbot-
I understand your boredom with paleoclimatology. It saves you from having to worry about whether the planet’s recent warming is unprecedented.
I don’t worry about the integrity of commenters at this blog, but I am concerned with the integrity of paleoclimatologists who attempt to construct “hockey sticks” in order to influence, through the IPCC, governments to spend vast sums of money ameliorating a problem that might not actually be a problem.

Pofarmer
August 10, 2008 6:14 am

Just a note. The high for this area was set yesterday in 1934. We just missed it——– by 31 degrees F!!!!! Call me a continuing skeptic.

Wondering Aloud
August 10, 2008 7:55 am

Responding to Steven Talbot above
I really don’t even care about the difference in how sea surface temperatures are measured, both methods have advantages and flaws.
I am far to busy trying to stay calm and rational as I look at the Way the GISS puts together the land based data and “corrections”. To me this looks at the very least to be bias in their method that distorts the record upward. And I do mean at the very least. The error introduced by the rediculous corrections and the siting issues in the US alone is bigger than the entire warming signal over the last century. Their is no reason to think the record is better elsewhere and ample evidince it is not.
Unless and until you correct that mess you aren’t talking science at all.

Steven Talbot
August 10, 2008 8:36 am

Phillip_B,
You say:
It looks to me like you are muddying the water for the purpose of obfuscating the real issues. This is a standard tactic AGW Believers use in order to avoid substantive debate on the science. Perhaps I’m tarring you with the wrong brush, but I doubt it.
I have simply pointed out a clear factual error in David Evans’ statements, as reported and as previously appeared in his own words. I am amazed that you consider a clarification of factual matters to be “obfuscating”. It seems to me we can’t have any useful debate on the science if our facts are wrong, but perhaps we must agree to differ. By the way, I don’t think tarring anyone with brushes of any kind is a good approach to scientific debate.
Later you say:
It wasn’t just that wine was produced in Britain in the MWP, it was a major economic activity and this was documented in the Doomsday book (unfortunately text not available online).
Wine production then dissapeared from Britain for 600 or 700 years. The fact it reappeared in the 20th century due to improved technology and grape strains is irrelevant.

It is true that the 11th century Doomsday Book documents 46 vineyards in southern England. However, there were 139 vineyards in England & Wales at the accession of Henry VIII in 1509, some two centuries after the period that is generally considered for the MWP. Viticulture declined over the following centuries, possibly associated with Henry’s dissolution of the monasteries and with a decline of temperatures as the Little Ice Age developed, though there is clear evidence of viticulture in the 17th-19th centuries, and it was probably only during the period of the World Wars that wine was not made on a substantial scale. For reference:
http://www.english-wine.com/history.html
I’m sorry if you think this is “obfuscating the real issues” again, but your statements I’ve quoted are not correct. I happen to think there was an MWP, but not that the growing of wine is a good proxy for absolute temperature during such a period, given that it was grown in greater quantity during colder times.
Tom Klein –

It is good to see somebody who is clearly a believer in GW ( whether it is GW, or AGW it is not totally clear from your comments ) and have a rational, fact based discussion on the subject.

Thank you, though may I say, without wishing to imply any discourtesy, that I try to avoid terms such as ‘believer’ and ‘denier’. I am no more nor less a believer than others whose assessment of the evidence is different to mine. So, for example, I have the impression there are many here who believe that Hansen is manipulating the data in favour of showing a warming trend. I don’t believe that. On that level I suppose I am a believer, just as many here believe the opposite, but I don’t think we should really be engaging in acts of faith ;-).
For the record, I am currently persuaded that there is a high risk of AGW contributing significantly to further warming. You speak of the IPCC predicting catastrophic effect. The IPCC’s assessment of transient climate response for C02 doubling suggests a 10% chance of less than 1C and a 10% chance of greater than 3C, with equivalent bands of 1.5C and 4.5C for equilibrium, so they recognise the (unlikely) possibility of low-end response just as they recognise the (unlikely) possibility at the high end. The confidence interval is large, and thus I do think it is a matter of making a good risk assessment.
Janama –
I wasn’t attempting to denigrate Dr Hansen – I was supporting Dr Evans from the typical attacks he consistently receives from the warmers.
– and I wasn’t attacking Dr Evans, unless you think pointing out an error is an attack. I suggested that his mistake might be explicable by the fact that temperature records are not his area of expertise. If that’s not a reasonable suggestion as to what might explain it, then one is left with the view that he does have expert knowledge of the temperature records and yet made a false statement. That would be an attack, which I did not make. On the contrary, I offered a reasonable explanation as to why he may have made such a mistake. If you have a better explanation, then I would be pleased to hear it.

August 10, 2008 9:14 am

I just read Martin Durkin’s article – now finding it hard to dispel the image of George Monbiot in a curly blonde wig! Re environmentalism, I’ve also just finished reading an old paperback novel, which was printed in 1971. Inside the back cover there’s a list of book titles under the heading “The environment is the issue of our day. Books for those who care about what tomorrow might bring…” And the titles include old favourite The Population Bomb by Paul “I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000.” Ehrlich. Ah, nostalgia. What are the odds that in another thirty or forty years’ time, we will have had some more of the usual climatic and geopolitical ups and downs but no overwhelming catastrophe, and yet we’ll still be told that Armageddon is just around the corner, with a tipping point, say, in 2060?

August 10, 2008 11:00 am

If the world is worried about excess atmospheric CO2 then why isn’t the world switching to nuclear power? Probably because the world governments don’t care about climate, they care about taxes and controlling people. Isn’t that the truth of it all …

Steven Talbot
August 10, 2008 11:53 am

Dave,
You say:

I understand your boredom with paleoclimatology. It saves you from having to worry about whether the planet’s recent warming is unprecedented.

Of course it’s not unprecedented in terms of absolute temperature. It was way hotter a long time ago!
I’m not bored with palaeoclimatology, but with the fruitless(IMV) debate over whether or not the MWP was slightly below, equal to or slightly above mid-20th century temperatures. I take the view that palaeo reconstructions are not certain enough to make firm conclusions on the level of fractions of a degree. I have already said that I think there was an MWP, although I think any evidence of its global extent is unconvincing.

I am concerned with the integrity of paleoclimatologists who attempt to construct “hockey sticks” in order to influence, through the IPCC, governments to spend vast sums of money ameliorating a problem that might not actually be a problem.

Evidently, you think that these scientists are are driven by a bizarre agenda which determines that they must ruin the world economy on the back of fabricated science. That’s a very interesting idea, which I personally find totally implausible. So, there we are, we have different opinions.

Pofarmer
August 10, 2008 1:11 pm

I’m not bored with palaeoclimatology, but with the fruitless(IMV) debate over whether or not the MWP was slightly below, equal to or slightly above mid-20th century temperatures. I take the view that palaeo reconstructions are not certain enough to make firm conclusions on the level of fractions of a degree. I have already said that I think there was an MWP, although I think any evidence of its global extent is unconvincing.

If that is the case, then you are basing all your speculation on about 120 years worth of data or so. In the case of CO2, about 40. Unless you use Becks analysis, instead of the ice core data. If that is the case, how in the world can you draw the conclusion that manmade CO2 is disturbing the atmosphere at all.
I tend to agree with you, by the way. I don’t think either temperature or CO2 reconstructions are sensitive enough for all this hype.

Bruce Cobb
August 10, 2008 1:24 pm

For the record, I am currently persuaded that there is a high risk of AGW contributing significantly to further warming.
In other words, Steven, you believe AGW is true. The question is, on what basis?
Because the IPCC said so, and there is an “overwhelming consensus?”

Tom Klein
August 10, 2008 2:44 pm

Steve Talbot,
I have a difficulty understanding the difference between a ” transient ” and “equilibrium”
response of the climate. Since the IPCC predicts monotonically changing forcings, the difference between the two – if such thing exist at all – must be one of time delay. I do not recall anybody talking about such a delay, except if you consider Hansen’s dire, but unspecified warnings about stored heat in the oceans creating a “pipeline” of future heating. The 1998 El Nino caused temperature spike indicating a very fast temperature response of the atmosphere- an order months not years in both heating and cooling – makes long time delays less than obviously credible. Your quoted probability distribution which puts a 10% probability for less than 1 degree, or greater than 3 degree “transient” temperature rise as opposed to a 1.5 to 4.5 degree ” equilibrium” rise implies a very long delay between the two, of the order years, or even decades. I am not aware of any evidence – I disregard Hansen’s warnings as scientific evidence – for the atmospheric response being very long. Oceans do take a lot longer to respond, but not the atmosphere.

Dave Andrews
August 10, 2008 2:54 pm

Stephen Talbot
Evidently, you think that these scientists are are driven by a bizarre agenda
If you read through the threads at Climate Audit you will indeed see some bizarre behaviour by a good few of the Team

Janama
August 10, 2008 2:59 pm

Steven – you said – [i](his relevant job was as a computer programming/modelling consultant. Perhaps it’s not surprising that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about when discussing the temperature records).[/i]
I suggest you belittle his contribution to the task at hand, i.e. produce a model for Australia’s Kyoto submission. Do you think it’s possible to compose a computer program dealing with all the complexities of climate, including temperature, whilst having no knowledge of any of the complex variables the model seeks to represent? That’s what you are inferring and what I found to be insulting toward Dr Evans.

old construction worker
August 10, 2008 3:15 pm

Steven Talbot (11:53:55)
These famous words echoed through the hall of the senate.
“We have to get rid of the Medieval Warm Period.”
Low and behold we got the “hockey stick” in the next IPCC report.
I find that odd, don’t you? That leds me to believe that someone has an agenda at the IPCC.
Statement of Dr. David Deming
http://epw.senate.gov/hearing_statements.cfm?=266543

statePoet1775
August 10, 2008 3:19 pm
Austin
August 10, 2008 3:53 pm

The MRF is starting to look more Fall-like.
Then I saw this comment from NWS FTW.
WE RAISED NRN PARTS OF NORTH TEXAS TO CHANCE MENTION FOR NOW BEING
IT IS MIDDLE OF AUGUST AND THE UNCERTAINTIES THIS FAR OUT…BUT IF
IT WERE TO OCCUR /SEEING HEIGHT FALLS OF SUCH MAGNITUDE MORE TYPICAL
OF LATE SEPTEMBER/EARLY OCTOBER/ COULD BE POSSIBLY A FORETELLING OF
AN EARLY FALL AROUND THESE PARTS. WE`RE TAKING THE CONSERVATIVE
APPROACH FOR NOW. LOOKS LIKE THE DAYS WELL ABOVE CENTURY MARK COULD
BE A THING OF THE PAST FOR AWHILE.