From Wire and Twitter reports:
We know the northern hemisphere has been getting colder, for example we reported earlier this week that the USA was colder than any time last year with an average temperature of 16 degrees F. It isn’t just the USA, in northern Africa, reports suggest that it is only the second time in living memory that snow has fallen on the Sahara desert. The last record is for February 18, 1979, when the snow storm lasted just half an hour.
Snow falling on the Saharan mountain ranges is very rare, let alone on the sandy dunes of the continent’s largest desert.
Amateur photographer Karim Bouchetata says he took the incredible pictures of snow covering the sand in the small Saharan desert town of Ain Sefra, Algeria, on December 19. The unforgiving red dunes looked pristine and picturesque.
“It looked amazing as the snow settled on the sand and made a great set of photos. The snow stayed for about a day and has now melted away.” he added.
Quote via The India Times
https://twitter.com/MiltonWolfMD/status/811272816280686593?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Discover more from Watts Up With That?
Subscribe to get the latest posts sent to your email.
so sorry. my suv is to blame i am sure. would it help if we cut fossil fuel emissions? we’ll also throw in $billions into the climate mitigation fund.
sorry so sorry.
Still giggling over your comment….love it!!
Problem solved…all those poor unfortunate British Children will just have to visit the Sahara to find out what snow is
Hi Milly
Nice photo. Two days ago I remarked on another WUWT thread (see here ) that the photo might be ‘f a k e d’. Another reader said it looks genuine. Subsequently I zoomed in and indeed it does look authentic (/sarc)
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/SPB.jpg
If the moon is made of cheese, Sahara is made of toffee. That white stuff is not snow, that is confectioners sugar. And if you zoom in, you can see a sleuth of gummy bears in state of postprandial somnolence after eating jawbreakers, which are hard to digest, just like global warming science.
http://oi63.tinypic.com/15me2ww.jpg
A fake photo? Maybe we should check with the authorities like snopes ….
Oh wait they seem to be having other problems. Never mind (Gilda Radner moment for me).
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-22/snopes-co-founder-embezzles-98000-drops-weight-leaves-fat-wife-and-marries-actual-wh
Nah, its the Russians again. They did it!
It is freaking easy to say that from Oz.
Many photos of significant snow fall in Aleppo. I don’t know how unusual that is.
Better check with Gary Johnson.
“Greg
December 22, 2016 at 2:07 am
…Better check with Gary Johnson.”
I doubt Johnson/Weld with their choice of SoS could have done more harm than Obama and Kerry.
Greg, I doubt that snow in Aleppo is unusual. January average is under 6C, not much variation needed to get snow.
Its so much worse than evahhhh!
http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/humanity-doomed-because-earth-is-destined-to-become-lifeless-red-planet-just-like-mars-scientist-warns/news-story/6ad9410240770cf21ad31ef1b28af12c
and this just in from the SMH http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/weird-weather-2016-year-of-melting-ice-monster-storms-and-australias-big-wet-20161220-gtfh0i.html
and a quoteable quote “Still, next year is likely to come in as third warmest, underscoring the warming trend in the climate as greenhouse gas concentrations climb ever higher”
very sorry, blame me too.will give up my electric car for an suv. the extra co2 will warm the desert up again. very, very sorry.
I do hate to correct you, but in actuality it is $trillions and not $billions.
Now THAT REALLY sucks!!!
And I love my SUV!!!!
Pics are amazing.
Parts of northern Algeria look like this in winter.
Nice try. At 2,500 to 3,000 meters elevation they sure do.
http://www.skiresort.info/ski-resorts/atlas-mountains/
On the Sahara desert closer to sea level on the other hand not so much.
This is exactly why they switched from global warming to climate change.
The one thing experts are expert at doing is explaining why they weren’t actually wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCi6RkdaEqgRVKi3AzidF4ow
trigger warning
The video is Global Weirding with Katharine Hayhoe. I heard her on the radio. She’s frustrated talking with skeptics. She will think she has the skeptic cornered and the skeptic will raise another point. It’s like playing whack-a-mole.
She is indeed expert at proving that she’s not actually wrong … but she never puts two and two together … maybe the reason the skeptics can raise so many issues is that the mass of evidence points to the fact that CAGW is garbage … she’s too smart and educated to get that.
I think of all of the climate grifters and hustlers, Hayhoe is one of the worst- she combines a religious veneer over her misrepresentation of the science and then tries to confuse Christians (while getting paid).
That video is a great example of her cynical style: Her claim about “weird weather” is simply a cheap and untrue assertion. The rest of her televangelist-style sales pitch goes downhill from there.
The whole video smacks of an ad ignorantiam argument. “We dont have this in our records, so it must be new,” when the reality is that you simply lack sufficient records to have seen it before.
There is really no such thing as ‘unprecedented’ weather or climate. Climate shifts demonstrably (through the fossil record) occur on nearly geological time scales. Ice Ages, for example, are cyclic on a time scale longer than civilization has existed. Our records are short and our ‘living memories’ are even shorter.
Her ‘weird’ weather is definable simply as weather that lies slightly outside the accumulated database – a record temperature or rainfall or dry spell here and there.
As a mathematics major in 1969 I took a course in Numerical Analysis, the art of creating mathematical functions to fit data to varying degrees. I learned there is a theorem that proves one can fit any finite data set perfectly with any of an infinite number of functions, and that function will still be useless for extrapolating the next data point. In brief, forecasting physical world data is mathematically impossible.
In brief, forecasting physical world data is mathematically impossible.
Er, not if you have a physical model that adequately represents the relevant aspects of physical reality, or even just its statistical characteristics. Of course, in the case of climate we don’t have such models. Hence, despite careful ‘parameterisation’, the failure of computer models of climate.
Thanks for the trigger warming, I just had time to click stop before smashing my computer screen.
Hayhoe , away we go, junket riding , junket riding …. flying to a junket.
Exactamundo!
Could there be a white Christmas in the Sahara?
Tha’d be cooler than smoke on the water, something I’ve actually seen.
And fire in the sky?
Bad Moon rising? Fog on the Tyne??
There’s a bathroom on the right…
If there were no smoke on top of the water, there wouldn’t ever be any clouds
now
would there?
I must be dreaming of a white Christmas.
Racist!
Come on Leo, you know fine well there’s nothing racist about attacking ageing white males.
I’m posting from New Zealand. We’re having lots of cool
wet weather this summer, so…
I’m dreaming of a wet Christmas,
just like the ones I used to know
where the rainclouds gather and children glisten
with lotion for suntan’s glow.
I’m dreaming of a wet Christmas,
with every e-mail Hi! I send.
May your life be cool your dams be full,
and all your Christmases be wet.
I wonder how the advocates will blame the snow on global warming, I mean climate change. They almost certainly will, I just don’t know how yet.
Its because … global worming in the Arctic, which has slowed the growth of sea ice so that its extent is almost exactly the same as it was on this day in 2010. That means snow in the Sahara..
There.. close enough, I reckon.
I’m guessing that the ice is pretty thin because the temperatures are way above average. link Want to guess what we’ll be hearing next summer?
Actually, there is more mid-thickness sea ice than any of the previous 5 years.
Its only the new ice that WAS struggling.
Just eyeballing tells you the blue/green area is more than previous 5 years.
Thanks Andy, useful insight. It will be intersting to see what Cryosat2 shows this year.
AndyG55 December 21, 2016 at 11:54 pm,
That sort of implies that the reason the Arctic ice extent has declined is that it’s been piled up in the centre.
That may wel be part of the reason but it is warm up there.
In the Arctic sea ice maps, I see no upward trend in green thickness or anything thicker. Blue/cyan has more area now, but seems to be somewhat thin.
Actually, that may be exactly right. The ice worms are eating all the ice pack. There are so many undiscovered species it’s almost a sure bet that the only reason ice worms haven’t been found is nobody is looking for them. With all sizes, from microscopic to a meter long, they could be everywhere, causing our doom.
As Senator Nanny Pelosi explained, there is no evidence until you search for it.
M Courtney
December 22, 2016 at 4:32 am
Warmer than normal in the Arctic means, for example, at Barrow, AK a December average of perhaps -10 degrees F rather than -13.8 F average. So in any case still well below freezing. Next week, the low and high will be much colder than normal, forecast for -14 F high (v. -1.8 ave.) and -19 F low.
Clearly, air temperature isn’t the reason why sea ice extent is slightly below average so far this winter. It will return to the normal zone in Jan if not this month.
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/
Au contraire mon ami. Ice worms are real! The way they will lead us to our doom is that they are the basis of a cocktail. When you stumble over an ice worm what do you do? You make a cocktail. More ice worms == more hangovers. A bucket of ice worms is really quite bad news.
The old standby excuse is more moisture in the air. Colder air has nothing to do with making snow, don’t you know?
Examples of almost unprecedented cooling are also just weather. Unlike heat waves, which prove catastrophic man-made climate change.
I hope we are not returning to the climate of 1944-77. Brrr!
I think you mean the climate of 1984.
Hive,
Oops! The Ministry of Truth will be on my case now. I’ve lost the love of Big Brother.
C’mon Tom –
it is warm snow, don’t you know?
/grin
Global warming has actually raised the freezing point of water – or is lower? – whichever the case, it’s going to wreck havoc on us. /sarcoff
Oh, that’s easy — hidden heat in the Earth’s crust, accumulating in deep layers of the dessert, after decades of repeated, daily warming of unprecedented degree-higher temperatures suddenly reached a tipping point at which time the cumulative volume of heat initiated spontaneous emissions of green house gases trapped in the subtrata, pushing the gas into the lower toposphere, where it now absorbed more upwelling long-wave radiation at a rate that slowed its re-emission to outer space, thereby increasing the temperatures below to cause more evaporation that formed snow higher up, coinciding with the now-cooler immediate surface caused by increasing upwelling radiation at the interface of ground and air that allowed the snow to stick to the otherwise hot sand.
Totally physically impossible, you say? … Well, I didn’t say it was a sound scientific argument; I just said it was easy. (^_^)
Sort of looks like peach sorbet with cream. 🙂
It must be molten snow.
no bubbles… can’t be from CO2 !
It’s a beautiful picture for texture and color contrast. I would like to see a picture of the blooming flowers that should follow.
Of course, global cooling is caused by global warming.
😉
“War is peace”, “freedom is slavery”, “Ignorance is strength,”, Cooling is warming.”
“global cooling is caused by global warming”
Nearly had it right Allan.
Should have been – localised cooling is caused by global warming. There, fixed.
@ur momisugly tony…can you explain the interactions behind the process where global warming will lead to any level of cooling?
“localised cooling is caused by global warming. ”
THANK YOU… !!! Except you got it the wrong way around, and totally mixed up…
Its an alarmist trait.. CONFUSED IDIOCY !!
Localised warming from El Nino events is the ONLY thing that has caused any “Global Average Temperature” warming.
Nowhere that missed out on the El Nino or AMO effects has had any warming at all.
There is absolutely ZERO CO2 warming signature in the whole of the satellite data.
Something you will eventually have to admit.
Certainly goldminor.
The much warmer Arctic has resulted in a weakening and disruption of the polar jet. This has allowed cold air usually confined to the Arctic to increasingly be pushed south and anomalously warm air to flow north.
This explains it pretty well.
http://apps.startribune.com/blogs/user_images/pauldouglas_1424795650_polarvortexNOAA.jpg
@ur momisugly tony mcleod December 22, 2016 at 12:36 am
Tony that is circular reasoning. The warm air got there because the Arctic temperatures were higher with the warm air?
The energy for the entire convective cycling of heat to the poles where it vents to space is input at the equator from the Sun. The Hadley Cell convection abuts the Ferrel Cells and there is a jet formed by the Coriolis forces where they meet. There is a similar jet formed where the convective Ferrel cells meet the polar air. If the heating from the equator is lower the Hadley cells shrink and the jets form Rossby waves and become latitudinal. If the convection weakens more then the Rossby waves become even more extreme. Indeed recently the polar jet in the Northern Hemisphere has been crossing the pole. Winds at lower levels have been blowing from as far South as the Azores up to the pole. This ‘warm’ air has displaced the polar air into Siberia and the Middle East and down over Canada into the Northern USA where cold extremes are being noted.
Yes the Arctic air has warmed but it is in reality an extreme cooling event for the world as the heat energy radiates to space in the continuous polar night both from the air and from the open sea without ice cover..
“tony mcleod December 22, 2016 at 12:36 am”
Can you show how this is driven by the emissions of CO2 from human activities?
Tony Mcleod, you have fallen for the rubbish they printed in the Guardin earlier in the week. That’s understandable as it sounds very plausible – that the polar jret stream has been weakened by a warming Arctic and thus warm air and cold air have got muddled up.
It sounds like a good just-so story but that’s all it is, without observations.
And we do have observations. See here.
The polar jet stream hasn’t weakened and that hasn’t happened.
What has happened is weather.
And in 1979 it was the opposite – the cold caused the vortex,etc and the cold down south.
Today they made it up Tony to suit the occasion. In 2000 Dr David Viner said kid will not see snow in England. Now they said the warming is causing the snow. Sure, sure.
M
Chanel Tapper
I know you have noticed, but – for the benefit of passing Mann-ians or others of like beliefs – we have had some weather the last months/years/decades/centuries/millennia.
Sometimes a little warmer, and sometime a little cooler.
Weather does that.
Auto, looking forward to some weather tomorrow – and the next day.
PS – Not jousting with the railway ‘service’ until the weather gets to 2017! Huzzah! What a result!
The perils of cut and paste.
My last post – apologies – should have started: –
“M
December 22, 2016 at 2:57 am ”
No reference intended to the – doubtless delightful – Chanel Tapper.
Apologies again.
Auto.
[Hangs Head.]
Don’t read it M.
There is some evidence: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2012GL051000/abstract;jsessionid=55762A19B2A8A1CD56B9CA1ADCD45AA6.f02t04
Probably too early to say for sure but it is a plausible explanation.
“And in 1979 it was the opposite – the cold caused the vortex…”
Gerald… are you just making that up?
CO2, the magic molecule. It can do anything.
Ahhh a white Christmas for the camels…how much wool would I need to make a sweater to cover those humps?
What a nice thought ! After all…..it is hump day , isn’t it ?
Camel-colored sweaters are always appropriate covers for those humps… no matter
what hemisphere you’re in.
“it is only the second time in living memory that snow has fallen on the Sahara desert.”
Sounds like a sweeping claim. Has it been closely monitored?
Roger Pielke Sr on snow in the Sahara, 2012.
One can closely monitor her or his own little spot of turf. In that regard I can say each and every year I can remember – since “I like Ike” buttons – has had snow.
Thus, my question would be, What does a person think at age 40 or so that encounters falling snow for the first time?
For context, this past September (on a trail crew in Mt. Rainier N. P.) we had to instruct visitors to stay on the trail until the trail and the snow intersected. There was no need to scramble across the scree, we said, but it was a tough sell to a few folks that had never touched snow.
It should have said on Aïn Séfra and environs.
Other parts of the Sahara have had snowfall in other recent cold years. But the point is that snow was more common there from the late ’40s to ’70s, and in this decade has once again become more common.
This shows yet again that the surface “data” sets are bogus works of anti-science fantasy, whose corrupt perpetrators should be perp walked.
“This shows yet again that the surface “data” sets are bogus works of anti-science fantasy”
Not even close to being true Chimp. Says more about you.
““This shows yet again that the surface “data” sets are bogus works of anti-science fantasy”
Gee , how accurate is that statement
Nearly half the land surface data is a total fabrication, and the quality of most of the rest is totally unknown.
Its a FARCE… at the very BEST.
tony mcleod
December 21, 2016 at 7:57 pm
It has been repeatedly demonstrated that the so-called “data” sets are totally corrupt.
This has been obvious since at least the 1990s, when the 1930s started magically to cool and the 1960s and ’70s to warm. All you have to do is look at NOAA’s own temperature averages from the 1970s and ’80s to see how consistently the “record” has been manipulated to fit the CACA fantasy.
The decades of cooling that looked so scary in 1977 hardly exist in the “record” in its present adjusted out of all connection to reality state.
“Snow falling on the Saharan mountain ranges is very rare, let alone on the sandy dunes of the continent’s largest desert.”
Bechar is 2,400 feet or 750m in elevation.
“Has it been closely monitored?”
Yes, there are 23 snowfall monitoring stations situated throughout the Saharan desert. 40% of the stations are located so remotely that they are occupied 24 hours per day by an on site monitor/caretaker. The remaining 60% of the stations are close enough to urban areas that the persons monitoring the stations do not live at the stations … they are monitored by shift workers.
These stations have been monitored consistently and without fail (except for 5 times when a caretaker at one of the respective remote sites had died … in these case the monitoring data was missing for an average of 32 days). The stations were initially establishment in the summer of 1846 (although questioned, it has never been determined why the program was initiated in the summer months).
The record data from the stations show that the claim “… only second time in living memory …” is not valid. There was snow in 1979 at 3 of the monitoring stations. In 1944 one station had record of snow precipitation, but no accumulation. In 1882 there was snow recorded at 7 of the stations with up to 2 cm of accumulated snow, which lasted for 3 days on the ground.
Nick, you were very astute to question the validity of the very misleading and sweeping claim … good job, keep it up.
It is also snowing in Aleppo, Syria today. Pity the people trying to cope in a ruined city. GK
Not so for the Eastern Sahara, as you can see from 2013:
..that’s like saying it snowed at Disney World
glad it’s rare!
Haven’t seen this on CNN, which is the only news channel I get on DISH here in the Baja….
For 6 out 7 continents including Africa the record for the hottest day was set before the record for the coldest day: http://www.space.com/17816-earth-temperature.html
Years Hottest & Coldest Day Record Were Set:
The World : : Hot 1913 Cold 1983
Europe : : Hot 1977 Cold 1978
Africa : : Hot 1931 Cold 1935
Australia : : Hot 1960 Cold 1974
South America : : Hot 19o5 Cold 1907
North America : : Hot 1913 Cold 1947
Asia : : Hot 1942 Cold 1933
Antarctica : : Hot 1974 Cold 1983
On the wide-scale continental level, after a century of runaway warming the record hot days should have been set very recently, and the record cold days set way in the past. Not so. It’s the opposite.
And btw that’s one kind of data that NASA can’t manipulate! And it’s that data that belies the leftists on global warming.
NASA and NOAA are working to disappear old records, however, as they did with the former world record. And they set up a new recording station opposite a south-facing cliff in Death Valley to try to kill the US record, too.
Swine. Let’s hope that Trump beats them back away from the slop trough.
Elevation of Aïn Séfra is 1081 m (3547 ft).
Great observational evidence, Eric. Thanks for sharing that.
Bottom line on AGW:
CO2 EMISSIONS WAAAAY UP. WARMING — NOT!
#(:))
Bwah ha, ha, ha, ho, ho, HO, HO, HO, HO, HOOOOOOOOOO!
“Meeeeerry Christmas! MEEEEERRRRRYYYYY CHRISTMAS!”
(youtube)
It was looking kind of bleak on The Island of Science Realist Misfit Toys there for awhile, but,
the good guys won..
Thanks for the nice Christmas video, Janice. 🙂
And good points, Chip. We’ll see if the cold record gets broken in Antarctica. Regardless, even with all the new instrumentation I think the hot record in Antarctica is going to stand.
Now that more of Antarctica has been instrumented, its cold records are liable to fall.
So predictable.
https://twitter.com/brandonrgates/status/811732926249332736
So is your snobbery.
I’ll just chalk that up to “backlash”, Anthony:
https://twitter.com/brandonrgates/status/811742156670930944
Children won’t know what snow is.
The proof is still waiting for CAGW or AGW to prove that CO2 affects temperatures as claimed by the alarmists.
1988 – 2016: 28 years of claims about runaway warming along with every kind of alleged disaster because of CO2.
• Hottest year evah! Hottest day evah!
• Cold is because of CO2, The Polar vortex is caused by global warming.
Climate change is such an overused metaphor by the alarmists. It was cold, It was hot, it’s Climate Change
Duh!! The climate always changes and always will, even in your CO2 foggy future.
• The Polar regions will melt, The Arctic is vanishing, The Antarctic is growing; all because of CO2.
• Fish are dying, shrinking, getting lost; all from CO2.
• Tornadoes are more common, frequent, more powerful; no tornadoes have not shown any trends up.
• Hurricanes will be more frequent, bigger and more powerful; we need a Category 6! Nope, longest period in modern history without a major category hurricane striking mainland USA. Hurricane index is not rising.
• Penguins are in danger of extinction! Nope, bird brain researchers are scaring penguins off their roosts and then failing to follow them.
• Polar Bears are in danger of extinction! Not even the world’s greatest polar bear activists are making that claim anymore.
• Butterflies, birds, bats, picas, marmots, frogs, amphibians, etc., etc. are facing extinction!
No, again bird brained researchers spread the diseases endangering the amphibians, frogs, and bats. Nor are they good at tracking pica and marmot movements.
• We are facing the sixth extinction and half of the world’s wildlife is endangered!
Maybe from encroaching civilization, but there are darn few extinctions for all of the hype!
But those bird, bat and insect frying solar arrays are darned efficient at wiping out local wildlife.
Not forgetting the bird and bat avian-matic chop-all wind farms.
So predictable!!
What was predicted from the very beginning of the 2014 El Nino hints, was all of the lame “Hottest year/day Evah” alarmist stories. Months of waiting for the inevitable shoes to drop where alarmist desperately try to prove their favorite fantasies about the Earth responding to Man’s emissions of CO2.
The El Nino is gone. What do you plan to do next year!?
Tell Trump, he must wait till the next El Nino!?
So predictable, and so sad. The tired alarmist cries. The distressed and despondent depressed prophets of CO2 doom.
Have a Happy New Year Brandon! maybe…
Al Gore was there?
More like “How can AGW be a significant problem if it’s snowing in the Sahara?”
The actions required to deal with something so imperceptible are incredibly expensive.
Excellent concise summation M Courtney!
Thank you, ATheoK.
And may I take this opportunity to recommend (and highlight) your comment on the ‘Obama enacts’ thread.
The fact that there is precedent for reversal is most informative.
> More like “How can AGW be a significant problem if it’s snowing in the Sahara?”
1) Weather != Climate
2) Sahara Desert != Entire Planet
HTH
I’m tickled that Brandon gets his panties in a twist over our reporting an interesting weather event that hadn’t happened for decades at that location. His smug self-assuredness of his own assumptions about why the article is here (and shouldn’t be) are entertaining both here and at Twitter.
Of course, if I were reporting a new record high temperature in Antractica that had not been beaten for decades, he’d be happy about it, because it bolsters his meme. Antarctica != Entire planet unless its a warm record.
Merry Christmas Brandon. Enjoy your box of rocks.
> His smug self-assuredness of his own assumptions about why the article is here (and shouldn’t be) are entertaining both here and at Twitter.
It’s interesting what you consider “interesting weather event[s]”, Anthony:
Emphasis mine. No particular reason for it — I just think it’s … interesting.
[It would not matter what I posted, you’d disagree with it, or find something smug to say like you did on Twitter. But please, feel free to feel “interested” all you want, while I feel free to ignore your whining -Anthony]
When we climate realists chortle about these things, Brandon, we do it with a sense of irony. When you alarmists say stupid stuff like “this snow in the Sahara is more evidence of man-caused global warming,” or “the Polar vortex never got all loopy before SUVs” are spoken in earnest. Yes, we’re laughing at your understanding of climate, yes, we’re mocking your hubris. But we have good reason.
…… nothing unusual: Two polar bears walked in the Sahara desert. One said: Plenty of
ice around here. The second said: Where is the ice? the first bear replied: See, how
they sanded everywhere to make sure, nobody slips out.
Couldn’t see the the other one.
Hilarious – “end of snow”, anyone?
Lol.
— “millions of degrees,” anyone?
— “planetary emergency,” anyone?
— “missing heat,” anyone?
— “it’s a travesty,” anyone?
Cheers, Phil! lololololol
I was in Algeria in March 2004 and it had snowed overnight before I landed. I’ll write more after I get back home after my walk on this tropical beach.
Here’s my comment Thursday March 4th 2004 from my diary: “To Gatwick at 05:00. Flew to Hassi Messaoud at 07:00 – 10:00. Flew Hassi to Ghardaia 12:00 Drove to rig 8 hours – it had snowed for the first time in 25 years the night before!”
I remember flying over the desert and seeing water everywhere. I thought it was kind of strange… We were due to land near the rig site on a temporary strip but were diverted to Ghardaia. The temporary strip was mud: It had snowed overnight. All the local guys at the rig had built snowmen and had snowball fights because they had never seen snow before. They had loads of photos. I should have taken some copies.
So instead of a 30 minute trip from the temporary landing strip I had to endure an 8 hour trip through the desert with my military convoy. The ex-SAS guy in charge wouldn’t let me stop and get out and crawl over the fantastic surface geology!
In fact, Algeria has at least one ski resort. And only about 400 m higher altitude than this location.
Only 400m makes a huge difference, nick.
Some snow resort that would be with snow every 37 years. 400m altitude does make a difference (evidently).
“Nick Stokes December 21, 2016 at 7:56 pm
In fact, Algeria has at least one ski resort. And only about 400 m higher altitude than this location.”
Nick, you should know that with each ~1000ft increase in elevation results in a ~1c drop in temps. So 400m is ~1200ft. Still clutching at alarmist straws Nick.
“So 400m is ~1200ft. “
Yes. And I would expect that a site 400m lower than a ski resort would likely see snow every few years.
“Nick Stokes December 22, 2016 at 2:21 am
Yes. And I would expect that a site 400m lower than a ski resort would likely see snow every few years.”
In a world with an ever increasingly warming atmosphere heated from the surface that is heated from the air (CO2) above it. Sure!
Wow! I hope the skiers who went up 37 years ago were ready for this!
The comparison with the “coming ice age” era of the late 70s is interesting.
That was at the end of a cooling period. This is at the start of one.
Another AGW prediction comes true. They predicted more extreme weather events, and this is one of them.
Wrong. They never predict them. AFTER they occur, every time, they make the completely unsupported by any evidence or proof of causation claim that the event was “caused by AGW.”
That’s it.
Ask them for evidence and proof and you get nothing of meaningful substance. NOTHING.
Janice says: “They never predict them.”
…
The EPA says: “But climate change is increasing the odds of more extreme weather events taking place.”
…
https://www.epa.gov/climate-change-science/understanding-link-between-climate-change-and-extreme-weather
…
Janice, I guess you don’t understand what “increasing the odds of” means.
Well, they did predict warmer, and that snow is trapping the heat of the sand under it …
/grin
I guess you don’t know what “predict” an “event” means.
Further, check out tornado and hurricane landfall stats. EPA loses.
@Steve Helms –
Note the did not predict “global warming” would increase those odds, the said “climate change”. They didn’t change to “climate change” until after “global warming” wasn’t happening.
Janice has it right.
And again: that there was an unusual cold event in the Sahara doesn’t = “increas{ed} … extreme weather events taking place.”
That is, Mr. Heins, your assertion was a non sequitur — as well as being intrinsically incorrect.
JohnWho & Janice:
.
Snow in the Sahara is an “extreme weather event”
.
The EPA predicted the odds of extreme weather events would increase”
.
PS Janice, the subject here is snow in the Sahara, not tornadoes or hurricanes. Please try to stay on subject.
Steve, too bad you don’t know what “more extreme weather events” means.
One more @Steve Heins:
I’m curious – when did the EPA become a weather or climate predicting authority?
Janice
This reminds me of the comical “Asterix and the soothsayer” (a con artist) who’s farourite saying was “this I had also foreseen”.
https://goo.gl/images/olcW7r
“Steve Heins December 21, 2016 at 6:57 pm
Snow in the Sahara is an “extreme weather event“”
Says who?
The warmists have a perfect negative predictive track record. Every one of their scary predictions has failed to materialize.
Steve,
Snow in the Sahara was not predicted and it’s not an extreme event. Just fairly rare weather.
“Predictions” of “extreme weather” without specificity or statistical significance are not science. It’s just another way to try to lie out decades of failed predictions. When the liars even bother actually to predict, rather than “project”.
Think how “extreme” WX must have been when CO2 levels were 20 times higher than now! Cold makes for high winds, not warmth.
They “predicted” everything, which to say they predicted nothing.
CAGW fail.
You know Joel, I believe you nailed it:
They predicted “something” would happen, and then, lo and behold, “something” did happen.
Can’t fail there – when discussing weather, something is happening everywhere all the time so predicting that something may happen in the future is probably, maybe, could be, true.
/grin
And when they miss the side of the barn.. they just build a bigger barn. !
If they predict EVERY possible weather event.. maybe, eventually, they will get one correct.
And won’t it be a hullabaloo when they do !!! 🙂
“PS Janice, the subject here is snow in the Sahara, not tornadoes or hurricanes. Please try to stay on subject.”
Actually Steve, you’re the one that changed the subject to extreme weather events (@6:23 pm). Don’t you read your own posts.
And Janice, I owe you an apology. When you responded to Steve Heins, I thought, “oh come on Janice, he obviously forgot the sarc tag.” Imagine my surprise when he tried to defend his original post. But, of course he’s right – the EPA said something might happen somewhere, sometime, and it did. Are they psychic?
“AndyG55 December 21, 2016 at 7:08 pm
And when they miss the side of the barn.. they just build a bigger barn. !”
No, the barn is the same. What has changed is the “weapon” (Alarmist propaganda) used now is much bigger to spread the muck wider. It’s bound to stick.
This is the one I always go to first. To predict change in a system which is pretty much defined by the fact that it always changes is like predicting that eddies will be observed in a waterfall. it is voodoo non-science of a kind so unprecedented it literally defies belief.
Did they ever tell exactly what extreme weather events would occur, and where and when they would occur?
If they said “on 19 December 2016, snow will fall on the desert around Ain Sefra”, that would be pretty impressive.
Saying “in the next few years, you’ll get some unusual weather somewhere in the world” is a little less impressive.
“Ain Sefra” ? I blame Rommel.
“The EPA predicted the odds of extreme weather events would increase …”.
========================
I have no idea if they did nor any interest in finding out for sure, but if they did, they surely didn’t mean that increasing an atmospheric GHG would cause more extreme cold events.
That would be totally counterintuitive and absurd.
… unless of course the EPA hold that the net climate feedback effect of increasing CO2 is negative.
The kinds of extreme weather events they were predicting not having materialised,
I’m left wondering just WHO predicted THIS weather event.
I don’t remember anyone ever saying “Thanks to CO2 there will be more snow in
the Sahara”. One reference can prove me wrong, of course.
Let me guess Al Gore was going to speak at the Sahara Desert. Isn’t that what usually happens wherever the blowhard has a speaking engagement?
This is an unexpected weather event. Climate, nope per definition.
Lets all go back to whatever.
Unusual comes to mind as a good way to describe it.
Unusual only in the VERY short time we have had the ability to observe these sort of NATURAL events.
It’s starting to melt. 5 bucks says they call the resulting dampness “sea level rise”! Lol
Record cold in the continental USA. Record cold in India. Snow falling in the Sahara.
But you know what story Australian papers ran with today? “Arctic is 50 degrees above average”. Though I think they are relying on people seeing the headline and not reading the article because the article says that models predict it will be 30 degrees above average in January.
I saw a similar story with the headline written in the present tense on to find on reading that it’s a prediction of 2030. It’s the new media. There is no such thing as reality anymore.
In the Arctic, Polar bears and ice are increasing. Temperture moves up and down in a jagged pattern. It was higher 3 weeks ago, dropped sharply, bounced up, and will be going down again.
This up and down thing is frequent. However, it has been below freezing for the last 100 days or so.
Go here: http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php
The table on the left: Arkiv (archive) – retrieves a chart for each year. Try a few and see the rapid changes, more so in some years than others.
For example, in 1990 at the end of the year (right side) there was a big up from a very cold day – maybe day 348 or 349.
It is hibernating time. Wake me if something strange happens.
No, the ice isn’t increasing over time, the polar bears are in trouble and at the Pole (in the dark) it is just around freezing now instead of 20 C below.
Here’s the current ice extent – still a record low.
The ice arrived late in Hudson Bay and has not yet reached Svalbard. you look up what that means for bear populations… see also recent reports on the scavenging of S Beaufort bear population – why are they on shore not on the ice?
Bull. That scavenging is taking place because the bears find it easier to forage in human waste than hunt – a common issue in multiple environments. Their biggest problem right now is that they’re getting overweight from the glut of food.
“Griff December 22, 2016 at 12:36 am
why are they on shore not on the ice?”
As with any wild animal, as soon as they find an easy source of food, it is preferred to hunting. It’s easier for a bear to open a garbage can than hunt seals on floating ice. So, bear eating habits *ARE* changing due to opportunistic food source sources. So, we could say we are changing the way hears hunt/eat, but it is nothing to do with ice loss due to AGW.
@ur momisugly Patrick MJD: I really do think we should be incinerating more than dumping. Lots of luverly co2, potential for hot water supplies plus less mess with dramatically lowered scavenger populations and decreased impact on wildlife feeding patterns.
“cephus0 December 22, 2016 at 3:49 am”
Yeah I agree! Here in Aus we don’t get too many Johnny Polar Bear invasions but we do get natives in our bins, possums (Protected animal in Aus) etc rooting through waste, and sometimes if the “spoils” are good, they can be really aggressive. I can understand it, get between me and my lunch, I may take your arm off, esp if it is free!
Wowzers, Grif is stuck not only on stupid but irrelevant.
The same story said GISS expected it to be 0.14 degrees hotter than last year.
Makes you wonder where they get their average from.
“But you know what story Australian papers ran with today? “Arctic is 50 degrees above average”.”
I saw that in WaPo. Toward the end of the story there was a hint that by “arctic” they meant above 80 degrees latitude. That’s only part of the arctic. Maybe equivocation was employed.
Just a thought here from a climate skeptic. Wouldn’t snow be a very rare event in the Sahara primarily because it is very dry most of the time? For all I know, it might get cold enough for snow maybe twenty, fifty, or a hundred times and be humid enough on only one of those occasions? I dunno. Just asking.
Very good point. Temperatures in the Sahara region are currently above average for the time of year: http://pamola.um.maine.edu/fcst_frames/GFS-025deg/DailySummary/GFS-025deg_WORLD-CED_T2_anom.png
Temps are above average in areas south of where this happened, as shown on your link. Ain Sefra is in an area that is shown to be having average temps according to your link. Also note that further west in the Atlas Mountain range that there is a below average streak of temps which runs down the spine of the Atlas Mountain range. Here is Ain Sefra’s location…https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7586526,-0.6189257,7z
I stand corrected. The place where the snowfall occurred is having ‘average’ temperatures for the time of year. As a region, most of the Sahara is ‘warmer than average’ for the time of year.
Snow falls in Sahara Desert – the first time in 37 years or snow falls in the Sahara Desert for the second time in 38 years. Take your pick.
It isn’t just the USA, in northern Africa, reports suggest that it is only the second time in living memory that snow has fallen on the Sahara desert. The last record is for February 18, 1979, when the snow storm lasted just half an hour.
Snow falling on the Saharan mountain ranges is very rare, let alone on the sandy dunes of the continent’s largest desert.
Well these photos are from Ain Sefra, Algeria which is in the Atlas mountains not the Sahara desert. Snow in the atlas mountains is not that uncommon, in fact there are ski resorts there!