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Tom Port: “The simple fact is that Iran was never going to shut down their nuclear program entirely, and there is no way short of war we could have forced them to do so.”
We should have gone to war and forced them. I agree, the Mad Mullahs of Iran would not give up their ace in the hole voluntarily. We should have made them give it up, when it would have been a whole lot easier. Eventually, there *will* be a war over it, but the Mad Mullahs will be in much better shape to carry out such a conflict the longer we leave them unmolested.
Tom Port: “And war with Iran, even if successful, would likely have completed the destruction of the U.S. economy.”
Not even close. G. W. Bush had the troops in place to take out the Mad Mullahs. There were hundreds of thousands of U.S. troops on each side of Iran, in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Iranian military would have surrendered, and the Mad Mullah’s Revolutionary Guard would have gone down to defeat about as quickly as Saddam’s Iraqi army (a matter of weeks). Plus, the Iranian people were ready to overthrow the Mad Mullahs and would have welcomed an American invasion. They would probably still welcome a U.S. invasion, although there’s no chance of that happening now with out current crop of shortsighted, hesitant American politicians.
Alas, G.W., like his father before him, could not see the Big Picture and left a growing problem for us to deal with. George H.W., left Saddam Insane in power after the first Gulf War in 1990, and we had to go back and do it all over again in 2003, and his son G.W. leaves the Mad Mullahs in power and we are going to have to go back and do that all over again, too. Only this time, the Mad Mullahs will possibly have some Barack Obama-nukes to use.
Pay a little now, or pay a whole lot later. That is the basis for a sound, safe future. You are not going to get out of paying. You just have to figure out how much you want to pay. I, personally, don’t want to pay any more than I have to, which means deal with the problems now, not later. Nip the problem in the bud. If you don’t do that, the problem will just get worse and worse until you are forced to do something about it, only now you are in a much worse position than if you had acted when the problem could have been contained.
The whole situation would look a whole lot different had Bush taken out the Mad Mullahs when he had the chance. You have to strike when the iron is hot. Our leadership failed us, and has left us in a precarious position.

Tom Port October 13, 2016 at 5:35 pm wrote: “TA Maybe you are a military expert. I am not. But Iran is a country of some 65 millIon people and has a fairly sophisticated military and technological apparatus.”
So was Saddam’s Iraq. They had equivalent militaries. Recall that Iraq and Iran fought each other to a standstill on several occasions.
TP: “We have been in Afghanistan for 15 years and we are still nowhere.”
That would be because Barack Obama is not interested in winning that war. His dereliction of duty in Afghanistan is about to result in the Taliban retaking the country. Simply because of lack of effort on Obama’s part.
TP: “We still cant beat ISIS although we are probably getting close in Iraq.”
We could destroy the Islamic Terror Army in a matter of weeks, if we decided to put in sufficient forces. Instead, Obama has allowed them to run rampant across the Middle East for years destroying and murdering the innocent. Obama acts like an innocent bystander to all the mayhem.
TP: “But how much have we spent in theMid East? A couple trillion?
At least that much. When figuring in costs, figure in the cost of the dead and maimed Americans who got that way because of Iranian sophisticated IED’s that were supplied to Iraqi terrorists during the war. Iran is *still* sending IED’s into Iraq to kill Americans. That alone is justification enough for me to favor attacking the Mad Mullahs militarily. There is a whole long list of other justification that could be listed also. The Mad Mullahs have a murderous history with the U.S.
TP: “What do we have to show for it?”
Well, before Barack Obama took over and threw all the Iraqi gains away, Iraq was doing pretty good. Bush had run Al Qaeda in Iraq (later to become ISIS) *out* of Iraq by 2008, and Iraq was settling down and starting to carry out the normal business of a country. They had their first free elections, and we saw many smiling Iraqis proudly holding up their purple-stained fingers showing they had voted. Lots of Iraqi entrepreneurs were seen all over Iraq, making things better a little bit at a time. No carbombs went off in Baghdad from 2008 until about two weeks after President Obama pulled all U.S. combat troops out of Iraq in Dec. 2011. G.W. Bush had turned Iraq into a success story (even Obama tried to take credit in 2011, for how well Iraq was doing), and then Obama pulled all the U.S. troops our and turned Iraq and the entire Middle East into a horror story because of his pacifism and bad judgement.
TP: “And then there is Russia which would certainly have backed Iran as it borders on Russia.
I don’t think so. Russia would have made noises, but that is all they would have done. Remember, this was before Russia’s leader lost respect for the U.S. president. At that time, Russia still had to deal with Bush and they could not count on him backing down like they can now with Obama. But the bottom line is we cannot allow Russia, or any other country to determine how we pursue our national security. If it is in our national security interests, we do it. If someone doesn’t like it, that’s too bad. We are prepared to defend our actions.
TP: “When Russia fired a cruise mission from the Caspian sea they were sending us a message.”
They would not have sent the same message while Bush was in Office. Or if they did, they may have gotten a reply back.
TP: “But there are always those who cant wait to get us into another war.”
I hope you are not referring to me in that respect. I’m not eager for war, but if you see a war coming on the horizon, then you should prepare for it, and you should try to limit the damage to yourself as much as possible. Allowing maniacs to gather their power for long periods of time is not the way to limit damage to yourself. Pretending war is not coming, as most Leftists do, is not a way to limit damage, either.
The timeframe I am talking about for dealing with Iran was right after G.W. Bush had defeated Saddam’s Iraqi army. Bush was on a roll, and the U.S. military looked unstoppable, which is probably why Libya’s Mooemar Kaddafy (there are dozens of spellings of this guy’s name, that’s mine) decided it was time to give up his nuclear weapons program. No doubt fearing Bush would be knocking on his door next. So Kadaffy gave up his nuke program (the nuclear bomb plans were written in Chinese, btw). Bush had the psychological edge on the Bad Guys.
At the same time, the Iranian people were clamoring for more freedom and were demonstrating against the Mad Mullahs. I have no doubt that the U.S. military would have made short work of the Iranian military and the Revolutionary Guard if it had come to that, but I do think the regular Iranian military (who have no love for the Revolutionary Guards) could have been talked into remaining in their barracks while U.S. forces mopped up the Revolutionary Guards.
I honestly don’t even think it would have taken an invasion of Iran. I think if Bush had just convinced everyone that he was going to go in, and then moved U.S. troops into position to invade, that that alone would have been all it would take for the Iranian people to go into the streets and throw off their Mad Rulers. All they were looking for was someone to cover their back.
Of course, you never know for sure how people are going to react psychologically to the situation. But that’s how I think it could have worked. Human psychology is 90 percent of war and I think the time was right to have done something positive with Iran (a small war is much better than a big war).
Leftists are totally unsuited to dealing with national security matters. They screw it up every time they are put in charge. They screwed it up in South Vietnam, they screwed it up in Iraq and in Afghanistan, and they are screwing it up now with Iran, North Korea, China and Russia. They are in over their heads, and unfortunately, our enemies know it, and are acting accordingly, taking advantage where they can.
We don’t get to opt out of war. Obama tried that in Iraq. Look what that got him. Obama forgot that the only way to end a war is when *both* sides stop fighting. If only one side stops fighting, the war is still not over. We can’t just quit and go home. The war will follow us home.
It would be wonderful if we lived in a world devoid of murderous psychopaths but that is not the case, and we have to deal with these psychopaths, otherwise they will kill us. And we can’t have that.