As commenter “Bad Andrew” says:
You have got to do a post on this. Meanwhile, other countries laugh:
Obama Rebuffed As Superpowers Refuse To Sign Arctic Climate Agreement
On Sunday and Monday, foreign ministers and other international leaders met in Anchorage, Alaska to attend the Conference on Global Leadership in the Arctic. As a sign of the importance the United States placed on the Alaska forum, President Barack Obama attended. He used the conference as a platform for urging swifter action to combat climate change. After the conference, the representatives of the Arctic Council members signed a joint statement affirming “our commitment to take urgent action to slow the pace of warming in the Arctic.” China said that it needed more time to review the document before signing. But RT had a different take, saying that China and India “opted not to sign the document” because “reducing emissions entails huge expenditure and loss of economic effectiveness.” The failure to come to an agreement at the GLACIER conference sends a troubling signal for the Paris summit, and for U.S.-China cooperation in general. –Shannon Tiezzi, The Diplomat, 1 September 2015
The US-led GLACIER environmental conference in Anchorage ended with a joint declaration calling for more international action to tackle climate change. But Russia (the world’s leading oil and gas producer), China (the world largest producer of goods), and India with its huge emerging economy opted not to sign the document, however nonbinding it might appear. For China and India reducing emissions entails huge expenditure and loss of economic effectiveness, and for Russia the upcoming environmental deal brings additional costs to the oil and gas extraction industries. Moscow is boosting Russia’s presence in the Arctic, including militarily, for at least two reasons: future hydrocarbons extraction and the Northern Sea Route, a much shorter way from Asia to Europe, which could soon be operable year-around because of less ice in the Arctic Ocean. —Russia Today, 1 September 2015
While visiting Alaska and becoming the first American president to enter the Arctic Circle, President Obama announced Tuesday he would speed up the acquisition of icebreakers to help the U.S. Coast Guard navigate an area that Russia and China increasingly see as a new frontier. The announcement is the latest power play in the Arctic north, where melting ice has led to a race for resources and access. Forty percent of the world’s oil and natural gas reserves lie under the Arctic. Melting ice also would lead to new shipping routes, and Russia wants to establish a kind of Suez Canal which it controls. More than a Cold War, Russia may be preparing for an Ice War, and the Pentagon is taking note. –Jennifer Griffin, Fox News, 2 September 2015
The quote from Obama:
“If we do nothing, Alaskan temperatures are projected to rise between six and twelve degrees by the end of the century ”
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“China said that it needed more time to review the document before signing.”
Which you can interpret as, “We would like to politely disagree with what is in this document. We shall meet again as friends at a future date.”
Somewhat like the Japanese. I’ve been told that In Japanese culture a bald-faced “no” to any request is seen as impolite. The polite response is to say that such-and-such a thing “would be difficult”. I imagine there are modifications to this circumlocution to place the reply somewhere on the line from “we can see eventual agreement” to “no f*****g way”.
How about “Hell effin’ no!”
Would that be better, or worse?
When 51% pay no taxes , but collect money from the government , this is the government that you get !!!!
Note that Canada didn’t even bother to attend Obama’s climate religion festival. Just as well – it would have been impolite for any Canadian attendees to tell Obama to go f! himself!
You are correct! In East Asia, there are many ways to say no, which to a Westerner lacking experience in that region of the world would sound like a qualified “yes.” They all mean “no.”
There is one way to say “yes.”
In East Asian cultures, they will all say “yes” and mean “no”. For example, Koreans will say “yes” whilst sucking air in, this means “definately no”. Sometimes, a repeated “yes”, whilst nodding and smiling broadly and shaking your hand to show you the door also means “no way”.
We have become a nation of idiots, led by morons.
Actually, the leaders of this nation are not morons. They have a very specific agenda, which is to destroy the US as we know it. The fact that they are somewhat successful in this effort is a testament to the fact that we are a nation of idiots.
Excellent!
They are just selling us out to the special interest groups…….one bill at a time.
+ a couple 1,000. They know exactly what they are doing, and have out-maneuvered truth in whatever form at every turn.
https://emsnews.wordpress.com/2015/09/03/many-of-the-worlds-most-expensive-mansions-are-right-on-the-beach-no-fear-of-oceans-rising/
I will note that beachfront property of the very rich shows the level of fear they feel about CO2=NONE.
Yes, Quinn is depressingly correct.
But as a goal isn’t that essentially moronic? (Unless they’re planning to reestablish themselves on another planet.)
You get what you vote for.
I this case I got what some fools voted for.
Every country has the government it deserves. – Joseph de Maistre
phaedo,
We deserve this government?
Please explain…
If you vote for bread and circuses you get lots of socialism and clowns.
dbstealey
The “we” that deserves this government is the majority of American voters who elected him (twice). This group is, basically, the dependent class who pay little-if-any taxes and honestly believe politicians will give them a whole bunch of stuff for free (more money, free cell phones, etc). A tiny bit of this ‘free stuff” actually happens; however, this class of voters is oblivious to their now even lower “inflation adjusted” income, fewer jobs, less savings and significantly reduced opportunity for themselves and their kids.
Abraham Lincoln said “You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time”. For the most part, this group of “we” represents people easily fooled all the time.
The rest of us American voters are just waiting for this nightmare to end.
Unfortunately Iran, Russia, ISIS, and Cuba also got what others voted for!.
dbstealey
You are assuming that there is anyone better to vote for. Typically politicians say whatever it takes and then go their own way to please their real constituency: the lobbyists, corporations, billionaires and other money suppliers to their personal programs. For example, this president was supposed to be the most transparent ever and how did that work out and look at congressional poll approval, as low as 17%. As long as they owe their soul to their puppet operators, nothing is going to effectively change on either side. I think that is why voter turnout continues to go downhill and there is no end to the “nightmare”.
Chip, LL, BFL,
My point was that I didn’t vote for any of them, so what did I do to deserve this?
*sniff* ☹
“My point was that I didn’t vote for any of them, so what did I do to deserve this?
*sniff*”
Per Steyn’s books, which are beginning to look very reasonable, the politically correct will eventually cause the downfall of the EU and the US. We are much like the Indians after the European’s arrived, now it’s our turn. After all, history records that no nation lasts forever.
Give America back it’s balls. Vote Trump! He’s just cocky and crazy enough to do some serious house cleaning in the executive branch. Watch Gina McCarthy face plant as he has her thrown out the door by her replacement. Watch him tell John Holdren he’s full of $hit as he’s being fired. Listen to howls from those who currently oversee allocation of government grant money when told they have been replaced and are no longer needed. Having Trump as prez could take care of some tough problems in short order. And it would be so fun to watch!
Crazyjoe
I’d go for that, unfortunately the main party repugs don’t like him and will try to keep him out, probably because it will damage their corrupt money flow. Same with congress if he wins. But I like his straight forward aggressive style. Remains to be seen if that stays in place if he becomes a front runner.
“Idiocracy” is turning into a prophecy rather than just a movie.
Thank a lot of teachers for that.
And thank our Big, Politically Correct Government and universities for preaching the socialist Politically Correct curricula to indoctrinate our teachers. If we had good government and good universities, and the teacher unions vanished, we would have good, patriotic teachers. Blaming he teachers is ignoring the three 500 pound gorillas in the room.
Unfortunatly many teachers are told by the curriculum what they must teach. I have long since downgraded my respect for those who preach AGW. They can only be one of two things…criminally corrupt or very stupid. I don’t care to associate with either class.
Thank the appointed school board members in states with unionized school districts. Those districts are most concerned with various benefits being handed out to teachers without regard to their achievements. They also fail to award good teachers for doing outstanding jobs. Some states even give teachers tenure without regard to whether they are effective teachers or not.
Read the first twenty pages of the JCPOA. Talk about idiocy !
I concur. The inmates are running the asylum.
Someone got the “i” in the wrong place. Should have renamed Mt McKinley to “Denial”.
And when the ice returns?
He’s buying more ice breakers for that!
Better hurry up, the US has two. Russia: 40
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/
Buying (more) ice breakers for ice that this administration and its liberal cohorts had said would be gone by now. Do they not see the irony in that.
They are irony deficient.
I have a crunch on Obama…..
Can we close the Icebreaker Gap?
It will not matter. He is the ultimate Bagdad Bob. He can stand in front of a blizzard and claim that the seas are rising and the snow is melting, and the minions will do nothing more than swoon.
Reality has no place here.
Heller outs him and his lying useful idiots.
http://realclimatescience.com/2015/09/obama-alaska-climate-fraud-deepens/
He said that in between saying we need more ice breaker ships. I guess we can ferry polar bears with the ships when the ice is a thing of the past, at least in the minds of Dear Leaders. Also, which summer do they have the Pope scheduled to come up to Alaska to bless the bears?
Did Iran sign?
Since this was about how to divvy up the Arctic they weren’t invited.
I suppose China sent warships to stake a claim.
Six and twelve degrees? Holy heck he’s venturing into Manbearpig territory.
My thoughts exactly re that very point. Truly preposterous grandstanding.
That’s only one or two degrees per fifteen years. Very plausible, you’d be den ialist if you suspect that. Besides, 90 degrees is a right angle, so better to stop before that.
Fairbanks people better start preparing for the wave of tourism and climate refugees.
Alaska sounds like it will be a great place to live in a hundred years, so whats all the fuss about. Maybe grow food year round. Is that so bad?
Wait: Didn’t James Hansen predict that the Major Degan expressway in NYC would be under six feet of water by now? And the IPCC curve shows global temperatures should be higher? When will these charlatans be held responsible for their lies?
Around 2040, though Hansen will be growing roses by then.
Better yet he and his comrades will be [trimmed]. It may take a generation or a fulfillment of prophesy to end these lies.
The UN IPCC, UNFCCC, UNEP have no intention of letting their lies catch them. By the time the UN Proctologist-General is Global C-in-C and UN dogma the required catechism, such trivial considerations are likely to be the least of our concerns.
Global Warming.. Climate Change is the secular ApocalypseThe most amazing to me is that no US president visited the state of Alaska before. Ever.
First President in the Arctic circle, not the first one to go to Alaska.
Still kind of lame though, isn’t it? You might have though Ronnie could have done it when he was in Iceland.
And Tromsø has a ‘local’ golf course at 69° 39′ 30″ N, well inside the Arctic Circle. Not like BO to miss a trick like that.
Errm…on the other hand… “Global Warming to cause more Arctic Golf courses” may not be the message he had in mind.
“Ronnie” had more on his plate in Iceland than a photo-op in Alaska, which, by the way, is no where near Iceland…or was that some nebulous sarc/ on your part?
The Arctic Circle is pretty near Iceland, though. So why not, on your way through?
Because to do that, he would have to go into Greenland or Canada. You can’t just fly a military plane (there’s a reason that it’s called “Air Force 1” into another country’s airspace. While a great circle route to Russia would go that far North, it’s more productive to stop in Europe along the way. Furthermore, every major city is outside of the Arctic Circle. Moscow, Toronto, even Oslo is below that parallel. The only reason to go that far north is a photo op (this conference too, could have been done anywhere on the planet), and I hope the president has better things to do than to fly the plane north just for the heck of it.
… you mean he didn’t give it back to Russia
He’s the first President to visit 58 States. 😉
From History.com
In 1923, as part of a cross-country tour, Harding became the first American president to visit Alaska, which had been a territory since 1912 and would achieve statehood in 1959.
I saw a program about this and apparently they thought Alaska would be chilly in the summer they only brought wool suits. The highs when he was there were in the 90s.
There still hasn’t been a US president who visited the arctic.
Although President Johnson (the first one) bought a chunk of it (from the Russians).
Dahlquist
Uh…why would they? What am I missing here?
Not enough votes there
‘A Louse in Wonderland’
Is that Fahrenheit or Celsius?
U.S. President so that would be F, not C.
Obama deserves an F not a C, anyhow.
http://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/unnamed.gif
“It is time to act” / President of US Ulysses S Grant 1869-1877
for some reason “save the glaciers” just doesn’t do it for me
I was on a cruise ship visiting Glacier Bay last summer and the NPS brochure was surprisingly candid about the history of glaciers in Glacier Bay – in 1600, there was no bay as it was dry land and the glaciers were far from the maximum extant ca 1750 – 1800. What would be a more impressive graph would include the advancing of the glaciers in the 1600-1750 timeframe.
A graph of Glacier Bay ice prior to 1760 would be neat, but the observations don’t exist. But I’m sure some good folks would be happy to produce model “data” that would disappear the LIttle Ice Age. Meanwhile, here’s a chart of rate of retreat of Glacier Bay’s glaciers since 1760. Note the success of President Lincoln’s executive order slowing the rate of retreat, immediately enforced by President Johnson’s purchase of Glacier Bay (and environs) in 1867.
http://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/unnamed.gif
Not sure where you got your figure but here is one from the World Glacier Monitoring Service that suggests the temporal pattern of retreat that you show for the two glaciers in GBNP do not reflect what is happening globally.
http://www.grid.unep.ch/glaciers/img/5-9.jpg
And this is news why? The rate from 1945 to 1965 is about the same as 1985 to 2005. What caused all of the melting before ‘accelerated global warming’?
Would be much more informative/useful, if it presented the loss in the 150-200 years prior to 1945, as well.
Why do you expect regional changes to be the same as the global average?
What is the source of your figure, please?
It seems to be taken from from: Global Glacier Changes: facts and figures http://www.grid.unep.ch/glaciers/pdfs/glaciers.pdf (page 30).
Sorry, the question was actually directed to “oppti” and the figure that starts just post 1750. But thank you anyway, it’s good to know where the second one comes from as well. Do you think “Luke” has a clue that his graph doesn’t actually contradict “oppti’s”?
“… The announcement is the latest power play in the Arctic north, where melting ice has led to a race for resources and access. … –Jennifer Griffin, Fox News”
Ms Griffin and her Fox handlers are evidently completely unaware of climate assessments from skeptic scientists, and likely have never heard of WUWT.
Ms Griffin is just reading off a teleprompter – just like Obama.
President Obama:
We should be so lucky. Count my vote for the “do nothing” alternative.
Whatever possessed President Obama to think the leaders of all the other countries are as anxious as he is to strangle their own economies? They don’t seem to want to play along with Obama and it appears they are showing appropriate common sense.
Our US debt is rising much more dangerously. What is he doing about that?
That is indeed a real hockey stick graph!
In 6 years, he has accumulated more debt than all the preceding presidents combined.
That’s what he’s doing about it.
“Our US debt is rising much more dangerously. What is he doing about that?”
Well it sounded like 0 was trying to take down the others too, but they didn’t bite.
I would be amazed if a source for such a claim could even be found. Who, besides a politician, would put their name to such a ridiculous claim, and range?! Temperatures may abruptly start increasing at 5-6 times their current rate… or maybe double even that!
He has D-K syndrome
Alaskan temperatures are projected to rise
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since when was a projection of any consequence? a projection isn’t real. it is a ghost. an image cast from something in the past.
A projection has ZERO PREDICTIVE SKILL for the future. If it did it, if it had predictive skill, then it would be called a PREDICTION not a PROJECTION.
So the US wants other countries to sign a document agreeing to start chasing ghosts.
H.R.,
Because the US is a world leader and Obama listens to leading climate scientists. Have you been to Alaska and witnessed the changes that are occurring? Increased temperatures, decreased volume of glaciers, increased sea levels, decrease in Arctic sea ice, rapid erosion of coastal areas along the Arctic Ocean from greater wave heights due to loss of sea ice, increase in the length of the fire season and acres burned. You have to be in total denial to believe that these changes are unrelated to anthropogenic global warming.
Luke
Hmmmn. But, since the earth average global temperature has NOT changed for almost 20 years now, how can you (or Obama, or anybody else) claim that a non-changing atmosphere temperature cause the changes that you (falsely) exaggerate?
For example, that “village” being eroded? Not due to sea level rise.
Glacier ice receding? Not consistent – and those glaciers have expanded and contracted worldwide ever since the years 15,000 BC.
Arctic sea ice levels lower? Why are Antarctic sea ice levels setting all time high levels across all times of the year – melt season, freeze season, AND ice-expansion seasons. Can’t be due to melting land ice – that fresh water CANNOT cause freezing of salt water a thousand kilometers from the fresh water source. That supposed melting (under land ice) cannot cause increased freezing offshore when the land ice is itself freezing even more intensely under -25 deg winters.
And the world is expected to follow the Lemming-in-Chief over the cliff of climate hysteria.
Luke,
When the Vikings’ descendants move back to Greenland and resume farming where the original farms are currently emerging from the permafrost, call me and we’ll talk warming, eh? With any luck at all, farms will flourish there again by 2100, but I’m not encouraged by the fairly short satellite temperature record. It’s not giving us much hope at the moment.
You mentioned leading climate scientists that Obama listens to. Are you referring to John we’re-gonna-run-out-of-everything-by-1985-and-the-survivors-will-be-eating-grass-by-2000 P. Holdren? That science advisor? Yeah, I read his and Ehrlich’s stuff way back when it was hot off the press; Holdren was more of a limited resources type guy. He missed a few calls. I’m not aware of evidence that his record has improved, though I confess I gave up reading his stuff by the mid 1980’s. Maybe he’s gotten better. I wouldn’t know.
Luke,
You need to broaden your sources and look at other sources which give a greater perspective on history. Note below how long the subject glacier has been receding.
This is not a recent event but has been going on for centuries.
http://juneauempire.com/stories/010501/Com_Glacier.shtml#.VedDyflVhBe
“Between 1767 and 1909, as the world was thawing out from the Little Ice Age, the glacier’s terminus retreated nearly a mile, leaving behind a terminal moraine ridge, composed of rocks, sand and silt at the southern end of River Road.
Successive recessional east-west trending moraines were deposited in places like Mendenhall River School, along Taku Boulevard, and across the Loop Road near Threadneedle and Garnet Streets. Melt water pooled behind the moraines and formed Dredge Lakes. Subdivisions, roads, campgrounds and a visitors’ center now occupy sites that were covered by 500 to 1,000 feet of ice merely 100 to 200 years ago. We live in a unique community that has a glacier flowing into its own backyard!
A U.S. Geological Survey map made in 1909 shows a small pond at the edge of the glacier, south of the present Skaters Cabin. The basin that was to become Mendenhall Lake was still occupied entirely by ice, and both Duck and Jordan Creeks received a steady supply of glacier melt water.
Glacier retreat accelerated in the decades that followed, receding another one-half mile by 1931, and Mendenhall Lake was born.
While the world struggled with the Great Depression and World War II between 1931 and 1949, Mendenhall Glacier retreat was wreaking havoc on rivers and water flow in Mendenhall Valley”
More at the website
Luke,
If you believe that you can keep your Dr and your insurance you can also believe that Alaska is warming 6 to 12 degrees or you can believe the data posted later in this blog:
omwhite September 2, 2015 at 11:56 am
“If we do nothing, Alaskan temperatdegreesures are projected to rise between six and twelve degrees by the end of the century ”
http://media.breitbart.com/media/2015/09/Table-2.jpg
“It’ll be a tropical paradise what with all that warming in the 20th century!!!”
Where is the dramatic warming or what happened to my insurance?
HR
Please don’t try to resort to the Greenland was green myth. There was slight warming in the North Atlantic around 1000 AD but globally temperatures were not even close to what we are seeing today.
Check this out:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/greenland-used-to-be-green.htm
When you can provide something of substance, we can have a conversation.
As for the scientists I am referring to, it is the scientists that contributed to the IPCC report. When you can come up with a group of reputable scientists that can refute the accumulated data they have compiled, let me know.
Yeah – we all believe everything that comes out of sks – NOT, There is PLENTY of evidence that the medieval warm period was global, not local. Co2science has many papers proving that.
You’re not quoting the scientists who wrote the IPCC science report, you’re quoting the politicians who wrote the Summary for Policymakers and then went back and changed the science to reflect their political claims.
But if we name scientists who contradict the narrative you’re pushing, you’ll conclude that that means they aren’t reputable. (You could try looking at the NIPCC volumes, however. For more names, you could also look up the Bali Conference petition – or read the book, The Deniers, by L. Solomon)
Luke, perhaps you are unaware. Many of the scientists who contributed to the various IPCC reports–as lead authors, too–are regular contributors here. You haven’t been around here long enough to recognize that, obviously.
Skeptical Science is run by a guy currently obtaining his masters degree in Psychology (he got an undergraduate degree in Physics in 1989). Ron Painter is an ex-policeman who developed a “hobby” in global warming in 2006 or 2009. The sheer scientific firepower on this website dwarfs anything you can come up with at skepticalscience. So spare us the reference.
Obama was born in the US, but he is acting out the dreams of his anti-colonialist, socialist, Kenyan, muslim father and grandfather. It was not for nothing that he named his autobiography: “Dreams from My Father”. He is part of the extreme progressive ideology that sees the American “empire” as the greatest force for evil in the world.
Reducing American power, influence, and disproportionate consumption of resources is simple fairness in his eyes. By his own measurements, he has had a rather successful presidency, so far. Obama does not likely give a damn about CAGW, much less understand the science of it, but he knows what a political tool it can be for furthering his agenda.
The quote from Obama:
“If we do nothing, Alaskan temperatures are projected to rise between six and twelve degrees by the end of the century ”
Well, while most of us know that “projection” isn’t well founded,
I’m wondering how many Alaskans cheered when they heard that it won’t be so cold up there anymore?
I think he meant that is his handicap that he tee’s of at Between 6 & 12.
( depending who he’s playing and if there is any money involved)
But would like it to be 1 or scratch.
No that means he plays golf between 6 and 12 (6 am till 12 pm).
I don’t understand why more icebreakers are needed. Bill McKibben stated in 2013 that, “we have already melted the Arctic.” He wouldn’t lie, would he?
I don’t understand why more icebreakers are needed.
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Exactly. Obama’s announcement that the US will buy more icebreakers is a direct contradiction of Obama’s announcement that temperatures are projected to rise 6-12 degrees.
And because of this contradiction it is plain that the US government and Obama do not believe the projection to be true.
Did he specify °C or °F?
Would he know?
Absolutely not
Good question. I think there is a lot of confusion generated from that.
Al Gore told Obama so it has to be true; Another Convenient Untruth.
Back in 1937 the Hudson Bay company had two ships meet, one from the east and one from the west, in the Arctic North West passage (not ice strengthened or with ice breaker support) and exchange cargo. It was internal company politics to not continue using the passage. In 1935 the Russians sent two cargo ships through the North West passage for the first time.
In 1967 the Russians were going to offer up the NSR for world shipping but a political crisis stopped it. The offer was finally made in 1987.
Several years later-
2013-
“A large freighter completed a voyage through the hazardous Arctic Northwest Passage for the first time this week, showing the potential for cutting shipment times and costs as global warming opens new routes” – Uh no!
richard
This Northwest Passage “myth” has long puzzled me – I was first exposed to it through Hudson’s failures when he (and several of his crew) were killed by mutineers fearing death in the cold depths of Hudson’s Bay 400 years ago in 1611. It has never been commercially viable – except for stunts like the SS Manhatten’s icebreaker-escorted voyage back in 1969.
Look at the actual Arctic Ocean, and look at the “real world” commercial sea routes: The only functional sea routes that could benefit from an Arctic passage is China coast-to-northern Europe. And back (empty). No other passage makes sense: China-US ports are faster going to the US west coast, then shipping by trains. China-East US, China-southern US ports might compete – but only one month of the year: they HAVE TO get through the Canadian island passages during August and September. If they “miss” that opening – even if only by one or two days – they are stuck overwinter up north, or need to reverse course and go back through the (Chinese-owned) Panama Canal or its future Nicarguan replacement. Too early? Still can’t get through – and so they have to wait.
China-to-north Europe is reasonable – but that “shortest route” is over to the EAST over the north coast of Putin’s Russia, then down through the Bering Strait. No one trying to get to China from Europe wants to take the longer route over to north Canada. The ice is less off of the north Siberian coast, the routes are deeper (in general), and the routes are “straighter” – only two places have even a chance of being blocked by ice between June and early October: The small area around Severna Zemalya and the New Siberian Islands a bit further east.
Even more silly when you consider the effectiveness of a simple rail line from China through Russia to Europe. Also note China is putting rail to the Indian Ocean cutting out a big chunk of the sea route past Indonisia… so they know the power of rail.
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2015/04/21/china-roads-shipping-pipelines-and-placing-a-go-stone/
So why ship via ice at all when you can lay a combined rail, communications, pipelines, and roads corridor?
“In 1935 the Russians sent two cargo ships through the North West passage for the first time ‘ meant the NSR.
This the point where biased climate reporters insert more pictures of Alaska and Dear Leader, leaving less room for wild statements on temperature predictions or other claims from the advocacy speechwriters.
If you read the LA Times write up you will see that Little O is still “cool”. ……”as the sun glinted off his aviator sunglasses…..” Made me want to vomit
So what IS the state of the Arctic sea ice this year? I thought it was increasing.
Handy WUWT Sea Ice Page. Looks like it was on track for matching the 20 year average before maybe high winds suddenly pushed it down a bit. It’ll probably recover completely when the La Nina hits.
Mark
A valid question: Does “About the same” mean very much?
The average air temperature at 80 north latitude has been within 1 degree of its long-term average all summer. Warmer over the winter months when the sun is below the horizon – as it has the past two decades – but there has been NO CHANGE in Arctic summer temperatures since the DMI records began in 1959. Arctic air temperature dropped back below freezing right as expected in mid-August, and temepratures have remained below freezing the past three weeks. So, nothing very different there.
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php
The 2015 Arctic sea ice anomaly has been remarkably stable at -1.0 Mkm^2 since the 2005 – 2006 winter: It had a low but very long maximum lasting from early February 2015 all the way up towards the first week of April. So, although the Arctic sea ice maximum was earlier and lower than recent years, its very broad peak meant that by the end, it was at very high relative levels. This means the 2015 Arctic sea ice anomaly was higher than all previous years in April-early May, then but dipped lower than many recent years in early summer. So, you can claim just about anything and be right for some particular day-of-year, and be wrong for the rest.
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.arctic.png
Basically, for almost all of the past 12 months, the arctic sea ice anomaly has been within 2 std deviations of its long-term average, and thus shows no significant deviation from its long-term average. Its been “below average”, but not significantly below average.
Most important, for the nine years since 2005-2006, the arctic sea ice anomaly has been steady at -1.0 Mkm^2, having stabilized (for unknown reasons!) since its first measurements in 1979 at +1.0 Mkm^2.
So, is the original “measurement” of +1.0 Mkm^2 in 1979 only a short-time “high” recorded during the 1970-1980 cold spell, and is that long-term average of 0.0 really “correct”? Is the “new average” of -1.0 Mkm^2 correct – or is it too early to tell? (Most certainly a valid observation: 10 years should not reset climate averages.)
But, even at today’s -1.5 Mkm^2, today’s Arctic sea ice anomaly is higher than six of the nine most recent years.
But look again: Should that first 1979 – 1989 ten years be considered “more valid” or “more important” than the most recent ten years just because CAGW theory wants 1979 to be considered “absolute best” Arctic ice cap? After all, a declining Arctic ice cap is THE single most important “evidence” of global warming! If the Arctic sea ice naturally oscillates between +1.0 Mkm^2 and -1.0 Mkm^2 over a sixty year period, then today’s -1.5 Mkm^2 will be shortly exceeded by +1.5 Mkm^2 within another 10 years.
For today’s Arctic sea ice, further reductions only mean increased cooling for the Arctic Ocean 7 months of the year. And that is NOT a good thing.
Thank you for that reply.
Arctic sea ice values are so uncertain as to be meaningless. The accuracy exceeds the anomalies.
According to NOAA, “The accuracy of Arctic sea ice concentration at a grid cell in the source data is usually cited as within +/- 5 percent of the actual sea ice concentration in winter, and +/- 15 percent during the summer when melt ponds are present on the sea ice (GSFC Confidence Level), but some comparisons with operational charts report much larger differences (Agnew 2003, Partington et al 2003). Accuracy tends to be best within the consolidated ice pack where the sea ice is relatively thick (greater than 20 cm) and ice concentration is high. Accuracy decreases as the proportion of thin ice increases (Cavalieri 1995).”
http://nsidc.org/data/docs/noaa/g02135_seaice_index/
Summer Arctic temps were below 1958
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php
Obama said that America needs more icebreakers in the Arctic to combat the thawing ice, of course it does.
Ironically, the more the surface water is exposed to air, the more cooling takes place since the decrease in albedo is insignificant for a low-horizon sun.
“President Barack Obama attended. He used the conference as a platform for urging swifter action to combat climate change. After the conference, the representatives of the Arctic Council members signed a joint statement affirming “our commitment to take urgent action to slow the pace of warming in the Arctic.”
Instead of fighting climate change and urging action to slow down Arctic warming ( which is futile), they should use the trillions of free dollars given for subsidies to line the pockets of special interest groups , the leaders should rather work on and develop joint methods to learn from and adapt to climate change and provide financial assistance to those communities directly affected by climate change..
Repeat after me. There is no global warming. There never was any global warming. There are no communities directly or indirectly affected by global warming.
If there was global warming President Planet Healer wouldn’t be urging the construction of a fleet of new icebreakers.
Even in his lies the truth peaks out. That’s because in addition to being an inveterate liar, he’s incompetent too.
Thank you papiertigre, well said.
Well, over the past 150 years there has indeed been global warming as recovery from the Little Ice Age; the question is does man or CO2 have much (if anything) to do with it.