UPDATE: A copy of the paper has been provided to me, the language is stunningly bad in this paper. See below.
From the National Socio-Environmental Synthesis Center (whatever that is, no word on whether WUWT or Real Climate was part of the study, since it is paywalled, but apparently, blogs on both sides of the debate matter)
College Park, Md and Annapolis, Md — A new study from researchers at the University of Maryland (UMD) and the National Socio-Environmental Synthesis Center (SESYNC) demonstrates that the highly contentious debate on climate change is fueled in part by how information flows throughout policy networks.
The UMD and SESYNC researchers found that “echo chambers”–social network structures in which individuals with the same viewpoint share information with each other–play a significant role in climate policy communication. The researchers say that echo chambers may help explain why, despite a well-documented scientific consensus on the causes and drivers of global changes in climate, half of U.S. senators voted earlier this year against an amendment affirming that climate change is human-induced.
A peer-reviewed paper based on the study was published online May 25 in the journal Nature Climate Change.
“Our research shows how the echo chamber can block progress toward a political resolution on climate change. Individuals who get their information from the same sources with the same perspective may be under the impression that theirs is the dominant perspective, regardless of what the science says,” said Dr. Dana R. Fisher, a professor of sociology at UMD and corresponding author who led the research.
In summer 2010, researchers surveyed the most active members of the U.S. climate policy network, including members of Congress and leaders of non-governmental organizations and business and trade unions. Respondents were asked questions about their attitudes toward climate science and climate policy, as well as questions to establish their policy network connections. For example, respondents were asked to identify their sources of expert scientific information about climate change and with whom they collaborate on a regular basis regarding the issue of climate change.
“This time period was particularly interesting for studying climate policy because legislation regulating carbon dioxide emissions had passed through the House of Representatives and was being considered in the Senate. If passed, this bill would have been the first case of federal climate legislation passing through the U.S. Congress,” Fisher said.
The researchers then used an exponential random graph (ERG) model–a complex statistical model for analyzing data about social and other networks–to test for the presence and significance of echo chambers among members of the U.S. climate policy network. In the “echo,” two people who have the same outlook or opinion on a relevant issue share information, reinforcing what each already believes. In the “chamber,” individuals hear information originating from one initial source through multiple channels.
“The model we used gives us a framework for empirically testing the significance of echo chambers,” said Dr. Lorien Jasny, a computational social scientist at SESYNC and lead author of the paper. “We find that the occurrences of echo chambers are indeed statistically significant, meaning our model provides a potential explanation for why climate change denial persists in spite of the consensus reached by the scientific community.”
The researchers say that echo chambers explain why outlier positions–for example, that climate-warming trends over the past century are likely not due to human activities–gain traction in the political sphere. The answer lies in the disproportionate connections among ideologically similar political communicators.
“Information has become a partisan choice, and those choices bias toward sources that reinforce beliefs rather than challenge them, regardless of the source’s legitimacy,” Fisher said.
Jasny and Fisher point out that the debate on climate change is not indicative of inconclusive science. Rather, the debate is illustrative of how echo chambers influence information flows in policy networks.
“Our research underscores how important it is for people on both sides of the climate debate to be careful about where they get their information. If their sources are limited to those that repeat and amplify a single perspective, they can’t be certain about the reliability or objectivity of their information,” Jasny said.
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This work was supported by National Science Foundation grants no. BCS-0826892, and no. DBI-1052875 awarded to the National Socio-Environmental Synthesis Center (SESYNC).
The research paper, “An empirical examination of echo chambers in US climate policy networks,” Lorien Jasny, Joseph Waggle, and Dana R. Fisher, was published online May 25 in the journal Nature Climate Change.
Abstract:
Diverse methods have been applied to understand why science continues to be debated within the climate policy domain. A number of studies have presented the notion of the ‘echo chamber’ to model and explain information flows across an array of social settings, finding disproportionate connections among ideologically similar political communicators. This paper builds on these findings to provide a more formal operationalization of the components of echo chambers. We then empirically test their utility using survey data collected from the community of political elites engaged in the contentious issue of climate politics in the United States. Our survey period coincides with the most active and contentious period in the history of US climate policy, when legislation regulating carbon dioxide emissions had passed through the House of Representatives and was being considered in the Senate. We use exponential random graph (ERG) modelling to demonstrate that both the homogeneity of information (the echo) and multi-path information transmission (the chamber) play significant roles in policy communication. We demonstrate that the intersection of these components creates echo chambers in the climate policy network. These results lead to some important conclusions about climate politics, as well as the relationship between science communication and policymaking at the elite level more generally.
The methodology of the survey is described in the Supplemental Information (PDF)
UPDATE: the language is stunningly bad in this paper, as seen from a snippet below. The bias of the author is clearly evident. And, why not name Hansen and Christy?
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Just had to post a link to this video:
https://youtu.be/eU-hlf7n16A
Watch – it is very cutting edge but had me splitting my side
The President is also a member of that elitist group known as bloodsucking lawyers, like the ones we have here in the PDREU/EUSSR, who wielded all their might to bring in the European Human Rights Act. The same mentality of lawyers who use that very law to get murderers, drugs barrons, rapists, & paedophiles off on the grounds that they are entitled to “a family life”, & other ridiculous things, under the EHRA! That’s the problem when enshrine something in badly draughted legislation, it gets abused! I know of many who supported its introduction, but were abhorred by its misuse in such circumstances!
First, give all the lawyers families.
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Get murderers, drugs barrons, rapists, & paedophiles…”
If you want to get rid of drug barons, I suggest getting rid of the lunatic, counterproductive laws that dictate what supposedly free adults can and cannot put into their own bodies…
Not only is it used by lawyers to get ne’er-do-wells off the hook, it is also used by minority-group members to blackmail the UK legal system into prosecuting members of the public on ridiculous charges. The blackmail consisting of threatening to engage in a long and costly appeal to Strasbourg if they don’t get their way.
I’m not sure the HRA was badly drafted either, it’d just that any document can be twisted around to mean something it was not supposed to.
Hear hear!
Alan, a bit of pedantry perhaps but “abhorred” is a verb. So the supporters revolted by the misuse of the EHRA “abhorred” that misuse, or more simply were horrified by it.
Very funny. And on point about the echo chamber.
Great Vid.
yah he looks part black I guess
Which part is that?
Eh … I would watch that guy’s other videos before linking this too much. He seems to be a bit of a flake and has a number of “chemtrail” videos.
At the end a link appears saying “NASA space program hinges on 1 lie.” That goes to a video claiming that rocket engines work by pushing against the atmosphere and therefore can’t work in a vacuum.
I guess some echo chambers work in a vacuum….
Some nice old NASA footage though.
So he’s qualified to write The New York Times editorial page then…
Like most things in engineering, the truth is less clearly defined than the stark textbook theory. Look up ‘nozzle expansion ratio’ for an explanation of why motors designed for first stages differ from those designed to work in vacuum.
Ian, which has nothing whatever to do with the claim that without an atmosphere to push against, rockets CAN’T work.
I’m a member of the speckled people. Speckled people don’t believe in AGW either. Sounds stupid doesn’t it. But being freckled, “speckled” seems pretty accurate. As accurate as “black” is.
This definition of who people are based on skin color is hilarious! And silly.
I’ve always thought it weird that pale but non-speckled people berate Africans and Asians, but then go to a place where they can sit under damaging UV radiation in order to acquire a darker skin tone, having obviously decided that looks better than very pale skin.
At least the speckled people know better than to do this, since all it will do is make their skin the same colour as their hair.
Freckles? You are in fine company.
http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/173664
My son classified folks by their hair before he first started school. At that time he divided the population into folks with “big hair” – i.e. curly or frizzy, and folks with “small hair” – straight, that is. Thus my wife and our black neighbors were “big haired” even though his mother is a red head of German descent. I was classified as “small haired” like the Vietnamese neighbors across the court.
Cool!
Well, suppression of outside information is one characteristic of an echo chamber, and which side does that? It’s simple acoustics.
I suppose I could read more. The abstract is plain vanilla, no cherries or nuthin’.
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Well, shoot, the researchers are echo-chambered and can’t sense their own bias. It’s likely all hogwash.
Conceive skepticism as the formation of a sun from a whirling mass of gas. They’ve got the right metaphor for the alarmist side, but the skeptic one is hardly an echo chamber. It’s just inapt, that metaphor.
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Skepticism is condensing climate science into a solid surface upon which we can walk forward confidently, rather than flee in fear through the inchoate exaggerations of the alarmist consensus.
You’re gonna miss the mangling when I no longer mangle.
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Since the CAGW narrative has captured the main stream media it’s almost impossible to not be exposed to “the message” (it’s happening, it’s bad, it’s our fault, etc.). It’s definitely possible, maybe even likely, that some people never hear anything from or about skeptics aside from how terrible/stupid/evil they are.
There’s a vast and overhanging cliff, embowered with low hanging fruit, of need for absolution. High grade richter coming on an earthmoving scale. Vogon work. Don’t ask about their play.
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It is one of those irregular verbs…
I, we: have consensus,
you agree,
he, she, it, they: echo…
Someone should send them a box with a pot and a kettle in it.
Lies flow with high pressure $ and power to tax and spend with the U N and all the political class who depend on the re-election money in the game with votes for fraud when required.
Truth is left to fend for itself with built in dams such as ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, MSNBC, PBS, CSPAN and the attendant news paper scabs.
The “green” food chain is so long now and involves so many people making money in one way or another from anything “green” that keeps this going.
“Individuals who get their information from the same sources with the same perspective may be under the impression that theirs is the dominant perspective…” How is this different from individuals who get their research dollars from the same source thinking that if they get the “wrong”answer those research dollars may dry up?
So there initial premise is that AGW is real.
But they are careful to say both sides need to be careful about their sources.
Looks to me like the Doctor’s need to heed their own advice. Maybe they shouldn’t have started the study with a preconcieved opinion about what the correct answer was?
I don’t doubt that their ‘echo chamber’ effect is real. In fact I believe the effect isn’t anything new and has been discussed and studied before. Although social media and the internet may make the effect more pronounced. But their quotes seem to indicate that this ‘study’ was done purely to attempt to discredit the ‘deniers’.
Your first pull quote is where I stop reading. Consensus is not science, therefore the pro CAGW side is one big echo chamber, seeing as that is the natural result of consensus.
Don’t forget, there really isn’t any consensus. (Not outside the echo chamber, at least.)
Of course it was…that’s a given
meaning our model provides a potential explanation for why climate change denial persists in spite of the consensus reached by the scientific community
No mention that the consensus reached, even if the science is wrong, is the consensus that has been agreed upon to be the one that will be used to support the implementation of the policies that have been predetermined by the echo chamber.
Lies flow with ease down hill with the power of the political re-election money class on the power pumps together with the enablers of the media, ABC, CBS, CNN, CSPAN, MSNBC, NBC, PBS, and the long term corupt paper media now aided by the blog online cults.
Truth on the other hand must swim upstream against this flood of lies.
+10
In the early days, I spent a lot of time on alarmist echo chambers. Sure, skeptics can echo chamber, and do quite usefully, but the critical difference is that skeptic echo chambers allow introduction of new ideas. There are new sounds introduced and the echoes become increasingly sophisticated, and well, beautiful.
Not so much on the alarmist echo chambers, they get flat, dull, and sullen. Now, the distinction between the two might well be worth research. Heh, they could even use the results to more effectively communicate, but no, isn’t it lovely just listening to the reassuring echoes, the buzz from the hive?
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Nailing down this distinction would certainly be more interesting than announcing a re-discovery of the birds-of-a-feather effect.
They call it “blocking progress” toward a political resolution on climate change policy. Sounds a bit one sided. I’m sure there is an “echo chamber” effect with warmists as well. Why is it a problem to slow it down until the science is better understood before jumping into policy based on little understood things like climate?
Um, because the science is “settled” in the alarmist echo-chamber…
Thanks…
Dahlquist – yes the warming community is definitely good at constructing better echo chambers.
“The researchers say that echo chambers may help explain why, despite a well-documented scientific consensus on the causes and drivers of global changes in climate…”
With the ‘well-documented’ aspect being the hundreds, nay, thousands of times they have told each other on their content-restricted blogs. “Well-documented”? Ri-ight. Their consensus documentation is as good as their climate models. Just as good, and just as useful.
“yes the warming community is definitely good at constructing better echo chambers.”
Another research topic!
So, they wonder why their propaganda is not working? Hmmm, maybe it is because some people check facts and actual data rather than the opinion from an alleged consensus.
And, it’s already been shown that a few “scientists” on the warmist side will lie, cheat and distort the facts. Why should anyone not want to take the time to verify the facts?
I wonder what they thought of William Connolley and the Wikipedia echo chamber. Did they even look?
If not, well, I’m ready for the first horselaugh of the day.
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Yes, I know, too funny.
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Echo chamber…aka groupthink:
Groupthink is often characterised by:
■A tendency to examine too few alternatives;
■A lack of critical assessment of each other’s ideas;
■A high degree of selectivity in information gathering;
■A lack of contingency plans;
■Poor decisions are often rationalised;
■The group has an illusion of invulnerability and shared morality;
■True feelings and beliefs are suppressed;
■An illusion of unanimity is maintained;
■ Mind guards (essentially information sentinels) may be appointed to protect the group from negative information. Perhaps it is just me, but these traits seem to pretty much capture the nature of mainstream econo
Do you mean the climate establishment mainstream?
This is just further absurd intellectualising – very much in Lew/Oreskes mode – about how and why people may not think exactly like they do. When are these numskulls going to wake up to the fact the reason we don’t share their views is NOT that we are idiots brainwashed by websites by sites like WUWT and follow their memes like sheep, but that we just look at what real (not modelled) evidence there is and make up our own minds.
It’s so insulting to our intelligence to be demeaned in this way. Fortunately, they might be fooling themselves but they are not fooling anybody else with this nonsense.
“When are these numskulls going to wake up to the fact the reason we don’t share their views is NOT that we are idiots brainwashed by websites by sites like WUWT and follow their memes like sheep, but that we just look at what real (not modelled) evidence there is and make up our own minds.”
My guess is that they are very much aware of what they are doing.
Gad it must grind them that Nature isn’t co-operating. I’m amused at their surprise.
The best dressed nests of mice and mern, gang aft astern.
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You’re giving them too much credit. (These guys really do live in an echo chamber. Trust me.)
“The model we used gives us a framework for empirically testing the significance of echo chambers,” said Dr. Lorien Jasny, a computational social scientist at SESYNC and lead author of the paper. “We find that the occurrences of echo chambers are indeed statistically significant, meaning our model provides a potential explanation for why climate change denial persists in spite of the consensus reached by the scientific community.”
They just don’t get it, do they? We come to these forums AFTER we have had the message and the so called science shoved down our throats. We come here despite being vilified by mainstream media because after doing our own research the evidence doesn’t add up. Most of us were quite open or even receptive to the CAGW propaganda at first. We don’t come here for group think, we come here to find out if we’re the only ones with serious doubts or objections that we can’t get answers to from the other side and simply sigh in relief when we discover how many other people have been thinking the same!
+ [several million]
Another difference between the echo chambers of the two sides is also important to note.
Most warmist ‘chambers’ are just echos. Everyone is speaking with almost the exact same voice.
Meanwhile here at the WUWT ‘chamber’ and other skeptical blogs there tends to be a babble. Many different voices are heard with different ideas. Yes, most disagree with the CAGW meme but their reason for disagreeing and their own ideas/theories and even their amount of disagrement with AGW cover a wide spectrum. Hardly an echo, more of a melting pot of different even competing ideas all thrown together to be debated, refined and even rejected in a search for the elusive truth.
+1 ddpalmer. The consultation is important. Shutting off consultation as RC and SkS do is worse than unproductive.
That is a key point. The sceptic side is not uniform.
1) Some believe that the world will continue to warm in the 21st century as it did in the 20th but that adaptation is a better response than cutting CO2 emissions.
2) Some believe that man’s impact on the climate is low and that the warming will not be dangerous.
3) Some don’t buy the precautionary principle and just want more data.
4) Some think that other forcings dominate anthropogenic forcing.
5) Some agree with the 4s in humid environments but not in dry ones.
6) Some doubt the temperature records anyway because of poor data collection, unrecorded adjustments and doubt over how UHI (Urban Heat Islands) are treated.
7) Some just despise the corruption of peer review uncovered in Climategate and so reject the whole field of Climatology over the last 20 years.
And there are political differences as well.
But in the Warmist echo chambers there is only one acceptable line and only one acceptable response.
The two sides are not comparable.
Frankly, the difference between being dead and alive.
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MCourtney,
Regarding
“5) Some agree with the 4s in humid environments but not in dry ones.”
Can you please elaborate on this briefly? Perhaps a link to a discussion of what you mean by this?
I am not sure I am familiar with this particular topic.
Thanks.
9) Some believe that we simply don’t know what’s happening in the system because all we get is a single line to represent “global temperature”, which is physically meaningless.
Menicholas, sorry I can’t quickly find the discussions but it goes a bit like this:
In an ice age or where the air is cold, it is dry.
An increase in CO2 (a greenhouse gas) will trap more heat and that will cause warming and the associated change in atmospheric water vapour is proportionately great .
Therefore, a “high” sensitivity.
In a humid atmosphere the effects of CO2 are competed with by water vapour.
The absorption bands are nearer saturated.
The mechanisms of heat transfer are different (clouds form – perhaps reflecting light).
The postulated positive feedbacks from water vapour are exponentially less significant the more water vapour there is already in the atmosphere.
Therefore, a “low” sensitivity.
The argument may not be convincing in whole or in its parts but the idea that climate sensitivity is not constant in time or in latitude seems worthy of consideration.
There’s also skepticism regarding whether the GCM models are accurate reflections of physical reality.
Thank you Mr. Courtney.
I will have to look into this further.
IMO, the Earth must have what amounts to homeostatic mechanisms, whereby cooler temperatures cause some changes that lead to warming, and warmer temps cause changes that lead to cooling.
Moisture obviously plays such a role, as both water vapor and clouds can each be seen to limit temperature swings in either direction.
The last line should have been deleted. This was from an article regarding modern economics and specifically the economics press (CNBC, FoxBusiness, etc.). Tring to find source link, but this tablet isn’t the easiest for some of this stuff.
Oh, the irony of it all!
Yes, rich, deep, totally unconscious echoes from the Grand Canyon of Irony.
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With few exceptions the ivory towers of academia are probably the largest echo chambers around, followed closely by the NGO’s and journal editorial staff, all living off the government teat. The whole damned thing became so incestuous they could quite doing real science around the birth of the hockey stick. In fact, the birth of the hockey stick and its acceptance rang the death knell for the scientific method as far as climate studies were concerned.
In the vaults where the money is the echo is strongest….
Yep… as Deep Throat said to Bob Woodward: “Follow the money.”
Mr. Crawford,
You hit the nail square on the head with this comment.
Even outside of the ivory towers, in the classrooms, lecture halls and campus common areas, people who do not speak the “correct” message are shouted down, booed off the stage (if they even make it to the stage), directed to out of the way “free speech zones, etc.
There is no pretense of open debate, whatsoever.
Rather than venues for the free exchange of ideas, our colleges and Universities are well down the road to being indoctrination clinics for one point of view.
These are the most intolerant people imaginable, and seem to be growing ever more so at a rapid pace.
This work was supported by National Science Foundation grants no. BCS-0826892, and no. DBI-1052875
And yet paywalled.
That’s right, Dawg. It’s an exclusive club and the taxpayer subsidizes the operation with-out any oversight or demonstrable “public good”. On the other hand… paywalls and unbelievable abstracts have saved me many hours of wasted time fact checking gibberish.
How many Sociologists are publishing papers on the acceptance of string theory, I wonder?
Maybe they ran out of string.
That strikes a cord.
Exactly so Bernie. This paper is not a serious scientific exercise, it is pseudo-science for the purposes of propaganda. The basic tenets of their so called ‘research’ or ‘analysis’ have been well known and well documented for centuries. People blindly accept whatever supports existing preconceptions or prejudices and question whatever challenges them, often irrationally. People seek out the company of those who hold the same preconceptions or prejudices and avoid those who don’t if they don’t actively fight them.
Their assumption that scientific consensus equals scientific certainty just demonstrates their lack of scientific acumen, but then, they are social scientists after all, actual facts are inconvenient at best.
It is probably much harder for a social scientist to get funding for work on string theory that it is to get funding for work on “global warming.
It would be nice to see Alan Sokol do a send up of social sciences’ work on “global warming” like he did in the 1990s in his article: “Transgressing the Boundaries: Towards a Transformative Hermeneutics of Quantum Gravity”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair
Ohhh, you are one bad boy! A paper like that would be royal, and the initial responses from the warmists, even better.
What I think is really cool is that some of the consensus papers are just perfect to be perceived as fabulous parody, eventually. They are both that bad and that good.
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Unconscious parody, for sure, and oh will it be quaint then.
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Like Steig. I just love that Nature blushed pink for that one. Look, she’s still flush roseate.
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Taphonomic,
There is a simple workaround: Just reword the grant application to make it clear one is researching how string theory is being affected by climate change.
Up to a point a “support group” is helpful, as a sort of sounding board that allows you to develop your own ideas. We find people who agree agreeable and people who disagree disagreeable, and it is far harder to develop an idea among disagreeable people who foster doubt and who kick out your foundations even before you have an idea’s scaffolding up.
However beyond a certain point a “support group” is just an echo chamber full of parrots, and can get boring. One starts to hanker for challenges. One thing I like about this site is that ideas do get challenged. I myself have seen some of my ideas shot full of holes and go down in flames, at this site. Rather than expiring due to a bad case of hurt feelings, I found out I wound up smarter.
If you put your fat pride first you are not likely to learn. However if you thirst for Truth then you don’t care if you see your ideas were wrong, as long as Truth is becoming more clear in the process.
“meaning our model provides a potential explanation for why climate change denial persists in spite of the consensus reached by the scientific community.”
This line alone shows the researchers’ bias and invalidates any conclusions they may come to. Additionally, since the University of Maryland, an extreme pro-AGW hotbed, was involved, the study is worthless anyway,
This is a critical sentence. I wonder just what meaning they used for ‘climate change denial’. This study was initiated years ago.
But you’re right. They started out hopelessly biased. And they’re so blind to the bias that they can declare it, and seemingly not notice.
Interesting times, yup.
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“Climate change denial”. There it is again. The most empty-headed phrase of the new millennium.
Can’t anyone corner these clowns and make them explain what it’s supposed to mean?
It means a Hockey Schtick or Steven Goddard style aggressive refusal of any considerable anthropogenic climate change. Change did not happen, or it was completely natural.
Sometimes it appears to mean anything but aggressive alarmism. Often it means the contrarians’ position in general with the assumption that contrarianism always contains unscientific thinking, especially among the scientifically undereducated, blue-eyed, politically radical-leaning people.
For radicals, climate change = AGW = CAGW. So the CAGW denial equals the climate change denial.
I put the denial line on people who at this point spread the badly founded ‘it is natural CO2’ or the ‘CO2 can’t warm the surface because it violates thermodynamics’ excuses. Sorry people, I know this is hard for some who like those excuses.
I think, like Anthony, the anthropogenic CO2 causes some warming, I just find the creepy risk scenarios very far-fetched.
But, but, but Brandon Gates! Radiative physics! Oh, the HUMANITY!!!
“Can’t anyone corner these clowns and make them explain what it’s supposed to mean?”
I do routinely by asking them “what am I denying?” They usually can’t come up with anything other than a straw man which I can easily shoot down.
Those who think the debate can’t be won on the science are wrong. I change peoples perception on this issue all the time. Most of the public has zero knowledge about climate and believe what they hear until they hear something different that makes sense.
Zealots and true believers will never accept facts but curious onlookers can see who has empirical evidence and who has conjecture.
No doubt 97% of scientists believe that objections are not objections when models say that they are not objections to models that are approved by a consensus of climate science that has already been approved by 97% of climate scientists. Well something along those lines?
Don’t believe any report that does not point to the raw data. And even then, be careful – the “raw” data may be more cooked than it appears.
This, Lewandowsky, and the dozens and dozens of ‘studies’ about skeptics/deniers/echo-chambers etc, can be summed up in one sentence: Knowledge is power.
Look at how Lewandowsky fails to understand how memes, or ‘sticky facts’ work: He thinks they are created by constant repetition, reinforcement, indoctrination, and ‘inoculation’ (his fancy term for telling lies). The reality is the opposite: memes are born when a militant orthodoxy pushes a single perspective suppressing inconvenient facts and bits of knowledge. You’ve suddenly magnified the knowledge-worthiness of these facts.
No amount of effort can erase doubt, the kind of doubt created by showing a simple graph of flat temperatures when every media organ tells the opposite. The power derives from the graph being true and *the opposite being relentlessly pushed*.
In reality, the echo-chambers are on the opposite side of what these authors think.