Saturday 28th March is “Earth Hour” – a time to sit in the dark and appreciate the benefits of our cheap reliable hydrocarbon-energy.
[Like these candles, for example, from the WWF sponsored Earth Hour home page – Anthony]
Guest essay by Viv Forbes
We should spend Earth Hour giving thanks for warmth.
Just thirteen thousand years ago, Earth was in the grip of a deathly ice age. Sea levels were indeed much lower but much of the land surface was covered by thick sheets of ice. Life struggled to survive and many species were extinguished by the sterile suffocating ice.
Without any help from humans, Earth escaped from the ice. And as the oceans warmed they expelled part of their dissolved carbon dioxide which nurtured an enormous increase in plant and animal life.
But the ice still lurks near the poles, and Earth has suffered several cold relapses. The most recent “Little Ice Age” just released its icy grip about 150 years ago.
The modern warming phase ceased around the turn of this century – there are teenagers today who have never lived in a phase of rising global temperatures. And our sun is showing disturbing signs of reduced activity, which may presage a new cooling phase.
Earth is on a climate see-saw between a warm green globe and a frozen white wilderness. Unless you are a penguin or a polar bear, you should spend Earth Hour celebrating today’s warmth and giving thanks for our cheap, abundant hydro-carbon fuels which will help humans to survive any return of Global Cooling.
Earth Hour – we need to celebrate Coal not Candles:
http://carbon-sense.com/2012/03/31/earth-hour/
[Note: Personally, I plan to turn on all my lights tonight, meanwhile, the Dark-Earthers are asking for your opinion about it, see below and click if you wish to add your opinion. There’s lots of opportunity for write-in answers – Anthony]
Anthony, were we not going out, I would do the same!
In their survey, I answered the question what they could do, is to make global warming happen so people in the US are not so cold anymore. Just to sympathise with you :-). Will switch on all lights too AW.
Me, where they ask what they can do to improve the Earth, I wrote “dissappear”.
I tried as well as soon as i did not donate the site stopped!
I also went out,but made sure that I left all my lights on.I came home about 12.30 and most of my neighbours were still up with all their lights on,so I think my contribution and my neighbours should have showed these “Knuckle-heads”how we feel about “Earth Hour”
When your earth hour celebrating neighbours came home did they arrive in a coal powered provided electric train, a diesel powered bus, a petrol driven car or did they peddle home?
Way off in the distant future, once these knuckle heads have full control, our descendants , dressed in animal skins will be banging rocks on the wall of a defunct cooling tower in hopes of getting the power back on.
You know, like, there’s a thing that’s really been eating at me, here lately, that I was just gonna let slide, and everything, but seeing how everyone here at WUWT is pushin’ back on the hive’s annual, creep-out, mummy-is-just-so-proud-of-her-little-eco-snookums-junior-boy, sanctimonious, holier-than-thou, bunch-of-useles-pricks-showin’-their-ass, agit-prop, “Earth Day” PR-stunt, I’m emboldened to just confront the matter, straight out on this blog, hoping, thereby, to share in and add to this comment thread’s kiss-my-butt-“Hive-Bozo”-dorks! good-vibes.
So, like, there’s this “…and Then There’s Physics” dude (hereinafter referred to as “the ATTP-entity”), who, running his mealy-mouth at “Climate Etc.”, unburdened himself, in the discussion thread of Dr. Curry’s recent blog post, “Blog Discussions”, of a comment, as follows:
“The problem I [the ATTP-entity] have is that there are few sites where actual discussions are really possible…It’s clearly impossible on WUWT, and why anyone would want to delve into the sespit [sic] that is the comment thread there is beyond me.” (At the risk of a lengthy digression, let me say that I originally thought (and still sorta think) that “sespit”, as employed by the ATTP-entity, above, is either a misspelling of “cesspit” or a quaint, provincial, technically-Anglophone-I-suppose variant-spelling of the same. Yet, in lookin’ up the word “ses”, I discovered that there is, in fact, such a word and that the Urban Dictionary defines “ses” as: “the beautiful, mesmerizing allure of ganga smoke leaking out the mouth”. So I’m not quite sure how to take the ATTP entity’s comment, exactly, except to say that there’s no doubt in my lover-of-individual-liberty-and-ethical-science, “Good Guy” gray-matter, that it wasn’t meant as any kind of compliment.)
“sespit”?!!! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?!!! I mean, like, I feel like all us commenters, here at WUWT, have been blob-slobbered by some sort of passive-aggressive, gelatinous, needy, wishy-washy, alien life-form from the planet Milquetoast, in the Milk-Sop galaxy! And I mean, like, once you strip all the close-encounter, uncomfortably-humid, off-planet B. O from the ATTP entity’s comment, what you have left is nothing less than a brazen, inter-galactic assault on humanity’s collective gag-reflex! To which, I offer this rejoinder to the ATTP entity, on behalf of all mankind: OOZE-OFF!!!BLOB-INVADER!!!
LOVE your unvarnished, let-’em-have-it, writing, Mike, lol.
Re: “…I’m not quite sure how to take the ATTP entity’s comment, …”
Brought this to mind: “When kicked by a donkey, consider the source.”
That SOUNDS like a guy (or woman?) who earned (An-thony gave him/her many chances, but he or she kept up with the blatant half-truths and other junk — not allowed on other sites, either, but, he or she keeps changing her or his name — one I recall from last year was something like “Phys1cist” (with an “i” ) the merit of no longer being ALLOWED to comment on WUWT (one of his or her “names” is “D-0u-g C-0-tt-0n”). He/she is so obviously wacko that she/he is largely harmless, but is VERY obnoxious (and spouts untruths). He or she inevitably ends up pushing the old saw about “basic physics” and her/his own book (full of blobbedy-blob, no doubt, heh).
Keep on writing! 🙂
Mike. I love you. And having had my share of experiences with the ever morphing moron that is ATTP, I can only say that it is entirely possible that ATTP has had close up, numerous exposures to “ses” and “sespits” and has simply become completely unable to distinguish between one and any other gathering of people who are familiar and friendly with each other. I also postulate that he probably “harshes the mellow” of anyone with mesmerizing ganja smoke alluringly leaking out of their mouths, it just takes a lot longer to get on the nerves of the severely stoned than it does the readers of WUWT.
Just be very careful what you “strip” ATTP of….I suspect that revealing certain other things relative to him might assault my gag-reflex in a very inhumane manner.
I never got that slogan or phrase. It was so totally stupid as to be literally stupefying.
“then” in the phrase implies either there was a time when there was no physics,(before there was no physics, but after physics then there is physics) or any argument could be closed by exclaiming in a fit of revelation that “there’s physics”.
Yes that is a very convincing argument; “there’s physics.” Thanks for the insight, silly me, I thought it was 12 monkeys with ukuleles that explained how our physical universe worked. The next time I am in an argument I think I’ll try “and then there’s gravity” and who knows perhaps easily win the argument.
Meanwhile, I think the slogan should be changed to
Funny that ATTP worm … well put Mike! Try making a contrary statement at one of his ‘preferred’ blogs and see what happens, assigned to the nether for eva! At least at skeptic blogs he is given some voice and not censored. With people like attp you are only entitled to an opinion if its his/theirs.
Hum, the last time I read something in the style of “Mike” it had been written by a paranoid schizophrenic who was in the local State Pen for immolating his wife. The person who gave the letter to me to assess, was his father.It is a sad case, this father had been fighting an almost 10 year battle to get the poor fellow sent to the “criminally insane” lockup in this my state (out of the normal criminal lock up). Please note, certain aspects of the writing of the P/S individual can “seem” to present some logic, but overall..there is a discontinuity and (usually) obsession with persecution quality, that gives the final marker on the (serious) mental problem. By the way, my assessment given to the father of this individual, was what 5, hired evaluators (Psychiatrists) concluded after lengthy interviews with the individual. I made that assessment within a minute of reading the 5 page letter written by the man’s son.
Hum, last time I read something in the style of “Max”, it was from an arrogant self aggrandizer who thought he must “seem” logical to everyone else, but his writing showed markers of narcissistic personality disorder….
Mike as Usual
I ran across ATTP on another site and was surprised when he showed up here to take a beating from people who understand physics.
‘Beating him like a rented donkey’ as the saying goes.
My approach was direct during the survey (which played up a lot in my browser).
My major point was in the ‘what should we achieve’ question. I said they should communicate to people that global warming stopped some years ago and as the CO2 trading schemes/scams were enriching the likes of Goldman Sachs while throwing hundreds of millions of people into energy poverty, they should educate people. They should tell them that CO2 is rising and the temperature isn’t and that Big Green is shafting Africa taking money from urgent needs because of the false predictions of computer models.
To the question ‘what does climate change mean to me?’ I answered that it is the new name for ‘global warming’ chosen after the world stopped warming and CO2 continued to rise unabated.
I think it is nice they have a large organisation. Now they should help expose and prosecute the crooks who are taking all the money under false pretences. I suggested they apply the example provided by the new president of Kenya who on Thursday evening in HIS state of the Nation address exposed hundreds of corrupt officials including 26 parliamentarians and gave the list to the Speaker. They have all been told to tender their resignations while investigations continue. Kenya a few days ago captured the last town in the hands of Somali pirates whose money was being laundered though Nairobi lawyers. They seem to be willing to act with integrity, the Kenyans.
That is how to deal with organised crime! Just because fraud is committed on a massive scale does not make it the new norm. False pretences are still false and the jails can accommodate all of them, no problem.
Good for you, Aphan. I wanted to write something like what you did but was too lazy. Creativity should be celebrated. LOVE Mike’s lack of inhibition and FREEDOM of expression.
“We murder to dissect” (Wordsworth, I believe).
Hey Max!
Jeez… I must have struck a nerve! The hive’s bringin’ out the big-guns, I see!
Of course, Max, yours is not the first freebie, self-important and portentous, shrink-booger musing, I’ve inspired. The pattern seems to be that when those like moi–coolie-trash peon-nobodies, who love individual liberty and ethical science, and who utterly lack any blood-line, hive-nomenklatura connections–presumptuously dare to dish out some Alinskyite ridicule, in opposition to this, that, or another lefty-agenda interest, then us impertinent, class-enemy gad-flies must be tagged by our white-coated, gadfly-net-wielding betters as “criminally insane”–not directly, mind you, but rather through weasley-little-hive-shit innuendos–you know, Max, of the sort you deployed in your last.
Curious, isn’t it, Max, how those attracted to useful-tool, hive-“psychiatry” are so very often socially-incompetent spastic-dorks, consumed by their dateless-Saturday-nite, brooding, vindictive mean-streak, and afflicted with the tragedy of “PKW” (Philosopher-King Wannabe) syndrome. Of course, I’m not referring to you, Max, here in any way, but any thoughts on what the deal is here, in regard to others who fit the above profile, who you might know, Max?
But let me end this comment on a conciliatory note, Max–ever hear of Andrei Snezhnevky? No? Well, let me turn you on to him, Max. I mean, like, he’s your kind of guy, I’m thinkin’. Then again, I could be wrong, of course. But check him out and see what you think.
Please accept my thanks, all, for the kind and supportive comments, above–they are much appreciated.
Max,
How long were you the cellmate of the individual who wrote the letter you referred to? Did you know his father prior to your incarceration with him? A one minute evaluation by you should have been easy had you shared many moments together.
Perhaps you have a good point, perhaps not. It’s impossible to tell from the random words you have written. Where are the moderators when you need them?
[Reply: we don’t needlessly censor comments, even random ones. There is always the remedy of skipping over comments. ~mod.]
Hey Richard B!
Look, Richard, I can see where you’re intendin’ to go with your last, and everything. And, let me just say, that I can appreciate a lordly, “we”-are-not-amused, peasant-phobe, snob-booger snub, as well as the next uppity peon, even if it’s at my own expense, and everything. But, frankly, I gotta tell you, Richard, that your comment, as it sits now, trapped lifelessly, as it is, in mere words on a blog page, just doesn’t doesn’t do justice to a natural-aristocrat, like yourself, and your undoubted, special gift for the cold, steely-eyed, corrective slash of the seigneur’s riding-crop.
So, like, what I’m thinkin’, Richard, is your comment would probably work much, much better if you re-cast it as a linked you-tube video, with you deliverin’ the comment, in person. Think about it, Richard. You know, like, how that way you could, then, impressively roll out your words in a haughty plummy-accent (yep!–I admit, I’m just guessin’ here, Richard, that you’ve got one of those rascals–but fake it, if you don’t, would be my recommendation) ; and throw-in, you know, like, a coupla or so, nuanced “harrumphs” for “color”; and, maybe even, you might want to give a regal, Philosopher-King lift to your head so that your comment is delivered down the full-length sight-lines of your noble Roman-nose (and if you don’t have one you can get a rubber one from Amazon that you can glue on for the video–the helots will never know the difference). You know, that sort of thing, Richard. But then, you don’t need a contemptible, coolie-trash nobody, like moi, offerin’ “suggestions” to one of my betters, like toi, on how to “Wow!” the hoi-polloi, right, Richard? But can you see what I’m talkin’ about?
And, oh by the way, do you mind, Richard, if I call you Dick?
Damn.
So involved in the present web site, I clear forgot to turn everything [including the dishwasher – two minutes] on.
My survey responses were of a pH under 3, but polite.
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If it wasn’t for WUWT I would have no idea that it was Earth Hour. Anthony has a real knack for promoting things that would have just faded away without his help. Unfortunentluy most of those things should have just faded away.
I told them just that in my survey responses! I’m sure everything I had to say truly did “help” the “Earth Hour Movement”…which they say is MY Movement anyway! Yeehaaaaa! I’m going to go rent an SUV so I can run it in my driveway along with our two cars, the 4 wheeler, the go cart, and the portable generator we keep in the basement for special occasions like this!
A movement from the bowels of the Earth!
noaaprogrammer
“A movement from the bowels of the Earth!”
They might want to reconsider lighting candles then right?
Go out and leave the lights on 🙂
As I live on a farm where it is a waste of electricity to turn them all on with nobody to see them, although I certainly didn’t turn anything off. I did post a comment on FB, mostly just to poke an activist busybody who has posted about earth hour like it is the second coming.
” Earth hour is upon us. It makes perfect sense to sit in the dark (although you should shut your furnace off and close anything electrical if your being honest) to draw attention to global warming, after all nothing like reminding people why we use fossil fuels in the first place. You know, to not spend our time sitting in the dark and cold. How better to draw attention to efforts to make every hour as dark as earth hour?
I propose fossil fuel appreciation hour. Where we pay a bit of common sense respect to the fact that much of our modern world is built on and relies on fossil fuels. That fossil fuels have actually acted as a buffer between 7 billion people and the non-fossil fuel based resources we would need to keep us alive, just imagine the trees would need to chop down and burn to replace just one years with of natural gas heating in Canada. Sometimes doing the right thing can also recognize choosing the lesser of two evils.”
Cheers and happy fossil fuel appreciation hour.
Just a suggestion, but change your screen name from something that has nothing to do with Brandon.
Most peoples’ initial response, unless they check the screen name closely, will be to a serial Useful Idiot called Brandon.
I must have slept through Earth hour, so I could watch the F1 race live from Malaysia, now that’s a good use of fossil fuels!
And in the morning, MotoGP is on, I love racing season!
you guys are all just being a-holes… You may not agree with the intent of earth hour, but going out of your way to waste a non renewable resource is just stupid. just ignore it.
Ironic! Instead of ignoring this thread, you went out if your way and wasted a non renewable resource just to give us a piece of your mind?
@ur momisugly Someone who is, just, just, ooooo, just so ANGRY, lol:
Extravagance to make a statement strong enough to drown out those who would enslave us is not a “waste.”
The Envirostalinists would end our use of that resource decades, possibly centuries, before it is gone.
We will use that resource boldly
to ensure that we will be using what remains of it.
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btw: hydropower is renewable; nano-techology makes carbon-based fuel “renewable;”… nuclear power is not likely to ever run out; trees are a 50-year crop; … so, what’s “non-renewable” that matters in the long run?
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And just how is it you know that human ingenuity is going to suddenly cease producing new technology and energy solutions? From God’s mouth to your ear?
How was your PC comment powered? Did you turn it off? LOL
Patrick
March 29, 2015 at 12:22 am
“How was your PC comment powered? Did you turn it off? LOL”
No, he switched to battery power because that doesn’t use any energy lmao
Well extravagance for the sake of extravagence… At least you are paying for it from the ultility company… Unless you are on solar, wind or have your own well… But that would be against everything deniers stand for. I sincerely hope that your waste bumps you into the higher usage bracket and increases the rate for your waste
The granddaddy of climate deniers, Anthony Watts, drives a hybrid car, championed a 125 KW solar array on a local school when he was a board trustee and put a 10KW solar array on his own home.
I’ll bet you wish you really were someone else right now lol.
I should add, we are a family of three and average a half a bag of garbage a week, the rest goes in the composter, the paper and plastic in recycling boxes. My wife and I have shared one vehicle for the past 7 years and we conserve energy whenever reasonable.
We don’t do this because we enjoy standing around at cocktail parties smugly admiring our own flatulence, we do it because it’s practical, sensible and we don’t appreciate pollution anymore than the next person.
I’m sorry this doesn’t fit your narrative, better luck next time.
@Someone else,
I would be interested in your response to MichaelS. How are you going to demonize a scientific skeptic who undoubtedly does more to conserve the environment than you and your whole family?
Not to mention host Anthony Watts, who consistently puts the alarmist crowd to shame.
Really, it’s always “Do as I say, not as I do” with the eco-religion brigade.
“Someone else
March 29, 2015 at 8:32 am
Well extravagance for the sake of extravagence…”
Are you for real? There are at least 70million Ethiopians that will trade places with you in an instant. Are you up for that? Nah, didn’t think so!
Using the electricity is not wasting it … its already there, in surplus, to meet peak demand. (you should thank the users for bringing the cost down for you).
Now, if you are talking about me leaving my diesel truck running and parked next to my neighbor’s heavily BumperStickeredPrius (BSP’s) just to irritate him, then you could very reasonably call me names without appearing to be an ignorant zealot.
(But if you didn’t note the wasteful cost of the bumper stickers and the Prius itself, then you revert back to being a willfully ignorant zealot.)
@ur momisuglyMichaelS – I applaud your personal conservation efforts, I truly do. Your statement “we conserve energy whenever reasonable” seems to say that you would not be participating in Watts crusade against Earth Hour. This appreciation of your efforts however is contingent on the fact that you are not yet another avatar of the esteemed mr. dbstealey (in which case you are simply blowing hot gas out your @ur momisugly$$.)
@ur momisuglyjanice – with any luck human ingenuity will make the use of fossil fuels obsolete, and we will be able to stop using them because we can, not because we have to. there’s still plenty of water out there (except for california), yet trains no longer run on steam engines…
@ur momisuglydbstealy/dbs/Smokey/D.S.(/possibly MichaelS) (yeah, one profile… sure…) – This will be the last time i address you intentionally and directly (though your sock puppet accounts may still inadvertently bait me into discussion). First of all, this was not a personal attack, you are attempting to make it one by saying i demonize all behaviors of all skeptics in the world. That is simply not the case. As for Michael, as mentioned above I am happy that he is participating in ecological, responsible living habits (provided that is not you blowing hot air under a different name). Regarding your personal attack on me, you do not know who i am, my living situation, profession, or habits, so for you to make such grandiose assumptions about me is simply trying to provoke more people to demonize *me*.
Anthony Watts having a solar power system installed on his house seems irrelevant to this discussion for several reasons. First, it may be public knowledge (and thats debatable), but that does not make it common knowledge. If you took a poll of the users here and asked how he powered his house, i will bet you that the consensus is that he uses power from the utility companies, like most people. Second, nowhere in his “article” did he mention this fact. Rather, he spurs the masses on and encourages everyone to do as he does (without mentioning the fact that he is using renewable resources). The purpose of Earth Hour is not to make the world dark, it is to raise awareness of human impact on this planet. Anthony is effectively saying “let them eat cake”… This is morally reprehensible. If he’s really trying to say “Do as I Do”, he has a lot of groundwork to lay before encouraging people to turn on the lights. Perhaps he could start a foundation to help bring solar and wind power (for example) to those poor ethiopians that @ur momisuglypatrick is so worried about. If he did that, there’d be more carbon-spewing resources for the other members of this blog to waste.
Someone else,
It comes as no surprise that you think steam engines of yore used water as fuel.
Someone else, you referred to posters here as a-holes then said dbstealey was, “trying to provoke more people to demonize *me*. It seems you don’t need any help in that department.
You then said, “Unless you are on solar, wind or have your own well… But that would be against everything deniers stand for” and followed up with “Anthony Watts having a solar power system installed on his house seems irrelevant to this discussion for several reasons”
You made the statement that deniers are against anything to do with conservation, why is it not relevant to point out your misconception of a least two deniers here.
BTW I have no problem giving my full name and personal info if you will provide somehow to contact you. Perhaps you could identify yourself as well.
Someone else,
Anthony goes into detail of his conservation efforts on his “about page”. It was one of the first things I looked at when I first came to this site. I’d say that makes it about as public knowledge as can be.
“Someone else” says:
@dbstealy/Smokey/D.S.(/possibly MichaelS) (yeah, one profile… sure…)
Well, that is conclusive proof, at least to me (and to Anthony, who has known me personally for many years) that “Someone else” is completely deluded.
I doubt if anyone but “Someone else” cares about this, but for the record: I don’t sockpuppet. I use my real name, and no other: dbstealey. But I think “Someone else” must be feeling guilty due to his psychological Projection — a hallmark of many alarmist trolls. No doubt “Someone else” is just one of that troll’s fake identities.
Prove me wrong, chump. Post your real name, like I do. People don’t like hypocrites, and you posting with your fake screen name, accusing me of being a sockpuppet, is nothing but deflection.
And:
This will be the last time i address you intentionally and directly (though your sock puppet accounts may still inadvertently bait me into discussion).
Oh, goody. That means I will comment on your posts, debunking them at will, but you won’t respond? Excellent! And just so we have the ground rules straight: does that also apply to your other fake identities? Since I am not using any other “sock puppet accounts”, I want to make sure you’re not, either. The only way to know that for sure is for you to identify yourself with your real name.
But you won’t, will you? Trolls like you never do.
I just want to point out to anyone who might be reading the last post by dbstealey/dbs/smokey/D.S./etc is complete misdirection, and completely focused on himself. He makes no attempt to address the issues, and simply tries to add fuel to the fire and discredit me because i didn’t share my name. Who the f*ck is DBStealey? nobody knows, nobody cares. Misdirection is the hallmark of someone who can’t be held accountable.
And @ur momisugly mebbe – you do understand that the point of that portion of my post was to demonstrate technological advance. You and I know full well that water is not what fueled steam engines, but it it what powered it, and created locomotion. Water distribution/refill systems had to be in place whenever the railroad expanded into new territory…
A note to the moderator (Note read and filed. – mod.)
…otherwise, please put a muzzle on him.
(if this posts, it will make a lot more sense if/when my previous comment makes it through the mod)
Well, now. Here is a perfect example of psychological projection by “Someone else”. [‘Projection’ is imputing your own faluts onto others.]
I had commented to ‘Someone else’:
I would be interested in your response to MichaelS.
Fair comment, no? But instead of responding, Mr. ‘Else’ misdirected into his false flag attack. He still has not answered the concern I raised. As I posted above, …it’s always “Do as I say, not as I do” with the eco-religion brigade. That still applies to S. Else.
“Someone else” is engaging in his usual projection, by saying once again:
I just want to point out to anyone who might be reading the last post by dbstealey/dbs/smokey/D.S./etc is complete misdirection
Of course, the misdirection is Mr. Else’s alone, as anyone can see. After “Someone else” focused completely on me instead of what I requested, his respons was that I’m: …completely focused on himself. This “Someone else” sockpuppet is the parody of a troll. He truly doesn’t seem to understand how he comes across. All his accusations are actually the things he is doing.
Next, Mr. “Else” says that I…
…add fuel to the fire and discredit me because i didn’t share my name. Who the f*ck is DBStealey?
Heh. I am exactly who I say I am. I post my real name for all to see, and I do not use any other identities. The real question is: Who are you, Mr. ‘Someone else’?
And Mr. S. Else is discredited, because he hides behind a fake name, while falsely accusing others of doing the same thing — and he’s über-sensitive that I note that his fake name is still being used. Pathetic, no? Mr. Else is a sockpuppet. He will remain a sockpuppet until he uses his real name. Complaining that another commenter actually uses his own name is disingenuous.
Finally, Mr. Else adds another non sequitur, by demanding that this site must:
…put a muzzle on him. [Meaning me.]
Wouldn’t that be nice? Then Mr. Else, (who promised just a few minutes ago that he would never respond to a comment of mine again) would have these threads all to himself, without me to debunk his nonsense.
Then, who would be next? He could continue to attack Anthony without any push-back, and he could continue to refer to other readers here as: …you guys are all just being a-holes.
Sorry, Mr. Else, that isn’t going to happen. Everything you say, and everything you are complaining about is, in fact, merely psychological projection on your part. If you haven’t noticed, no one agrees with you. Why should they, when you label them “a-holes”? I am personally convinced that you are one of the handful of banned trolls who just cannot stand to take your medicine.
Prove me wrong, “Someone else”. Post your real name, just like I do. Anything else is rank hypocrisy on your part. Not to mention sockpuppetry.
Someone else,
it does seem a bit hypocritical to accuse dbstealy of being a sockpuppet while hiding behind the anonymity of a pseudonym. As stated above, I will gladly provide my full name so as to put an end to your assertion that I am also dbstealey. I have nothing to hide and would hope that you would do the same.
Turned on all the lights in gratitude for the light and warmth given to us. It’s a miracle.
Blast it, Anthony. I’d happily forgotten all about Earth Hour until just now! 🙁
Me too. Next up Earth Week. Last year I got permission from the organizer at work to display my presentation about New Hampshire Wind Turbine projects. However, her boss took it down in 15 minutes because it had opinion about them (mostly factual stuff about noise) beyond the introductory pages describing the various projects.
Maybe I can do something comparing this winter to 1934….
Way — to — go, Ric Werme. I’d do the windmill thing again — edit out the “opinion” stuff. People are REALLY ignorant of how perpetually economically inefficient (and devastating to birds and bats) they actually are.
You muckraker!!! I love it. What a great idea.
Me too. Remembering wouldn’t have helped, though, since we were in a brightly lit restaurant at the time, enjoying good food and company and excellent air conditioning.
[Personally, I plan to turn on all my lights tonight – Anthony]
More than that: I’ll add some 1000Watt (no pun intended) Halogen spot lights to show the world that there is some resistance against darkening propaganda. Don’t worry, there are some extra fuses at hand, just in case…
Perhaps illuminate the outside of your home with some strategically placed 10,000,000 CANDLE POWER flashlights. I have one that will throw a beam for over a mile.
We are here…We Are Here…WE ARE HERE
Maybe even place them on rotating stands at a slight angle (like search lights) and play Stars & Stripes Forever over a loud speaker
Now just pulse it 3 short, 3 long, 3 short and hopefully someone out there in space will realize that intelligent life does live on Earth and not cancel the project 🙂
Oh, Bryan A, I LOVE that movie. Here, for a footnote for readers of this thread 50 years from now who may not (lol, or for NOW, who never heard of that movie, heh) grasp your allusion:
“Horton Hears a Who” — WE ARE HERE! (youtube)
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AND!
“Stars and Stripes FOREVER!” (J. P. Sousa — youtube)
Because, WE, the People, the vast majority who love liberty and science TRUTH, are HERE!
AND WE WILL VOTE FOR LIBERTY IN 2016!! Yea! Good things are ahead for America (and the world).
Goooo, Anth-ony, Mods, and all you Science Giants!!
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P.S. That is a sun-RISE behind Old Glory. 🙂
Bryan A March 28, 2015 at 12:34 pm
Bryan A, make sure that you have the rest of the runway lights ready when you hear the first 747 looking for a parking spot.
Earth Hour – The annual inventory of useful idiots …
Still, light represent life and knowledge. Why embrace ignorance …?
“Earth Hour – The annual inventory of useful idiots”
I am so stealing that. 😀
Please do so! 🙄
The survey asked me what I hoped that Earth Hour would accomplish….and I responded with something about using candlelight to determine missile telemetry and targeting logistics….or something. 🙂
Annual inventory, love it.
Why, have you discovered a use for those imbeciles??
Isn’t it obvious since long ago, that WWF is trying to exploit them? This also includes most politicians …
Sheeple believe they can change climate change by burning petroleum based candles instead of electric light.
Maybe we ought to go back to killing “right” whales.
Better start breeding them first.
Breeding??? With Whales??? Bragger
In Wales we breed with sheep (when the wife’s not looking)
I do what I can to save the whales.
“we breed with sheep”
Do you ever ask yourself, “Do ewe love me?”
I save whales, got 4 now.
This exchange made me laugh! Old44’s made me LOL.☺
I lack the references to know the numbers to use, but it may be interesting to calculate the burned gas emissions from a candle and multiply that by how many are needed to illuminate like a 60 Watt bulb, and compare how much CO2 is produced by the candles versus the electricity from coal.
If the candles produce more CO2 than a highly efficient coal power plant, then the Greenies are encouraging us to produce the dreaded CO2 (which I and many believe is healthy plant food). would it be a nice bit of irony?
A candle doesn’t give much light for the CO and CO2 and heat and other VOC’s it emits.
You can buy a candle-powered PV cell that feeds electricity into a high efficiency LED that gives far more light than the candle, after substantial inefficiencies in the conversion to electricity.
A coal-fired power station is MUCH more efficient from every aspect of providing illumination. The only thing better is a really good quality coal stove. They can heat a home more efficiently than any power station with less total CO2, less CO and less PM2.5 for any chosen amount of heating.
Putting a thermoelectric generator of your coal stove will give you 2 KW of electricity too, while you heat the house. There are even 5 KW versions, big enough to run an electric stove.
Earth Hour should promote modern technologies, not candles made from paraffin wax.
as someone who helps produce pure beeswax candles..
I can tell you for 60 or so kg of clean wax it takes 3 full days of preparation( using electricity and fast boil , medium simmering and sloooow final stage , to get well purified sediment free wax
then that is poured n set
then its reboiled in smaller batches to ensure absolute purity so theres no smoke or spitting and a really good long burn time.
we all have a huge laugh when the thousands..now down to some hundreds get ordered for Idiot hour.
and yes the people still believing is dropping a lot over the years:-0
we used to start boiling down months ahead to have stock.
Seems Roger T has created a now solar model and back tested it with pretty good results.
Future is looking Cold.
One good thing, that extra C02 (plant food) will come in handy during shorter growing seasons.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RogTallbloke/status/581811450915758080
Dare I ask what these people want to change climate change to? Perhaps Someone else or Sir Harry could enlighten us.
Seems like it has already been changed FROM Global Warming TO Climate Change TO Climate Disruption
Those “These People” seem to want to change it to Stagnant from Constantly Changing
I like that:
From a fluctuating climate to stagnant back to fluctuating.
Now that sounds like normal climate change to me.
Point well taken, so I’ll rephrase the question. What exactly is going on with the climate that has the alarmists in such a tizzy? I was hoping Someone Else would chime in, but looks like he made one quick comment, then ran.
Exactly what is going on with the climate to upset the warmists [also called Chickenlittlists] is that almost nothing’s going on that is supposed to. And, even worse, people are not giving them the unalloyed adulation they need.
Unfortunately academics and bureaucrats aren’t used to normal reality.
They find it most disturbing.
The lights will be on in my house, as will the TV (hockey game), the oven (in a self-cleaning cycle), the furnace (still below freezing here), the refrigerator (keeping food and drink safe and cold), and more. No paraffin-burning, fire-hazard creating candles in this house.
(I wonder if those candle wavers in the Earth Hour photo know their candle wax is a hydrocarbon product made from petroleum? Nah, why am I even asking?)
Righto, they ought to use kindlings because these are sustainable. But those folks are to stupid to light them properly, I suppose.
Another great idea. This board is full of them. Think about it. While a lot of people turn things off we can all use the unused capacity without fear of causing an brown/black out! Dishwasher is full, laundry ready, beer cooling in fridge (naturally), footy on the tely, lights on.
Brilliant.
Excellent Anthony! Same here – lights ablazing, driving around in my 4×4 V-8 Ford Raptor, television blaring through my sound system with big speakers, and just up the road a few miles from me the oil sands pumping all out 24/7/365. And yes if all oil/gas production stopped civilization as we know it collapses. Moreover, those “earth” hour freaks have electricity to turn off in the first place – it saddens me that these first world humans are so shallow in their thinking while half the world would love to have what they now have that they curse.
I have an FX4 with Ecoboost. Power everything and it runs GOOD!! The greens can rot…
Perfect!
Thank you for supporting composting.
Grand Cherokee WITH a 4 barrel carb Hemi, just love ( the wife does not much) it when the foot goes down, but already a few times (if not more ) it has pulled me out of dangerous situations fighting hybrids(LOL)
I sprayed roundup on the dandelions and dumped the recycling into the garbage.
Where i live they actually hire people to rummage through random garbage bags looking for evidence of paper (hoping to find a name and address) and banana peels.
Wow Mick, Back into the (not so good old) USSR!, Here there was a suggestion (seriously) of UPC codes on the sides of the bins and a camera checking what fell out. so they would know who was trying to “cheat”.
All my lights are on and yes, somebody is at home.
Annual tradition obliges – all lights on at 8:30 pm.
Burning just 2 candles puts out more CO2 than keeping your lights on…
I love Leftist irony…
I’ve always tried to live by the philosophy of lighting a candle rather than cursing the darkness, while leftists seem to curse the light and worship darkness… Go figure.
I’m playing Frozen Wasteland in honor of Earth Hour. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u03QcymdCtg
Here ya go, Dave (I hope):
Thanks Janice for the laugh. And our lights are on tonight, I hope for some of these candle burners they see a glimmer as well, they should be made to WALK home without the streetlights.
Hi, Asybot — glad you (and you, too, U.K.) enjoyed that. Dave R deserves any credit, though. I just re-posted it so there was a control window in the comment box.
Yeah, torque/acceleration power are WONDERFUL — my favorite part of any airplane flight? Take-off! I’m always bummed out if the pilot takes off gradually and (yawn) boringly.
Oh, yes. They should walk (or ride their horse) everywhere… and work hard all day hoeing their vegetable garden and milking the cow and making their own butter and… NO dentistry… and … lol… . Just a bunch of Enviroprofiteers preying on the gullible.
-9 C tonight, well below average for Southern Ontario… I plan to turn up the heat a bit and we’re watching a movie. And my wife seems to like having lights on all over the house.
Hey Otter- I heard on the news this morning that Toronto had a 3% drop in power use during EH. I guess that means 97% of Ontarians disagree! I’m not sure anyone on the Prairies knew about it. This is my least favourite time of year- not enough snow left for the snowblower, no new grass for the lawnmower, and ice still on the lakes so I can’t use the outboard.
did survey too, and blasted them, told them to get over their climate hysteria…think my comments will never see the light of day
I simply asked a simple question and presented a simple fact that shows their position to be wrong.
How long with rising CO2 and flat or falling temperatures before you admit your theory that CO2 controls the climate is wrong?
All 5 of the major datasets (RSS, UAH, HadCRUT4, GISS, NCDC) show no warming for between 14 and almost 18 years. In that time CO2 has risen 8-10%.
I can almost hear the “deep ocean excuses” or “arctic ate my global warming” but it’s always good to be polite but ask uncomfortable questions.
joannenova.com.au/2015/03/how-will-you-celebrate-power-hour-tonight/
Do your bit to feed starving plants, and regreen deserts. Rejoice that at the flick of a switch we can do something that would seem magical for most of human history, and that which 1.3 billion people today still can’t do.
Do it for the children
Will be turning lights off. Great opportunity to view the stars if there’s much participation nearby.
Mind your step, don’t kick the pet. And what are you going to do when the sky is clouded or even overcast?
Nom Nomen,
Wishing all nice clear skies for a chance at some improved star gazing. Just looking at the side benefits should they materialize.
Hey! How’s Marlowe?
Otter,
She’s still with Phil. It’s all about the stars!
Danny Thomas you are SO transparently warmist, lol. Unless you are a coward, your feeble “I just want to look at the stars in the middle of my neighborhood” excuse is great comedy. Thanks for the laugh.
Janice,
Thank you. Happy to have made ya smile. But ya see my “neighborhood” is out in the middle of nowhere so the star gazing really is nice. Oh, and just to clarify. I am a bit of a lukewarmer, just not sure about all this CO2 oriented stuff being the correct approach. Not intending to stir things up, but I do see side benefits of some of the environmental causes like this one. I love my out of doors as I’m just not a city boy.
So, like most warmists, you deal in half-truths and deception, too….
You (10:48am today): “view the stars if there’s much participation nearby.”
You (11:14am today): “my ‘neighborhood’ is out in the middle of nowhere so the star gazing really is nice.”
Go l1e on some other site, soft-voiced troll in the fuzzy bunny suit.
Janice,
Small town of about 2500 out in the middle of nowhere. On avg. nites the stargazing is good. On “dark” nights it oughta be better but I have no idea what (if any) participation will be. Either way, I’ll be looking at the stars.. So each of my comments were accurate. Maybe there was less than full disclosure (I didn’t offer my address after all) and maybe there were some assumptions.
Whoa Nellie, there, Janice.
Assume you are among friends, until it is proven otherwise.
Did you notice Grandma’s teeth when she smiles?
Good for you, dear U.K., but, for me it has been proven: impeached out of his own testimony.
And yet just the other day you, when I concurred with a statement of yours, offered me thanks. Janice, I fear the issue may not be with me. It seems that in your opinion if one does not accept the entirety of what’s in your mind (and I have no idea what that entails but you’ve obviously decided that what I think is counter to you) then that one has no value and must leave. Interesting. I think you know not “my testimony” and are not bothering to investigate.
Ain’t nuthin’ gonna get solved on this particular thread tonight.
Liked your video you put up.
Janice: I agree with uk, lighten up and let Danny stargaze. I rode him very hard when he first appeared here, suspecting him of trolling, but I’ve seen some posts of his that prove he’s no troll, has come here to learn, and has learned well. If he’s a lukewarmer, well, Konrad says this is a LW site (a good laugh that). Mr. Thomas, I’ve been waiting for the chance to apologize, sorry. Loved your show, ever get that nose worked on? Hope your skies are clear, here it appears Venus is close enough to warm us (it’d be CO2, but no anthro!). So long as you’re not burning candles.
Paul Courtney,
Thank you so very much for that commentary. I do, however think you have me confused with another with a much bigger nose (never modified) and much more money than I. Also, a better reputation and legacy of the St. Jude’s Children’s Hospital. Clear skies to Venus, but of note I’m not enjoying the night skies as I hoped as I got side tracked on a topic w/r/t climate. And that’s just sad. But I did have a small campfire last night!
Paul Courtney,
I had the same initial reaction as you, Janice, and others to D. Thomas. It must be something in his commenting style that puts people off.
Like you, my opinion of him has changed over time; it has improved. But it would change a lot more if he would admit that because there are no empirical, testable measurements of man-made global warming [MMGW]; that the entire carbon scare is based on nothing more than speculation. MMGW is a conjecture; an opinion. Nothing more [and for the record, I think AGW exists.]
Science is all about verifiable, repeatable measurements. When there are no measurements, we can still discuss possibilities — just like we can discuss the possibilty that the cow jumped over the moon.
OK, that’s farther out than I wanted to go. But it makes the point: after many decades of searching, by thousands of highly educated scientists using the latest scientific equipment, there still is not one single measurement quantifying AGW [MMGW]. That should tell even the most casual observer that even if MMGW exists, it must be extremely minuscule. If it was significant, MMGW would have been measured and quantified by now. We would know the specific fraction of MMGW, out of total global warming. But we still don’t know that.
Whenever I’ve gotten into it with D. Thomas, the discussion is always hijacked, and deflected into arguments like “But putting more CO2 into the air can’t be good!”
So I get frustrated at the closed-minded attitude of people who have already made up their minds. How do you get through to them? How do you convince them that on net balance, it appears that the rise in CO2 has been entirely beneficial? That there has been zero harm from the rise in CO2?
Some warmists have come around, and are now skeptics. But I don’t think the scales have fallen from D. Thomas’s eyes yet. I really wish he’d try to open his mind a little bit more, that’s all.
That said, he’s not nearly as frustrating as some others. So there’s that…
DB,
I owe ya a response as you put in effort for a long post and it’s appreciated. Just came back in from enjoying the night sky but gotta work tomorrow. I will respond as I owe you that.
This is off topic and I’d e-mailed to Anthony (and I’m sure he has time to look at a note from me) a few days ago as the comments are closed on this: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/02/25/almost-30-years-after-hansens-1988-alarm-on-global-warming-a-claim-of-confirmation-on-co2-forcing/
For those who wondered as I did why the study was released in 2015 with data only to 2010, I sent an e-mail and asked and received this reply:”Here is the response from Dan Feldman, lead scientist on this research:
Good question. We need a lot of different datasets in order to do this analysis. Some of those datasets currently do not extend past the beginning of 2011. Specifically the dataset with which we screen for clouds (called Active Remote Sensing of Cloud Locations). However, that dataset should be updated and available soon and extend to the present, so we can extend the analysis forward in time.”
Db,
Again I apologize for the delay. A couple of days of long hours working (still at the RV Park for one more month in this seasonal position then on to a new adventure) so thanks for the patience.
If my commenting style is offputting I’ll accept responsibilty for that. In part, it’s percieved by me that it’s due to my “lack of commitment” to one side or the other in this discussion (I hear it from both sides at times). After study in a non-linear, chaotic fashion 🙂 I’ve learned I’ve way more to learn than I likely ever will manage to digest.
So, to addressing concerns:”But it would change a lot more if he would admit that because there are no empirical, testable measurements of man-made global warming [MMGW]; that the entire carbon scare is based on nothing more than speculation. MMGW is a conjecture; an opinion. Nothing more [and for the record, I think AGW exists.]”
I will stipulate to the first sentence. The second sentence I would replace “speculation” with “correlation”. The third I would replace “conjecture” with “theory” (while not disagreeing with “opinion”). And I too think AGW is reasonable to be studied as a theory but there should be expanded focus to include: UHI, Deforestation, alternate GHG’s, and for me NON A G.W. I’m a bit baffled how we supposedly magically turned off the long term natural warming “just in time” for man to take over. And until we understand that segment how can it be soley “man’s” fault to the exclusion of nature.
W/R/T ““But putting more CO2 into the air can’t be good!” I can only respond that I “think” that we can respond to the CO2 issue (at this point in time) by implementing what I would term “politcally acceptable” programs which can meet the needs of both sides. Reforestation (for beauty) happens to sequester CO2. Improved Ag practice to reduce water waste and increase biomass (happens to sequester CO2). Improved urban planning. And alternative energy sources (because FF will not last forever). I am not an advocate of “doing in” the fossil fuel industry by any means as from what I’ve read the “web” of economies, university funding, (list is too long to complete here) based on the lack of evidence makes zero sense.
Db, I came in under the impression this was a science issue with politics tossed in. Now, I’d say it’s a political issue with science tossed in. And I (even at my level of understanding) have serious issues with “correlation does not imply causation”, contrary science, and acceptance of the IPCC. I’m an outdoorsy kind of guy and hate plastics floating in our oceans, hate polluted skies (hard to see stars), hate trash tossed out willy-nilly (I could go on but this is already too long). I still drive my one ton dually pick-up and love it. I’m good with nuclear but do have security concerns (more internationally than locally). I’m politically a independent and find that folks tend to “take up sides” and non-GW issues get dragged in and in the current political “climate”.
I’m firmly “skeptical” (and am amazed of those who are not) of both left and right, and third of my own thinking.
Now I have a bit of concern with the theory of a cow actually jumping over the moon but since we’ve put monkey’s in space then under the right circumstances it’s plausible. But I have read no studies so if you have a link. 😉
I do not wish to hijack this post but wanted to respond as promised and offer an expanded version of my (broadend?) thinking. I acknowledge having sooooo much to learn and sooooo much I don’t know. I apologize to the blog for being so far off topic and so wordy.
Nah Janice , Danny isn’t a warmunist, he is a man in search of the truth and will come to the inevitable conclusion that the theories aren’t matching the observations.
Dear Mr. Thomas,
I hope that D. B. Stealey reads your thoughtful response. Leaving aside other aspects to our interaction (ahem)… for now (smile)…, my heart went out to you (and I prayed, too) when I read this: “still at the RV Park for one more month in this seasonal position then on to a new adventure… .”
I have never come so close to having to live in my car as I have this year (not that your situation may be that dire, but, I, too had a “seasonal position” turn out to not be a stepping stone but a turtle, and I leapt back onto the jobless shore). Pretty scary.
May God guide and protect and bless you with safe travels and a good, solid, place to work and live.
(I hope no one else reads this! This was 4youreyesonly!)
Janice
Janice,
I thank you so very much. And, I need to clarify. We live in our RV by choice as it has been a life long dream to see the wonders of this amazing country and we are living that dream. (There was a reminder to Db as early on I don’t think he quite believed that part of my story). Unfortunately, not being trust funded, we must labor our way as we can but it is truly a labor of love. We chose to leave the “rat race” as life is too short for it to be about all things money (even though it’s still a requirement to participate).
So, we can only wish for you the abundance of blessings (from whomever guides you) we’ve been so fortunate to receive. And so very much more!
(Promise I won’t tell anyone other than the universes guide of your chosing, of your kind words).
Thank you, Danny Thomas. Glad to know that all is well.
Janice,
Truly wishing you the same and more! We’re all in this together.
D. Thomas says:
… I came in under the impression this was a science issue with politics tossed in. Now, I’d say it’s a political issue with science tossed in.
This site is intended to be a science site. Not a politics site, although in the current political climate, politics will inevitably intrude. But if we stick with science (which is the search for truth), we can arrive at a few solid conclusions.
For one thing, you say, …I would replace “conjecture” with “theory”.
If you do that, you are not discussing science. A scientific ‘theory’ must be able to make repeated, accurate predictions. AGW (and certainly CAGW) fail that test completely. No theory was able to predict the fact that global warming stopped many years ago. That spectacular failure has thrown the alarmist crowd into fits of consternation. How could they have been so wrong? But rather than admit they were wrong (which some of them initially did admit), they have doubled down on their fibs, telling folks now that global warming never really stopped. They will not face reality.
The answer for the failure of their original conjecture is simple: their premise was wrong. CO2 does not cause measurable global warming. They originally believed that a rise in CO2 would necessarily result in accelerating global warming. But in the event, they were proven wrong. Therefore, AGW cannot fit the definition of a “theory”. It is merely a conjecture — an opinion. At this point, that failed conjecture has taken five or six torpedoes. She’s going down.
Next, regarding your expected sidetracking into ocean pollution, water waste, urban planning, etc., those are a deflection from the scientific question. No one likes bad things happening to the environment — particularly scientific skeptics.
I firmly believe that skeptics care more about the environment than groups like Greenpeace, which think nothing of defacing 2,000 year old artifacts for public relations purposes. They talk a good game. But it’s all talk. They don’t walk the walk, as we saw when a Greenpeace director was caught commuting by 1st class airliner, rather than taking a commuter train.
There are many other examples of Greenpeace hypocrisy. And Greenpeace isn’t unique in that. The IPCC was caught colluding with the WWF in using unscientific opinions as the basis for their recommendations. You are right that there is a lot of politics in this issue. That is a major problem.
The only way to arrive as closely as possible to scientific truth is to be totally skeptical. Always ask, “Cui bono?” We are all bombarded 24/7/365 by all kinds of political advertising, with a thin veneer of ‘science’. It requires a constant effort to avoid becoming a head-nodder; a lemming, and agreeing with the media’s non-stop narrative. They want to colonize your mind. In too many cases, they have done just that. But that is certainly not science.
If you stick with the Scientific Method, and only accept what remains standing after all the smoke has cleared — after all attacks on a conjecture or theory have failed — then you will be on the right track; the track to scientific veracity.
So far, those trying to demonize “carbon” have failed completely. Their CO2=AGW conjecture has been ripped to shreds by skeptics who use facts and evidence. And none of the scary predictions they have made have happened. NONE of them! When one side is 100% wrong in every prediction, reasonable folks will begin to reject everything they tell us.
You should, too.
Db,
Sigh, I guess we can’t keep this short and concise.
“No theory was able to predict the fact that global warming stopped 18+ years ago. ” You are correct. No theory, and certainly no models did. (Still can’t from what I understand). So what happens when observable evidence is counter to a theory? One changes the theory, right? That does not mean that the AGW theory wasn’t a theory, it just means the theory was inaccurate. (But interestingly, you stated you “think AGW exists”)
Theory defintion:”The University of California, Berkley defines a theory as “a broad, natural explanation for a wide range of phenomena. Theories are concise, coherent, systematic, predictive, and broadly applicable, often integrating and generalizing many hypotheses.”
Any scientific theory must be based on a careful and rational examination of the facts. Facts and theories are two different things. In the scientific method, there is a clear distinction between facts, which can be observed and/or measured, and theories, which are scientists’ explanations and interpretations of the facts.”
Alternative definition:” an idea or set of ideas that is intended to explain facts or events
: an idea that is suggested or presented as possibly true but that is not known or proven to be true
: the general principles or ideas that relate to a particular subject
(You are welcome to chose your word and I ask that you accept my choice but should you not accept that you’re welcome to relocate as many electrons as you need in response)
Then:”Next, regarding your expected sidetracking into ocean pollution, water waste, urban planning, etc., those are a deflection from the scientific question. No one likes bad things happening to the environment — particularly scientific skeptics.” Never said anyone liked them. Just using them as examples of what many of us can agree upon (at least it sounds like you do) addressing so they’re politically “doable”.
Defacing artifacts by Greenpeace was frankly assinine and those responsible should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. They, IMO, stole a part of the “global” heritage (yours and mine). Just like those girls who scratched their initials in the Roman Coliseum. But these are acts of vandalism and are no more “scientific” than my comments about plastic pollution in the oceans. So we’re each equally guilty of sidetracking and should receive 50 licks each (or a pardon). Let’s move on from these silly issues, please.
Finally (after bypassing a couple of paragraphs): “So far, those trying to demonize “carbon” have failed completely. Their CO2=AGW conjecture has been ripped to shreds by skeptics who use facts and evidence. And none of the scary predictions they have made have happened. NONE of them!” This Db, if factually inaccurate. Some predictions (use whatever adverb you like but some folks, rightly or wrongly, are scared) have proven accurate (there is a bit of ice melting out there, sea levels are rising). Now, to be clear, this relates to warming which most everybody accepts is occurring. This does not mean the predictions were based on accurate analysis. Heck, even I can pick a stock accurately as a winner in the stock market once in a while, but this occurrance indicates nothing about my analytical abilities as I might have bought 100 stocks while getting one as the so called “winner”.
I’ve offered my response as promised to your question. And I appreciate your follow up. I’d much rather sit down with you and the beverage of your chosing (my treat) and discuss this but as I don’t forsee that happening maybe we can just settle on our modestly different points of view and not subject the blog to further back and forth tit for tat (or we can continue but I fear it may be pointless). From my view, this saga continues. We are learing more about the science so the jury is still out. And either way, if one lives in Kansas they’re not going to be physically impacted by SLR so the entire discussion is misframed. And most certainly, Db, you and I will not be the ones to settle it. I appreciate the discussion and look forward to future interactions on such a positive tone.
People who aren’t astronomers (amateur or pro) just don’t realize the amount of stars in the sky that are blocked out by light pollution. During a power outage in a large city the people were worried because they didn’t understand “where did all the stars come from?”. The stars were there all along but obscured.
It is a nice side effect but I doubt enough people go along with it to make a difference. The street lights dwarf most others and they are on. Good luck on your star gazing. Do you have scope? Friend has an 8″ but we have to go somewhere to get good views. He joked that we should go to North Korea for a star gazing holiday because every night is Earth Night there. Alas our wives thought of better places to go. 🙂
TRM,
Actually do have a scope my bride got me for a present a few years back. Don’t know much about the stars but can name a few constellations. Girls seem to have a giggle when ya point out Orion’s sword and all. And that whole Milky Way thingy is kinda awe inspiring. Makes ya feel a little small in the scheme of things.
I used to live in a town called Featherston, in New Zealand and even on a poor night, the night sky was pretty amazing to the naked eye.
I like taking pictures
M31
http://www.science20.com/sites/all/modules/author_gallery/uploads/1444101679-09132009_ps1900m.jpg
Danny Thomas, stargazing w/binoculars is wonderful — problem here is, any clear night other than in summer is cold. Orion is always fascinating — blue & red supergiants in abundance. The center star in Orion’s belt, Alnilam, is the closest 40 solar-mass supergiant to us — about 1300 light-yrs and about half again as far away as the blue supergiants on either side.
For a look at the 3-D distances of Orion’s main stars, look here:
Beng1
Thank you for that offering. It’s an amazing perspective and I have a couple of folks I certainly be sharing this with.
Regards,
Thanks for shedding some light on Earth Hour.
I will help light the way today, too.
I’d love to see if the number of house fires are statistically higher during earth day compared to other days in March.
Thanks for the reminder (as IF I keep track of the Envirocult’s holy days, lol)!
At dusk, PDT…
ALL NIGHT! lololololol
(and yes, somebody’s home, heh)
Easter, Thanksgiving and Christmas is about the extent of my list.
I answered the survey knowing it is a waste of time. I think it would be a good poll to go around and count the proportion of houses in the dark at that time. This would be a good crowd sourcing project with incredible accuracy to tell us the status of the sinistral sheeple. Naw, it would only depress me.
I did the survey too, Gary. I suspect they will not be overjoyed with my answers. For example, in response to what I hope this year’s Earth Day will achieve, I wrote something like: “I hope it shows the futility in curbing CO2 emissions in an attempt to alter natural climate fluctuations”.
For their final question, I replied: “Go Away!!!!”
“Get extinct” seems more appropriate to me.
@ur momisugly Gary Pearse “This would be a good crowd sourcing project with incredible accuracy to tell us the status of the sinistral sheeple.”
Why just the left-handed ones? Aren’t there some right-handed sheeple, too?
It’s interesting, isn’t it, that sinistral and sinister have the same origin? Left and threatening! Or spooky.
“Most candles are made of paraffin wax. Paraffin wax is made from petroleum in the oil refining process. It is naturally clear and odorless when burned, though most candles include dyes and fragrances.”
He he.
Banner looks like a promo for a world-wide Fire Worship Ritual.
Or perhaps a Barry Manilow concert, from what my sister says.
“We must make this place an insecure and inhospitable place for Capitalists and their projects – we must reclaim the roads and plowed lands, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers, and return to the wilderness millions and tens of millions of acres of presently settled land.” – Dave Foreman, “Earth First”
What an idiot!
How can you “shackle” a river, let alone “unshackle” it? Presumably the dams creating hydroelectric power have to go too?
Indeed (head shake).
“tens of millions of acres of presently settled land”
Translation:
(In the U.S. (as of 2000)): 94.6% of the land is Rural Open Space.
Source: http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2003/07/01/census-bureau-946-percent-us-rural-open-space
(and much of that 94.6% is “millions and tens of millions of wilderness”…. right now)
Source: Common knowledge.
In Idaho a t-shirt says “Earth-First.” On the back it says “We’ll log the other planets later!”
Central to Northern Idaho is a beautiful forest green.
(Not environmental green)
In the UK I’ve seen absolutely no publicity about it this year. Must be a good sign.