NASA scientist says that error has long since been corrected and the increase in sea ice in Antarctica is real.
As readers know, we announced this paper (which was under embargo): Claim: Antartica record high sea ice partially an artifact of an algorithm
Cato’s Patrick Michaels and Chip Knappenberger said the whole thing was not an ice mountain, but a molehill: Of mountains, molehills, and noisy bumps in the sea-ice record writing:
“If the reason that the shift was undetected is because the data is so noisy, how important can it be?”
“The change since the turn of the century is about 1.3 million square kilometers, a mountain of ice,” “The step change is about 200,000, a molehill. That doesn’t sound like ‘much’ to us.”
“But, hey, if you don’t look too close — and we are sure our greener friends (or the reviewers) won’t (or didn’t) — you might believe that everything is OK with the reigning, model-based paradigm. In fact there’s’‘much’ that is wrong with it,”
The Daily Caller’s Michael Bastasch noted that other scientists agree.
Scientists with NASA, who developed the disputed algorithm to calculate sea ice extent, also challenged Eisenman’s view, including the scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., who developed the algorithm that is being criticized in the study.
“The apparent expansion is real and not due to an error in a previous data set uncovered by the Eisenman et al paper,” NASA’s Josefino Comiso told Live Science. “That error has already been corrected and the expansion being reported now has also been reported by other groups as well using different techniques.”
Antarctic sea ice continues to grow, well above that 200,000 sqkm value:
![seaice.anomaly.antarctic[1]](https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/seaice-anomaly-antarctic1.png?quality=75)
Source: CryoSphere Today, Univ. of Illinois. 7/28/14
I hate it when that happens. On the plus side, once again, Joe Romm of ‘Climate progress’ looks like the chicken little for hire he truly is.
“The most important thing to know about Antarctica and ice is that a large part of the South Pole’s great sheet of land ice is close to or at a point of no return for irreversible collapse,” ThinkProgress’s Joe Romm wrote in his piece about the new study. “Only immediate action to sharply reverse CO2 emissions could stop or significantly slow that.”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/28/whats-really-happening-in-antarctica/#ixzz38nXpNqXe
Yep: sure looks near it is “at a point of no return for irreversible collapse” to me: /sarc
Southern Hemisphere Sea Ice Extent (with land ice visible):
![S_bm_extent_hires[1]](https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/s_bm_extent_hires1.png?quality=75)
Source: NSIDC 7/28/14
Once again, this Josh cartoon is relevant:
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If it is really wrong I would expect the paper to be retracted.
http://notrickszone.com/2014/07/26/so-whats-the-real-reason-south-polar-sea-ice-is-expanding-its-the-cooling-stupid/
He said collapse of land ice. The chart, and the recent discussion, has been about sea ice.
{that’s true, but Romm is the one that turned a paper about sea-ice into a land ice argument with that statement -mod}
Professor of Climate Change Chris Turney can confirm it first-hand.
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Empiri vinner över falska profeters budskap även om budskapet är framräknat via “datamodell”……
Processing error all right – they got caught in the process of hiding the truth.
/sarc
Mosher’s take? Last time he was ridiculing those that said it was more junk science. Mosher is a decent short term spinmeister.
😀
If the paper is retracted will the “Journal” refund the publishing fee to the error-lustrious authors ?
or will Emily Litella [SNL] pop up on ‘Weekend Update’ to say, “Never mind.”
Romm seems confident that no one “important” will fact check him, nor will many consider seriously what is said by those who DO check his facts. He apparently has a great deal of faith in the inefficacy of modern education, which seems to have substituted the phrase “learn to think critically” for actually teaching the process. My daughter, now well on the way to her Master’s tumbled to this in a fairly ironic fashion. We had a some loud arguments about the problem while she was in high school. she thought I was being unfair. At long last she has discovered the concept of formal logical fallacies, which should have been taught in high school and in college. It has produced a large crop of “educated” laypeople who absorb what they are told without much analysis as long as the source is authoritative or trusted. Happily, these days, I can now lean back while she rants.
This reminds me of “The Monster at the end of this Book”. Will we soon see Ian Eisenman, Walter Meier, and Joel R. Norris saying “Oh, I am so embarrassed…”? I doubt it.
Except this time there is a real monster, the ICE MONSTER at the end of this climate.
Good stuff.
A note on a slightly different angle — I imagine the study Eisenmann published in The Cryosphere would likely be counted as wholly confirming the 97% consensus in a Cook et al redux.
wow, just looking at the graphic at the end of this post, the amount of ice surrounding Antarctica, it gave me a chill.
It’s warming Jim…but not as we know it.
They had a Gilda Radner moment.
Not to worry. The “error” has already entered popular mythology, we’ll be hearing for years that there is an error in the Antarctic ice. A lie goes clear around the internet while the truth is still tying its shoes.
w.
More generally, ANY rebuttal warmists make to any embarrassing paper, no matter how feeble, will be touted thereafter as a debunking or refutation thereof.
“Scientists with NASA, who developed the disputed algorithm to calculate sea ice extent, also challenged Eisenman’s view, including the scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., who developed the algorithm that is being criticized in the study.”
They are turning on each other now. No one in climate science is safe! The end is near…[LOL]
Another “Oh The Pain” moment in climate science history……
There should be a monthly award, but so much competition out there would make it a tough call!
The othe pole looks really Wierd right now.
Willis is right. Retractions in the newspaper never get the same attention as the original error. They accomplished their goal. Gave the warmists ammunition to counter the Antarctica data for years.
Good picture of Joe. Captures him well. 😉
The Nargun are coming
Mosher take was to tell you to read the source data
And the atbd and the bootstrap paper and code
Before you comment.
That’s still my advice
REPLY: and still gibberish writing with no citations – Anthony
Could Josh update his cartoon to include SHITBIRD as one of the Romm bird options? I think Joe would enjoy that as he is known for his great sense of humor and I bet a lot of folks who serve/served would like it too. Thanks.
Well the Antarctic sea ice is probably real; seeing as how that ship of fools said they got trapped in it. But unless they get trapped again for a longer lesson; excuse me, I meant to say longer time; we won’t really know if it is increasing or not.
Just have to await a new exercise in idiocy, to find out.