Hard times for Aussie Alarmists – Flannery begs in new video

Story submitted by Eric Worrall

Tim Flannery, one time head of the government Climate Commission in Australia, until it was disbanded by the current government, has released a video begging for donations to “keep science in the news”. A year after raising a million dollars, he now needs more money.


Flannery has an impressive track record of being wrong. He repeatedly predicted Australia was now in permanent drought, shortly before Australia experienced so much rain, alarmists blamed the Aussie downpour for a drop in sea level.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/flannery_denies_what_he_actually_said/

Flannery’s predictions of permanent drought probably helped cause the squandering of billions of dollars on desalination plants.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/slippery-when-wet-tim-flannerys-climate-warnings-questioned-after-recent-flooding/story-e6freuzi-1226355256833

The following is a list of some of Flannery’s more entertaining mistakes.

https://anhonestclimatedebate.wordpress.com/tag/tim-flannery-failed-predictions/

If Flannery is short of cash, perhaps he should try getting a job, rather than holding his hat out for other people’s cash, while taking a walk along a photogenic beach. He should certainly stop pretending he has any skill at predicting the future.

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110 thoughts on “Hard times for Aussie Alarmists – Flannery begs in new video

  1. Yes, an absolutely disastrous series of predictions from this Joker. Its our loss that Labour and the Greens formed their ill conceived alliance or he would have gone much sooner.
    Unfortunately you can’t do much with a set of unused multi billion dollar desalination plants.
    Thanks Tim.

  2. “Help us keep science in the headlines.”

    Translation: “Without the daily doom delivery it’s kind of hard to frighten little children and maintain the charade that pays our salaries.”

  3. Nothing like provable facts to get in the way of alarmism. Now if we can only get the test of the world to follow Australia’s example…….

  4. If I had access to a beach like that I’m sure I could earn some cash…
    People would pay for any services in such a beautiful location.
    Lucky sod

  5. ***something else for Flannery to stress over.
    as expected, South Korea is having second thoughts about an ETS after Australia abandons the carbon tax/ETS:

    18 July: Reuters: S.Korean finmin says planned carbon market flawed, wants delay – paper
    South Korea’s finance minister has called its impending emissions trading market “flawed in many ways”, hinting that he would pressure other ministries to delay the planned 2015 launch, a local newspaper reported.
    Choi Kyung-hwan, who is also deputy prime minister, said problems had been found with the scheme, which is due to start in January, and that the government would review them before deciding whether to delay it, modify it or implement it as planned, The Korea Times reported on Friday.
    South Korea’s finance, industry and environment ministries are divided over the scheme and its potential impact on the economy, a spokesman with the country’s environment ministry said, adding that nothing had been decided thus far.
    South Korea’s carbon market has come under fire from businesses, who want its start delayed until 2020. Industry groups earlier this week warned that it could cost firms a total of 27.5 trillion to 29.6 trillion Korean won ($26.7-$28.9 billion) over the next three years…
    ***Choi’s comments come a day after Australia’s parliament voted to repeal its carbon tax, which would have evolved into an emissions trading market next July…

    http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL6N0PT3CZ20140718

  6. “Predictions are hard, especially about the future.”, Yogi Berra, American philosopher

  7. Once again the leech like Flim Flam Flannery proves that he is utterly incapable of earning his own living and like a leech, is totally dependent on the continuing flow of OPM. [ Other People's Money ] to support him in his salubrious grand standing life style. An expensive life style that far exceeds that of the average Australian’s whose money he now demands and expects to continue to be forth coming to support him and his inane and ideologically bankrupt climate catastrophe beliefs.

  8. If he needs cash then he should sell his waterfront property. Thats right, the man who predicted around 20 feet of sea level rise decided to buy a very plush home right on the sea front. As they say, actions speak louder than words……

  9. tango says: July 18, 2014 at 4:37 pm
    I am going to set up a lemonade stall outside my house and the lenonade will be free
    – – –
    I’d like to learn more about this free lenonade . Is it the Beatle version or the Stalinist version? And boy was it difficult to stop my word processor from correcting the spelling so I could make this lousy joke.

  10. Do you wanna buy the beach? But wait – there’s more. We’ll chuck in a very serviceable used bridge with it.

  11. This is gold.

    Topher should do a follow up video with him walking along a beautiful beach ticking off all the failures of Flannery and Sons – ending with a plea not to fund them and fund him instead!

  12. Delingpole on Flannery and the scrapping of the Climate Commission.

    As Jo Nova notes, while it may be a good day for the Australian taxpayer, it is far too late now to recoup the billions which have already been wasted on the “expert” advice of Flannery and his alarmist chums David Karoly and Will Steffen.

    This agency propped up billions of dollars in pointless futile government spending trying to change the weather. Nothing will bring back money spent on desal plants that were mothballed when the floods came that real scientists predicted. Likewise the money burned on solar panels and windfarms is gone for good too, and still going.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100236795/australia-shows-us-all-the-way-by-sacking-its-useless-pointless-climate-commissioner-tim-flannery/

  13. Notice Flannery’s long sleeves pulled up? Its absolutely freezing East Coast Australia at the moment, alternating between heavy rain, snow (in the highlands), and freezing cold but sunny winter high pressure systems, but at the last moment someone in Flannery’s crew must have realised – it wouldn’t do to produce a global warming promotion video, while looking heavily rugged up against the cold :-)

  14. Give me your money. Fallen on hard times since he was chopped off the left money tree!

  15. He should certainly stop pretending he has any integrity.
    There needs to be about 10,000 more former academics and bureaucrats who are now beggars.

  16. pat says:
    July 18, 2014 at 4:15 pm
    ***something else for Flannery to stress over.
    as expected, South Korea is having second thoughts about an ETS after Australia abandons the carbon tax/ETS:

    ____

    Good stuff, Pat. While the number of climate scientists sometimes seems to approach infinity, there are only about 200 nations. With several of them rejecting the warming hysteria, the consensus among nations looks to be going below 97%.

  17. Don’t forget the investment in Flim flam’s geothermal crock.
    Another $95MIL ! down the drain.
    Only taxpayer money though….

  18. The oft repeated claim of “97% of scientists agree on man made global warming” deserves closer inspection. Google the claim and be amazed at the full story. Hint, the total number were in fact 77. Pete.
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  19. This fraudster is the same con man who was “elected” Australian of the year.
    An award that is “bestowed” upon them by a goverment funded left committe.
    The public does not get to vote.
    The public makes nominations and the committee selects. No voting.
    This same fraudster who after accepting the award from prime minister John Howard.
    Proceeded to shit can Mr Howard about his funding or lack of to fight global warming.
    This same fraudsters “hot rocks” company has pocketed millions from taxpayers in trying to produce electricity from a geo thermal site in South Australia.
    To date without any return to investors or taxpayers and the companys share price all but bust.
    This same fraudster, who if stood on the “gallows” of public opinion in Australia.
    Would cause riots over who would get to flip the trap door.
    Make no mistake, Flannery is a fraudster right up there with Gore and co.
    And should be treated with the same contempt and mistrust.
    Both having been shown to be blatant liars in the persuit of personal profit.

  20. Flannery was on the Board of Siemens (manufacturer of the Desal plants that were built all over Australia – that are now mothballed) when he was predicting endless droughts!!!

  21. “Climate Commissioner Tim Flannery expands on his wild new theory of the “growth of a super-organism” – a world in which we have “global community with a common set of beliefs” so that we are “a regulating intelligence for the planet”, leading “to a stronger Gaia”.

    This, he explains, will have us living in “a super-organism”, living more interdependent lives with less “individual competence” – like ants, he says.

    At times Flannery’s vision sounds dangerously like a totalitarian, even fascist one, in which the individual is subordinated to the ideology, the collective, the fatherland. In which a human is no more than an ant.

    This is a man the Gillard Government has paid $170,000 to teach us to follow its global warming faith.”

  22. I want to send him a bill for about a $2m. That’s what his ill considered policies pronouncements cost me in the downturn in property prices of the waterfront rental properties that I had purchased decades ago to fund my retirement. As a result of his idiocy and the stupidity of the NSW and Federal government policies regarding rising sea levels the prices of those properties went sour just after I reached 65 and wanted to sell them to invest in higher returning investments to provide an income in my (what has had to become) semi-retirement.

  23. We deny climate? No, we deny massive water vapor amplification of the old school textbook proper greenhouse effect. But that’s twenty syllables instead of just two. How about we just deny FRAUD, a single syllable?

    A single picture will speak our thousand words, thanks to Willis:

  24. Several years ago I had a casual conversation with somebody who went to school with Flim Flannery. Apparently Flim is innumerate. Not a good choice of a spokesman, salesman actually, for a highly scientific matter. I also note that all the “climate scientist” seem to have drifted into this “science” from areas such as geography.

  25. “This is a man the Gillard Government has paid $170,000″(a year)
    For three days “work” for want of a better word, a week.
    And lets not get into the costs to the taxpayersof Gillards climate commission.
    Which was rhe first thing the coalition shut down.
    He was specifically hired by Gillard who need a high profile figure to sell her CO/2 tax.
    A former “Australian of the year” and global warmist fitted Gillards criteria perfectly.
    The rightful criticisms that this global warming fraudster attracts are never ending.

  26. ROM says:
    July 18, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    Once again the leech like Flim Flam Flannery proves that he is utterly incapable of earning his own living and like a leech, is totally dependent on the continuing flow of OPM. [ Other People's Money ]
    =========================================================================
    Hi ROM,

    can you recall what you posted on Nova’s Site?

    Here it is :

    ROM
    July 18, 2014 at 11:19 am · Reply

    We are on the pension, something we never wanted to be on as it is a burden for others who have to support us through their taxes,………………………

    ===========================================================================

    You condemn Flannery for asking for donations but are quite happy for the taxpayer to fund your lifestyle.

    Hypocrite.

  27. Eric Worrall says:
    “Pat, write the S Korea news as a “submit story” – very interesting” re the south korea ETS, but i’m no good at that, Eric. however, here is an update:

    18 July: Korea Times: Park Si-soo: Gov’t may delay carbon trading plan
    The government is expected to delay implementing a controversial carbon emissions trading program after the new finance minister called the plan “flawed.”
    Major manufacturing companies have protested against the program and demanded the government delay it.
    “I think the existing plan is likely to be modified to delay its implementation or to reduce financial burden on companies,” Park Ryun-min, an environment ministry official familiar with the case, told The Korea Times on Friday.
    “We will soon start talking with two other ministries involved in the case ㅡ the Ministry of Trade, Industry and Energy and the Ministry of Strategy and Finance ㅡ to tackle the issue.”…
    During his visit to a conventional market on Thursday morning, Choi said, “If it’s found to have problems during preparation, we should revise related regulations to address them,” he said.
    ***Many problems had been found, although the program was set to take effect from January, he said.
    “We will review the problems and then decide whether to implement it as scheduled,” he said…

    http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2014/07/123_161284.html

  28. Yes Paul Evans of 6.34 pm, if Flannery’s clip wasn’t the height of impertinence and waste it would qualify as a contender for the World’s Funniest Videos.

    So do not ask the hundreds of thousands of Australian residents that still pay rates for defunct desalination plants.

    On the 16 Jun 2007 Flannery proclaimed:

    “Desalination plants can provide insurance against drought. In Adelaide, Sydney and Brisbane, water supplies are so low they need desalinated water urgently, possibly in as little as 18 months. Of course, these plants should be supplied by zero-carbon power sources.”

    Did Flannery provide more detailed advice to the Labor State Governments that were running the states at the time on how to deal with his predicted perennial droughts? Don’t know – but we do know how the governments re-acted.

    In 2010 a desalination plant was constructed at Kurnell south of Sydney at a cost of $2 billion. In Jun 2012 when the Warragamba dam was full again the plant was shut down and has been in moth balls, or the more promotable “water security” mode, ever since.

    However to keep it in this mode costs half a million a day and even though the present state government was politically astute enough to sell off the white elephant to private enterprise, it is the residents who are liable for paying for its upkeep for the next 50 years.

    But wait there is more. If you ever drive from Sydney to Canberra, as you approach the capital you will pass the hideous Bungendore wind farm that was built ostensibly to power the Kurnell desalination plant. If the plant is in moth balls where does the power goes to from the Bungendore windmills (when they are working)?

    Surely Canberra has all the power it needs from the Snowy Mountains Hydro Authority?

    Of course we also have the same story in Queensland with the Tugun plant on the Gold Coast. This was completed in 2009 after numerous technical delays for a cost of $1.2 billion and put into standby mode in December 2010. But that too continues to drain a million dollars a week for feed and board.

    Same same for the South Australian and Victorian plants. Love this description from Wiki on the Victorian Wonthaggi plant:

    “On completion the plant was immediately placed into standby mode as the reservoirs in Melbourne were over 80% full. However a $1.8 million per day fee is payable to the construction consortium. This minimum fee is payable for a total of 27 years after completion. Even if no water is required the total payment is between $18 and $19 billion. Nonetheless, with the ever present climate change effects witnessed along recent years, some argue the project, as a preventive measure, was a complete success”!!!!!

    No doubt that is a Flannery benchmark.

  29. way down in google results:

    18 July: Heartland Blog: Jim Lakely: Heartland Institute Experts React to Australia’s Carbon Tax Repeal
    “The decision by Australia to repeal its carbon tax is further evidence that the global warming movement is now in global retreat. Australian voters realized the tax, which cost the average household more than $500 a year, had zero impact on the climate while it destroyed jobs and punished the poor and people on fixed incomes. Elected officials took longer to realize their mistake, but the right decision was finally made.
    “The odds of a new international treaty with binding provisions being adopted at the next United Nations meeting in Paris in 2015, already poor, have dropped even further. People all over the world are seeing through the hype and exaggeration of politicians and environmental activists. They understand that there simply is no climate crisis, and they no longer are willing to passively accept the taxes, regulations, and subsidies passed at the height of global warming alarmism…
    Australia has shown the way. Are they paying attention?”
    Joseph Bast, President
    “Money wasted imposing expensive energy restrictions could be better spent on education, housing, health care, nutrition, real environmental challenges, or simply allowing people to keep more of their earnings. Australia has seen the light and I expect more nations will soon follow suit.”
    James M. Taylor
    Senior Fellow for Environmental Policy

    http://blog.heartland.org/2014/07/heartland-institute-experts-react-to-australias-carbon-tax-repeal/

    thank you Heartland, for all your hard work over the years. your efforts are much appeciated.

  30. Flannery not only has a house a water level on the tidal Hawkesbury River, but also bought the house next door.
    The desalination plant at Tugun has never pumped a drop of water. In fact the salt rusted the outlet pipes. Labor made a huge song and dance about global warming and the high priest Flannery. So they built a pipeline from Wivenhoe Dam to Toowoomba to guarantee water supply but apparently the pipe diameter is too small, so the friction head is too large to let water actually flow..
    Then of course there is the Wivenhoe Dam releases that flooded Brisbane and Ipswich. Because of the Global Warming scaremongering, they refused to follow the manual properly and only released water when the dam was in imminent danger of failing. At least that is what is alleged in a mammoth civil action being held in the next state because Labor changed the rules that they could not be held responsible.

    Then Flannery travelled Australia as part of the Climate Change Committee speaking to people. Only trouble was, he refused to take sceptic questions or even a simple correction question. The only people allowed to speak were warmists. So Flannery then said over 90% of people supported his failed predictions.

  31. Unbelievable…he wants money to “DISCREDIT” ‘deniers’. Can he possibly recognise the irony?

  32. Shudder…Mention of Flannery brings back memories of the loony Kevin Rudd / Julia Gillard era.

  33. I await the day Mikey Mann has to join Flannery begging for money because the climate scam has played out.

  34. SM Says

    On getting a pension- ‘hypocrite’.
    There is no hypocrisy in growing old.
    There is no hypocrisy in being poor.
    There is no hypocrisy in qualifying for a pension.
    Tim Flannery is not yet 60 and does not qualify for a pension. Whether he will do as a result of his holdings, apart from the family home, is not something of which I am aware.

    On drought in Queensland-
    And only 3 years after most of Queensland was flooded. A quick turnaround on global warming causing floods. Or merely what has happened for eons.

    This is well worth a read-

    http://australia.gov.au/about-australia/australian-story/natural-disasters

    From an Aussie old age pensioner.

    It seems we do live in interesting times.

  35. SM says

    Drought extent- according to ABC greatest on record 80%.

    ‘1864−66 (and 1868). The little data available indicates that this drought period was rather severe in Victoria, South Australia, New South Wales, Queensland and Western Australia.
    1877 All States affected by severe drought, with disastrous losses in Queensland. In Western Australia many native trees died, swamps dried up and crops failed.’

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drought_in_Australia

    However due to lack of records and low population count at that time, we cannot be certain that those droughts were more or less severe in coverage. It is simply not recorded.

  36. Jack, believe or not, my ex and I were interested in this house to buy, decades ago. I was indeed on the banks of the Hawkesbury river. One problem at the time, maybe different now, only access was by boat! $40,000. There was a way in via bush roads, gravel only and many klms from the highway. It was surrounded by thick bush that was suss to bush fires. It wouldn’t be a family home we thought, and no mansion either. Possibly a good fishing lodge if you had a boat to start with. But not swimming! Noah’s arks frequent the river, like Bull sharks. They can live in salt and fresh water. Good place to hide in against the media attention. As it is tidal, the water would drop away one day? LOL

  37. Flannery once attended a dig organized by the UNE. Before my time there. One of his papers regarding elephants dieing from water shortages was an example of what happened to the mega fauna once. The elephants didn’t die from lack of water but they wouldn’t travel from waterhole to waterhole, and ate themselves out and starved. Then he changed his mind some years later that Aborigines had a hand in it. This theory was trashed last year, humans in Australia had not killed off the mega-fauna. The ones that died were browsers, not grazers. And only one skeleton was found with a tiny spear head in it. Not sufficient to kill any large creature. It was when the glacial period ended and no doubt surface water started to evaporate. But most skeletal evidence was found around dried out water holes.
    A bit of gossip, no better not, he was only young then anyway.

  38. If Flannery is short of cash, perhaps he should try getting a job, rather than holding his hat out for other people’s cash, while taking a walk along a photogenic beach. He should certainly stop pretending he has any skill at predicting the future.

    If he is so committed to the Cause, he can sell his waterfront home in Sydney … it’s going to be underwater soon anyway according to his tripe on rising sea levels.

  39. Flim Flannery has a long record of imbecilic thinking. When the poor Lindy Chamerlain was accused of murdering her baby Azaria at Ayers Rock/Uluru when in fact a dingo took the infant from the family tent, the Flannery concluded she must have done it because otherwise it would be really bad for dingoes. Think about it. Say it with a rising inflection to get the full imbecility of it. And this guy is a professor FFS! No need for the Peter Principle any more, Flannery is the new bench mark for promotion to a level beyond ones competence, in his case way, way, way beyond such that competence is a tiny speck on the horizon.

  40. Hi SM,
    It might come as a shock to you, but after Flannery said, “We’re seeing it now, in the evidence before our eyes in our rivers and creeks, and of course the computer models in the global models have been predicting just this now for some years. I think all evidence says that this is our new climate and we have to get by with less water than we’ve ever had before,” QLD, NSW and Victoria were subject to “extreme weather” flooding, the result of carbon dioxide lifting its forcing foot off the warming accelerator and slamming it onto the hydrological accelerator, apparently. Magical stuff, all predicted by your infallible prophets.
    “Less water than we’ve ever had before”

  41. Why didn’t ask ‘Al ‘end of days and failed US Presidential candidate’ for some of his billion dollar coin when he was here a few weeks back ?

    He probably did but the religious zealots and the great ‘predictor’ the Mammalogist know that the [pardon the pun] ‘tide’ of public opinion has turned on this issue.

    That ‘will’ happen when you run around making endless predictions, that end up being seen as fact as blatantly false [hell this clown even bought a beach front home at the same time he's alarming Australian's sea levels are rapidly rising].

    I wonder if the great predictor still has the Prius ? Next he’ll be requesting cars that are ‘green’.

    No Timmy……taxpayer moula for you are no more. More front than MYERs this bloke. He squeezed millions out of the Australian taxpayer and for what ? What were his actual ‘outcomes’ that are credible and peer reviewable ?

    And again we hear the word “denier” from this clown in describing anyone that holds a contrary view on man made climate change. The sheer gall of Flannery. Without government money he seems so lost, so desperate.

    Yes, he definately should have squeezed big Al when he had the chance. I mean what’s a few million dollars to Al ? The clown’s a billionaire.

  42. Khwarizmi says:
    July 18, 2014 at 10:18 pm

    Hi K, thanks for your contribution.

    As for Melbourne, where I have lived all my life, water storages currently are at approx. 75% capacity, nowhere near full despite all that rain. If you check back through the records you will see that the closest we have been to full was in 1996 when storages were at approx. 97% of capacity. During the 1990’s daily per capita water consumption was around 460lt: it is currently around 240lt pppd. Just imagine where we’d be if we had continued consuming water as we did in the 1990’s. Inflows to our storages are also well down on long term levels.

    You would also know Perth is heavily reliant on not one but two Desal Plants.

    Cheers

  43. Flannery also said this and wasn’t that long after that Brisbane went under.
    “Although we’re getting say a 20 per cent decrease in rainfall in some areas of Australia, that’s translating to a 60 per cent decrease in the run-off into the dams and rivers. That’s because the soil is warmer because of global warming and the plants are under more stress and therefore using more moisture. So even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and our river systems, and that’s a real worry for the people in the bush.”
    Yes Flannery is a fraudster that trades in ifs, buts and maybes.
    Just another crystal ball gazer.

    http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2006/s1844398.htm

  44. A loser of biblical proportions is this knob.

    We are paying taxes to support this imbecile.

    And he has good company, all these alarmists drive around in SUVs whilst frothing at the mouth about how we are living in a world of dangerous climate change. The fact they produce not one iota of data to support the theory is irrelevant.

    The only thing dangerous is there are too many like Flim Flam around, who are never held to account.

  45. Come on fellas. It’s not cheap to do a “Love In” in somewhere like St. Moritz. Remember you need to be there a week before the 4 day conference and another week after. That way you can get around to some of those beaut bars and restaurants and do a little sightseeing. Combine the “Love In” with a “Study Tour”. So pitch in for Tim’s next holiday, oops I mean conference.

  46. “Flannery has an impressive track record of being wrong”

    Isn’t this true of most climate scientists!.

  47. Like all habitual liars, he will lie to the bitter end and beyond. He has heard so many of his own lies that he has brainwashed himself in to believing them. Do note that in “Weathermakers” he states that he believes in Gaia – Mother Goddess Earth as a single organism. With such a tainted viewpoint of the ultra Green variety, everything he says must be viewed as tainted. As for the book, it is totally unscientific. It rambles on about some creature being unable to handle climate change and then just jumps to the conclusion that man-made CO2 causes global warming without any supporting steps or hard evidence. The bibliography is very small indeed and some are newspaper articles-hardly a scientific source. It is high time people see Mr Flannery as just another habitual liar. .

  48. When it comes to global warming fraudsters, Flannery just keeps on giving.
    How’s that saying go, “birds of a feather stick together?”
    If you want more just google Turney of the ship of fools infamy and Flannery together.
    Flannery reckons he’s out of it but he still owns over a hundred thousand shares in captain tools global warming charcoal laundering enterprise.
    “Turney is also a director of a new company called Carbonscape, which set up a microwave-powered kiln in Blenheim, in New Zealand’s South Island, in October last year and has begun producing biochar commercially. Scientist and global warming activist Tim Flannery has just joined the board.”

  49. Hi SM,
    thanks for conceding that your deranged climate priest got his prophesy wrong; that it did in fact rain, and it did so in buckets. Glad you didn’t try to set some weird new goalposts based on the very comfortable water levels in a system that includes 1 dam–the Thompson–designed by foresighted people (with no interest in atmospheric voodoo) to protect Melbourne in the very likely event of a drought lasting up to TEN YEARS. And it worked.
    As you point out, after only 3 years, the system is already at 75% capacity, and we don’t have hose bans anymore, like we did in, ummm, 1939: http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/page/596137?zoomLevel=1
    Our hottest day is was in 1851, btw, and our priestsare now freaking out over the prospect of imminent cooling: https://theconversation.com/what-climate-tipping-points-should-we-be-looking-out-for-27108 Yes, they are.
    The cooling will be caused by your internet carbon footprint, of course, RM – and some jetsetting by our very own crazy cartoonist/cook, John Cook. Thanks for playing.

  50. Isn’t this sort of money collection illegal in Aus. It is, after all, a scam. He is a con artist isn’t he? So it must be illegal, right?

  51. Summary: “Think of the children!”
    I believe Lord Monckton would call this argumentum ad misericordiam.

  52. he should be in jail for the squandering of tax payers money .the comments on that video are pure gold . good to see a change for the better in the last few years,people all over the world are waking up to the scam.

  53. Looks like my response to Lee went missing. One more try.

    Lee,
    Flannery has asked for donations to help fund the service he provides. Offering a donation is optional, and is not a burden on the taxpayer: the donations are not even tax deductible. If ROM’s opinion is that Flannery is a leech then what of organisations like the Salvation Army, who rely heavily on tax deductible donations.

    To me, accusing people of being leeches by asking for voluntary donations while your hand is deep in the taxpayers pocket reeks of hypocrisy.

    I point out most of Queensland was not flooded in 2011 and 2013, the flooding was restricted to coastal areas with very little if any rain reaching west of the divide. Look at the map attached to the article; almost all areas west of the divide are drought declared and even some coastal areas.

    As for the “record 80%” it is not the ABC making that claim, it is in fact the Queensland Agriculture Minister.

  54. pat, why is it that everyone else has to use Tips and Notes, but your thought bubble reproductions of random articles (which can be longer than the head post) are worthy of insertion anywhere and everywhere? Are you somehow special?

    Please stop disrupting threads with your “insights”, of the kind that would make you the dinner party guest from hell.

  55. Khwarizmi says:
    July 19, 2014 at 12:46 am

    “Hi SM,
    thanks for conceding that your deranged climate priest got his prophesy wrong; that it did in fact rain, and it did so in buckets.”

    And so it did K but as you seemed to have missed, 75% capacity is not full. In fact our storages have been nowhere near full for 15 years, despite per capita consumption being halved.
    ======================================================================
    In your earlier post you quoted Flannery:

    “I think all evidence says that this is our new climate and we have to get by with less water than we’ve ever had before,”

    You must have missed the part where I stated water consumption has dropped from 460lt pppd to 240lt pppd. You supplied the quote, I supplied the facts.
    =======================================================================

    “Glad you didn’t try to set some weird new goalposts based on the very comfortable water levels in a system that includes 1 dam–the Thompson–designed by foresighted people (with no interest in atmospheric voodoo) to protect Melbourne in the very likely event of a drought lasting up to TEN YEARS. And it worked.”

    Yes I know: I spent 10 years working with those foresighted people in the MMBW. And yes, it did work: just – the Thompson bottomed out at 16% of capacity but the halving of per capita consumption saved it from completely emptying. Even now with all those bucket loads of rain as you say, it’s still only at 78% of capacity.
    =============================================================================

    “As you point out, after only 3 years, the system is already at 75% capacity”

    Given your statement “that it did in fact rain, and it did so in buckets” one would have thought we would be at 100% capacity by now.
    =========================================================================

    The rest of your post, like much the first part is basically incoherent.

  56. I used to think that Wan King was the capital of China until I heard Tim Flannery speak!

  57. SM thank you for your reply. I live in WA and am aware of the desal plants. I am also aware that the catchment areas are also being overgrown, so that runoff doesn’t flow as well into the dams. That would seem to be too much like common sense. Reduced runoff to dams, a climbing population as well as less rain all conspire to make the desal plants necessary.

    WRT Queensland I must admit I was relying on SMH and wiki, which said flooding the size of France and Germany – 904681 sq km. Not the 80% in the article from ABC. Queensland area 1.731 million sq km – would mean 52% of Queensland was flooded.

  58. SM
    Hi Eric,
    It may come as a bit of a shock, but most of Queensland, the State where you live, is drought declared.

    Gee, a drought in Australia, must be due to our unnatural fiddling with nature.

    johanna
    pat, why is it that everyone else has to use Tips and Notes, but your thought bubble reproductions of random articles (which can be longer than the head post) are worthy of insertion anywhere and everywhere? Are you somehow special?
    Please stop disrupting threads with your “insights”, of the kind that would make you the dinner party guest from hell.

    One of Pat’s thought bubbles is now a WUWT story, so Anthony found at least one of Pat’s thoughts as interesting as I did.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/07/18/another-carbon-tax-domino-falls-south-korea-goes-cold-on-ets/

    Pat I hope you have a go at writing a submit story. Its a great feeling seeing your name on the author line, of a blog like WUWT.

  59. SM says:
    July 18, 2014 at 7:03 pm
    ROM says:
    July 18, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    Once again the leech like Flim Flam Flannery proves that he is utterly incapable of earning his own living and like a leech, is totally dependent on the continuing flow of OPM. [ Other People's Money ]
    =========================================================================
    Hi ROM,

    can you recall what you posted on Nova’s Site?

    Here it is :

    ROM
    July 18, 2014 at 11:19 am · Reply

    We are on the pension, something we never wanted to be on as it is a burden for others who have to support us through their taxes,………………………
    ______________________

    Well SM your own true green and colours are really showing and I would suggest that you are the archetypal and devious cherry picker of quotes as are many of your ilk.

    Perhaps a little honesty on your part might have gone a long way so to complete my quote from JoNova’s blog;
    **********
    “My wife and I are 76 years old so I assume that passes as being one of the older generation.

    We are on the pension, something we never wanted to be on as it is a burden for others who have to support us through their taxes, taxes which I might add I also have paid the odd few millions [ or ] so through the income earning parts of my [ 60 years of ] farming life.”
    ******************
    We were over 70 years old before we took up the pension and then the only reason we did so was because the very dry decade with a couple of total crop failures including a million dollar loss of a crop only three to four weeks from harvest when we had 4 consecutive days of over 40 degrees right when that Lentil crop was flowering which along with the extremely dry decade from about 1998 to about 2008 about crippled our’s and my son’s economic ability to continue farming.

    Unlike Flannery we coped for ourselves through all those 70 plus years of my life without any handouts of more than a few dollars from the tax payers and governments through all that time. Had circumstance been different we still would NOT be, unlike Flannery, taking tax payers money, money that allows us to at least continue living very modestly and carefully.

    I trust of course SM that you NEVER EVER revert to any vestiges of hypocrisy yourself of course
    that would give anybody any reason to suggest that you are both a cherry picking and devious individual or that you are a hypocrite yourself.

  60. Hi ROM,

    Me….. a “cherry picker” …Where would I learn that from? Worrall’s whole post is based on cherry picked quotes. Read Flannery’s statements in full and you’ll see what I mean.

    Life on the land can be tough, but the banks did me over for $400,000 so you’re not the only one to find it difficult.

    Also, Flannery is requesting donations from the general public, not the government and those donations are not tax deductible. He is not using taxpayers money.

    There is nothing hypocritical about me. That’s where we’re we differ.

    Spend my taxes wisely, old son.

  61. Eric Worrall says:
    July 19, 2014 at 3:04 am
    SM
    Hi Eric,
    It may come as a bit of a shock, but most of Queensland, the State where you live, is drought declared.
    Gee, a drought in Australia, must be due to our unnatural fiddling with nature.
    ========================================================================
    You must have forgotten your own words Eric.

    “He repeatedly predicted Australia was now in permanent drought, shortly before Australia experienced so much rain,”

    If there was so much rain why is much of Australia still in drought??

  62. In my student days they took us, on a bus, for some reason or another, to see the Thompson River Dam under construction. I opined then that this dam would never fill. I may have been wrong (and then again, I may not have been). If the Thompson River Dam is 75% full Melbourne has a lot of water in store.

    Poor fella Melbourne, with the desalination plant bills coming in forever, whatever happens.

  63. lee says:
    July 19, 2014 at 2:52 am
    SM thank you for your reply. I live in WA and am aware of the desal plants. I am also aware that the catchment areas are also being overgrown, so that runoff doesn’t flow as well into the dams.
    ========================================================================
    Lee,
    Catchment areas need to be vegetated, large trees preferably. Runoff over bare ground will eventually cause the dams to silt up. This why all catchments are closed to public access and logging except where politicians get a nice kick in the back pocket from logging companies.

    Some drought affected areas did receive rain, but 500mm in a day is useless if there is no rain for another 12 months.

  64. I have to admit, that Flannery video really made me think. I will gladly forward to the good doctor my next (err… first) check from BigOil (TM) just as soon as it arrives.

  65. Eric Worrall says:
    July 18, 2014 at 5:08 pm

    That explains why there’s nobody having a barbie on the beach, I’ve always thought that Aussies had barbies all day every day.

  66. , ‘perhaps he should try getting a job,’
    He has several.
    Recently he was giving a partially entertaining tour of China on ABC.
    He still, to my knowledge works as an academic in his own field.
    He was chosen by the then Labor Government because he is an attractive communicator and deeply committed.
    As such I hold him with respect.
    Just as I see him to be misguided.
    If Skeptics had a couple of Prof Flannerys on side we would not have any media problems.

  67. Lewis P Buckingham says:

    If Skeptics had a couple of Prof Flannerys on side we would not have any media problems.

    True. There are plenty of qualified skeptics, and what’s more, they have the facts on their side. Flannery doesn’t.

    What they don’t have is the easy media access tha Flannery has. So the public gets bombarded with alarmist propaganda.

    How do skeptics get the same kind of media access that Flannery gets?

    • dbstealey says: July 19, 2014 at 2:51 pm
      “How do skeptics get the same kind of media access that Flannery gets?”

      They don’t/can’t and therein lies the major problem with combating the CAGW meme…..media control. As long as the Environmentalists/Greens/Liberals control the media the message will remain the same.

  68. Flannery’s first degree level qualification was English literature. He is also has no qualifications in atmospheric physics.

  69. “Josh Payne says
    Summary: “Think of the children!”

    I am thinking of the children, I; thinking of the children in Africa RIGHT NOW that are destined to a shortened life of poverty and misery because the eco-freaks and population-control ghouls will not allow them to have cheap, abundant energy.

  70. Interesting that Flim Flam the fraud says there is a lot of misinformation out there.

    I thought showing no warming through the datasets for an average of 14 years was factual.

    But what would i know.

  71. Leigh says:
    July 18, 2014 at 6:33 pm
    “… Make no mistake, Flannery is a fraudster right up there with Gore and co. …”

    Dear Leigh,

    If Al Gore and Clive Palmer were to hold a press conference and break into an impromptu gala performance of “Toad of Toad Hall, the Musical”, who would play Toad? I’ve been pondering this off and on for several weeks now and must admit to being quite stumped by it. Moreover, would they give Flim Flammery a bit-part or just pass him over for someone with some actual talent and rapport with the audience?

    But my secret anxiety is what could occur if on opening-night the main protagonists had a wee falling-out regarding underlying resentment over who had the biggest and snazziest private jet?

    I’m tipping Clive will win that at three to one, but I’m not entirely confident as Gore’s well-connected and is known to be a dedicated hyper-greenie saviour-of-dah-world and builder of zah Internetery, so he may have an ego-equivalent gas-guzzler like a secondhand Concorde or something up his sleave. Wouldn’t surprise me at all.

    Which would lay-waste to Clive’s much more modest Bombardier BD-700 Global Express jet, Air Farce 1:

    A big seat for dah big boss:

    But Clive also retains a gas-guzzling Cessna Citation-X which he keeps squirreled away in the corner of a cavernous hanger, for when the inner-toad must hit the road and run amok scaring the town-folk ‘n stuff:

    Fastest civil jet in production, and it comes with a snooze button, for those days in Parliament Question Time that really wear on a toad:

    Anyway, that’s one media conference I think it’s safe to say we’d all watch a re-run of.

  72. I think you will find that Flim used to lecture on palaeo subjects, like fossil finds. Anyway he looks a fool, and no big business will back him. Who would, if he has already gone through one million in less than a year?

  73. Sm, it is as you say. However we need to be careful that we don’t prevent runoff by allowing too much plant life. It needs to be kept in check and not allowed to run riot.

  74. I can’t donate to Flannery’s appeal. I did my bit for him with my taxpayer contributions to his Hot Rocks and Desalinisation debacles.

    Cheers, (another Tim.)

  75. How the Melbourne water system was depleted slowly during a long drought, and replenished rapidly, contradicting the false picture painted by SM with his empty words:

    http://www.baywx.com.au/accumall.html

    ===============
    On 31 July 1984, the newly-built Thomson Dam was officially included in Melbourne’s total water storages, more than doubling storage capacity. Still virtually empty when factored in, Thomson’s size dragged down the city’s storage levels from 65% to 26% overnight.
    With a capacity almost four times that of Melbourne’s next biggest reservoir, the Thomson was designed as a drought reserve – to be built up in wet years and used in dry years. It has been full three times: 1992, 1993 and 1996.

    http://www.melbournewater.com.au/aboutus/historyandheritage/History-of-our-water-supply-system/Pages/History-of-the-Thomson-Dam.aspx

    ===========
    It took 8 years to fill the new dam from empty to 100%. It took just 3 years, from 2010-2013, to increase the volume in the entire system from ~18% of capacity to ~75%. That’s 57% of the total volume of the system replenished in just three years, faster than the initial inflow rate.

    DROUGHT will become a redundant term as Australia plans for a permanently drier future, according to the nation’s urban water industries chief…. “The urban water industry has decided the inflows of the past will never return,” Water Services Association of Australia executive director Ross Young said. “We are trying to avoid the term ‘drought’ and saying this is the new reality.”
    (The Age, Melbourne, 2007)

    “Drought is too comfortable a word,” said John Williams, the New South Wales state Commissioner for Natural Resources. “Drought connotes a return to normal. We need to be adjusting.” (Cosmos Magazine, 2007)

    Andi Hazelwood: Should Australia be preparing for permanent drought conditions?
    Dr. Tim Flannery: Well, it’s the new climate. We will have to get by with less water. The CSIRO’s telling us that. We’re seeing it now, in the evidence before our eyes in our rivers and creeks, and of course the computer models in the global models have been predicting just this now for some years. I think all evidence says that this is our new climate and we have to get by with less water than we’ve ever had before. – Flannery, 2007

    http://old.globalpublicmedia.com/transcripts/2833

  76. It is ironical that the cliffs behind him show relicts of past sea levels very much higher than they are today. Wave cut platforms and raised beaches can be identified along this part of the coastline.

  77. Flummery is just a great wanker! Geez but he’s wrong on every count.
    It isn’t denialism to call him out, it is common sense!

  78. Flannery stated that he wanted to give his ‘Australian of the Year award’ back, after a conservative prime minister stated the view that one shouldn’t wreck the economy for climate change.

  79. SM & Lee are you referring to farm dams or the big ones that supply water to urban areas? Because most large dams and catchment areas are usually on non agricultural land. Anyway it is a thought I had never considered before. Remember folks plants give us oxygen as well.

  80. thinkadonga, (great name?) Well, why doesn’t he give back some of his income too. Talk about spitting the dummy to get sympathy! My it will start a rebellion with Gore and the IPCC giving back the Noble prizes. Such a shame, ah (sarc). What goes around comes around.

  81. Tim Flannery can be best described as a “snake-oil salesman flogging a catastrophic man-made global warming potion”.

    Has anyone read Flannery’s book, “The Weather Makers”?

    If one bothers reading it, one should then immediately read Dr DW Allen’s book, “The Weather Makers Re-examined”, which examines in detail the contents of Flannery’s book and exposes all Flannery’s errors, misstatements and misleading claims. Allen effectively renders Flannery’s book obsolete.

    It reminds me of Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth”, which was trumped by Martin Durkin’s “The Great Global Warming Swindle”.

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