Proof positive politicians can’t do simple math.
From the LA Times today:
Brown’s remarks came a day after the release of two studies finding that a slow-motion and irreversible collapse of a massive cluster of glaciers in Antarctica has begun and could cause sea levels to rise worldwide by four feet within 200 years.
“If that happens, the Los Angeles airport’s going to be underwater,” Brown told reporters at a presentation of his revised state budget proposal in Los Angeles. “So is the San Francisco airport.”
Source: http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-brown-sea-level-airports-20140513-story.html
Ok let’s do the math, first a look at the sea level rate from the Los Angeles tide gauge operated by NOAA:
Source: http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?stnid=9410660
Assuming nothing changes in the rate of sea level rise, and the airport would still exist there in the future, here is the math.
LAX airport elevation is 125 feet ( Source: http://www.airnav.com/airport/KLAX )
125 feet = 38100mm
At the rate of 0.83mm/yr sea level rise seen at Los Angeles (from NOAA graph above) it would take 45903.6 years to reach 125 feet, we’d be in a new ice age by then and sea levels would be falling…never gonna happen.
So, at current rates, Brown’s claim is bogus.
But he’s saying it will be due to Antarctic’s western ice sheet melting.
OK, the claims is from news coverage of two papers, “Marine Ice Sheet Collapse Potentially Under Way for the Thwaites Glacier Basin, West Antarctica“. This study is available here:
http://sciences.blogs.liberation.fr/files/glacier-thwaites.pdf
NASA says of the paper “Sustained increase in ice discharge from the Amundsen Sea Embayment, West Antarctica, from 1973 to 2013“. This study is available here:
http://www.ess.uci.edu/researchgrp/erignot/files/grl51433.pdf
Even as Rignot and colleagues suggest that loss of the Amundsen Sea embayment glaciers appears inevitable, it remains extremely difficult to predict exactly how this ice loss will unfold and how long it will take. A conservative estimate is that it could take several centuries.
The region contains enough ice to raise global sea levels by 4 feet (1.2 meters).
Source: http://www.nasa.gov/jpl/news/antarctic-ice-sheet-20140512/
4 feet, and LAX airport is 125 feet above sea level. SFO airport, also mentioned by Brown is Elevation: 13 ft. according to Airnav
NASA even calculates for the worst case scenario:
The Amundsen Sea region is only a fraction of the whole West Antarctic Ice Sheet, which if melted completely would raise global sea level by about 16 feet (5 meters).
So even 16 feet wouldn’t affect LAX airport, but might affect SFO …far in the future.
Governor Brown is in a gross error with his claims. You’d think his handlers would check this simple math before they allow him to beclown himself with unsupportable claims of doom that can’t possibly affect either airport enough to cause them to be moved.
Again all this assumes that SFO and LAX will still be there in 200 years. We might be driving antigrav personal flying vehicles by then. (Well, if you believe Popular Science).
Here is where I think Brown went wrong:
He listened to the Guardian’s Susanne Goldenberg, who conflated 4 feet to 4 METERS (13 feet), which would affect SFO airport, but not LAX.
And the error is still in her story, a day later.
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There isn’t even that much water on the planet, is there? I mean, if all ice, everywhere melted, how high would the sea level go?
Probably misspoke, forgot to add:”And when Guam tips over”.
The latest frenzy is rubbing it in, CAGW is an Intelligence Test.
The science is settled. Lefties have a compulsive need to prove they are stupid.
Oh good lord. (…and I’m an atheist.)
“Progressives” don’t care about math, which is why this won’t hurt Brown one bit with his supporters.
For them, it’s true if you want it to be true, unless you’re not one of them. And then anything you do is EVIL!
I refuse to believe that anyone can claim the ability to foresee hundreds of years in advance, since no one was able to predict the past 18 years of climate from two years ahead. And this is certainly true for those who believe we can dial down the Earth temps by removing carbon emissions. So apparently these yokels think that 200 plus years fom now we’ll still be burning coal and filling up at gas stations? That is perhaps their biggest piece of illogical thinking.
Let’s see what the LA Times thinks of Brown’s blunder. Whoops, did I say “think?”
An idiot would not be so stupid.
I blame the statement attributed to the Governor on the flies surrounding this long dead zombie.
You guys all make big funny. Now.
But you wait. The Sepulveda underpass is below the runway, and it will be flooding in only 36,722.88 years!
Laugh while you can. Traffic’s gonna be backed up to Ventura Blvd.
This latest brainspurt from Governor Brown really epitomises the vortex of absurd alarmism he and the rest of the Warmistas are stuck in.
Lets assume that a 4ft sea level rise actually did pose a statistical threat to LAX and or San Francisco airports. His answer is to move them? Why not just build a bund wall to protect them? The Dutch have such walls to protect about half their country, for God’s sake! It would hardly be some engineering marvel to protect a bloody airport. What a complete idiot! What is with Californians that they vote this dingbat in time after time. Was Arnie that bad? Really?
Airports will be made obsolete by personal teleportation chambers long before sea levels rise to engulf the current location of LAX.
How embarrassing !
Governor ‘Moonbeam’ spouts a proclamation after deep thought, no doubt in the “Cone Of Silence” with fellow stoner Barak Obama.
Ah Ha !
The new Gojila movie is about to premier and then stomp the daylights out of of Tokyo and New York ! Of Course ! It and the ‘papers’ are a ‘Cecil B. DeMil production,’ however not staring our Bou vie Bou Charlton Heston as the Vanquishing Hero cum laude, heavy on the cum [porn star].
Ha ha 😉
I can EASILY believe that SFO will be under 15 feet of water.
From the tsunami caused by “The Big One”, which is expected in under 200 years.
They say that ignorance is bliss. Not so much when the ignoramus is a politician.
Now, irregardless of your beliefs about climate, does anyone out there actually believe we
will still be filling our vehicles with gasoline a hundred years from now? Or burning coal or natural gas to make electricity? These people that predict well into the future always assume things won’t change much in the next hundred years (we’ll be on the iPad CLMXXV by then). That’s the most idiotic assumption I’ve ever heard. Nobody believes that. Not even the alarmists, which is quite illogical considering their beliefs. That’s the strongest argument I can think of for not doing anything.
Obviously, he is the governor, and he knows what he’s talking about.
> LAX airport is 125 feet above sea level
He knows something we don’t. Either a tsunami or an asteroid strike in the Pacific will flood LAX in the next 100 years.
Count on it. 😉
Say JJ, can those teleportation chambers be programmed to leave a few fat cells behind?
“who conflated 4 feet to 4 METERS (13 feet)”, dang those darned units, trips me up all the time. I still have trouble converting “furlongs per fortnight” into miles per hour.
Of course, once they ban all the automobiles “furlongs per fortnight’ maybe a handy metric to keep in mind.
Cheers, Kevin.
Say anything that enters his uninformed mind then spin it later. Typical of him and most all pols. How did it happen that the country is run by 2nd class minds?
Oh yeah, I forgot, think about the country song possibilities;
“There I was, cruising down the interstate, doing 100 furlongs per fortnight, I would be in Tulsa a week after next Thursday, Hopefully, she’d still be there”,
Instant classic song.
/sarc off
Good lord, I haven’t visited the LA Times in awhile and their “makeover” is atrocious. Can’t even get the article comments to load (wherein, generally, you can find the only reason to actually read an LA Times article).
M Seward, Somewhere in Oz, Gobsmacked: Was Arnie that bad? Really?
Well, uh, as a matter of fact…. I suppose if you like California’s cap and trade program.
“Governor Moonbeam” was the late Mike Royko’s gift to California, although he later took it back. Too bad he’s not still around; I suspect he might bestow it a second time. Maybe a title that could be shared with the Governator.
: > )
“There isn’t even that much water on the planet, is there? I mean, if all ice, everywhere melted, how high would the sea level go?”
This table shows approximate volumes of ice sheets in Antarctica and Greenland:
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/HannaBerenblit.shtml
According to this link:
http://chartsbin.com/view/wwu
The total sea surface is 361,132,000 sq km
Bring out your calculator 😉
Politicians, (politichickens) will tell you what they want you to know.
Inability to do basic math is a ‘progressive’ disease….
Acceptance of that intellectual failure serves their common core values.