Greenpeace disappears a founder, much like ‘The Commissar Vanishes’ in Soviet Russia

kommisar_FOURTHREETWOONEOn our Friday Funny, which pointed out that Dr. Michael Mann labeled Greenpeace co-founder Dr. Patrick Moore as a “garden variety troll”, we thought it was funny that Dr. Mann couldn’t make the connection to who he was labeling.  But then, something funny happened on the way to the forum; we discovered that Greenpeace had been actively erasing Dr. Moore from their history page.

It’s just like the famous communist propaganda photo series The Commissar Vanishes

Thank goodness for the Wayback machine.

From a comment:

CaligulaJones says: January 24, 2014 at 8:54 am

” David Sanger (@davidsanger) says:
January 24, 2014 at 8:22 am

Well certainly Greenpeace does not think that Patrick Moore was a “co-founder of Greenpeace.”

Unfortunately for the Peas, this is 2014, not 1984, where unpeople are memory-holed:

http://www.greenpeace.org/international/about/history/founders
http://web.archive.org/web/20021119050900/http://www.greenpeace.org.au/aboutus/founders.html

And here are the screencaps of those two pages, note that five people in one photo are reduced to three in the later one.

From 2002, five people:

Greenpeace_founders_before

Source: http://web.archive.org/web/20021119050900/http://www.greenpeace.org.au/aboutus/founders.html

From 2005, five people:

Greenpeace_founders_Dec16_2005

Source: http://web.archive.org/web/20051216000251/http://www.greenpeace.org/international/about/history/founders

From today, just three people:

greenpeace_founders_after

Source: http://www.greenpeace.org/international/about/history/founders

And even Wikipedia notices the effort to erase Dr. Moore. From this comment (bold mine):

alex says: January 24, 2014 at 9:08 am

From Wiki:

Greenpeace[edit]
According to Greenpeace: How a Group of Ecologists, Journalists, and Visionaries Changed the World by Rex Wyler, the Don’t Make a Wave Committee was formed in January 1970 by Dorothy and Irving Stowe, Ben Metcalfe, Marie and Jim Bohlen, Paul Cote, and Bob Hunter and incorporated in October 1970.[6] The Committee had formed to plan opposition to the testing of a one megaton hydrogen bomb in 1969 by the United States Atomic Energy Commission on Amchitka Island in the Aleutians. Moore joined the committee in 1971 and, as Greenpeace co-founder Bob Hunter wrote, “Moore was quickly accepted into the inner circle on the basis of his scientific background, his reputation [as an environmental activist], and his ability to inject practical, no-nonsense insights into the discussions.”[7] From as early as September 2005 until its alteration in March 2007, the Greenpeace International web site included Patrick Moore in a list of “founders and first members”.[8][9][10]

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So, Greenpeace is desperate to re-write their own history…

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Moore_%28environmentalist%29#Greenpeace

Why would Greenpeace do such a thing, erasing a founding member?

It is likely because Dr. Patrick Moore has become a climate skeptic, and appeared in a skeptic film in 2007. From his Wikipedia page:

In 2005, Moore criticized what he saw as scare tactics and disinformation employed by some within the environmental movement, saying that the environmental movement “abandoned science and logic in favor of emotion and sensationalism.”[30] Moore contends that for the environmental movement “most of the really serious problems have been dealt with”, seeking now to “invent doom and gloom scenarios”.[31] He suggests they romanticise peasant life as part of an anti-industrial campaign to prevent development in less-developed countries, which he describes as “anti-human”.[32][33] Moore was interviewed in the 2007 film documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle, in which he expressed similar views. In 2007 The Guardian reported on his writings for the Royal Society arguing against the theory that mankind was causing global warming, noting his advocacy for the felling of tropical rainforests and the planting of genetically engineered crops.

And perhaps most infuriating to the greens, he advocates for improving the third world with the introduction of Golden Rice, which the GMO activists in Greenpeace see as an evil thing.

Since Greenpeace is now a multi-million dollar industry, we can’t have idealistic former founders mucking up what they want their donors to believe. I wonder how long it will be before we hear Greenpeace was actually founded by one person?

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101 thoughts on “Greenpeace disappears a founder, much like ‘The Commissar Vanishes’ in Soviet Russia

  1. I seem to recall someone telling me at least 5 years ago, in a comment somewhere, that Roger Moore had nothing to do with the founding of Greenpeace. So they’ve been working at this for quite some time.

  2. I first ventured into sceptical waters when I read , in 2007, that this hero of my youth had received death threats for his honest opinion. Since then the green spiral into totalitarianism has become more and more obvious.

  3. Patrick Moore is also the only founder with any real science credentials- the rest are lawyers and social workers. He actually has the education and experience to change his mind.

  4. Greenpeace is a thoroughly discredited and thuggish organisation. I’ve seen its thugs in action. Of course it is loved by the BBC, one of its first ports of call for the “facts” on anything to do with climate change or the environment.

  5. Otter (ClimateOtter on Twitter) says:
    January 25, 2014 at 11:10 am

    Roger Moore? But then they were both Saints in their own way.

  6. Well they disappeared me.
    “We do not want to see you back here, “vietnam vets like you are not welcome” , your ideas are just wrong about John Kerry. If you know what is good for you do not come around talking like you do.

    Nice bunch of commie thugs in fact.

  7. The Greenpeace history page you cite does mention Moore:

    Marie Bohlen was the first to suggest taking a ship up to Amchtka to oppose the U.S. plans. The group organised a boat, the Phyllis Cormack, and set sail to Amchitka to “bear witness” (a Quaker tradition of silent protest) to the nuclear test. On board were:
    • Captain John Cormack, the boat’s owner
    • Jim Bohlen, Greenpeace
    • Bill Darnell, Greenpeace
    • Patrick Moore, Greenpeace
    • Dr Lyle Thurston, medical practitioner
    • Dave Birmingham, engineer
    • Terry Simmons, cultural geographer
    • Richard Fineberg, political science teacher
    • Robert Hunter, journalist
    • Ben Metcalfe, journalist
    • Bob Cummings, journalist
    • Bob Keziere, photographer

    Stowe, who suffered from sea-sickness, stayed on shore to coordinate political pressure. Cote stayed behind too, because he was about to represent Canada in an Olympic sailing race.

    http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/about/history/founders/

  8. mucking up what they want their donors to believe–it’s not just donors Anthony and the key word is in fact believe. Everything going on in education globally now (I have UNESCO’s blueprint and planned curricula and end beliefs and desired mindsets so I am not exaggerating) in K-12 plus higher ed plus law schools and business management schools (UN has founded PRME-Principles for Responsible Management Education) are all guided by altering beliefs to influence perception.

    Reality can supposedly now be ignored unless it is politically compelling in desired ways because the theory goes if you can change beliefs and values you can alter the future reality. And that’s as concise a definition of what dialectical materialism really means as we are likely to find. GreenPeace is a huge part of gaining these transformative mindsets and skeptical founders are barriers to creating a uniformity in what is believed.

  9. @Akatsukami ~ Oooops……!

    But… are you sure one is not acting like he’s the other?

  10. ” … It’s just like the famous communist propaganda photo series The Commissar Vanishes …”
    —-l
    Infamous, surely :)

  11. It’s refreshing to hear an environmentalist admit that many environmental problems have been solved.

  12. Yep, Greenpeace erases things. Back in a 2010 AmericanThinker piece of mine, I linked to the bio page for Greenpeace’s Executive Director Phil Radford, which noted his ties to Ozone Action ( http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/12/the_case_of_the_curious_climat.html , 8th paragraph), the organization I have termed the “epicenter of the smear against skeptic climate scientists”. In a revist to the page in November 2012, I checked the link, and had to get an update placed in my article, because Radford’s revised bio erased his Ozone Action job title.

    Current Greenpeace bio for Radford, sans Ozone Action: http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/media-center/experts/Phil-Radford/

    And thank heavens for the Internet Wayback Machine, scroll down this page for the original format, where Radford’s section says he was “field Director of Ozone Action from 1999 to 2001″: http://web.archive.org/web/20100817224309/http:/www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/media-center/experts/

  13. Greenpeace meets the requirements under RICO for prosecution.
    The criminal groups laws in Canada.
    Also truth in advertising, as a business, statutes.
    Watermelons plain and simple.
    Wrapped in the green ethos, they worship every behaviour the communists discredited.
    Anti-humanist ecosystem destroyers.
    Or if their lack of activism on certain fronts is any indication, they are paid propagandists.
    Whores to who-ever pays them off, or puts them in prison.
    Eco-whores and Presstitutes, what a worldview.

  14. Yet another example of how the slippery slope from idealistic advocate to obseesive totalitarian can occur.
    The real lesson is that this is a human foible, not a facet of a specific ideology. Any of us can fall into the institutional corruption that Greenpeace is now demonstrating. Even skeptical groups and blogs.

  15. A very similar chain of events to this is described in Animal Farm, complete with one of the original founders becoming an ethereal external threat to the new regime with a re-written backstory to boot.

  16. It was true
    It was inconvenient
    …… Today’s DramaGreens take the lead in burying Inconvenient Truths

    Once again showing their hallmark of PROJECTION

  17. Becoming an unperson in the finest of totalitarian traditions (can’t be seen to be fallible, to be charged with having made a mistake).

  18. “Combining creativity with strategic thinking and a hard-nosed journalistic sense for a good story – he helped to shape…what would come [to] be known around the world as “Greenpeace action.” Fascinated by media theory, the often audacious Hunter wanted to change the world with “media mind-bombs,” – consciousness changing sounds and images that would blast around the world in the guise of news. The approach worked brilliantly.”

    For example the rat with tumors supposedly caused by GMO’s:

  19. Patrick Moore:

    I write in hope you are reading this.

    Please do not go near ice picks especially if you visit Mexico.

    Richard

  20. Jim CH says:
    January 25, 2014 at 11:30 am
    ###

    And this has nothing to do with the point being made. The initial paragraph is a direct attack on Dr. Moore.

  21. In 2003 Moore appeared in Penn and Teller’s program “Bullsh*t!”. Criticizing Greenpeace for using “Sensationalism, misinformation and scare tactics…to cloak agendas that had more to do with anti-corporatism, anti-globalism, and anti-business, and had very little to do with science or ecology.” The effort to disappear Moore from the list of founders and the list of former presidents of Greenpeace may predate 2007.

  22. I’m 95% certain that those who think they are contributing to a worthy cause are blissfully unaware of any of this. Great presentation.

  23. RichardLH wrote –

    “I wonder if UNSW will disappear Turney in the same way :-)”

    remembering google’s involvement with the Turney Fiasco – doodle4google – do a google search of “chris turney” & click “news”.
    for a week, i’ve been regularly doing this, & the google al-gore-ithms “news” results have always begun with a group of 551 results, BUT for OLD 5th Jan stuff. only these three results show until u click on “all 551 news sources”. how does Raw Story get in there?

    —-

    Leader of ill-fated Antarctic expedition, Professor Chris Turney …
    Radio Australia-5 Jan 2014
    Expedition leader Professor Chris Turney has been criticised for inexperience and for taking risks by entering Commonwealth Bay. However …

    Leader Chris Turney defends Antarctic expedition against critics of …
    Raw Story-5 Jan 2014

    Antarctic expedition: ‘This wasn’t a tourist trip. It was all about …
    The Guardian-4 Jan 2014

    —-
    there is no chronological order whatsoever when it comes to Turney news coverage. whilst i’ve seen that on other searches, i can’t recall 3-week-old news remaining as the top “news” grouping in this way. on top of that, Turney doesn’t have a Wikipedia page. surely someone has tried to start one!

  24. It’s amazing. Even Russia has no use for these Greenpeace pinkos. This was the organization that they arrested for “piracy” a couple of months back when they protested Russian oil drilling in the Arctic.

    It’s no surprise that Greenpeace is disappearing Roger Moore. That tactic is at least 100 years old. They have no respect for the truth unless it serves their ends.

  25. Entertainingly the MV Arctic Sunrise, which the Russian authorities detained along with the 30 Greenpeacers, is still stuck in Murmansk as of 3 days ago. Port fees are mounting.

    I wonder if Greenpeace will ever get their ship back?

  26. Some years back I had an interesting doorstep discussion with a member of Greenpeace. Her purpose for calling was to get me to join Greenpeace and to contribute to saving the world (no less).
    She talked about the Great London Smog, about pollution from chemical factories. Did I know how terrible the pollution was from cars, lorries, power stations etc etc. How awful it was to cut down forests. (One of Patrick Moore’s interests.)
    I totally flummoxed her by telling her there was no further need for a big organisation like Greenpeace because they had already won!
    I went through each point she raised and showed how government and (more commonly) industry had changed. Smokeless fuels and catalytic converters had been introduced. Modern power stations were far more efficient and less polluting (and did she know cooling towers do not emit smoke – she didn’t, of course). Sometimes (and I cited a specific example) power stations change the fuel to reduce the pollution but at greater cost to themselves. Forestry was carefully managed with replanting and with care for the ecology. For chemical works a classic example was the ICI chemical works at Billingham where the constant white haze of ammonium chloride had been totally eliminated with a great saving to the environment and in overall cost (a win-win).

    There was no need for Greenpeace to FIGHT for change – change was going on everywhere and all they needed to do was to talk sensibly with industry and any fine tuning could be achieved.

    She had no response and left. I felt sorry she had been so mislead.

  27. Nice post. Disappearing seems to be growing in warmista popularity. Mann disappeared the MWP. AR5 tried to disappear the hiatus. Susan Solomon is trying to disappear Santer’s ’17 years of no statistical warming falsifies CMIP3 and 5 models’. Gergis et. al. attempt to create an Australian hockey stick disappeared. Turney tried to disappear the Antarctica events of Dec 23 for which he was responsible (details at Climate Audit). SkS disappeared pictures discovered by Brandon Shollenberger of themselves in Third Reich uniforms. W. Connolley disappeared hundreds of Wiki climate edits and facts, after which he was officially disappeared from editing Wiki. Scooter Nucitelli regularly disappears comments on his Guardian rambles, which may be one reason Guardian readership is itself disappearing (details at WUWT).
    And let’s not forget Trenberth’s heat disappeared. Except the Warmistas did not want it to. Got to be very careful with the disappearing voodoo.

  28. Erasing evidence of people’s existence is one of the things that Reds do, so it’s no big surprise that sandias such as Greenpeace would do such.

    Lev Trotsky was utterly erased from all Soviet publications, both photographic as well as print.

  29. Henry Bowman says:
    January 25, 2014 at 2:09 pm

    Erasing evidence of people’s existence is one of the things that Reds do, so it’s no big surprise that sandias such as Greenpeace would do such.

    Lev Trotsky was utterly erased from all Soviet publications, both photographic as well as print.

    ==========================================================================
    Reminds me of “Animal Farm”.
    (But in the book the animals didn’t rise up again at the end.)

  30. If, in any country in Europe or any state in the USA or indeed any country in the developed world, half a million children were going blind each year because of a simple preventable vitamin deficiency, something would have been done about it long ago and quickly too but that’s the problem, the victims are in the developing world which is well out of the way and everybody’s football to kick around anyway.

    http://thepointman.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/the-big-green-killing-machine-what-is-vad/

    Pointman

  31. I have been a fan of Dr. Patrick Moore for over a decade, since he defended certain uses of chlorine in products/production, at the same time condemning Greenpeace against their stance against all chlorine uses. He has always reasonable proposals for making a better environment, without killing the economical and human benefits.

    Another name not to be forgotten is Ben Metcalfe, first chairman of the Greenpeace Foundation in 1970, which also seems to be erased from the recent lists of Greenpeace founders. Probably because he accused Greenpeace of getting far away of the principles of the founding group in a film made by the Icelandic producer Gudmundsson “Survival in the High North”, saying literally: “I created a monster”.

    The main bad spirit in the whole case seemed to be David Mc Taggart, who turned the mainly idealistic organisation of that time into a multi-million dollar industry centrally dictated by one man, even after his retirement, until his death in 2001.

    To restore the balance between what Greenpeace (and Wiki) says about the role of Mc Taggart in Greenpeace, have a look at the article from Toronto Free Press:

    http://www.torontofreepress.com/2001/0001a3.htm

  32. The transnational corporation knows as Greenpeace has an annual budget of approximately $300 million, which means the corporation has to raise roughly $1 million every day just to keep the lights on. So of course they will do “whatever it takes” to keep that money flowing.

  33. lurker, passing through laughing says:
    January 25, 2014 at 12:12 pm
    Yet another example of how the slippery slope from idealistic advocate to obseesive totalitarian can occur.
    ________________________________________
    A view I most definitely subscribe to.
    History tells us that the most vicious revolutions of the past and present such as the “ism’s of the 20th and 21st century such as communism, nazism, fascism, islamism, japanese imperialism and now environmentalism and all the other so called revolutions throughout history have all, almost without exception, either started with the good intentions of removing or wiping out a percieved and serious wrong against the community or society and thereby improve the citizens lives and freedoms and etc.
    A worthy aim which nearly all such so called revolutions bar the French and American revolutions in modern history have eventually failed to do.
    Instead they have morphed into a dictatorial fascist type revolution where gullible, easily swayed people, particularly the young are used, “used” being the operative word, by cynical morality free manipulators to impose yet another dictatorship even more savage than the original it replaced.

    The Greenpeace leadership is arguably one of the most notorious of such manipulators of the young and the manipulators of propaganda out of all the quasi political operators in our world of today.
    They are now being shown to be adept at altering, changing and modifying the records of past history to further their own agenda, something which they have obviously gone to considerable lengths to try and hide.

    In trying to alter history and eliminate any references to matters that reflect unfavorably on the organisation and particularly on it’s trending towards a dictatorial status, Greenpeace is doing nothing more and nothing less than going down the same vicious humanity destroying road that innumerable dictators from the world’s nastiest and most pitiless dictatorships of the centuries past have also followed.

    Greenpeace with the forcing of the cessation of the manufacture of DDT for malaria control in the 1970’s, a situation it is still attempting to enforce,today, it’s legal maneuverings, it’s intensive propaganda against and the destruction of experimental rice crops to try and stop the release of the live saving, vitamin A creating Golden Rice because it is supposedly a GMO has led to a consequent large surge in malaria cases and large consequent increase in avoidable deaths from both malaria and Vitamin A deficiencies mostly in small kids across rice eating Asia inm total with the death toll from preventable malaria has now cost some estimated 60 or 70 million avoidable deaths over the last 45 years.

    And that places Greenpeace, the WWF and other radical green organisations amongst the greatest destroyers of human life in history and on a par with Mao Zedong and his Chinese communist revolution and his Great Leap Forward and on a par with the combined death tolls of Hitler, Stalin and the Japanese imperial empire.

    And Greenpeace has done all of this without even getting supreme power, something it strove for and which it intended to achieve at Copenhagen in 2009 when it’s leadership was quoted as saying they intended to have a seat at the table when the body to regulate all global economies, energy systems and the emissions was created at Copenhagen.

    That intended body would have had effective control over the world’s energy sources and therefore over the entire global economy and the consequent control of most of the global population.
    That was and still is a morality and ethics free, humanity and freedom destroying Greenpeace’s ultimate goal.

  34. Robin says: @ January 25, 2014 at 11:41 am

    mucking up what they want their donors to believe–it’s not just donors Anthony and the key word is in fact believe. Everything going on in education globally now (I have UNESCO’s blueprint and planned curricula and end beliefs and desired mindsets so I am not exaggerating) in K-12 plus higher ed plus law schools and business management schools (UN has founded PRME-Principles for Responsible Management Education) are all guided by altering beliefs to influence perception.

    Reality can supposedly now be ignored unless it is politically compelling in desired ways because the theory goes if you can change beliefs and values you can alter the future reality. And that’s as concise a definition of what dialectical materialism really means as we are likely to find. GreenPeace is a huge part of gaining these transformative mindsets and skeptical founders are barriers to creating a uniformity in what is believed.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    That bears repeating because this is what we are dealing with. People who deny a reality separate from their beliefs exists. They think they own a pair of magic ruby slippers or something.

    I kid you not I had to take a philosophy short course from one of these people at a management school. Professor Chris(tmas) Turkey is an outstanding example of this belief system and it almost got people killed.

    This is a more formal explanation:

    The Philosophy Of Karl Marx
    The Hegelian Basis

    ….According to this philosophy, “the only immutable thing is the abstraction of movement.” The one universal phenomenon is change, and the only universal form of this phenomenon is its complete abstraction. Thus, Hegel accepted as real only that which existed in the mind. Objective phenomena and events were of no consequence; only the conceptions of them possessed by human minds were real. Ideas, not objects, were the stuff of which the universe was made. The universe and all events therein existed and took place only in the mind, and any change was a change in ideas. Therefore, to account for these changes in ideas was to account for change in the universe….

    In the Hegelian philosophy no idea could exist without an opposite. Thus, the idea of light could not exist unless there were an idea of darkness, nor truth without falsity, nor high without low. If an idea were labeled a thesis, its opposite would be its antithesis. Consequently, in this realm of the mind within which the universe had its only real existence, innumerable theses and antitheses existed. Struggle or conflict was the en-evitable fact in such a universe—conflict of the thesis with its antithesis. In this struggle thesis and antithesis acted and reacted on each other, and a new phenomenon—synthesis—was created. All action or change occurring in the universe was, under the Hegelian philosophy, the product of thesis, antithesis, and resulting synthesis—all in the realm of ideas, since objective reality could exist only in that sphere. Since this process was universal and never ending, it offered a complete explanation of the causal processes creating all phenomena within the universe…..

    This is why there is so much emphasis on a ‘Consensus’ in climate science. This is why the IPCC mandate states:

    The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) was established by the United Nations Environmental Programme (UNEP) and the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) in 1988 to assess the scientific, technical and socio-economic information relevant for the understanding of human induced climate change, its potential impacts and options for mitigation and adaptation.

    http://www.ipcc-wg2.gov/

    The agreement that humans caused climate change was already part of the ‘Consensus’ This is the ‘synthesis’ and Den1ers are just not getting with the program and moving on to the next phase, the designing of a new economy. We are still stuck in the ‘struggle of thesis and antithesis’ to their way of thinking.

    Remember John Dewey Father of Progressive Education? “Dewey’s philosophy had evolved from Hegelian idealism…” In 1896 Dewey created his famous experimental Laboratory School designed to show how education could be changed to produce little socialists and collectivists instead of little capitalists and individualists. It was expected that these little socialists, when they became voting adults, would dutifully change the American economic system into a socialist one.

    It has been over one hundred years since Dewey experimented on children and changed our education system. We are all supposed to be brain washed and willing to accept ‘Global Governance’ but it is not working out that way.

    “We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order….But this present window of opportunity, during which a truly peaceful and interdependent world order might be built, will not be open for long. Already there are powerful forces at work that threaten to destroy all of our hopes and efforts to erect an enduring structure of global interdependence.” – David Rockefeller, speaking at the Business Council for the United Nations, September 14, 1994.

    Pascal Lamy former World Trade Organization Director-General repeats the idea HERE

    Why interdependence? “Economic Interdependence and War: A Theory of Trade Expectations,” International Security, Vol. 20, no.4 (Spring 1996)

    These people are really really scary in their hard headed belief that they control reality as Turney just demonstrated.

  35. lurker, passing through laughing says: @ January 25, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    … The real lesson is that this is a human foible, not a facet of a specific ideology…
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Yes, the Salem MA witch trials come to mind. The problem is blind fanaticism.

  36. So this makes me wonder which of the USA “Founders” would be disappeared if current members of our – – — – – could figure out how to accomplish such a thing. It does seem much easier to just ignore the principles and the Constitution they established.

  37. It is another example of how anything is now justified, in furtherance of ‘the cause.’

    It really is getting quite disturbing now. We know that as reality moves against them they are getting even more strident in their defence and attacks on critics of their beliefs. (and beliefs it only is at this stage they have very little scientific PROOF that they are correct).

    How far will it go? We know that when money and control (power) is concerned most anything will be done in furtherance of it.

    They are currently in the power position and already have called for censorship and criminalisation of opposing opinions.

    It will only get worse in my opinion if reality continues to move against them.

    Alan

  38. Politics is not a pillow fight. Greenpeace requires a response in kind by an organization dedicated to fighting fire with a legal blow torch. Same for the EDF, NRDC, and The Sierra Club.

    Such organizations exist in the US although they are very small compared to their foes. They deserve our help.

  39. Hia Gail

    I feel it appropriate, given your Hegelian comment above, to provide this link by the Great Richard Feynman…..

  40. Alan Bates says:
    January 25, 2014 at 1:25 pm
    “She had no response and left. I felt sorry she had been so mislead.”

    Chuggers typically get 30% of the bait.

  41. Gail Combs says:

    January 25, 2014 at 4:24 pm

    = = = = = = = = =

    Gail Combs,

    In total agreement.

    I add info on who were the philosophical precursors that Hegel needed to justify his philosophy. It [was] Kant on whose shoulders he stood. And it was Plato whose shoulders Kant stood on.

    I addition Kant / Hegel led to the positivist movement in late 19th / early 20th century philosophy. And now what is called post modern philosophy stands on the positivist movements shoulders.

    There is a legendary alternative to that succession of philosophies (that included Hegel). The alternate is a tradition that has an observed reality basis for epistemology and metaphysics; we all know who has been in that alternate tradition . . . . : )

    John

  42. Ferdinand Engelbeen says:
    January 25, 2014 at 3:09 pm

    I have been a fan of Dr. Patrick Moore for over a decade, since he defended certain uses of chlorine in products/production, at the same time condemning Greenpeace against their stance against all chlorine uses. He has always reasonable proposals for making a better environment, without killing the economical and human benefits.

    =============================================================
    Awhile ago I meant to to thank you for your defense of chlorine. Pathogens kill. Chlorine kills pathogens.
    Where I live they are spending 100 million+ to meet the limits for disinfection byproducts.
    What a waste.

  43. Charlie Johnson (@SemperBanU) says:
    January 25, 2014 at 11:13 am

    Memory holes are to the 2010s as bomb shelters were to the 1950s.
    ————————————————————————————–
    Definitely a sign of climate change.

  44. Steve C, this isn’t my party.

    Patrick Moore ‏@EcoSenseNow Jan 19

    @Greenpeace not only denies @Golden_Rice in Philippines, denies electricity for poor, supports fantasy wind, solar: http://goo.gl/SBmZAX
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    Patrick Moore ‏@EcoSenseNow Jan 19

    Perfect example of lies spread by anti-#GMO activists. Claim Bt cotton a failure and @MonsantoCo has seed monopoly: http://goo.gl/f9pPux

    ~^~^~^~^~^~^~
    The development of cotton which gives 5 times the yield of other varieties is not a disaster for Indian cotton farmers. You have been “media mind-bombed” by Greenpeace. Golden Rice would be a source of vit a for children on rice diets. Developing bodies need these micronutrients or blindness and early death results. That is why Patrick Moore works so hard to protest Greenpeace’s war on GMOs. Thank you.

  45. “Greenpeace disappears a founder, much like ‘The Commissar Vanishes’ in Soviet Russia”

    Reactionaries gonna react

    h/t my son

  46. My late mother had a simple old german saying which was meant in a family wealth sense but which I have found quite applicable to wide variety of organisations that I have come across in my 75 years;
    It was;
    “Clogs to clogs in three generations”.

    The first generation creates and establishes.
    The second generation knowing the ethos and aims and having lived in the founder’s shadow builds on that foundation.
    The third generation now two generations and far removed from the founder’s ethos just looks at the accumulated wealth and influence and says, it’s all mine, and then promptly and figuratively pxxses the lot up against the wall.

    Stalinist communism took 90 years, a bit more than three generations to completely disintegrate but it was only political and bureaucratic inertia that kept it going over the last couple of decades.

    Of interest it appears that North Korea may also be going down the same path with the installation of the third generation and the real time elimination of the remnants of the second generation.

    And that is the same path that Greenpeace and the other badly misnamed “environmental” watermelon organisations are now going down as they lose their very reason for being.

    • @Rom – The Soviet Union was literally saved by WWII. Had they been the aggressor, it probably would have stopped at 3 generations (or if no war had occurred).

      But I have heard the 3rd generation theory before. Especially in terms of family owned companies. We just lost one in this area (it wisely sold out).

  47. To ROM. In Finnish we have that same idea of three generations. The first generation builds, the second one uses and the third one destroys.

    And let´s not forget this nice Polish saying; ” The future is certain, it is only the past that is unpredictable.”

  48. I remember a lecturer telling us in the Soviet high school that Greenpeace was the one of the best examples of Soviet financing of the useful groups undermining the “capitalist society” from within. The other examples were the Olympic Games Committee and ANC (Mandela).

  49. nice to see my brother’s comment about his time on the Beluga, that they are all a bit fanatical, has stood the test of time.I dislike fanatics, for they are dangerous, whether in your face or behind your back. Meanwhile , back in the ’90s,I wrote
    Golden Rice is twice as nice,
    Or so the scientists say:
    It prevents blindness in a thrice,
    With its built-in vitamin A.
    Important yet to their prognosis:
    Will it prevent vitaminosis?
    After all, they did recommend DDT & a multitude of other wonders for us to thrive by.

  50. Jim CH says:
    January 25, 2014 at 11:30 am

    The Greenpeace history page you cite does mention Moore:

    Yeah but look at the photos and the cunning re-wording. In the Wayback machine I see a photo of FIVE people, was one of them Moore? In the new page they say:
    “The Founders of Greenpeace”……”Here are four of them” with no mention of Moore among the four. Also see their new page and compare it to the archive.

    NEW PAGE.

    The Don’t Make A Wave Committee

    In 1970, the Don’t Make A Wave Committee was established; its sole objective was to stop a second nuclear weapons test at Amchitka Island in the Aleutians.

    The committee’s founders were Dorothy and Irving Stowe, Marie and Jim Bohlen, Ben and Dorothy Metcalfe, and Bob Hunter. It’s first directors were Stowe, Bohlen, and a student named Paul Cote.

    ARCHIVED PAGE.

    In 1970, the Don’t Make A Wave Committee was established; its sole objective was to stop the second test. The committee’s founders and first members included:
    • Paul Cote, a law student at the University of British Columbia
    • Jim Bohlen, a former deep-sea diver and radar operator in the US Navy
    • Irving Stowe, a Quaker and Yale-educated lawyer
    Patrick Moore, ecology student at the University of British Columbia
    • Bill Darnell, a social worker

    http://web.archive.org/web/20021119050900/http://www.greenpeace.org.au/aboutus/founders.html

    In the NEW PAGE they have provided a link to a book overview about Greenpeace.

    http://rexweyler.com/greenpeace

    I followed the link and looked at History then Founders and found
    Directors: Don’t Make A Wave Committee, 1970-71.
    Irving Stowe (Deceased: October, 1974)
    Jim Bohlen
    Paul Cote
    Dorothy Stowe, secretary, correspondence
    Marie Bohlen conceived the idea to sail a protest boat to Amchitka Island
    Bob Hunter coined the name “Don’t Make a Wave” for the ecology group SPEC
    Bill Darnell coined the name “Greenpeace” at a meeting in 1971.

    No mention of Moore on the committee. He is described as Crew. As you can see he has been erased from the “Directors: Don’t Make A Wave Committee, 1970-71″ yet made it to the 1970 version.

  51. I went to the Internet Archive and looked for the earliest version of the page and indeed he is not on the committee BUT he was a member of Greenpeace when the committee was re-named Greenpeace. They say so themselves below:

    …..On the day of the blast, 10,000 protestors blocked the major US-Canadian border crossing, unfurling a banner that read: “Don’t Make a Wave. It’s Your Fault if Our Fault Goes”. Ignoring the protests, the US announced plans for another test in 1971.

    In 1970, Paul Cote (a law student at the University of British Columbia), Jim Bohlen (a former deep-sea diver and radar operator in the US Navy) and Irving Stowe (a Quaker and Yale-educated lawyer), established the Don’t Make A Wave Committee. The committee’s sole objective was to stop the second test.

    The three friends were joined by Patrick Moore, an ecology student at the University of British Columbia, and Bill Darnell, a young social worker. Darnell came up with the dynamic combination of words to bound together the group’s concern for the planet and opposition to nuclear arms. The committee was renamed Greenpeace.

    Twelve people were on board the Phyllis Cormack when Greenpeace set sail for Amchitka. Captain John Cormack (the boat’s owner), Dave Birmingham (engineer), Bob Keziere (photographer), Dr Lyle Thurston (medical practitioner), Terry Simmons (cultural geographer), Richard Fineberg (political science teacher), Robert Hunter, Ben Metcalfe and Bob Cummings (journalists), joined Bohlen, Moore and Darnell.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20020312024101/http://www.greenpeace.org.au/aboutus/founders.html

  52. Let me re-phrase my first sentence.
    I

    went to the Internet Archive and looked for the earliest version of the page and indeed he is not on the ORIGINAL committee BUT he was a member of Greenpeace when the committee was re-named Greenpeace…..

  53. Here is another archive page. Would it be correct to say that Moore was not on the 1970 committee but was on the committee when it was launched as Greenpeace making him a founding member of Greenpeace?

    In 1970, the Don’t Make A Wave Committee was established; its sole objective was to stop a second nuclear weapons test at Amchitka Island in the Aleutians.

    The committee’s founders and first members included:

    • Paul Cote, a law student at the University of British Columbia
    • Jim Bohlen, a former deep-sea diver and radar operator in the US Navy
    • Irving Stowe, a Quaker and Yale-educated lawyer
    • Patrick Moore, ecology student at the University of British Columbia
    • Bill Darnell, a social worker

    Darnell came up with the dynamic combination of words to bind together the group’s concern for the planet and opposition to nuclear arms. In the words of Bob Hunter, “Somebody flashed two fingers as we were leaving the church basement and said “Peace!” Bill said “Let’s make it a Green Peace. And we all went Ommmmmmmm.” Jim Bohlen’s son Paul, having trouble making the two words fit on a button, linked them together into the committee’s new name: Greenpeace.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20070203080000/http://www.greenpeace.org/international/about/history/founders

  54. The revision of history seems to be something the left feel obliged to do. Take Clooney’s latest effort, it’s on the same level as that Enigma rubbish.

    Down the memory hole it all goes….

  55. In 2006, Moore became co-chair (with Christine Todd Whitman) of a new industry-funded initiative, the Clean and Safe Energy Coalition, which promotes increased use of nuclear energy.

    I’m sure this didn’t win him many friends

  56. “Do you realize that the past, starting from yesterday, has been actually abolished?”

    Winston Smith, 1984

  57. So, can we expect Cook’s Blog to ‘vanish’ Mann’s existence in CAGW as it rewrites CAGW history to remove its failed science/scientists?

    Next week would be a good time to vanish his now inconvenient contribution to the ’cause’. Right?

    John

  58. Easy there people…..easy. Both Green Peace and Moore are controlled opposition. Either that or Moore is an idiot. Does he really think he is any better, when he himself is trying to persuade the world of the so-called benefit of GMO. , ha.. that’s so typical of THEY to always use the fear tactic, because that’s what they are- “A FEAR FACTORY”. When you spend your whole life studying the body and its relation to diet, then you can talk-Morre

  59. Steve C, re: Serallani retraction. This also relates to the request by Science Mag instituting “a new policy requiring authors of preclinical studies to state their statistical plans (sample size estimation, treatment of outliers, etc).” Publishing a paper on the danger of tumors from GMOs, and then subsequently having to retract it, can become furtive ground for activists to insert a big conspiracy by Mansanto, as Elesevier found out.

    Elesevier should have taken responsibility for publishing a scientific study that had an incredibly low sample size with a particularly tumor prone rat.

    “However, there is legitimate cause for concern regarding both the number of animals in each study group and the particular strain selected. The low number of animals had been identified as a cause for concern during the initial review process, but the peer-review decision ultimately weighed that the work still had merit despite this limitation. A more in-depth look at the raw data revealed that no definitive conclusions can be reached with this small sample size regarding the role of either NK603 or glyphosate in regards to overall mortality or tumor incidence. Given the known high incidence of tumors in the Sprague-Dawley rat, normal variability cannot be excluded as the cause of the higher mortality and incidence observed in the treated groups.”

    How many studies have been conducted regarding the safety of GMOs? 1783 studies. Not settled science, but not exactly virgin territory either.

    refs: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/11/28/science-self-corrects-bogus-study-claiming-roundup-tolerant-gmo-corn-causes-cancer-to-be-retracted/

  60. Study or no study, it doesn’t matter! If people want to keep doing studies on GMO, then i think they are playing a dangerous game. The answer is not in your skull, but in the heart- intuition my man ……..intuition.

  61. Studies do matter. If a scientist, or an expert, or an academic (or even a person who gets a lot of [traffic] on Youtube) makes a claim, there are ways to verify or to falsify their statements.

  62. And in some cases, you may find that not enough is known to make a definitive claim with any certainty. That is an interesting result of studies also.

    What this poster is attempting to apply is not “intuition,” or even “the heart,” it is called the Precautionary Principle.

    The Precautionary Principle states that if any doubt regarding environmental harm, or a threat to human “health” can be imagined, even without scientific basis, then a technology or advancement must be halted or reversed by politicians.

    Many of us reject the Precautionary Principle, and its synonym, “sustainabiltiy,” because there is no political or expert class that has the right or power to judge whether a new technology or scientific advancement is “sustainable” or not. Not only that, it is already a farce and an abysmal failure in Europe, where the European Union has passed laws against Co2 emissions, cinnamon, olive oil on restaraunt tables, and home-made jam at charities.

  63. Disappearing web pages and/or content within is beginning to become more frequent. UPC renewables and their affiliates (UPC/IVPC/Evergreen/ First WInd et. al.) have suddenly been ‘updating’ (removing content) from their numerous web pages as well.

  64. I am amazed. No one here seems to know that Patrick Moore wrote a book reelaing what happened to Greenpeace, entitled “Confessions of a Greenpeace Dropout: The Making of a Sensible Environmentalist.” Beatty Street Publishing Inc. It is available on Kindle.

    It is informative and a good read.

    Moore was not only one of the founders, but in the spring of 1977 he actually became President of Greenpeace.

  65. Its this idea that you need gmo , that’s what bothers me. Man will create another problem just to solve another.

  66. Those people were much better off prior to European intervention. White men create the problem; then a poor and displaced people is the reaction; white man then offers the solution-GMO.
    Yeah right! I say blow it up your you know what. Gods creation need no correcting.

  67. @Zeke at 9:55 am:
    “Many of us reject the Precautionary Principle, and its synonym, “sustainability,” because there is no political or expert class that has the right or power to judge whether a new technology or scientific advancement is “sustainable” or not.”

    Zeke, you are almost right. But not quite. I have one for you, one that is coming down the road, and it IS sustainable.

    Liquid fluoride thorium reactors.

    No carbon emissions. (Not that they really matter.)

    Uses more than 100 times as much of the available energy as light water reactors. 99%+ versus 0.7%.

    That means that nuclear waste will be cut down to 1% or less than is created..

    WILL be used to use up 99%+ the existing nuclear waste. And make more energy than the light water reactor got out of it. Yucca Mountain will be emptied over time.

    Cannot do a Fukushima.

    Can be shut off in minutes – and started up just as quickly.

    Can be sized so that remote towns can have their own reactor. Or factories. Or cruise ships. Or space ships.

    It is essentially free energy for water desalination plants – meaning that desert countries like Namibia and Saudi Arabia can cultivate their deserts from sea water.

    Thorium can be used as it comes out of the ground. No centrifuging. No yellowcake.

    The fuel cannot be used for nuclear weapons.

    Proven reserves of thorium are so plentiful that we have enough fuel for tens of thousands of years.

    The total thorium for a person’s entire life is the size of a racquetball. Not the court. The ball.

    Google it or look at some videos on YouTube.

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