Quote of the Week – ‘global warming fear is damaging our young’

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WUWT reader “Newty” writes in a comment in response to the National Geographic scaremongering at 2013/11/05 at 12:38 pm

Seriously though I was terrified before I first started coming here. I’ve recently become a father and we did question bringing children into the world when the threat of global warming seemed so certain and so imminent.

I work with children and many of them are seriously anxious as a result of just this kind of article that sits in the school library.

It reminds me of how I worried about nuclear war years ago. Fear is damaging our young who should grow up with optimism and hope.

I couldn’t agree more, best wishes to you and to your family – Anthony

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118 thoughts on “Quote of the Week – ‘global warming fear is damaging our young’

  1. I keep harping on this point: Stop scaring the children. It is stupid and debilitating, leading to nihilistic attitudes that can be very damaging.

  2. Yeah, there is a good book out there somewhere. A good book to soothe our anxieties. A good book with all the answers we need. What is that good book?

    Oh, yeah, the Bible.

  3. I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
    (Frank Herbert’s DUNE, Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear)

    Ignorance is the most powerful force in the Universe and, as entropy, is the death of the Universe.

  4. Maybe it’s getting time for a civil suit against NGOs and other fear-mongering organizations. It’s not hard anymore to show that certain scientists have lied, and I’d expect a subpoena of Climate Action Network documents and minutes would show widespread collusion in planning to introduce fear-causing curriculum materials. There may indeed be a good, factual, and reasonable civil case here for knowing and deliberate psychological abuse of the young.

  5. It is one thing to let the mainstream media (MSM) spout their scary stories.

    To teach the same, is a failure on the part of our educational system.

  6. Quote of the Week – ‘global warming fear is damaging our young’

    Couldn’t agree more!
    Perhaps this is what is meant ;

    From P Gosselin’s skeptical and german NotricksZone blog
    1st Nov
    “Environmentalist Group BUND Releases Baby-Gassing Video…Shows Agriculture Gassing Field Of Babies With Chemical Pesticides!”

    Or this from the same site;
    23rd July
    “Indoctrination At Schools In Germany Reaches New Level …Children Taught “Men Cause Climate Change” -

    Or this again from NTZ
    31st Oct
    “Enviro-Psychologists Confirm Climate Alarmists Are Making Themselves Mentally Sick…”Doomer Depression”

  7. When children are told lies by adults with ulterior goals they will almost certainly find out as they become adolescents or young adults that they were purposely manipulated and deceived. Then there will be countercultural attacks on those in the older generations that either deceived and manipulated them or those in the older generations that stood by silently and watched.

    John

  8. Those who embark on a course of deception and fear in order to maintain their personal beliefs and comfortable lifestyle must have no idea of the “ripples in a pond” effect of their insidious actions.
    Let mighty shame be upon you all.

  9. I used to be annoyed that my son would not always do what I said. Now I understand and am delighted that children are born with an innate distrust of their elders and that this is a necessary trait for the survival of our species. No doubt every generation has spread their share of garbage on their youth and the kids seem to do well at filtering it out… So all is not lost.

  10. Alarm heads don’t care how much harm they cause to people because people don’t matter to them. All that matters to them is their dogma. As far as i’m concerned these guys are no better than the Catholic Church during the inquisition.

  11. Peter says:
    November 5, 2013 at 5:48 pm
    I used to be annoyed that my son would not always do what I said. Now I understand and am delighted that children are born with an innate distrust of their elders and that this is a necessary trait for the survival of our species. No doubt every generation has spread their share of garbage on their youth and the kids seem to do well at filtering it out… So all is not lost.

    Guess what Peter, you get to believe that….

  12. This thread touches upon an aspect of the magnificent consciousness within us, which those like All Gore would subvert and suppress.

    “He betrayed this country! He played on our fears.”.- Al Gore, ranting (projecting) about a political opponent

  13. Let us not forget the atrocity advocated by the “10-10″ maniacs:

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a7e_1286142183

    These people were actually advocating political genocide (in a very visual and blatant way) !
    When informed of this, their spokeswoman actually said.
    “Oh, well, you live and learn.”
    They are that far out of touch with reality!

  14. The greatest boon to AGW was the cessation of the cold war. Power seekers needed a new bogeyman, and they found it. To terrorize children, as bullies love to do.

  15. Creating a climate of fear has clearly been a long term goal of the CACW advocates.

    The Physicians for Social Responsibility says this; “Global warming is acknowledged by scientists around the world to be a reality and to be caused primarily by human activity, especially the burning of fossil fuels. As the earth warms, the delicate balance of climate, weather events and life is disrupted. Consequences emerge that threaten human health and, ultimately, survival.”

    The National Wildlife Foundation printed a prime on how to create fear in children titled “The Psychological Effects of Global Warming on the United States:

    “Having the reality of the destructive forces presented by climate change fully register
    with people, so they will to act with the needed urgency, is indeed a challenge. And,
    while the physical and environmental effects of global warming are studied and
    described, what has rarely been addressed, and is as compelling a topic as any, are the
    psychological impacts.

    This report aims both to fill in the gap in our awareness of the psychological impacts
    of climate change, and by exposing the emotional side of the issue, to find the place in
    our hearts that mobilizes us to fly into action, forewarned, determined, relentless. It also
    is a call for professionals in the mental health fields to focus on this, the social justice
    issue of all times, with their capacity to work through denial and apathy, to bring insight
    and commitment before it is too late.”

    http://www.nwf.org/pdf/Reports/Psych_Effects_Climate_Change_Full_3_23.pdf

  16. By their actions you shall know them.
    The use of child soldiers, indoctrinating children to the state cause,manipulating childhood fears for profit.
    CAGW follows in the loathsome footsteps of some of histories most notorious characters and fads.

    But honestly, what does one expect from people who have a core belief that the sheer number of human being is the real calamity?
    Secular Antihumanists?

  17. It’s past time we all began referring to these alarmists as what they really are: climate change terrorists. Terrorists are people who terrorize or frighten others, particularly for political ends. The appellation fits climate change alarmists like a glove. I for one am tired of pussy-footing around with these terrorists, of the authorities letting them scare the hell out of vulnerable members of the civilian population, and of the media aiding them in their terrorism and generously supplying them the oxygen of publicity.

    This post brings to mind a story from three years ago when a couple shot themselves and their young son and daughter out of fear of global warming. The parents and son died and the seven-month-old daughter survived.

    A seven-month-old girl survived for three days alone with a bullet in her chest after being shot by her parents as part of a suicide pact over their fears about global warming.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/7344329/Baby-survives-parents-global-warming-suicide-pact.html

    These people were victims of the fear instilled into ordinary people by the alarmists; a part of the ongoing collateral damage produced by climate change terrorism.

  18. I used to be annoyed that my son would not always do what I said. Now I understand and am delighted that children are born with an innate distrust of their elders and that this is a necessary trait for the survival of our species. No doubt every generation has spread their share of garbage on their youth and the kids seem to do well at filtering it out… So all is not lost.

    I could not agree more with this. Many of my right of center friends fear MOSLEMS. I take a longer view. Their system is based on a BRUTAL FAMILIAL CONTROL METHOD. As the world becomes MORE connected, there will be MORE AND MORE of their “youth” who rebel. I just pray to Baal, God, the devil…you name it… particularily in the USA, when the FIRST of the OPPRESSED defends themselves, violently and rightfully (i.e., FIGHTS back, “youth” against the “oppressing culture”…their RIGHT to do that (very AMERICAN) is completely upheld by the American justice system.

    FORGET NOT that when the “Soviet Union” (dirty filthy swear words in my mind) fell apart in 2 years (1989 to 1990) Mother Russia found itself and 90 % of the Russians noted they BELIEVED NOT A WHIT of the <5% "ruling class". Bravo for rebelling and certain aspects of anarchy, which are needed to assure survival and progress.

  19. Children are amazingly practical little beings and if their significant caregiver gives them genuine reason to trust that caregiver the child will listen to them to the exclusion of others.

    One child who was very fond of me, and still is (he’s now 24), was being taunted by the two next door neighbor boys who were about his age. At the time Brian (not his real name) was 5 or 6 and had graduated from a tricycle and had just gotten new training wheels put on a two wheeler for him that very day. The neighbor boys were mocking Brian’s bike, calling it slow. Brian started crying and pleading that his bike was not slow. I came up to him and said, “Brian, I think they’re jealous. You’ve got nice, shiny, new training wheels on your bike and they don’t.” Voila, that was it, Bryan suddenly ignored their taunts.

    Of course, nature being what it is, he didn’t always listen to me. His father and I love hot food and his father had a small garden where he was growing Habanero peppers. We both plucked one each, taking small bites and cooing in masochistic pleasure. Six year old Bryan saw this display of ecstasy, plucked a Habanero for himself and … immediately his father and I, screaming stereophonically, went, “No, no, no, no, no Bryan, you’re not gonna like…”

    Too late.

  20. If Michael Crichton were still alive, he would be able to add to this thread on fear.

    His book ‘State of Fear’ was an epic expose of fear induced by radical environmental terrorists; including those of the climate catastrophe variety found in CAGW movements.

    John

  21. If you know ANYTHING about human history, you must realize this is ABSOLUTELY the greatest age in which to raise children. Anything before the 20th century was BRUTAL and SHORT. People have to learn their history and stop feeling guilty about modern conveniences.

  22. I remember those anti-nuke petitions being passed around elementary school during the 80′s. I refused to sign and wrote Reagan a letter asking him to scare Gorbachev until he finally surrendered.

  23. “Global Warming Fear is damaging out young” – and the bills from reactions to the fear will need to be paid for by our young.

    I just had another nice chat with a brilliant intern I commute with. She’s open – and loves to ask questions and discuss technical aspects of machinery, energy, physics and all sorts of stuff she’s learned in her first 3.5 years of college. We drive by a windmill at the Budweiser plant in Fairfield on our drive every day. I point out every morning and evening that the wind mill is not turning –seems it sits idle about half the time –sometimes for days in a row.

    I told her to form her own opinion. I told her that when it does not turn, inefficient quick throttling backup systems must churn up to make up for the non spinning wind mill. I said when the wind blows, everything else must shut down enough to accept the costly wind mill energy. Windmills require close to 100% back up – and the back up power can not be as efficient because a plant needs to run continuous to be harnessed efficiently.

    I asked her to think about what this generation is teaching today’s youth and how it’s borrowing money that will be paid in the future –because, it’s today’s youth that will need to pay the bills for this foolishness that makes Greenies wealthy today.

    She gets it… and asks lots of good questions… her eyes are opening. She will make a difference one day. Seed planted.

  24. Thoise billionaires such a Bill gates etc who trusted these Ba####ts will be very annoyed when they find out that they have been really had badly.

  25. GeneDoc says:
    I keep harping on this point: Stop scaring the children. It is stupid and debilitating, leading to nihilistic attitudes that can be very damaging.

    ===

    Nihilistic indeed. I grew up no expecting to see the age fo 40.
    The threat of imminent desctruction was probably a lot of the reason for “No Future” theme of the punk rock years.

    However, the couple of times two very edgy super powers nearly frightened each other into a first strike means the cold war fear was perhaps not quite as baseless as the AGW one.

    It is all about government by fear, of which the never-ending “war on terror” is also a part.

  26. Sorry to say but that guy is a moron – if he had an open mind and didn’t mind doing a little research he would not be freaking out over global warming. That is pathetic – the very type people the Manns and Gores of this world use for their own ugly purposes. A semi-educated individual would recognize AGW for what it is – junk.

  27. If I were their child I would choose different parents. These two would be too much of a handicap.

  28. Welcome, Newty, and for sharing your thoughts.

    I ran into a bit of an issue with my second son who kept coming home from grade school worried about carbon dioxide and how it was bad for the planet. I didn’t directly confront any of his teachers, but we’ve had many talks together and, fortunately, he is now starting to be able to see through the fear and take a more reasoned approach. Unfortunately, there is a real sense of fear that is being instilled in some young people, rather than helping them be excited and optimistic about the future.

  29. @Pat Frank -
    I would take it a step further and criminally charge these fearmongers with child abuse.

  30. Welcome from me too, Newty – one of Anthony’s lurkers who’s been visiting WUWT since 2009 and stayed sane throughout the whole madness as a result. Good people live here, and they aim for a world of logic and common sense for their descendants.

    And if you haven’t read Michael Crichton’s “State of Fear”, as recommended by one viewer earlier, then grab it. Great read, best-seller, and full of good science (fully referenced as well).

    Cheers!

  31. Fear, scare campaigns, bullying etc are typical ‘progressive left’ methodology while neglecting the facts and truth. Plus a good dose of propaganda. This will give you some idea, today in Sth Aussie the theme was a ‘scorcher’ plus extreme heat at 35 degrees C. Not even 40 odd which is not uncommon from now on in hotter parts of Australia. “Make people anxious and we have them!!”

  32. Several years ago I gave a talk on the sceptical view of climate change to a group of British 10 year olds destined for a grammar school.

    The good news was that they had never heard of Al Gore. The bad news is that they were on the verge of being nihilistic and were convinced that by the time they became adults the earth would be virtually uninhabitable.

    This was based on astonishing misconceptions, firstly that the Atmosphere consisted mostly of Co2 and secondly that 90% of all Co2 was made by man. They had no conception of the real composition of the atmosphere nor of natures contribution to Co2 content

    tonyb

  33. @ eliza 9.14 pm I am not sure if Bill and his wife even KNOW what is being done in their name, in some ways he has done tremendous good in others he is a bit just ” out of the garage” naive.

  34. Survival of the fittest and the most intelligent – my four daughters have no fear of Global Warming and are breeding like rabbits. However, there is the little problem of Global Cooling……

  35. Fear, uncertainty and doubt on an entirely different planet. Surrealism at its finest: “Letting people do damage for nothing”. Hmm, how to measure the long-term damage inflicted on world psyche by narcissistic dorks on a bender? The naivety and blinkered yet detached pomposity on display at this little shindig is simply breath-taking!

  36. Seeking to create fear in despair in children isn’t the only way that children are used as pawns by believers.

    The Alaska Supreme Court is in the deliberation phase of a lawsuit that is seeking to get the courts to declare the atmosphere a public trust. It is one of 8 cases brought to various states, fronted by children and orchestrated environmental activists. Julia Olson, founder of Our Children’s Trust and architect of this strategy was featured in The Atlantic “Olson and other supporters of the suit believe that having kids as plaintiffs makes a particularly visceral appeal to adults to take action.” http://tinyurl.com/7cezy3f

    I wrote an opinion piece for our local paper ( http://tinyurl.com/lvhld7m ), and dug into this case pretty deeply. In the court documents, two of the children state that they watched “An Inconvenient Truth” in school and became alarmed enough to seek action. “Kids Versus Global Warming” also had an impact. There is an industry out there designed to alarm our children.

  37. I entirely agree – I’m very glad not to be young now.

    Not so much troubled by all the manufactured pseudoproblems, though; it’s more that this young generation is going to have to repeat, in spades, the dreadful struggle against fascism which my parents’ generation thought they’d won. God grant that “we” win this time round.

  38. For those questioning why the original commenter hadn’t done the research: You need to read more carefully.

    He did do the research. He came here.
    If anyone is truly concerned they won’t be pacified by something written on the internet… not unless they critically evaluate it. There are a lot of voices on the internet.

    The parents are doing fine and the kids will be alright.

  39. Too right – adults tell kids there is no hope for the future, that they are doomed to a miserable existence at the edge of survival until the biosphere becomes totally uninhabitable, then we wonder why they smoke drugs and don’t bother with school.

    Crazy.

  40. - If you are not a good little boy/girl and don’t work hard to stop every gramme of CO2, then the bogeyman will come & get you !

    - Daddy, where is all the extra heat you said would destroy us ?
    “It’s hiding …where we can’t see it deeep in the ocean
    …but one day it’s going to jump out and get us ..whoaaa !”

    - So a child that started school in 2000 was told : “when you grow up, it will be so much warmer than now and the planet will be on it’s way to catastrophe”
    - So now in 2013 that child after 13 years of Eco-indoctrination has finished school, they find the temperature is still the same as when they started.
    …… And you wonder why kids hate & despise adults ?

  41. It’s child abuse but here in the UK it is extremely difficult/impossible to get top grades in a range of school subject course-work and exams without trotting out some of the ‘standard’ blatant lies ‘cos they are the required answers!

    Eco-fascist indoctrination runs from age 5 right through into the Universities…

    The thing that puzzles me most though is that some people with high-level science education who were educated before this organised campaign of lies and deceit set in can still believe this eco-crap… They have the tools to dissect and reject this nonsense but many choose not to use them! Most strange…

  42. Goethe was right: “Nothing is more terrifying than ignorance in action.”
    Unfortunately while terror sells magazines it also scars our children’s intellects.

  43. It is indoctrination along the lines of a certain youth brigade from the 1930′s and 40′s and I don’t mean the boy scouts! By creating future generations of alarmists, worriers and botherers the only thing they will do is create confusion in children’s minds. They will be taught one thing and will experience something completely different.

  44. The most important lesson to learn is that scaremongering is a tactic of control, diversion, subversion, subjugation and rabble rousing used by the more powerful on the less powerful.

    A careful study of scaremongering tactics should be part of everyone’s education: sadly as most of us already grown up didn’t get it, we have to learn it on the hoof, starting from the position of credulity and eventually facing the life’s challenge of remaining decent, caring and generous after years of needing to develop a cement exterior to protect that decent, caring and generous nature from the fusillades of scaremongering from this side, that side and from within.

    There are certain common factors to scaremongering waged over a longer time period (of greater than one political/electoral cycle):

    1. The contentions are neither easily shown to be true nor easy to falsify.
    2. The potential, if true, is genuinely scary.
    3. The script is amenable to the messengers of scaremongering (huge headlines, dramatic pictures or videos etc etc)
    4. Significant amounts of money can be made from riding this wave, whether or not the assertions are true or false.
    5. A power coalition of interests can coalesce to form a united front which saturates the airwaves.
    6. Strident intolerance on both sides is usually reached after widespread awareness raising is complete.
    7. Employment ostracism can result from not following the party line.
    8. The information necessary to confirm or refute the hypothesis is available only to the few, often only to the coalition of interest.
    9. The expertise necessary to evaluate the contention may be higher than that of the majority of people.
    10. The money is made not by being right or wrong, but through selling something or other during the period of the scaremongering (you’ll note that the total research spent on warmest hype is far, far higher than on the emerging truths of the more skeptical, carbon traders will have made money on South Sea Futures, large consultancy budgets existed for ‘greening the economy’, whereas none was available to do similar work using the cheapest energy available).

    In my adult life, here is a list of some of the ‘bogeymen’:
    1. The Iranians/the Iraqis are about to bomb us (change the country according to will from 1980 through to 2005).
    2. BSE and vCJD: millions of us will die.
    3. ‘Global Warming’: £100bn and counting wasted on fraudulent research.
    4. Y2K bug – a mythical pile of shit akin to the scam of the century.
    5. Bird Flu – probably engineered in a military lab somewhere and then released to create the scare, which allowed pharma companies to get millions in grants to make vaccines.

    There are probably more.

    What I’ve come to learn is that many people can only make money by creating dependency: they actually aren’t any good at human relations between emancipated adults. As a result, the way for them to get rich is for them to create scares. It’s not very nice, but it’s usually less bad than bombing someone for money, which our Governments have done rather a lot of.

    Then there are the Government scams, false flags.

    Those are the most difficult to elucidate, the least possible to get reliable inside information on.

  45. The first daycare our son was in once had him color in a picture of a cartoon planet earth with a face that was looking very sick and tired. The caption printed on the picture was “The earth has a fever”. For him, this indoctrination was started before he was 2 years old. He did not go to that daycare for long. Even as a student in the 80′s when this was more openly debatable by all sides, I was being taught only the Al Gore version at public school with no hint of a debate or other point of view. This early indoctrination is pervasive.

  46. Oh yeah and the fevered planet earth the daycare had my son coloring in had a thermometer in its mouth. Only one though, so it’s obviously not representative of global average temperatures… ha ha

  47. @ Pat Frank says:
    November 5, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    Maybe it’s getting time for a civil suit against NGOs and other fear-mongering organizations. It’s not hard anymore to show that certain scientists have lied, and I’d expect a subpoena of Climate Action Network documents and minutes would show widespread collusion in planning to introduce fear-causing curriculum materials. There may indeed be a good, factual, and reasonable civil case here for knowing and deliberate psychological abuse of the young.

    *********************************************************************

    Governing (and selling ) thru fear is a time tested, and successful, strategy that goes far beyond the AGW meme. Beware of the saviors who treat us to a never ending parade of hobgoblins, which we are told, can only be vanquished by acceding to their leadership.

  48. About 25 years ago, my 2nd grade niece came home sobbing, having found out from her public school teacher that my brother was going to die from all the bacon and fried chicken wings he cooked. The free market of ideas was never going to work, so vegetarians used government instead. The animal fat = bad meme was planted in the scientific literature in the 1950s. Congress then made it official “Science of the State” in the 1970s and all scientific societies fell in line, human evolution be damned. The backing of some very large corporations did not hurt and having about three million “ministers” in the public school system was just icing on the cake. And contributions are involuntary.

    Environmentalists took their cue from the vegetarians. Climate science is simply a repeat of nutrition science with more destructive effects on mankind.

  49. hunter says: @ November 6, 2013 at 1:55 am
    The opportunity cost alone of wasting $1 billion per day on AGW hype is hurting our children.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Unfortunately it is a heck of a lot worse than that. While distracting us with the “Monster Under the Bed” the burglars were coming in through the basement. Unfortunately it is our children and our grand children who will pay for the REAL damage.

    That $1 billion per day ($60,808,219 a day in the USA) gets tacked on to our National debt. The IMF is getting worried so it has started laying The Groundwork For Global Wealth Confiscation Forbes even quotes the IMF document.

    Think the Cyprus Haircut was bad? That was just the warning shot. The “haircut” on uninsured deposits was set at 47.5% with a further 22.5% locked to be possibly used for completing recapitalization. Local and foreign insurance companies originally excluded from the haircut will take a 27.5% cut and so will charities and private educational institutions. Not to mention the “6.75% tax” on insured deposits. (Data from various sources such as link )

    Forbes: The International Monetary Fund Lays The Groundwork For Global Wealth Confiscation

    The International Monetary Fund (IMF) quietly dropped a bomb in its October Fiscal Monitor Report. Titled “Taxing Times,” the report paints a dire picture for advanced economies with high debts that fail to aggressively “mobilize domestic revenue.”

    It goes on to build a case for drastic measures and recommends a series of escalating income and consumption tax increases culminating in the direct confiscation of assets.

    Yes, you read that right. But don’t take it from me. The report itself says:

    The sharp deterioration of the public finances in many countries has revived interest in a “capital levy”— a one-off tax on private wealth—as an exceptional measure to restore debt sustainability. The appeal is that such a tax, if it is implemented before avoidance is possible and there is a belief that it will never be repeated, does not distort behavior (and may be seen by some as fair). … The conditions for success are strong, but also need to be weighed against the risks of the alternatives, which include repudiating public debt or inflating it away. … The tax rates needed to bring down public debt to precrisis levels, moreover, are sizable: reducing debt ratios to end-2007 levels would require[/b] (for a sample of 15 euro area countries) a tax rate of about 10 percent on households with positive net wealth. (page 49)”

    …That means that all households with positive net wealth—everyone with retirement savings or home equity—would have their assets plundered under the IMF’s formulation.

    Second, such a repudiation of private property will not pay off Western governments’ debts or fund budgets going forward. It will merely “restore debt sustainability,” allowing free-spending sovereigns to keep tapping the bond markets until the next crisis comes along….

    If that is not enough to get your temper up there is this nasty bit of US government lying.

    Government pledges 50% of GDP to bail out Wall Street
    You can be forgiven for thinking that the bailout of Wall Street was limited to the $700 billion plan passed in October. But you would be off by a factor of 10. The actual number is $7.4 trillion, according to Bloomberg News. With GDP at $14.3 trillion, that represents more than half of the sum total of all goods and services produced in the U.S….

    An older report by Bloomberg:
    Fed’s Once-Secret Data Compiled by Bloomberg Released to Public (Includes zip file of spread sheets) First I have seen of that in a news story!

    Brother, Our kids are going to hate us. We just unknowingly sold them into slavery.

  50. Walter

    I have been a vegetarian for many years. Until the last twenty years or so it was considered distinctly odd. The idea that individualistic vegetarians somehow banded together and had the power to change govt thinking so fundamentally is frankly a conspiracy theory too far.
    tonyb

  51. Have you NOTICED that posts with RANDOM capitals sound spittle-flecked and RANTY in your HEAD?

    They only need some random punctuation on the end to qualify for a speakyourbranes mention, if it still exists?

  52. I have no criticism against vegetarians, they don’t have been usually for totalitarian views, so i disagree with Walter.

    Nonetheless recently:
    “German Green Party calls for mandatory weekly vegetarian day”

    http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/german-green-party-calls-mandatory-weekly-vegetarian-day.html#13837502728681&action=collapse_widget&id=653410

    This i believe has much more to do with Leftist Totalitarian views from the Greens than with Vegetarians.

  53. I predict increased scare tactics regardless of global temp evidence as the need to shake loose more campaign money grows in political campaigns. Call it the next great Clinton money play.

  54. First of all National Geographic is an intense, grant earning part of the informal learning focus so this Official Policy. Bought and paid for.

    Secondly, fear is an emotion and targeting CAGW as an emotional, visual issue instead of a rational, facts-needed issue is the whole point. It’s not confined to science either. The OECD defines Successful Intelligence as grounded in feelings precisely because that is what is known to be necessary to prompt action and hopefully change behavior.

    Noetic system sounds like a nerdy word and it is but it is also an essential concept in the arsenal of those who seek social, political, and economic transformation without admitting it. http://www.invisibleserfscollar.com/oh-good-grief-now-i-need-to-know-what-a-noetic-system-is-because-it-is-under-attack/

    This father is writing about a deliberately coordinated attack on his son’s noetic system.

  55. While there are many good reasons not to have children, and many ways technology could make their lives bad or even destroy their futures, man-made global warming is probably not one of them.

    Which isn’t to say that people should have children.

  56. ‘global warming fear is damaging our young’

    I would put forth that it is damaging people of all ages.

  57. I agree that scaremongering towards children is child abuse. Propaganda at its
    worst.
    I say, why can’t it be? :
    “Congratulations children, The Energy sources that fuel our economies and our prosperity, give us long life and comfort, these fossil fuels will also cause our planet to warm gently, about 2C degrees over the next century. What luck!
    With the warmth and extra CO2 for plant life, millions of acres of tundra will become forests. Millions of acres of frozen steppe will become arable. Starvation will end. Prosperity will reach even the poorest people. We must keep searching for and burning oil and coal so we can improve our climate and prosper. Humanity will become wealthy. With this wealth we can preserve habitat for animals, protect the rain forest. We will clean the oceans and the land. Our future is bright. We are entering the age of abundance. “

    But no, there’s no fear in that.
    Mao Tse Toung went for the minds of children as well.
    These marxist autocrats really know what they’re doing.

  58. Sadly, it is all part of the Socialist mantra & ideology, to break down the value of the family unit, & replace the act of turning to parents for answers & solutions, & turning instead to the State for heir answers & solutions to perceived problems, whether real or otherwise! After all it is ultimately what Agenda 21 is all about. I sing with science teacher twice a week, & thankfully being the wonderful person that she is, she always demands her students research & or provide supporting evidence for any statements or claims made in their coursework!

  59. climatereason says November 6, 2013 at 6:32 am

    I have been a vegetarian for many years. Until the last twenty years or so it was considered distinctly odd. The idea that individualistic vegetarians somehow banded together and had the power to change govt thinking so fundamentally is frankly a conspiracy theory too far.
    tonyb

    The above (emphasized for effect in bold) appears to me more ‘distraction’ and is, of course, distinctly representative of your experience and in all likelihood developed in isolation from others … whereas reality and a view with a wider scope shows differently.

    http://www.themilitantvegan.com/

    I’ve made it a goal to talk openly about veganism and to convert her! But of course, at work, I’m careful with my approach. A few weeks ago, I was cleaning out a drawer and found a Mercy for Animals pamphlet about going vegetarian… and I left it on her desk. She told me later that day she was fine until she started seeing the pictures of the animals (in slaughterhouses). Of course!

    Thread: “What type of vegetarian are you?”

    http://quizfarm.com/quizzes/new/faunablues/what-type-of-vegetarian-are-you/

    http://www.sillylittlevegan.com/2013/07/life-as-militant-vegan.html

    Over the course of my transition to becoming vegan, I’ve come to see it as an important thing to use this term (versus plant-based). What veganism actually stands for is something so beautiful, that it’s something that we should be proud of. The root of veganism is compassion towards everyone. It’s about opening your eyes and your heart to the innocent animals that are exploited and killed every single day.

    The above were found very quickly on the first page of a Google search on militant vegans …

    No offence intended, tonyb, but when my animal-loving bird-raising sister because of a choice in ‘lifestyle eating’ begins to exhibit negative symptoms related to said choice, this becomes a little more than just an academic, theoretical subject.

    .

  60. well reasoned arguments from parents and teachers are the only cure for BS media hype. Unfortunately, I have noticed a distinct attitude change in the teaching side – where they are forced to teach a given mantra/agenda/syllabus, etc – often without the correct reasoning to accompany it.
    This is another reason that I will be home schooling my children in the very near term (when the eldest finishes primary school).
    The saddest thing is that it pervades through the media to adults too – just think of all the advertising for healthy margarine spreads and the anti-butter ‘campaigns’ from 30 years ago. Then, what happens?, ‘new’ research says that butter is actually better for you!? WTF?
    You have to take EVERYTHING with a pinch of salt (reduced sodium content, of course!)

  61. Growing up I was very depressed at times as a teen about the real possibility of nuclear war and all the pollution and population problems going on. There seemed to be no hope. I snapped out of it in my late teens when I read a book “The High Frontier” by Gerard K O’Neill. It wasn’t that the book was right on everything or that it would solve all the problems but it looked at problems in a way I’d never thought of and that made me question everything else. The more I questioned the doom the more it showed its true colors. I ceased to be depressed and started having fun with “spot the lies” type of approach to everything I saw on TV or read.

    I hope all those depressed over global warming doom find wuwt because it will snap them out of it.

    Cheers

  62. Meh. We were subjected to all kinds of world-ending fears when I grew up, some of them real possibilities. Nuclear war between the superpowers really could have ended the world as we know it. But, they had other bogeymen to alarm us as well. We were supposed to have run out of oil 28 years ago, according to our Weekly Readers and other classroom propaganda. Overpopulation meant certain mass starvation and planetary ruin.

    Somehow, we made it to the present OK. And, those of us who were subjected to it grew wary of authorities proclaiming doomsday scenarios, pushed them all aside, and delivered unprecedented worldwide prosperity for nearly 30 years before the next generation of lemmings, who had not yet learned the lessons, took the reins. When the light finally dawns on the present population bulge, we will be primed for another era of prosperity.

    That is how it works. History moves in cycles attuned to the distributed memory of the population. I am hopeful that the internet, by extending the timeline of that memory, will smooth out the cycles.

  63. Fear.

    It is on my mind today because of this WUWT thread.

    Just now at a Barnes and Noble Bookstore I was browsing through the new fiction bookcase and ran across the below quote in the preface to the brand new Stephan King novel ‘Doctor Sleep’,

    An old AA saying,

    “FEAR stands for f_ck everything and run.”

    John

  64. ” AlexS says:November 6, 2013 at 7:10 am
    I have no criticism against vegetarians, they don’t have been usually for totalitarian views, so i disagree with Walter.
    This i believe has much more to do with Leftist Totalitarian views from the Greens than with Vegetarians.”

    Thanks AlexS. As a practical vegetarian (B12, EPA/DHA and anything else essential for human health I take) I find it annoying how some fascists like to wrap themselves up in the veggie blanket. Go get your own cover you despicable scum!!

    The vast majority of veggies I know feel it is downright rude to force their food choices on others. Send the militant ones my way because I know how to deal with them and where that argument will end. Poorly for them on all fronts.

  65. _Jim says: @ November 6, 2013 at 8:33 am
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Agreed,
    Veganism can be harmful.

    Do Vegetarians Have Smaller Brains?
    Scientists at the Department of Physiology, Anatomy and Genetics, University of Oxford, have discovered that going veggie could be bad for your brain – with those on a meat-free diet six times more likely to suffer brain shrinkage.

    The study involved tests and brain scans on community-dwelling volunteers aged 61 to 87 years without cognitive impairment…. When the volunteers were retested five years later the medics found those with the lowest levels of vitamin B12 were also the most likely to have brain shrinkage. It confirms earlier research showing a link between brain atrophy and low levels of B12….

    Listing of articles and studies

    Role of red meat in the diet for children and adolescents.

    Meat Eating Behind Evolutionary Success of Humankind, Global Population Spread, Study Suggests

    Simple dumbed down version: How to build a healthy brain?

    Fetal brain development: The role of maternal nutrition, exposures and behaviors

    Intelligence, Evolution of the Human Brain, and Diet

    Frank Talk about Vegetarian, Vegan, and Raw Diets & Beyond

    About schizophrenia and psychosis

    Grass Fed Beef and conjugated linoleic acid

    Conjugated Linoleic Acid Reduces Body Fat Mass in Overweight and Obese Humans (It does work on the Dunlap)

  66. TRM says November 6, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Thanks AlexS. As a practical vegetarian (B12, EPA/DHA and anything else essential for human health I take)

    Imagine what a difference preparing and eating “balanced meals” would make.

    /only mild sarc
    and no offence intended.

    “A Vegan No More – The Story of a Recovering Vegan”
    Opening excerpt:

    Many of you know that I have recently been struggling for the first time in my life with health problems. When I discovered that my problems were a direct result of my vegan diet I was devastated. 2 months ago, after learning the hard way that not everyone is capable of maintaining their health as a vegan, I made one of the most difficult decisions of my life and gave up veganism and returned to eating an omnivorous diet.

    My health immediately returned. This experience has been humbling, eye-opening, and profoundly transformative. To hear the whole story just keep reading…

    Recovering From Veganism and other “Isms”

    Excerpt:

    Veganism worked great for me for about a year. But, soon I began feeling weak and exhausted, and my immune system kept crashing. My blood pressure was scarily low (80 over 50!), and my muscles ached all the time. I was suffering from Adrenal Fatigue.

    Plus, when I was vegan I was highly judgmental of myself and others. I believed if I ate animal products I was harming my soul and would probably go to hell. And, if you were eating a hamburger in front of me … well you were surely going to hell because I was witness and judge to the crime!

    I thought to myself, “Isn’t that just part of nature?” And, my idea of veganism began shifting.

    Besides, I had to listen to my body. I was feeling weak and exhausted, and needed to honor my body with the food it was craving; which was animal meat and fat. A similar way the crocodile eats the water rat, the bear catches salmon from the stream, the bird eats a worm, and the snake eats a frog.

    Those animals are not going to hell – they are just living a natural life, eating what nature provides for them… without judgment.

    .

  67. @rtj211 -
    An excellent summary of how scaremongering works – should be taught in schools, as part of the critical thinking curriculum (that is, if schools nowadays even teach critical thinking – dubious considering how ideologues have turned education so far towards pure indoctrination).

  68. Clovis Marcus says:
    November 6, 2013 at 7:07 am

    Clovis, next time have the balls to direct your comment to the poster you are speaking about.

  69. RE: All the vegan talk.

    Personally, I don’t give a rat’s patoot what other folks prefer for their food. I learned a long time ago that it’s a pointless discussion. I also learned to eat nearly anything that didn’t eat me first (courtesy of the USMC, and a old war). So y’all vegans go do your thing. Ditto, meat eaters, or whatever. Just don’t try to impose your preferences on me. They won’t be welcome.

    Same goes for other cultural taboos/issues such as religion, politics, etc. Y’all go your way, and I’ll go mine.

  70. These idiots need to toughen up and grow a set.

    From my earliest times when I learned of the four minute warning all through my teens, I was pretty sure we wouldn’t live to see the year 2000.

    I expected to hear this announcement on a BBC radio station long before that:

    This is the Wartime Broadcasting Service.

    This country has been attacked with nuclear weapons. Communications have been severely disrupted, and the number of casualties and the extent of the damage are not yet known. We shall bring you further information as soon as possible. Meanwhile, stay tuned to this wavelength, stay calm and stay in your own house.
    Remember there is nothing to be gained by trying to get away. By leaving your homes you could be exposing yourself to greater danger.
    If you leave, you may find yourself without food, without water, without accommodation and without protection. Radioactive fall-out, which follows a nuclear explosion, is many times more dangerous if you are directly exposed to it in the open. Roofs and walls offer substantial protection. The safest place is indoors. Make sure gas and other fuel supplies are turned off and that all fires are extinguished. If mains water is available, this can be used for fire-fighting. You should also refill all your containers for drinking water after the fires have been put out, because the mains water supply may not be available for very long.
    Water must not be used for flushing lavatories: until you are told that lavatories may be used again, other toilet arrangements must be made. Use your water only for essential drinking and cooking purposes. Water means life. Don’t waste it.
    Make your food stocks last: ration your supply, because it may have to last for 14 days or more. If you have fresh food in the house, use this first to avoid wasting it: food in tins will keep.
    If you live in an area where a fall-out warning has been given, stay in your fall-out room until you are told it is safe to come out. When the immediate danger has passed the sirens will sound a steady note. The “all clear” message will also be given on this wavelength. If you leave the fall-out room to go to the lavatory or replenish food or water supplies, do not remain outside the room for a minute longer than is necessary.
    Do not, in any circumstances, go outside the house. Radioactive fall-out can kill. You cannot see it or feel it, but it is there. If you go outside, you will bring danger to your family and you may die. Stay in your fall-out room until you are told it is safe to come out or you hear the “all clear” on the sirens.
    Here are the main points again: Stay in your own homes, and if you live in an area where a fall-out warning has been given stay in your fall-out room, until you are told it is safe to come out. The message that the immediate danger has passed will be given by the sirens and repeated on this wavelength. Make sure that the gas and all fuel supplies are turned off and that all fires are extinguished. Water must be rationed, and used only for essential drinking and cooking purposes. It must not be used for flushing lavatories. Ration your food supply–it may have to last for 14 days or more.
    We shall be on the air every hour, on the hour. Stay tuned to this wavelength, but switch your radios off now to save your batteries. That is the end of this broadcast.

  71. Using children is an admission that the adults and their argument are up the creek…it is all about emotion….they never discuss the science because they can’t. Most really don’t know what is going on.

  72. “_Jim says:November 6, 2013 at 10:50 am”

    All very clear indications of a lack of B12 (and probably more). Vegan I tried once for a month but lack of energy was happening to me within a month. People really need to book up on things before they try them and listen to your body for feedback. Keep a diary. Most importantly don’t just “tough it out” or “stick it out just a bit longer”. One month is plenty to see how you feel. If you don’t feel better switch back.

    Trying to substitute plant based EPA/DHA is faulty as well because it is all short chain and needs to go through a 9 step conversion to long chain before your body makes good use of it. If some enzymes are missing the process stops and you are deficient. Although they have DHA from algae now I’ll stick with the purified fish oil from the south Atlantic derived from small sealife (krill, sardines, etc).

  73. @ M.C. Kinville says: November 5, 2013 at 6:38 pm
    thanks for the link MC – Anthony, worth a look if not see before (a bit out of date but still relevant to the post maybe)

    http://www.nwf.org/pdf/Reports/Psych_Effects_Climate_Change_Full_3_23.pdf

    “The Psychological Effects of Global Warming on the United States: And Why the U.S. Mental Health Care System Is Not Adequately Prepared”
    from – National Forum and Research Report February 2012

    A taster –
    “This report aims both to fill in the gap in our awareness of the psychological impacts
    of climate change, and by exposing the emotional side of the issue, to find the place in
    our hearts that mobilizes us to fly into action, forewarned, determined, relentless. It also
    is a call for professionals in the mental health fields to focus on this, the social justice
    issue of all times, with their capacity to work through denial and apathy, to bring insight
    and commitment before it is too late.”

    we need to keep a list of all these deluded people/org’s some where for criminal damages cases.
    no wonder kids are affected, certain people seem to make a good career from doom & gloom.

  74. Then there’s the 1010 Campaign’s vulgar videos. A warning for those who haven’t seen them, they’re very graphic…

  75. I remember about 4 years ago my niece was about 7 years old and I she actually said she was really scared that the earth was going to burn up, and her mom who is a AGW didn’t dispel any of the fear. All the propaganda truly is scaring young people.

  76. TomB says: @ November 6, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    That’s nothing…. SNAKES…
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    That is truly vicious.

  77. Pat Frank says:
    November 5, 2013 at 5:10 pm
    Maybe it’s getting time for a civil suit against NGOs and other fear-mongering organizations.

    I doubt that such a suit would get a fair trial.

  78. Bart says:
    November 6, 2013 at 10:01 am

    I have read that it was officially announced that we were close to running out of oil in the 1860s.

  79. If God didn’t mean for humans to eat animals, why are they all made up of meat. No seriously, it is is a pet peeve of mine when people try to convince me that humans were not meant to eat meat… and then they show us how rats fare better when consuming plant life instead of bacon. I come back and say if we were not meant to eat meat and only plants, why can we eat grass and thrive? Why can we starve in a forest where other animals thrive?

    I think people’s physiology are not all the same.

    That said, I think a mix of lots of plant varieties and flesh serve me well. After all we are omnivorous.

  80. What you fine people seem to not understand is that there is a direct correlation between CO2 levels/emissions and the global average temperature. Climate change being reported and informed to children is not “terrorism”, “Bullying”, or “playing on the fears of the American people”, as you seem to think. It is merely reporting scientifically proven facts to the American people. And, as we have shown before, these facts are alarming. However, they MUST be alarming in order for them to be acknowledged and addressed by the public at large. And even still, these anecdotal bits of evidence, about how a child cried about global warming, or about how a family killed themselves due to fear of global warming, are irrelevant, because A: they are based upon falsehood or misconceptions, and B: Are not representative of the American people as a whole.
    In addition, to this guy? Mario Lento? The one who talked about his intern and the windmill in front of the budweiser plant? I’m gonna ASSUME you meant a wind turbine, based upon your talking about power-production methods. However, there is a WORLD of difference between a windmill and a wind turbine. A windmill is used for grinding grain or pumping water, while a wind turbine is used for the production of electricity for use in electronic systems. In addition, if the windmill was never turning, it is rather likely that either A: You were going by it at a time when the wind wasn’t blowing, or B: The wind turbine was either poorly installed or poorly placed. Either way, the efficiency of a single wind turbine cannot be used to judge the efficiency of wind turbines as a whole. It is likely that this wind turbine is largely for show, and is not actually meant to fully provide power to the budweiser plant. That, or it is meant to supplement the power the factory gets from your area’s power grid. In fact, the theory that a single wind turbine would have backup systems at all is absurd, considering the fact that a single wind turbine would be almost completely incapable of powering an entire factory, regardless of its size.

  81. Micheal Andrews says:
    November 6, 2013 at 9:19 pm
    +++++++++
    Have you read the memo? You’re confused and sound really ignorant of the fact that there is no global warming as CO2 rises. I know you’re scared… but read the memo. Your comments prove you are the fine person who does not understand.

  82. RobRoy says:
    November 6, 2013 at 7:58 am

    I agree that scaremongering towards children is child abuse. Propaganda at its
    worst.
    I say, why can’t it be? :
    “Congratulations children, The Energy sources that fuel our economies and our prosperity, give us long life and comfort, these fossil fuels will also cause our planet to warm gently, about 2C degrees over the next century. What luck!
    With the warmth and extra CO2 for plant life, millions of acres of tundra will become forests. Millions of acres of frozen steppe will become arable. Starvation will end. Prosperity will reach even the poorest people. We must keep searching for and burning oil and coal so we can improve our climate and prosper. Humanity will become wealthy. With this wealth we can preserve habitat for animals, protect the rain forest. We will clean the oceans and the land. Our future is bright. We are entering the age of abundance. “

    Also, this is literally the most hilariously uninformed thing I have ever seen in my entire life. I can’t decide whether to be furious or laughing.

  83. Excuse me. Tap tap tap. New Guidelines Call for Broad Changes in Science Education

    “Educators unveiled new guidelines on Tuesday that call for sweeping changes in the way science is taught in the United States — including, for the first time, a recommendation that climate change be taught as early as middle school.

    Educators involved in drawing them up said the guidelines were intended to combat widespread scientific ignorance, to standardize teaching among states, and to raise the number of high school graduates who choose scientific and technical majors in college, a critical issue for the country’s economic future.

    The focus would be helping students become more intelligent science consumers by learning how scientific work is done: how ideas are developed and tested, what counts as strong or weak evidence, and how insights from many disciplines fit together into a coherent picture of the world.

    Leaders of the effort said that teachers may well wind up covering fewer subjects, but digging more deeply into the ones they do cover. In some cases, traditional classes like biology and chemistry may disappear entirely from high schools, replaced by courses that use a case-study method to teach science in a more holistic way.”

    Common Core is not state led, but was adopted by states when funding was offered and/or threatened. This so called “holistic science” and the “Common Core” is really a centralized, failed, and ghastly approach to educating children funded by Bill Gates.

    This is the equivalent of allowing the big Unions to regulate and manage smaller, innovative competitors. Every one pays ten times as much for one tenth as much.

  84. Micheal Andrews says:
    November 6, 2013 at 9:22 pm (replying to)

    RobRoy says:
    November 6, 2013 at 7:58 am

    I agree that scaremongering towards children is child abuse. Propaganda at its
    worst.
    I say, why can’t it be? :
    “Congratulations children, The Energy sources that fuel our economies and our prosperity, give us long life and comfort, these fossil fuels will also cause our planet to warm gently, about 2C degrees over the next century. What luck!
    With the warmth and extra CO2 for plant life, millions of acres of tundra will become forests. Millions of acres of frozen steppe will become arable. Starvation will end. Prosperity will reach even the poorest people. We must keep searching for and burning oil and coal so we can improve our climate and prosper. Humanity will become wealthy. With this wealth we can preserve habitat for animals, protect the rain forest. We will clean the oceans and the land. Our future is bright. We are entering the age of abundance. “

    Micheal Andrews says:

    Also, this is literally the most hilariously uninformed thing I have ever seen in my entire life. I can’t decide whether to be furious or laughing.

    OK, I’ll bite: What specifically is inaccurate or incorrect in the words you quoted?
    Oh, by the way, how many millions do YOU want murdered by lack of cheap energy, bad water, no sewage treatment, poor food, no transportation, food, fodder, fuel, or shelter to satisfy YOUR desire for a Utopian landscape of low energy and cold, dark buildings?

  85. Micheal Andrews says:
    November 6, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    What you fine people seem to not understand is that there is a direct correlation between CO2 levels/emissions and the global average temperature.

    Odd things, these facts, you see.
    While CO2 was steady, temperature rose, was steady, and fell by about 0.3 degrees C over a 70 year period.
    While CO2 rose steadily over a 20 year period, temperature fell by about 0.20 degrees.
    While CO2 rose steadily over a 23 year period, temperature rose by about 0.30 degrees.
    While CO2 rose steadily over a 17 year period, temperature remained steady.

    Now, just what is this relationship you claim is so direct?

    Climate change being reported and informed to children is not “terrorism”, “Bullying”, or “playing on the fears of the American people”, as you seem to think. It is merely reporting scientifically proven facts to the American people.

    See above. There is no scientifically proven relationship, merely government-paid bureaucrats paying government-paid PhD’s in government-paid labs using government-paid computers and programers to simulate government-paid research to find reasons to raise 1.3 trillion in new government taxes and government-seeking energy controls.

    And, as we have shown before, these facts are alarming. However, they MUST be alarming in order for them to be acknowledged and addressed by the public at large.

    So, any lie is justified as long as it is your lie, (or exaggeration) that you believe is justified by your life style, as long as your lifestyle is not inconvenienced or threatened.

  86. Micheal Andrews says:
    November 6, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    ++++++++
    Yes you’re correct perhaps you’d be happier if I called them bird slashers. There is more than one wind turbine in the world –many hundreds in view from where I live. They need back up generation because there is more than one of them. This turbine is in fact located in a windy area in south Fairfield. But perhaps you do not understand that the wind needs to be in a narrow range of speed for the turbine to harness the energy and the grid needs to supply energy to get the blades rotating at speed when the wind blows just right for them to operate.

    If these devices were economical, which is the point here, then they would not need huge subsidies, and they would not need to use back up generation to be allowed to provide electricity when they just happen to be turning –and the grid or PGE would not be forced to buy their electricity at guaranteed rates. The backup generation required to be in use needs to be less efficient to ramp up when said wind turbines don’t keep up.

    Without subsidies, there would not be a wind turbine market. Only fools would but them in areas where the grid could otherwise supply ample lower cost electricity.

  87. Go, Mario and R. A.!

    After your excellent schooling, the only reason for confusion would be emotional blindness to facts or….. intellectual impairment.

    “Furious or laughing” …..

    I guess rational thought just kind of gets run over as his mind madly dashes back and forth. Sort of a Furious-Laughing oscillator.

  88. My guess: The poor fellow lives in the middle of a windmill farm. He used to spell his name Michael. Very sad.

    Treatment: Just pat him on the back and tell him Mom will pick him up in an hour…. when the big hand is on the… . Bwah, ha, ha, ha, haaaaaaa! ;)

  89. Hi Janice. At least Micheal Andrews admits for all of us to see that his words are not based in truth. That Micheal Andrews does not have any idea what the global temperatures have been this century suggests that his “useful mind” is under the control of other people who seek weak minded messengers to convince other similarly ignorant people to follow him. What’s sad is that once exposed to the truth, I am convinced he will not accept it.

    Janice, Is there hope that once Micheal Andrews takes a look at the temperature records, he can come to understand that the truth is not as scary as the fears implanted into his mind?

  90. Micheal Andrews writes: “Also, this is literally the most hilariously uninformed thing I have ever seen in my entire life. I can’t decide whether to be furious or laughing.”
    +++++++
    We understand that you can’t decide. You’ve made that clear. And we want to help you by freeing your mind. Look at the claims you made while looking at some temperature records over the past 20 years. If this does not solve your indecision, then you should be scared.

  91. Hi, Mario!

    No. Mr. Andrews’ only hope is that God will work a miracle in his brain. A mind that tightly closed can be opened only from the outside. Sad but true.

    Way to go making the case for the truth! Others WILL objectively and honestly consider what you wrote above. Even if only one person is directed onto the path of truth and light from the path through the dark swamp of lies, your effort was worth it.

    I am grateful that you (and several other wonderful people) are here on WUWT. Whenever I get kicked by one of the donkeys that occasionally post, here, I do 2 things: 1) consider the source; and 2) remember the kind things people like you have said — and I decide to come back.

    Thank you.

    Janice

    [And now Mario's, donkeys, and kicking ... All in the same post? 8<) Mod]

  92. Greg says:
    November 5, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    GeneDoc says:
    I keep harping on this point: Stop scaring the children. It is stupid and debilitating, leading to nihilistic attitudes that can be very damaging.

    ===

    Nihilistic indeed. I grew up no expecting to see the age fo 40.
    The threat of imminent desctruction

    “… destroyed my ability to spell”??

  93. The Andrews post highlights the potent appeal that a simplistic equation can exert. Consider that for him it is now dead easy to decide any public or personal matter: “Does it produce more CO2?” Yes = bad, No = good.

    Simple, and wrong. With horrific consequences for the world’s poor.

  94. Janice Moore says:
    November 6, 2013 at 10:30 pm
    ++++++++
    Well stated Janice. Because you are impeccable with your words, and your intellect allows you to discuss and appreciate technical matters, your posts help separate the wheat from the chaff for many. Sometimes I read your summaries and then jump to the posts that led to them. So, in a way, you’ve created some “editor’s choice” microcosm’s within the wildly entertaining commentaries.

  95. Mods’ says:
    [And now Mario's, donkeys, and kicking ... All in the same post? 8<) Mod]
    +++++++++
    Excellent – I didn't see that connection until your self-moderated post! Kids seem to love the name Mario and almost always ask if I have a brother Luigi.

  96. Oh, Mod-er-a-tor, (re: 10:30pm last night) — cute. And I never even PLAYED Donkey Kong (my younger brothers did). Heh, heh, as I write this…. I CAN STILL HEAR THE ZANY LITTLE THEME SONG from it!!! It was fun to watch them play for a few minutes. Perhaps, my subconscious concocted that post! Thanks for a fun comment.

    THANK YOU, MARIO! You are generous and kind. Thanks for some much-needed encouragement.

  97. Well this happened to me since I was a young buck, All the stories books mags media reports had me worried since the late 80s that we would never see snow again when i’m older and this was aggravated by the warm snowless winters of the late 80s-early 90s (1988-1992).I would love to see a “global warming demolition night” where all the kids that were “indoctrinated” since that era thru now band together at some concert or sporting event like the 1979 disco demolition night in july 1979 and gather all books,movies,magazines,and any doomsday articles about the future, wrought by human activities and destroy them in one giant bonfire like the 1979 event where tons of disco records were destroyed.

  98. Global Warmists are selfish, greedy, hypocritical and heartless. Scaring children is their speciality because they can’t deal with adult sceptics – they always run away crying, screaming and wetting their pants.

  99. TomB says:
    November 6, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    That’s nothing. If you really want to scare the kids, warn them of the GIANT SNAKES!!!

    Here’s a film title (about the gravy-trainers):

    Snakes on a Train

  100. I’ll sum it up here.

    AGW fear mongering leads to damaging our children now through fear while spending money that will be paid back by these children. It also attempts to set the childrens’ behavior such that it guarantees their futures to be filled with poverty and saddled with debt that cannot be paid.

    A crime of ignorance is still a crime.

  101. yup i agree 100% with Mario Lento and Jimbo. Bring on global warming demolition night, gather all books,articles,movies of “The Inconvenient Truth”,magazines,etc and promote an event where they could be destroyed like 1979′s disco demolition night with the disco records.Maybe global warming demolition night may take place on an unseasonably hot night.

  102. Georgie: Let’s remember that there is a certain religion (of which CAGW is one) that will do terrible things to those who burn their book. The back lash could be terrible. But then again, the cause would be the opposite of terrible, I say burn-em (the CAGW paraphernalia) at least metaphorically :)

  103. NO! Do not burn the books. If you do they can easily rewrite history. Heck they have done that in my life time.

    Here is an example: http://www.maggiesnotebook.com/history-of-democrat-racism/

    I am old enough to remember when all this happened the conversations on the subjects around the dinner table.

    Besides I can not bear to even toss out paperbacks and that includes a $0.50 used coppy of Gore’s Earth in The Balance.

    As far as children go, we tell parents to home school. Even if they have to ‘learn’ the global warming stuff it provides an excellent example of beware of propaganda and the people who peddle it.

  104. Gail Combs says:
    November 8, 2013 at 5:52 am:
    ++++++++++++
    Of course, burning books is not the solution, which is why I tossed in (metaphorically).

  105. I’m surprised nobody has mentioned the great AIDS terror of around 1990. Anyone who had sex was going to die, if you listened to the hype. I didn’t, in spite of being preached at incessantly by ‘well-meaning’ bien-pensant friends: just the same earnest types who now believe in environmentalism and all the AGW hype.

    I did enough research to understand that catching AIDs from having sex was almost entirely due to practicing anal intercourse – whether gays in the West, or in Africa where they use that method for contraception. The however media went into government and UN driven overdrive about the apocalyptic dangers of AIDS; hard to grasp unless you were around at the time and sexually active. Nobody mentions it now of course; nobody admits how completely the ‘establishment’ was taken in.

    Veganism and Vegetarianism:


    “I have been a vegetarian for many years. Until the last twenty years or so it was considered distinctly odd. The idea that individualistic vegetarians somehow banded together and had the power to change govt thinking so fundamentally is frankly a conspiracy theory too far.
    tonyb ”

    As others have pointed out, many vegetarians and esp vegans are evangelical to the point of fanaticism. Just like the AGW brigades, they make it a moral crusade, implying that anyone who doesn’t follow their creed. I’m very involved in animal rescue, so I bump up against a lot of this esp on Facebook

    But their individual efforts pale beside the manoeuvrings of the giant agrochemical businesses such as Monsanto, Bayer, and Sygentia. These multinational entities which have their operatives in key political positions in many countries, and esp the United States, do indeed have the power to change government thinking, and they put billions into the process, with great success.

    They have now all but cornered the market in vegetarian foods, since they are responsible for 90% of the soy and corn grown in North America, much of the vegetarian fats such as canola, and a very large % of the wheat and legumes – over 80%.

    All these foodstuffs so beloved of vegetarians are now almost exclusively GMOs, laced in chemicals and bred to be sterile. Tests have shown that rats won’t eat the stuff. Many of my American vegetarian friends are sick, with celiac disease, autoimmune disorders, ME/CFS, anxiety-related conditions, and other long term sicknesses. Trying to persuade them that their animal-free /vegan diets might be to blame is a waste of time. They are ‘Believers’, see, and ethically driven? They are all liberals and environmentalists, of course – and subscribe to the AGW meme.

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