On the cover of the Rolling Stone? Not quite, but I did get a single word in

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Jeff Goodell

Rolling Stone’s Jeff Goodell demonstrates what a biased journalist he is.

My first impression was to ignore the request for interview from Rolling Stone’s Jeff Goodell last week, after all, RS has pretty much blown what credibility they had after making a terrorist bomber a front page teen heartthrob.

But, I said to myself, “it’s my duty to reach people I might not ordinarily reach”. So, I responded in good faith. In exchange, I got slimed by Goodell.

Here’s the email exchange I had with him: 

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From: Jeff Goodell
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 8:39 AM
To: Anthony Watts
Subject: Re: ANSWERS Re: Rolling Stone inquiry

thanks for this.

J

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Jeff Goodell
Contributing Editor, Rolling Stone
518-xxx-xxxx
@jeffgoodell
On Sep 3, 2013, at 5:04 PM, “Anthony Watts” wrote:

My view is that AR5 is going to stillborn, mainly because it is already outdated by new science that won’t be included.
There have been 19 separate peer reviewed papers published in climate sensitivity to CO2 by 42 scientists since January 1, 2012 all describing a lower climate sensitivity.

There have been recent revelations in journals (Yu Kosaka & Shang-Ping Xie Nature 2013  and de Freitas &McLean, 2013 International Journal of Geosciences) that demonstrate ENSO (El Niño) in the Pacific is responsible for the 15 plus years of global warming slowdown known as “the pause”. These two papers strongly suggest natural variability is still the dominant climate control.

Then there is the lack of reality matching what the climate models tell us, such as this leaked graph from an AR5 draft:

Original from AR5 draft: http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/ipcc_ar5_draft_fig1-4_with.png

Annotated version: http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/ipcc-ar5draft-fig-1-4.gif

All this while global CO2 emissions have been growing steadily. The lack of temperature match to models, “the pause”, combined with these new ENSO findings tell us that global warming has gone from a planetary crisis to a minor problem in a Banana Republic where only a few vocal science rebels are arguing for immediate intervention.

The costs of mitigating the perceived problem are also staggering compared to the benefit, as the 50:1 project demonstrates:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw5Lda06iK0

best regards,

Anthony Watts
Editor, WUWT
530-xxx-xxxx

—–Original Message—– From: Jeff Goodell
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 10:41 AM
To: awatts@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Rolling Stone inquiry

Name: Jeff Goodell
Email: jeffgoodell@xxxxx.xxx
Message: Hi Anthony

I’m a writer for Rolling Stone, working on piece about upcoming IPCC report. I’m checking in with a few people to get their views on how they think it will be received.  Thoughts?

Thanks

Jeff

Time: September 3, 2013 at 10:41 am

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And what did I get for my effort? A single word. Here is the paragraph where I appear:

But, of course, this is nothing new. In 2007, when the IPCC released its Fourth Assessment Report, it was also nearly certain that human activity was heating up the planet, with grave consequences for our future well-being. And six years before that, when the IPCC released its Third Assessment, scientists were pretty certain about it too. But phrases like “high confidence” in warming do not, to the unscientific ear, inspire high confidence in the report’s finding, since they imply the existence of doubt, no matter how slight. And in the climate wars, “Doubt is what deniers thrive on and exploit,” says Bob Watson, who was head of the IPCC from 1997 to 2002. The final report has not even been released yet, and already prominent bloggers in the denial-sphere, like Anthony Watts, are calling it “stillborn.

(added) What is most galling, is that Goodell asked me for my opinion prior the release of the IPCC AR5 report, then chastises me in his article for giving it. Whatta guy. (/end add)

Meanwhile, full quotes exist in the article from Naomi Oreskes, Rajendra Pachauri, Bob Watson, Anthony Leiserowitz,  Ben Santer, blogger Joe Romm, and last but not least the anonymous tweeting person(s) behind Organizing for Action, the successor of President Obama’s 2012 re-election campaign.

Besides giving liberal use of the word “denier” in the most derogatory way possible, the article also mentions “Why the City of Miami is Doomed to Drown“. Where he fantasizes about the year 2030.

Read it all here: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/global-warming-is-very-real-20130912?print=true

I suppose it’s par for the course from people that can’t tell the difference between water vapor from cooling towers and “carbon emissions”.

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The stupid, it burns!  http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/global-warmings-denier-elite-20130912

My single word with a “denier” label to my name is what I get for talking to “The Delinquent Teenager” crowd as if they were adults I suppose. I suggest that anyone who encounters Jeff Goodell in any future interview request, simply not respond – he’s shamelessly biased, fine with hatefully labeling people he doesn’t agree with, runs in the company of fools that can’t tell pollution from non-pollution, and now proven himself to be not worth the effort.

UPDATE: Shortly after I wrote this article, Goodell took notice on his Twitter feed, and shortly after that, the erroneous caption was replaced along with a different photo of the same power station in Germany, but with no explanation as to the error. Here’s what it looks like now:

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247 thoughts on “On the cover of the Rolling Stone? Not quite, but I did get a single word in

  1. Actually, the caption to the photograph of the towers is wrong. Those are not carbon emissions but steam escaping from cooling towers. I could be wrong, but Carbon is usually found in smoke, I thought..

  2. Bill Hayes says:
    September 12, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    Awww Bill, you beat me to it! Yes that is steam – you know the vapor phase of H2O. Hey Rolling Stone, let me know where those carbon atoms are! ROTFL!!!

  3. No worries, Anthony. The half dozen or so Rolling Stone readers who don’t skip right past that article probably weren’t savable to begin with.

  4. Sadly, that has been my experience over 15 years on food/ag policy and ANYTHING scientific: Biotechnology, animal husbandry, pesticides, etc. I hate to say it, but I think the media game as it is currently set up is a losers game. Fox is only concerned with Washington horse races and pretty much all the rest outside of some specialist press is a bunch of dishonest, meme-driven Lefty wackos. John Stossel is the ONLY guy I worked with who I felt comfortable with and thought was a seriously straight shooter.

  5. Anthony, I believe you were correct in your first impression. In my humble view, If there was ever a case to use a barge pole, this was it.

  6. “Carbon Emissions from a power plant?” Wow, the technology certainly has changed. That looks uncannily like water vapour to me.

  7. look at those carbon chemtrails!
    eternal sunshine of the untethered mind.
    don’t burst their bubble – there’s nowhere else they can survive!
    hmm…
    *looks for some needles*

  8. Yes the Rolling Stone Magazine, a paragon of scientific prominence. I have never touched, let alone looked at, the pages of Rolling Stone. I didn’t say “read” since I wasn’t sure that they had anything in their pages to read until you printed the above excerpt.

    Anyway, the rolling stone, al gore…etc…the thief and liar Peter Gleick, Mann, Jones….they are the voices of Global Warming. I say let them talk but don’t give the rolling Stone any more exposure. It is a failing cartoon rag and I’d like to see it out of print. Don’t link to it.

    Don’t mention any of the writers etc. let them fade into oblivion.

  9. Yeah, what you see there is steam. Of course, even though you can’t see it, CO2 is also being emitted. Just as it is emitted when we breathe out. So we are all actually emitted “carbon emissions.” It’s just the attempt to label something, make the tribe hate what you have labelled.

  10. You give too much credit to the Rolling Stone as a magiizine to be respected. The Rolling Stone hated Led Zepellin for years. If they can not get the music right..as a music magizine, Why do you care about their climate views?

    You have a burning desire to be liked by those who will never like you.

  11. I guess Anthony fits in with the propagandist category of that headline, amongst the politicians and polluters. Being associated with polluters is an injury, but Anthony does not deserve to be joined with the politicians. That is a real insult, and almost unforgivable.

  12. The Rolling Stone is exactly what you state it to be, a biased, erroneous rag that cannot tell the difference between steam and CO2. What else could anyone expect from a hyped up rag that foisted that last front page. onto the public They even bragged about it’s attention grabbing ability, like it would actually grant them some credibility. The arrogance and ignorance is astounding.

  13. Who is James Galt?

    Reply: Cryptic or just wrong? We’ll never know. ~ ctm (guest appearance–crawling back under rock now)

  14. Keitho says:
    September 12, 2013 at 12:33 pm
    “It doesn’t matter what they do Anthony they can’t change reality. As for RS, B-Ark people.”

    I too was thinking of THHGTTG. The bit where the Book reference on humans gives “harmless.” A single word entry which Ford Prefect upgrades to “mostly harmless.” And yes, this sort of guy will be the first… when the revolution comes. LOL.

  15. Some music for the ‘event’ – “Cover Of The Rolling Stone” – Dr.Hook

    Well, we’re big rock singers
    We got golden fingers
    And we’re loved everywhere we go…(That sounds like us)
    We sing about beauty and we sing about truth
    At ten thousand dollars a show…(Right)
    We take all kinds of p**** that give us all kind of thrills
    But the thrill we’ve never known
    Is the thrill that’ll getcha when you get your picture
    On the cover of the Rollin’ Stone

    Chorus:
    (Rollin’ Stone…) Wanna see my picture on the cover
    (Stone…) Wanna buy five copies for my mother…(Yes)
    (Stone…) Wanna see my smilin’ face
    On the cover of the Rollin’ Stone…

  16. Anthony, you are being too nice to the PC crowd.

    I would have asked Jeff if he knew his BUTT from a BTU, cause, it IS all about the science.

  17. Regardless of what happens with climate change, sooner or later Miami will be wiped off the map by an extremely powerful hurricane, as will New Orleans. It is just a matter of time, whether it be five years, fifty years, or five-hundred years.

    Whenever it happens, the other thing we can be sure of is that the federal government will step forward to cover the cost of the losses, thus discouraging current residents from considering a move to higher ground; and if the worst happens, encouraging the rebuilding of the city pretty much in the same place it is now.

  18. These Green Believers know they are going to get p’owned when the IPCC report comes out and has already been killed by The Pause. This is desperation, a surprise attack, a loser’s cry.

    The media is turning on them, the economic realities of their public policy disasters are coming home to roost and they are being forced to scream the same old chants just louder and louder.

  19. Besides giving liberal use of the word “denier” in the most derogatory way possible, the article also mentions “Why the City of Miami is Doomed to Drown“. Where he fantasizes about the year 2030.

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    Look at the bright side, this gent will be still be around more than likely in 2030. He forgot the prime directive of alarmist predictions/projections (same thing IMHO) make sure the date is far enough in the future that you cannot be called up on it.

    Stick this one in the “alarmist prediction file” and let it simmer for 17 years.

    Tom

  20. Might I rewrite a portion of this paragraph from Jeff Goodell:
    ‘But, of course, this is nothing new. In 2007, when the IPCC released its Fourth Assessment Report, it was also nearly certain that human activity was heating up the planet…’

    But, of course, sliming Anthony Watts is nothing new in our behavior. In 2009 or 10 we also slimed General McCrystal with a totally fabricated report where we claimed he slimed President Obama. A Rolling Stone gathers lots of slime. Not moss.

  21. Anthony, I disagree when you say exchanging ideas with reporters may be a waste of effort. If or when the light bulb comes on with folks like Mr. Goodell, and they’re intellectually honest, they can refer to what you wrote and perhaps think twice about the next contention with “consensus”. You’ve staked your position with clarity and without ad hominem attacks – you’ve maintained the higher ground. Karma can be a bitch but it can also be rewarding.

  22. The spontaneously informal hiring boycott of contemporary rolling stoners had already achieved double digit percent success now that it’s so easy for small companies to check in on how badly job candidates have failed the IQ test that climate alarm presented. The trend remains the same! Outspoken hatred of critical reason is feral enough to qualify for a now formal boycott of all support of those who promote it.

  23. You’ll never win against Rolling Stone or MTV. They are both on the front lines of the forces we are fighting against, since they are openly aimed at teens in a vulnerable state of mind.

    Nice play by Jeff, pretending to actually give a crap about researching anything. If only people like that had a shred of honesty or the slightest capability for critical thinking…

  24. For some reason, my son began receiving this rag at my address FOR FREE. Their circulation must be very low to give issues away. I called them and cancelled it anyway

  25. From the article …
    Rajendra Pachauri, the head of the IPCC, recently told a group of climate scientists that if we want to avoid this fate, governments must act now to cut carbon pollution: “We have five minutes before midnight.”

    From Wikipedia …
    The Doomsday Clock is a symbolic clock face, maintained since 1947 by the board of directors of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists at the University of Chicago. The closer the clock is to midnight, the closer the world is estimated to be to global disaster.

    The last update to the Doomsday Clock was in 2012. The cause was, “Lack of global political action to address nuclear weapons stockpiles, the potential for regional nuclear conflict, nuclear power safety, and global climate change.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_Clock

    There’s more to worry about than climate just change.

  26. It may seem like Lucy and the football, but I think it is not a complete loss. This blog post itself will be read by people searching for actual answers, few and far between as they may be. And, the internet is forever. Some years from now, when the entire fiasco has met its timely demise, it will be included in the case file which discredits the doomsayers, and ensures we will never have to endure such a debasement of science again.

  27. His article should be bombarded with comments and his inbox filled with complaints, let alone the editor’s inbox. That is what to expect from a low information writer if you can call him that.

    Once again, they get away with fraud due to the disorganization of the skeptical house.

    What a waste of PC02 footprint this trash is coming out of the Rolling Stoned (no typo) people!

    I propose, once again, the development of a Union of Concerned Scientists and Citizens against Fraudulent Science.

    Look folks, there are many many people who get paid to post supportive information on most sites that have anything to do with climate change. They are a well organized machine which has reach far and wide in media and government and the paid scientific community. Just look how long it took Hansen (I believe) to get a peer reviewed paper, as a response to another that undermined his prior paper, through the process.

    We have a bunch of inidividuals working independently for the same cause, Truth!

    Why not work together in a formal structure to have a bigger impact?

    Just sayin it again……….step up or step out of the way………….

  28. “I suppose it’s par for the course from people that can’t tell the difference between water vapor from cooling towers and “carbon emissions”

    So, in the analogy, “water vapor From cooling towers” would be their, uh, butts, and “carbon dioxide” would be a hole in the ground, right?

  29. Let the cultists keep digging their hole deeper and deeper. Sooner or later everyone will know who the real deniers are.

  30. If you are reading this Jeff Goodell please note: Is it not scientifically odd that the longer the temperature standstill continues the more certain the IPCC is that man is responsible for the recent rise in global warming? Most of their climate models did not project this standstill. What if the world cools? Will you apologise to Anthony Watts? Do you have the integrity to do this?

  31. Comment from the “Miami Is Doomed” article.

    William Head
    • 3 months ago

    I’ll bet anything the guy who wrote this masturbates while watching “the Day After Tomorrow”

  32. Just to show that those years of chemical engineering studies were not completely wasted, I have to pick nits with Frank K’s comment “Yes that is steam – you know the vapor phase of H2O.” The technical reality is that steam is water vapor, a gas, and is invisible. The visible form, nicknamed commonly but incorrectly as “steam”, is actually condensed water vapor and is made up of water droplets, not vapor.

    IanM

  33. Rolling Stone Magazine still using print media.
    Still trying to Flog old boring Environmentalist Alarmist out of touch sanctimonious misery Dead Horse Drivel.
    Watts Up with That biggest Climate Change Blogging site in the World.
    2 Million internet subscribers world wide every month .Does that not rather tell you something.

    Rolling Stones is old nostalgic 1960s Jagger /Dylanesque who got old fat rich and Middle Class Counter Culture Radical Rock .The Grateful Dead are old enough to be dead . Why middle aged Punks and Hippies love yesterdays news AGW .It plays to their old established smug vanities.

    Even the name Rolling Stone, anyone under 30 would not know what that is supposed to mean.

    Todays youngster they want Rhianna Jay Z Twitter Itunes Celebrity TMZ Paris and Perez Hilton Kim Kardazian Bling MTV Instantaneous infotainment culture.

    Anthony your story is you got out of Television and then got Online.Who needs a TV studio and a Printing Press when you only require a Keyboard and a Mouse.

    We have embraced major mass free speech internet based political opportunity.Why mainstream politics and media are so scared of Climate Change Skepticism

  34. Anthony, I think some of the commenters to this post have been ill informed.

    When they refer to Rolling Stone “readers”, is it not a prerequisite for “readers” to be able to read?

  35. Anthony: Look at it from the point of view that when people like Goodell slime you, it is because they fear you and your message. When I get into internet discussions with CAGW types, it always gets personal before its over. It’s just like when one criticizes Obama, his supporters never want to discuss the issues, just WHY they think you are criticizing his performance, your a racist.

  36. As long as they spell your name correctly you win. Simple, but true. How many people will see your name and google it? How many will come here and read? How many will then watch the 50-1 interview with you? If the answer to any of the above is one or greater you win.

  37. Anthony, I am not sure that cooling towers are not contributing to global warming if the makeup water to the towers is from no or slow to recharge aquifers. This is especially true for recirculating mechanical draft evaporative cooling towers where the effluent is water vapor and aerosols. The heat removed from the process streams is transferred to the atmosphere in the form of latent heat in the effluent from the cooling tower.

    Since the water from no or slow to recharge aquifers is not in equilibrium with the atmosphere the heat is added for one cycle. Since the industries using cooling towers operate 24/7, the heat is therefore added to the atmosphere continuously. The amount of produced ground water from no or slow to recharge aquifers amounts to about 1000 cubic km3 per year including cooling towers and irrigation for food and fodder.

    It most certainly is not carbon dioxide emitting from mechanical draft cooling towers but I do believe that it does add heat to the atmosphere.

  38. Who knows, maybe just one RS reader will be curious about Anthony and come to this blog. That one person tells another, who tells another…

  39. When you’ve got an effectively infinite supply of pearls, why not cast a few fistfuls before the swine?

    After all, some of ‘em might well choke….

  40. IMHO Rolling Stone stopped actually rolling years ago. – it has gathered so much moss over the recent years the moss has turned to a thick layer of Peat!

  41. None of us really have to convince the alarmists anymore. We can ignore them. The current weather records are already proving them wrong and will continue to do so for decades to come. Those alarmists who remain unconvinced as things cool down will be ignored and marginalized within the very near future. Magazines like the Rolling Stone will simply move on to other “causes” as they slowly discover that no one is interested any longer in the “grave consequences” of global warming.

    Additionally, all the IPCC can do now if they stick to the same meme is to embarrass and discredit themselves. It all will happen soon enough. We can have complete confidence in it.

  42. The BBC and the Guardian here in the UK like to use cooling tower steam to scare people.

    As for Rolling Stone.

    OT. When I were a lad, R & B meant Muddy Waters and Howling Wolf. WTF is it now?

  43. I’ve been thinking about it and cooling towers may actually remove a small amount of CO2 from the atmosphere. Any CO2 that dissoves into the water is likely to precipate out by reacting with the pH contol agent.

    How’s that for ironing?

  44. Bart says:
    September 12, 2013 at 1:12 pm
    ….. ….. ….. Some years from now, when the entire fiasco has met its timely demise, it will be included in the case file which discredits the doomsayers, and ensures we will never have to endure such a debasement of science again.
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    Bart, you are a good soul, but science will be debased in exactly the same way – again – whenever a group think “Ah – an iron rice bowl! (With gold plating for me!!)”, and can get enough politicos [Politics is the second oldest profession, I understand, and is closely allied to the only senior profession] to also see jam and Nobels in the offing.

    Auto, in a particularly realistic frame of mind

  45. If you can see it as steam you’re looking at teeny tiny liquid water droplets. As in clouds and fog. If it is water vapor it is colorless, odorless, and tasteless and you can’t see it.

  46. Look at it this way Anthony. You might have a smaller audience than Rolling Stone but the sum of the IQ numbers at WUWT is far greater.

  47. What kind of man would freely choose to hang the albatross of “propagandist” around his neck? Never mind that he does not understand what Anthony told him. That excuses nothing. He did not have to insult Anthony with the “D” word. He did not have to treat Anthony as a type rather than as a person with a unique and valuable perspective.

    No more counterculture heroes like Hunter Thompson at Rolling Stone. Nothing but brats these days.

  48. If it’s any consolation, Goodell could have written exactly the same thing about you without making any contact at all, and with equal justification. So he needlessly wasted his time. Unfortunately, he also wasted yours….

  49. I guess Anthony falls under the ‘propogandists’ moniker. There is no periodical more biased than Rolling Stone. And they think they’re hipster rebels.

  50. Ian L. McQueen says:
    September 12, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Just to show that those years of chemical engineering studies were not completely wasted, I have to pick nits with Frank K’s comment “Yes that is steam – you know the vapor phase of H2O.” The technical reality is that steam is water vapor, a gas, and is invisible. The visible form, nicknamed commonly but incorrectly as “steam”, is actually condensed water vapor and is made up of water droplets, not vapor.

    How about wet steam and dry steam? And superheated steam. All those are generally treated as forms of pure water. Wet steam has water droplets. Dry steam is either saturated, where any cooling will produce droplets, or supersaturated, where substantial cooling has to occur before droplets appear.

    Mixed with air, I suppose the same terminology works, but after the battle years ago over CO2 frost and phase diagrams, I’m reluctant to expound on that. Power plant turbines generally don’t want air in their superheated steam, cooling towers are designed to use air to remove waste heat.

  51. @Allencic and others on the water vaopr issue.

    It starts out as water vapor in the evaporative process, turns to cloud sized micro droplets through the accretion process on the way up the tower, making it visible, then turns back to colorless water vapor through further evaporation.

    The net product of cooling towers is water vapor, not “carbon emissions”.

  52. We wonder how others could be so oblivious to 15 years of convincing, authentic data that includes temperatures not warming, global climate models all too warm, vegetative health and crop yields/food production exploding upwards, Antarctic ice not melting, oceans barely rising, violent tornadoes decreasing, hurricanes less frequent, polar bears flourishing………just to name a few.
    There are many reasons. One of which is that global science religion is being in indoctrinated into our young people from the earliest age. My 2nd grade grand daughter’s science book last year, taught the children about CO2 pollution, global warming and man made climate change. They are being brainwashed from that young age, all the way to higher education, where most environmental science classes in college finalize the brainwash.

    Brainwash victims process all new information based on the assumptions that they think were obtained from being educated about man made climate change and CO2.

    Items that confirm this assumption are stored as knowledge in their brains. Things that contradict this assumption are discarded as garbage. The reality is that even when the evidence is lopsided to the side that contradicts, they will choose to believe what their brainwash tells them is the truth.

    We think that the truth busting out from every aspect of climate science has got to overcome this. I’m very hopeful but this thing is like a religion.

    How many people believe in God and will always believe in God without the concrete scientific evidence to prove it? This is why it’s based on and called “faith”. In religion, faith is everything.
    Once people develop “faith” in something, it’s incredibly much more difficult to talk them out of it then it was for them to initially accept it.

    To millions of people, climate science is based on faith.

    It’s especially frustrating when we try to talk authentic science with someone that believes in this faith. Even worse when that someone has the ability to influence many others by sharing their faith in man made climate change.

    Eventually, the worlds climate “snake oil” salesman will be forced to retreat after being bombarded with too much irrefutable, real world data that they run out of ways to twist and spin it to support concepts that have been debunked for some time now.

    It seems like we should be on the verge of that right now. However, would we expect President Obama to come out before his 2nd term is up and announce that the latest data suggests we should not act so hastily?
    Instead, he will continue on the same path and those that already agree with him, will have the minds that readily accept his words and discard those that contradict it.

    Anthony, all we can do is act with integrity and do our best to treat others with respect, while being honest with them. How they respond is on them.

  53. At least you have a forum by which you can reasonably reply.

    What a bunch of whackos at that magazine. I wouldn’t have agreed to talk to them.

  54. Good on you, Anthony! As another commenter said, one person may look you up. An enquiring mind may just check out what you’re saying, its all worth it.

  55. “My first impression was to ignore the request for interview from Rolling Stone’s Jeff Goodell last week,…”
    ========
    Sorry, can’t resist…..

    You need to listen to that voice in your head.

    Its hindsight is 20/20, especially after the fact :)

  56. Bart says: @ September 12, 2013 at 1:12 pm
    ….. ….. ….. Some years from now, when the entire fiasco has met its timely demise, it will be included in the case file which discredits the doomsayers, and ensures we will never have to endure such a debasement of science again.
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    Auto says: @ September 12, 2013 at 2:17 pm
    Bart, you are a good soul, but science will be debased in exactly the same way…
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
    …as it has been before.

    As long as there is greed for Money, Power, and Fame and there are the mediocre suck-ups who ride on the coattails of the power grabbers you are always going to have fiascoes like this.

    Or best hope is that Anthony is part of a long line of humans with honesty and integrity and passion who will counter these parasites and that they have the means to do so.

    ….In Russia during the Soviet era, “forbidden” works of literature and political criticism were produced and circulated through a system known as “samizdat.” Those who received a manuscript would do so with the implied promise that they would type out five carbon copies before passing it on. And why not use a copier or mimeograph machine? Simply because private ownership of these devices was illegal….

    Today, in what we like to call “the Free World,” computers, printers and copiers are abundant. Instead of furtive painstaking hours at the typewriter, “underground” texts can be duplicated in disks and CDs a few seconds. Accordingly, Soviet-style control of ideas and information by the authorities is no longer possible. Most significantly, perhaps, the computer has given us, via the internet, an “American Samizdat.”

    Of course, as anyone familiar with the internet is aware, ninety-plus percent of the pages therein offer pure, certifiable junk — porn sites, right-wing rants, commercial promotions, etc. Furthermore, much internet material is self-published, without editorial or publishers’ constraints. Still, to those who have searched and found a few choice web sites, the internet offers much of what remains of free, unconstrained, political and social commentary…..

    Anthony’s WUWT is one of those “few choice web sites” of the “American Samizdat” and I am sure that makes people like Rolling Stone’s Jeff Goodell squirm.

    ….My friends in Russia report that during the Soviet era, most Russians came to regard Pravda as an acceptable solution to the chronic toilet paper shortage, but of little additional value. So they eagerly awaited receipt of each new Samizdat and secretly tuned into the Voice of America and the BBC. In short, the Russians developed very sensitive BS detectors. Alas, the time has come for the American public to do the same.

    Let the media know that you are fully aware of their “mushroom tactics” (i.e., “keep ‘em in the dark and feed them BS”). The news media put great value in their reputation and credibility. Tell them that they have squandered both with their rightward “spin” and their lies — and specify those lies…. Let them know that you are looking elsewhere for your information and, as in days of the Soviet “samizdat,” you are passing on important information you learn elsewhere to your friends and colleagues.
    Самиздат Американский — The American Samizdat, the Best Political Opinion and Commentary From the Progressive Internet

    (A rather delicious irony that WUWT is the best example)

  57. When will we learn? These liberal’s are not not our friends, never have been never will be. They will never give you a fair shake, never!!!

    Sent from my iPhone

  58. Hot under the collar says: @ September 12, 2013 at 1:46 pm
    When they refer to Rolling Stone “readers”, is it not a prerequisite for “readers” to be able to read?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Yes, but it is best if they can not think.

  59. Don’t stop giving interviews like this Anthony. Every time they slime you, tell us about it.
    The days of these malevolent green-slimeballs are numbered and by their own actions.
    Give them the oxygen they need to continue re-gurgitating the same zealous venom.
    It’s thanks to people like that who made me, and many others, sceptical of a ‘science’ that attracted such a motley band of nasties.

  60. Charlie A says:
    September 12, 2013 at 2:42 pm
    “Rolling Stone has changed the photo and caption, but without any note of the change.”

    You know what that means?
    They REALLY THOUGHT that the white stuff out of the cooling towers was “carbon pollution”!
    (The other possibility would have been that they intentionally lie, and know that it’s steam. But if that were the case, they wouldn’t have switched the photo.)

    They are REALLY that stupid! Ahahaha!

  61. Grant says:
    September 12, 2013 at 2:29 pm
    “There is no periodical more biased than Rolling Stone. And they think they’re hipster rebels.”

    Being biased and being a rebel is not a contradiction; see Obama’s Al Qaeda rebels in Syria or for a more distant example, the Jakobins with their guillotines in Paris.

  62. JFD says:
    September 12, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    ……
    It most certainly is not carbon dioxide emitting from mechanical draft cooling towers but I do believe that it does add heat to the atmosphere.
    >>>>

    Maybe that is why they are called “cooling towers”, huh?

  63. Rolling Stones Magazine said the following about Led Zeppelin’s first three albums…

    “their music is as ephemeral as Marvel comix, and as vivid as an old Technicolor cartoon. It doesn’t challenge anybody’s intelligence or sensibilities, relying instead on a pat visceral impact that will insure absolute stardom for many moons to come. Their albums refine the crude public tools of all dull white blues bands into something awesome in its very insensitive grossness, like a Cecil B. DeMille epic.”

    “…alternates between prissy Robert Plant’s howled vocals fronting an acoustic guitar and driving choruses of the band running down a four-chord progression while John Bonham smashes his cymbals on every beat.” (John Mendelsohn, 3/15/69 Review)

    “Jimmy Page, around whom the Zeppelin revolves, is, admittedly, an extraordinarily proficient blues guitarist and explorer of his instrument’s electronic capabilities. Unfortunately, he is also a very limited producer and a writer of weak, unimaginative songs.”

    “Plant’s strained and unconvincing shouting (he may be as foppish as Rod Stewart, but he’s nowhere near so exciting, especially in the higher registers).”

    “It would seem that, if they’re to help fill the void created by the demise of Cream, they will have to find a producer (and editor) and some material worthy of their collective attention.”

    “A masterpiece of sarcasm.”

    In later years they would try to air brush over their original assessments.Too late. The world’s biggest rock magazine proved they knew dick all about rock and roll. I presume their knowledge of climate issues is equally impressive.

  64. Charlie A says: @ September 12, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    Rolling Stone has changed the photo and caption, but without any note of the change.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
    Looks like someone is reading WUWT….

    What is hilarious is this:
    “And in the climate wars, “Doubt is what deniers thrive on and exploit,” says Bob Watson, who was head of the IPCC from 1997 to 2002.”

    Isn’t Jeff Goodell going to clue in all those Occupy Wall Street types that read Rolling Stone that when Watson was IPCC chair he WORKED for the WORLD BANK? Especially after all the articles Rolling Stone has published by Matt Taibbi?
    Everything Is Rigged: The Biggest Price-Fixing Scandal Ever: The Illuminati were amateurs. The second huge financial scandal of the year reveals the real international conspiracy: There’s no price the big banks can’t fix

    Gangster Bankers: Too Big to Jail: How HSBC hooked up with drug traffickers and terrorists. And got away with it

    Perhaps Matt Taibbi can write a new article “Gangster Bankers: Too Big to Jail: How The World Bank hooked up with the IPCC to scam taxpayers. And got away with it”

    Perhaps we should suggest it to him although I am sure some one at Rolling Stone has just read it.

  65. Well don’t forget that for years Rolling Stone also published P. J. O’Rourke (see here ), where in fact he was foreign affairs desk chief for some time. I never actually read O’Rourke in Rolling Stone — I waited until his books were published to save me the trouble of sifting through all the other trash first.

    Somehow I doubt Jeff Goodell’s reach or influence will be anything like O’Rourke’s. Certainly the humor is lacking. Now an O’Rourke interview of Al Gore would be a thing of joy and beauty forever …

  66. Otter at 12.51 is, I think, making a reference to “Atlas Shrugged” by Ayn Rand. The question is actually “Who is John Galt” and is used by the characters as an expression of unknowing. Rand’s novel, written in 1957 but set seemingly in the 1930s. She describes well how an elite turns reason on its head to the destruction of society. A long book, but worth the read.

  67. Well for the folks concerned Miami is going to get wiped off the map by a hurricane, Miami has already been hit by a cat 5 Miami is still there. If you weren’t around in 92 then check out this wiki:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Andrew

    I was there the day after and it was a mess, but they build things a bit stronger because of that storm, so I imagine that while another cat 5 hitting Miami would suck, but it would not end the city by any stretch of the imagination.
    v/r,
    David Riser

  68. Goodell changed his text on the image. The image shows water vapour. I’m sure Goodell knows that water vapour is the main greenhouse gas. Oh the irony.

    IPCC
    Box 8.1: Upper-Tropospheric Humidity and Water Vapour Feedback

    Water vapour is the most important greenhouse gas in the atmosphere. Tropospheric water vapour concentration diminishes rapidly with height, since it is ultimately limited by saturation-specific humidity, which strongly decreases as temperature decreases. Nevertheless, these relatively low upper-tropospheric concentrations contribute disproportionately to the ‘natural’ greenhouse effect, both because temperature contrast with the surface increases with height, and because lower down the atmosphere is nearly opaque at wavelengths of strong water vapour absorption.

  69. It’s obvious why the caption photo was changed. Now the steam does not disappear before rising out of the frame. It could be smoke now, to the low-information reader, i.e. the typical Rolling Stoner.

  70. George Winkley says:
    That looks uncannily like water vapour to me.
    ————-
    Yes, but water vapor contains hydrogen, which make those hydrogen emissions. And we know how dangerous hydrogen can be — look what happened to the Hindenburg.

  71. Ahhhhhh, this explains it all!

    Jeff Goodell

    I was born and raised in Silicon Valley, where my family had lived for four generations. I’ve worked as a blackjack dealer, a glazier, a janitor, a bartender at a topless club, an editor at a Russian literary journal, and a technical writer at Apple. I have a BA in English from the University of California, Berkeley, and an MFA in Fiction Writing from Columbia University.

    http://www.jeff-goodell.com/bio.html

    Jeff, your article should be filed under fiction. You have no idea what you are talking about and are out of your depth. Next time think before you write utter crap. Sceptics know their stuff, you don’t.

  72. LOL at the picture of ‘carbon emissions’ when it’s really water vapour – A FAR MORE POTENT GREENHOUSE GAS THAN CARBON DIOXIDE! Something else to be very afraid of apparently. All that evil water vapour. /rolleyes

  73. Here is what us sceptics are up against. Don’t laugh.

    Jeff Goodell
    I began my career as a journalist covering crime and politics in New York City for 7 Days, a weekly magazine that won a National Magazine Award for General Excellence in 1990. Since 1996 I have been a Contributing Editor at Rolling Stone, where I have written about a wide variety of subjects, from hookers and politicians to climate scientists and internet billionaires.

    http://www.jeff-goodell.com/bio.html

    What a piece of shit.

  74. Churnalism is the garbage and recycling sector of the literary world. What did you expect? At best they sell off junk, trash and mulch. Besides Rolling Stone is just a children’s magazine with a copy cat name.

  75. Ric Werme says:

    September 12, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    Now the lead photo at http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/global-warming-is-very-real-20130912 is of a dirty glacier and melt stream, and the caption is Melting polar glaciers could raise sea levels by almost three feet by the end of the century.. Credit is to Henrik Egede Lassen/Alpha Film/Arctic Monitoring and Assessment Programme

    Perhaps they should be wringing their hands over soot.
    =============
    Notice the proximity of the “hills” in the photo at the link ?
    I wonder where all that “soot” came from ?

    The comments to the “article” indicate that if anything, we may only “be at the end of the beginning”.

  76. Jim says:

    September 12, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Some music for the ‘event’ – “Cover Of The Rolling Stone” – Dr.Hook
    ________________________

    Jim, with respect, that’s a great song, but you should have linked to this live version:

    If you’ve never seen this band live, I recommend watching this 5 minute live version. These folks are just a little bit different from “normal” folks! :)

    Dan

  77. The error in good faith tries is assuming the other side has the same fundamental values.
    Sort of like noegotiating in good faith with North Korea or the Taliban. Waste of time.
    But your are admirable to have tried.

  78. OK, time to fess up. Which one of you has the yellow Hummer?

    ” Later investigations found that Santer’s so-called scientific cleansing involved little more than clarifying language suggested by fellow scientists. “Nothing in my scientific training prepared me for what I faced in the aftermath of that report,” Santer says now. One night years later, he opened his front door and found a dead rat on his porch. In the street, he watched a yellow Hummer drive off, the driver yelling obscenities at him.”

  79. I thought you would have learned by now that such disturbed people are just burning with hatred inside of them. No matter how fairly you treat them or how honest you are with them their heads will spin around and the ‘pea soup’ will fly in your direction.

  80. Dick of Utah – I wouldn’t drive a yellow Hummer. Those things are prized by wealthy leftists, though, who are immune to the concept of “irony”.

    Re: Led Zep – one of the most brilliant and creative forces of its era, panned and nitpicked by a useless hippy magazine. I think I’ve bought maybe 3 issues of Rolling Stone and been disappointed every time. I have, however, bought every Led Zeppelin album, on vinyl, on tape, and on CD. I vote with my wallet.

  81. I accidentally won a subscription to RS; even received a copy with the heart-throb terrorist on the cover. They publish a lot from weepy Bill.

    Did you really expect better treatment?

  82. Jeff Goodell has received prizes from the Grantham Prize (Award of Special Merit). 2011 Sierra Club David R. Brower Award for excellence in environmental journalism 2012. It’s good to know that these bodies recognize good work to save the environment. Fossil fuel and tobacco is now problem for these hypocrites as long as they make MONEY. Just ask Dana from the Guardian and Tetra Tech big oil company.

    Sierra Club
    “TIME has learned that between 2007 and 2010 the Sierra Club accepted over $25 million in donations from the gas industry, mostly from Aubrey McClendon, CEO of Chesapeake Energy—one of the biggest gas drilling companies in the U.S. and a firm heavily involved in fracking…”
    Source: Time – 2 February 2012
    ———-
    In 2007 the Union of Concerned Scientists issued a report called “ExxonMobil’s Tobacco-like Disinformation Campaign on Global Warming Science”.

    The Union of Concerned Scientists has in the past received funding from the Grantham Foundation, which is bankrolled by hedge-fund manager Jeremy Grantham. At the time of the funding the foundation had holdings in tobacco giant Philip Morris. In August of 2011 his fund owned millions of shares in fossil fuel companies such as Exxon Mobil.

    Did I see Chesapeake Energy????
    Chesapeake Energy, Jeff the fiction writer and Rolling Stone. What a load of shit.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/rolling-stone-responds-to-chesapeake-energy-on-the-fracking-bubble-20120306

    [“no problem” or “now problem” ? Mod]

  83. To: Jeremeyp99 and Geran
    Laughing, mon amies, cooling tower systems remove heat from the process fluid using water as the circulating medium, mix the returning heated water with rising air in the cooling tower,return the cooled water back to the process and exhaust the water saturated air, thereby transferring the heat removed from the process to the atmosphere. I realize that they don’t teach Civil Ingineers thermodynamics so I suggest that both of you should take off your clothes and lie in the bright sun for a few hours. You might learn that the sun heats the face of the earth when it is daylight.

  84. It seems that the more evidence there is that global warming is less of a threat than originally projected, the more adamant people become that catastrophe is nigh. Perhaps that should expected. Without data to back them up, people substitute stridency.

  85. Auto says:
    September 12, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    Gail Combs says:
    September 12, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    Well, you guys are probably right. They will always find a way. But, at least next time, they won’t be able to claim “oh, we weren’t serious last time” like they do today vis a vis the Global Cooling scare of the 1970’s.

  86. rabbit says:
    September 12, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    “It seems that the more evidence there is that global warming is less of a threat than originally projected, the more adamant people become that catastrophe is nigh.”

    They’re just following the old lawyer’s advice:

    “If you’re weak on the facts and strong on the law, pound the law. If you’re weak on the law and strong on the facts, pound the facts. If you’re weak on both, pound the table.”

  87. Positively Orwellian. So sad to see this come about in the Anglo sphere within my lifetime. Never thought it was possible. I want to know who the puppet masters are?

  88. Rolling Stone
    fast facts
    Circulation:
    18,001 (ABC Jul – Dec12)
    Readership:
    262,000 (RMR Apr12-Mar13)
    Cover Price:
    $8.95
    Core Target:
    18-39 years

    WUWT
    Cover price
    Free
    Core target
    The rational and intelligent of all ages
    Blog Stats
    160,173,996 views

    Anthony Watts wins hands down

  89. Who’s denying climate change? US spends $79B a year plus the windmills, solar, subsidies, giant forgivable loans, etc. etc worldwide, must be in the $2 trillion bucks range – that’s a lot of change.

  90. I think I might have been one of the first to point out in comments on that article that it was water vapor, not CO2, coming from those cooling towers. Quite a few others made the same observation and commented on it. Most of the comments seemed to come from skeptics, or so it seemed. However there was one die-hard who kept saying cooling towers emit CO2 along with water vapor because it’s a coal based power plant. I’m still waiting for an explanation on that.

  91. Matthew R Marler says:
    September 12, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    “At least he quoted you exactly.”

    LOL. I thought about Keitho @ September 12, 2013 at 12:33 pm upthread and made the connection to “mostly harmless”, but then saw TinyCO2 @ September 12, 2013 at 12:52 pm beat me to the observation.

  92. pinroot says:
    September 12, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    “However there was one die-hard who kept saying cooling towers emit CO2 along with water vapor because it’s a coal based power plant.”

    Well, not from the cooling towers. And, where they do, it’s invisible except for the heat wave refraction, so it doesn’t make a good visual to scare people with.

  93. Rolling Stone is actually one of the worst Propaganda rags out there – and to make matters worse they have no idea when it comes to music reviews. It’s only ‘useful idiots’ that still read it

  94. JFD says:
    September 12, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    Like I said, that is why they call them “cooling towers”.

    Not sure if you get it yet, since you are fantasizing me with my clothes off….

  95. Remember the motto of the rolling Stone: “All the News that Fits”… (their agenda) Goodell is a poster boy for liars and cowards and hacks, oh my.

  96. R.S. has not been a credible source of music news & criticism for over 40 years, and it has never been reliable for news. But WUWT probably has more readers, so your decision was the right one – it gets word to more people about R.S.’s sub-adolescent stunts than R.S. gets to its readership of chronic adolescents.

    And Goodell presumes to lecture about ” . . . the unscientific ear . . .”? Now that’s rich.

  97. Gary says:
    September 12, 2013 at 1:14 pm
    From now it’s better to deflect all such requests from dubious sources to to your UCS spokesdog, Kenji.
    ——————————————-
    That’s a good idea.

    When Jeffey asks, “Kenji, What will things be like for alarmists in the future?”
    Kenji, “Ruff!”
    cn

  98. “Ain’t it hard when you discover that
    He really wasn’t where it’s at
    After he took from you everything he could steal.

    How does it feel
    How does it feel
    To be on your own
    With no direction home
    Like a complete unknown
    Like a rolling stone ?”

    From “Like a Rolling Stone”
    Bob Dylan aka Robert Allen Zimmerman

  99. RS still thinks it is cool to pretend to believe in CAGW.

    but i don’t agree with your take on the Tsarnaev cover, anthony. it was a shocking cover, but not for the reason u suggest. where is “alleged” before “bomber”? whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty in the US?

  100. JFD says…

    There is no such thing as a ‘no recharge aquifer’. Stop trying to blow out of your butt and up ours.

  101. GeneDoc says: @ September 12, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    ….. I want to know who the puppet masters are?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    My take on it is a href=”http://chiefio.wordpress.com/t12/”>HERE. lots on economics politics and philosophy as well as CAGW at that site.

  102. Anthony,
    I can’t stop! You did’t get on the cover but even one derogatory word is such an achievement. As an old time rock and roll nut, I feel blessed to have even corresponded with someone of your status.

    DR. HOOK
    Cover Of The Rolling Stone Lyrics

    Ha, ha, ha, I don’t believe it
    Da, da, ah, ooh, don’t touch me
    Hey, Ray!
    Hey, Sugar!
    Tell them who we are …

    Well, we’re big rock singers
    We’ve got golden fingers
    And we’re loved everywhere we go (that sounds like us)
    We sing about beauty and we sing about truth
    For ten-thousand dollars a show (right)
    We take all kinds of pills that give us all kind of thrills
    But the thrill we’ve never known
    Is the thrill that’ll get ya when you get your picture
    On the cover of the Rolling Stone

    Lyrics from eLyrics.net

  103. You do realise you went about things in entirely the wrong way? You should have gotten Annie Liebovitz to take a pic of you in the nuddie and put it on the cover of the mag. They’d have listened to you then. And if they didn’t, you could have started a David Cassidy-like career as a teen idol.

  104. Goodell is a “young green rebel” well past middle age.

    The best punishment for such unreasonable behaviour would be to reveal his actual age at his Wikipedia article, where it is curiously overlooked.

  105. ‘Persecution of non-believers has been popular for centuries. Belief and denial are the words of zealots, not scientists.’
    Though not a scientist, at least author Jeff Goodell can now tell the difference between water vapor from cooling towers & “carbon emissions” (after this sites ‘eSteamed’ author prompted Rolling Stone to change their misleading caption on the lead picture!)
    Goes to the point that many are unable to distinguish between science and non-science, leaving them vulnerable to the emotional appeal of human caused global warming…warming that stopped some 15-17 years ago…

    http://climatism.wordpress.com/2013/08/30/nature-study-confirms-global-warming-stopped-15-years-ago/

  106. He who laughs last, laughs best.

    They don’t even understand how wrong they are right now. You can’t fix non-objective people. They just are the way they are and there is nothing you can do about it.

    Flats temps, nothing happening, the last refuge they had Arctic sea ice is up 50% this year. The Earth has not even sneezed with a 50% increase in the GHG/ALL forcing. And the Unicorns have not come back yet either.

    Generally, people are not dumb. The media that feeds them lies eventually dies.

  107. Dan Murphy says September 12, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    Jim, with respect, that’s a great song, but you should have linked to this live version:

    Oops, just moments ago Dan I got this message when clicking on that link: “This video does not exist”. Do you have another? I linked the version I did on account of all the covers of The Rolling Stone they showed …

    .

  108. Having read the RS coverage of the candidates in 2008 I am surprised that you would expect anything else from one of it’s hacks. They are supporting the Obama agenda (whatever it might happen to be at the moment). At this moment it is about fighting the evil deniers of climate change. RS went looking for an evil denier and you saved him the effort of googling skeptical statements.
    Your heart was in the right place but your brain was on the fritz.

  109. AB says:
    September 12, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    Rolling Stone fast facts
    Circulation:
    18,001 (ABC Jul – Dec12)
    Readership:
    262,000 (RMR Apr12-Mar13)
    Cover Price:
    $8.95

    That circulation number looks very low compared to the readership number. And to its circulation in its glory days. And the cover price looks daunting. (But if it’s real, no wonder its circulation is so low.)

  110. The Mark Twain quote is “Never pick a fight with people who buy ink by the barrel.” But in this case, I think that both parties either buy their ink by the barrel or their page views by the hundred thousand.

    I’d say that Anthony is not someone you want to mess with, even if you are the cool Jeff Goodell.

  111. The big thing to understand is we are dealing with religious fanatics. We are telling them their religion is false. Their god does not exist. Of course they react in a hateful, angry manner. That is what all religious fanatics do.

  112. I find it curious that Anthony is promoting Kosaka & Xie when they clearly state in the abstract:
    Our results show that the current hiatus is part of natural climate variability, tied specifically to a La-Niña-like decadal cooling. Although similar decadal hiatus events may occur in the future, the multi-decadal warming trend is very likely to continue with greenhouse gas increase.

  113. It’s a funny thing, but searching for the images on the Internet it turns out that this is a NUCLEAR power station. No wonder there are no smokestacks emitting ‘carbon [sic] pollution’!

  114. No need for me to add….

    Richard M says:
    September 12, 2013 at 6:23 pm
    The big thing to understand is we are dealing with religious fanatics. We are telling them their religion is false. Their god does not exist. Of course they react in a hateful, angry manner. That is what all religious fanatics do.

  115. Carbon emissions from wind turbines, exactly like those from the cooling towers, that are too heavy to float up into the sky.

    (sorry)

  116. Well stated, Anthony:

    ” …Then there is the lack of reality matching what the climate models tell us, such as this leaked graph from an AR5 draft:

    “Original from AR5 draft: http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/ipcc_ar5_draft_fig1-4_with.png

    “Annotated version: http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/ipcc-ar5draft-fig-1-4.gif

    “All this while global CO2 emissions have been growing steadily. The lack of temperature match to models, “the pause”, combined with these new ENSO findings tell us that global warming has gone from a planetary crisis to a minor problem in a Banana Republic where only a few vocal science rebels are arguing for immediate intervention. …”

    THANKS, Anthony, for including my annotated version of leaked AR5 fig 1-4. Clearly, the Rolling Stone writer did not click on that link, else he would have instantly converted to our reasonable skeptic side. (Yeah right :^)

    Although Rolling Stone reduced your reasoned reply to their invitation to comment on the soon to be released IPCC AR5 to the single word “stillborn” and then mischaracterized you (and by extension all of us at WUWT) as “bloggers in the “denial-sphere”, that does not take away from the basic truth of your (our) views.

    Officially reported global temperatures have leveled off for over a decade and a half even as CO2 continues its rapid rise. That is absolute proof that CO2 cannot be the MAJOR (over 50%) cause of the warming.

    ALL of the IPCC predictions, from the first to the fourth Assessment Reports, have over-estimated the temperature rise, according to the latest official temperature measurements (as shown by my animated annotations to the leaked AR5 fig 1-4). That is absolute proof that the IPCC climate models have been WRONG (FAR), WRONG (SAR), WRONG (TAR), and WRONG (AR4).

    Error, and purposeful mischaracterization of the WUWT message by the left wing media, may slow general acceptance of the fact that we humans and our activities are responsible for only a fraction of the warming over the past century, that that warming has been over-estimated by the official climate “team” cooking the books on the thermometer record, and that the majority of the actual warming is due to natural cycles not under human control — BUT THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH AND WILL EVENTUALLY PREVAIL.

    Ira Glickstein

  117. Jim – The pirate eye patch made up for that shortfall!

    So let’s keep in mind that RS put the Boston Bomber and DR. Hook on their cover, but only gave Anthony a single word. In the end, Anthony will have had more (positive) influence than RS, or the band or the bomber.

  118. I was able to figure out his email from the above and sent him a derisive comment!:] Good for you, Anthony. Rolling Stone had its day but that day was over long ago.

  119. Having been called a “denier.” On a point of personal privilege you should be afforded an opportunity to respond that you are nothing like a holocaust denier or even a denier regarding the dangers of tobacco smoke. The story is slowly coming to the point where it will have to be reported that the models aren’t working. Keep it up!

  120. Bill Illis:

    “You can’t fix non-objective people. They just are the way they are and there is nothing you can do about it.”

    I always wondered what’s wrong with non-objective people. You see the type even in childhood, jealously guarding their “truths”. Even their things. They are typically non-sharing types. What drives these people? Fear? Greed? Habit?

    I tend to think it is pure personal advantage. Some people will always manouvre themselves into a position to maximize personal gain. Truth, honour, science, be damned. Often you see the same type of people sucking up to whoever has power at any time.

    I think it is a genetic trait, as it doesn’t seem to change as the individual grows up and matures.

  121. The Mod Squad has become a Goon Squad……while getting attention for circulation. That formula plays out every day all across the country with similar ilk at lesser spheres of media attention.

  122. Tsarnaev was never found guilty of being a terrorist. The FBI considered him a suspect and the media went crazy over it. The media story then goes he was shot dead in the face.

  123. Rolling Stone Magazine…once dedicatedly anti-establishment, now unabashedly the mouth of the establishment…

  124. Michael Spencer, Melbourne, Australia says September 12, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    It’s a funny thing, but searching for the images on the Internet it turns out that this is a NUCLEAR power station.

    Not so sure, Michael; do a search for JAENSCHWALDE, GERMANY power plant.

    Interesting images from Jaenschwalde:

    http://flickrhivemind.net/Tags/jaenschwalde/Interesting

    Getty images:

    Trade journal article:
    “Turbine retrofit in the Jänschwalde lignite fired power plant in Germany”

    http://www.powerengineeringint.com/articles/print/volume-19/issue-3/features/turbine-retrofit-in-the-jaenschwalde-lignite-fired-power-plant-in-germany.html

    Increasing coal plants’ efficiency has been a focus for many years now and turbine retrofits currently being executed by Alstom will make an important contribution to raising performance. By overhauling low-pressure, intermediate-pressure and high-pressure turbines, the specific fuel requirements – and therefore the CO2 emissions – of the 30-years old Jänschwalde lignite plant in Germany, have been reduced significantly.

    Their key focus was environmental protection. Within the scope of the comprehensive revision, the boilers in Block A were converted for low nitrous oxide combustion and the electrofilters were modernized. The same measures were subsequently performed on the other blocks. Half a decade later, decommissioning of the three old chimney stacks and commissioning of flue gas desulphurization for all blocks marked a milestone in the history of the power plant. Its emissions were now below the legal thresholds.

  125. Anthony Watts says:

    The net product of cooling towers is water vapor, not “carbon emissions”.

    That’s a by-product. The material product of a cooling tower is cold water. Thermodynamically, it’s a cold sink that makes the operation of the power station more efficient.

    Jänschwalde power station is adjacent to the border with Poland and was constructed between 1976 and 1988; under the glorious régime of the Socialists who didn’t care about pumping sulphur, mercury, other heavy metals, particulates, complex hydrocarbons etc into the atmosphere. Brown skies were the mark of a thriving socialist economy. As was the unmistakable aroma imbued upon everything produced and everybody living in such lucky places.

    The power station produces another important by-product; gypsum. It’s made using the sulphur now scrubbed from the flue. Precipitators, etc minimise other emissions but the underlying combustion technology is not amenable to further cleanups. Swedish owner Vattenfall is unlikely to upgrade the plant before the nearby coal is exhausted.

    Although one can’t see the CO2 emissions from the cooling towers, flue gases are now vented through the cooling towers; the older stacks having been removed during the noughties.

    A few years ago, it was planned to burn something quite different from brown coal at the plant: €1.5 billion in subsidies to trial CCS.

  126. Jeff Goodell just wrote a book on geoengineering the climate. I haven’t read the book but the first couple of paragraphs seem to start in the direction of an interesting and not wholly unreasonable perspective.
    Mr. Goodell of all people should appreciate that geoengineering can’t work until the models work. But it’s become obvious to any honest reporter that the models are unsatisfactory. He should be one of the first to insist that the models will need to be seriously worked on before we can seriously start discussing geoengineering a climate. Imagine the repercussions of getting the engineering wrong and precipitating a crop failure. Maybe Anthony should invite Goodell to write something provocative for the WUWT blog on geoengineering. Presumably, centuries hence, another ice age could materialize. If so, it may be humankind’s destiny to engineer the climate.

  127. Meemoe not found guilty? Your right. He hasn’t been tried yet, when he is ,he will be found guilty, no evidence? They are both on film . I strongly suggest you stay out of boston you piece of…….

  128. Well, now we know. What begins with sex, drugs and rock n roll must end with forging an international consensus to control all economic activity on the planet.

    ref: “In a more rational world, of course, we wouldn’t need any more IPCC assessments. We would have listened to the scientists, built a global consensus and forged international agreements to reduce carbon pollution and head off the risk of climate catastrophe.”

  129. “UPDATE: Shortly after I wrote this article, Goodell took notice on his Twitter feed, and shortly after that, the erroneous caption was replaced along with a different photo of the same power station in Germany, but with no explanation as to the error. Here’s what it looks like now:”

    This is typical left-wing MSM media stuff. Change the story after you’ve been found to be a fool, and tell no one. I would expect no less from the left wingers working at “Rolling Stone”…

  130. I don’t know what possessed you to think these people would play fair,but I hope you learned your lesson, they will never play fair,s o don’t play with them.

  131. I’ll never purchase a Rolling Stone again, nor even peek at their website, since that might benefit them via advertising. What lowlife.

  132. johnny pics says September 12, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    Meemoe not found guilty? Your right.

    What right? What rights? Is that what you meant … or no?

    Oh – maybe you meant: You’re right. That has an ENTIRELY different meaning as in: “You are right.” … no?

    .

  133. Didn’t we call these people “low information” ? Like the girl with her science degree who questioned the source of one of the major temperature sets.

  134. For a magnificent collection of pictures of steaming cooling towers at sunset framed against a burnt orange sky, just do a Google images search for “Carbon Pollution”. No wonder lazy journo’s are forever publishing pictures of cooling towers when they write about CO2.

  135. Thanks Anthony, you’ve helped me realize that I’m so far ahead of my time that I’ve never read anything in Rolling Stone, starting from before it even existed!.

  136. Sadly, I wouldn’t doubt fully half of the glue-sniffers reading that printed format of human excrement live here in the Pacific Northwest. How I grew up here and didn’t fall prey to their ‘non-conformist’ groupthink is beyond me. Probably my dad. Bless that man.

    It really makes sense that the former-counterculture troglodytes are now acting this way. They seized power through the leftist corners of media and universities to become ‘the culture’. To foster the free thought that got them there would only oust them from power and they don’t seem to find humor in irony. As was astutely pointed out above, and many times before, this is their religion; as they themselves brag, nature is their church.

    BTW, been reading for years, but my first post! I’m fighting against the (very precedented) tide up here, Anthony. Keep up the great work! You give me hope!

  137. Anthony you’re looking at this all wrong, boomers, zoomers and doomers will Google and find your site, this is a positive! They come here looking for right wing deniers and find a multi dimensional community discussing climate science including CAGW believers, all respectfully listened too and not censored for their views. Just the facts, ..the truth.

    You miss judged RS as a credible rag, they lost their credibility for music YEARS ago, and I am music fanatic and a musician in his fifties who used to love the rag.
    They have become to music what National Geographic has become to science.

    Irrelevant.

    +1 for more traffic coming through! ;)

  138. ” jeremyp99 says: September 12, 2013 at 2:11 pm
    OT. When I were a lad, R & B meant Muddy Waters and Howling Wolf. WTF is it now? ”

    Aloe Blacc is pretty good R&B soul type.

  139. Anthony, on the bright side I’m thinking that your use of “stillborn” will indeed garner you great kudos from Planned Parenthood! They “like that kind of thing”.

    h/t fbo Rolling Stone: Ojays – “I love Music”

  140. Considering the number of comments I had to view before I got to the comment form, I am willing to wager than Anthony got more comments on the Goodell article than Goodell will.

  141. “TRM says:
    September 12, 2013 at 9:39 pm”

    Yeah, Aloe Blacc sounds pretty good alright. I’ve been thinking that the Blues is still out there, but that I just haven’t seen it. Thanks! You Tube also looks like a gold mine to me. Be sure to not tell anyone, but you can download the gold and convert it to MP3. Monckton is also heavy into putting up real science on You Tube and defending it there. He must never sleep.

  142. Mike Macguire asks: “…would we expect President Obama to come out before his 2nd term is up and announce that the latest data suggests we should not act so hastily?”

    Well I don’t know. He appears quite adept at jumping around red lines in the sand with Syria.

  143. Anthony, I thought you were overensitive on this but then I saw his twitter and decided to read the article. One thing is the article (bad enough with its denier meme and) and the twitter was a spit in the face but receiving this after being nice and helpful and forthcoming! Not to say you had some doubts about his good faith before you put in the effort. Good reply by the way, to bad he didn’t read past the first line.
    But never blame yourself for doing the right thing though, some time it’s a 100% waste but in the long term the high ground is the place to be, leave the mud to Goodell.

  144. I have just sent the following email to RS.

    A genuine query on my part. I honestly don’t expect a response. If I do I’ll post it up here.

    ————————————————————————————————————–

    Dear Sir

    I would hope that you would see fit to respond to my query.

    Can you exlain to me how the article by Jeff Goodell ( http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/global-warming-is-very-real-20130912?print=true ) accurately represents the views of Anthony Watts of the climate blog Watts Up With That?

    Encapsulating Mr Watts response to a single word (“stillborn”) is not worthy. Surely a misrepresentation? ( http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/12/on-the-cover-of-the-rolling-stone-not-quite-but-i-did-get-a-single-word-in/#more-93721 )

    By the way, they are cooling towers not smoke stacks. It would have been at least honourable to state the correction.

    Thank you kindly for at least reading my concerns. I will be posting a copy of this email on WUWT so all are in the loop.

    Andy Jones

  145. Unfortunately Anthony, journalists like Jeff Goodell don’t understand words like “climate sensitivity” or “ENSO” – neither do most of their audience. You can’t relate to them in those terms.

  146. Ummm I know I am being nitpicky but I don’t see any chimneys, just water cooling towers. Are you sure this is actually a coal fired power station? The conveyors suggest yes, but there are usually tall chimneys interspersed with the water cooling towers – any idea where this is?

  147. At least they interviewed you before. With me, they just made stuff up and I sent in an extensive rebuttal fact by fact to their jibberish. Look at it this way, at least we made the deniers of Climate Science poster

  148. Since others have invoked the immortal Dr Hook earlier in this thread, may I offer their explanation as to why these eco-nuts seem to ignore all the mounting evidence against AGW?

    They got stoned and they missed it.

    They also, of course, did Algore’s theme tune “The Millionaire”. True Prophets of Pop!

  149. Afterwards Jeff probably jumped in his big SUV and drove back to his big well lit well furnished, air conditioned home, with not so much as a thought for the 1.4 billion or so people with no access to electricity. Its tough work saving the world aint it Jeff?

  150. RobRoy says:
    September 12, 2013 at 1:10 pm
    For some reason, my son began receiving this rag at my address FOR FREE.
    =========
    actually the free issues are valuable. when stockpiled, they can be burned to heat the house to offset the effects of climate change that occurs every winter. and it is sustainable.

    with the right burner, junk mail is your friend. who else will send you free fuel right to your doorstep? as a bonus, the ash makes a handy grit to spread on the sidewalks when it gets icy.

  151. JPeden says: @ September 12, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    Yeah, Aloe Blacc sounds pretty good alright. I’ve been thinking that the Blues is still out there, but that I just haven’t seen it.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    If you like ragtime piano too. Search “Tom Brier” and “razor blades” (I never knew humans had ten fingers on each hand and that they could move that fast!)

  152. Foxgoose says: @ September 13, 2013 at 1:14 am
    Anthony – you forgot the first law of climate “science” –
    “Never trust a man in a wooly hat”
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Anyone else see the irony of the guy in a woolly hat with snow in the background and frost on his beard, talking of ‘Global Warming’

    H/T to Anthony for a very appropriate picture.

  153. I think the lesson, Anthony, is that journalists for these kinds of publications (NYT, Rolling Stone, anything on the hard left) are only going to look for ways to quote you out of context. You can still talk to them, but you’ll have to use kid gloves. It’s clear this reporter never had any intent of treating you fairly.

    Rolling Stone is a wretched excused for a publication. I canceled my subscription awhile back in large part due to their flagrant climate alarmism.

  154. Anthony,

    Look on the bright side. When the report is, indeed, “stillborn,” you’ll be proven concisely correct. No one reading RS was going to read all the other stuff anyway, but they’ll remember “stillborn” and might even start to wonder…

  155. HankHenry says:
    September 12, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    Jeff Goodell just wrote a book on geoengineering the climate.

    Jeff Goodell recommending geoengineering solutions based on faulty climate models is literally a “bridge to nowhere”. And a horrendously expensive one at that!

  156. Don’t regret doing the right thing, Anthony. You made an effort to tell the truth. You can’t control what the media outlets do with it. That most media isn’t interested in the facts, only their narrative, is just the way thing currently are. A sad state of affairs, to be sure, but that should never discourage you from speaking to them. Eventually the truth wins out.

  157. The first photo was probably deemed unacceptable because it shows all that “carbon pollution” disappearing within the picture frame. Can’t have low-information activists confused now, can we? They just might start thinking.

  158. Having reread the article, it truly is wretched. Biases, inaccuracies, and cherry picking abound.

    The big story these days is that climatologists are reassessing and scaling back their projections of run-away global warming. Sensitivity to CO2 forcing appears to have been over estimated. In the coming years, we may well see increasing numbers of climatologists condemn the more extreme and self-serving alarmist predictions.

    Rolling Stone Magazine has glossed over this development. Its readers are now ill-prepared to understand the state of climate science, having been convinced that it is settled.

  159. That’s not carbon emission from those coal plants. It’s the highly dangerous Dihydrogen Monoxide, which has been shown to be an even more dangerous greenhouse gas. Large concentrations have led to death, property damage in the hundreds of billions of dollars, propagation of illness, and vast environmental damage.

    It must be banned immediately.

  160. Anthony – Did you really think you could walk around the warmist barnyard without getting manure all over your shiny shoes. Country folk always wear rubber boots for such strolls. GK

  161. I thought RS was a rag about music. Oh well, this just illustrates the Peter Principle as applied to the media: the incompetent and useless rising to the top (if anyone can consider RS anything other than glorified TP).

  162. “Politics is the second oldest profession, I understand, and is closely allied to the only senior profession”

    The difference between a politician and a practitioner of the oldest profession is that the latter will leave you alone once your transaction is complete.

  163. I don’t know if all the “deniers” are realizing this yet, but folks like Goodell and all the rest of the CAGW crowd are in it to the death. Doubling down, tripling down, forsaking their human morality, these folks will be still telling you they are right up to the minute their policies kill you. They will do anything, say anything, and produce anything that promotes their agenda. So for “deniers” to try and use fact, reason, science, logic, etc. is really basically useless against them. You are essentially up against pathologically driven people. You are still not part of the “process”, you are not included, you are not needed, you are not wanted. Our ONLY HOPE is at the ballot box re: Australia. Goodell is an ass and knows it, proud of it actually. Not worth wasting a breath on this guy. Calling Rolling Stone advertisers IS worth your breath however.

  164. “Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the “wet streets cause rain” stories. Paper’s full of them.
    In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.”

  165. Has anyone previously coined the term Dead-Ender Journalism? I’m claiming it for now to describe this type of religious writing on science matters.

  166. I had no idea who Jeff Goodell is so I did some research and found a tired old man with thinning hair telling tired old stories thin on truth and based on debunked leftist talking points that span generations. This represents the entirety of his work. He is unoriginal and seems to attempt to put fire in the belly of his work by covering controversial topics and personalities already beat to death by superior writers in well-regarded publications. What a dull person he’s turned out to be. He could turn his life and career around by writing about the real world instead of the fiction that lives in the fat cells between his ears.

  167. Goodell tweets: “How unfair! Anthony Watts didn’t get as much space in @rollingstone as an actual scientist.”

    Question, Mr. Goodell: Did any “actual scientist” who disagrees with you– say Judith Curry or Richard Lindzen, or Roy Spencer–get any “space” in your fictional piece? I didn’t see any.

    It’s instructive to note that your appraisal of the current state of climate science appeared in the Politics section of RS. That, of course, is where it belongs along with all the other political drivel that so frequently characterizes what Rolling Stone charitably calls “journalism.”

  168. Perhaps there’s a song in the offing.

    Some brimstone baritone anticyclone rolling stone preacher from the east
    Says, “Dethrone The Rolling Stone, hit it in its funny bone, that’s where they expect it least

  169. Rolling Stone, like other successful publications, doesn’t give its readers material they’re not ready to absorb. They have been at the front edge of financial investigative reporting, with Matt Taibbi’s work. A word in edgewise isn’t necessarily a bad thing. “Stillborn” sums up the IPCC report pretty well.

  170. Anthony,

    Kudos for trying yet again to foster honest communication and debate. We always hope for similar participation from our opposition… but the outcome was predictable.

    Jeff Goodell controls the message and the outlet like Putin and the KGB control dissent in Russia. Now he is trying to bait further response via Twitter. What a pathetically small, venal personae….
    MtK

  171. @ Jim:

    It seems that you are correct and that the original smokestacks have been removed – so thanks. It was the lack of smokestacks that fooled me.

    Now here’s something new that you might find interesting, and indeed if there is anyone commenting on this post who is terrified about increasing CO2 levels due to burning coal, or worse, burning lignite, here’s some good news for you! There is a new product produced by modifying lignite: http://www.gallileomovement.com.au/docs/msp/Solution-to-Pollution.pdf. Further information is available here: http://www.devourx.com.au/

    So now we have a sweet irony: the very substance much-demonised by those of the ‘green’ persuasion turns out to be the very ‘magic bullet’ that can remediate real pollution organically. Included in the list of pollutants are radionuclides and PCBs, both hitherto intractable.

  172. On a hunch I downloaded the second gasp generating power plant photo (it is the same plant, different view) and adjusted only the white balance and got nice fluffy white steam clouds vs the foreboding brown belch Mr. Twitter would like everyone to see.

    Does he even know that steam (as water vapor) is an even more powerful GHG than his much besmirched carbon? If he were a journalist and interested in accurate reporting he’d have mentioned that.

    BTW, I also searched far and wide and can find no evidence that birds and bats are killed at this power plant. It seems to be world-friendly and a good neighbor that provides steady reliable heat and light all through the winter months, no matter the weather. And it doesn’t rely on wind power as a backup. The UK needs more of these to prevent premature deaths to her elderly citizens on fixed incomes and who can’t afford the the luxury of a wind (under)powered economy.

  173. @ richard day re ‘glorified TP”,

    Not even that, to slippery and BTW can someone tell Goodell how many trees his rag kills and so adds to the co2 crapopla?? besides all the other chemicals in said paper that prevent it from being nearly impossible to recycle other then using it as a heat source?
    Oh about the cooiling towers, besides being labelled “smoke stack” there seems to be an almost genetic connection to this
    “OH LOOK at those “Chimnies” that is a nuclear power plant!!! BOOM” (at least I did as a kid)

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