NZ Greens lose interest in global warming – ‘no hellfire, no brimstone’

Joe Romm must be upset  that NZ greens are ignoring his trademark “hell and high water”.

From the New Zealand Business Review (h/t to Bishop Hill):

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When Jeanette Fitzsimons was co-leader global warming was the greatest-ever threat to the planet. It dwarfed all other environmental worries. It was the granddaddy of them all.

But the shift on global warming with the Greens is significant. We are safe in concluding that they no longer regard global warming as the greatest threat to the planet. It would, I think, merit a mention in a leader’s annual speech to the Greens if it were. A fast-approaching environmental armageddon would be top of mind, not the constitutionality of parliamentary legislation, and not Peter Dunne’s emails.

Read the entire article here: http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/global-warming-ends-whimper-dc-141467

 

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58 Responses to NZ Greens lose interest in global warming – ‘no hellfire, no brimstone’

  1. Bruce Cobb says:

    The bells are tolling not for the climate, but for the biggest, most harmful cause in the history of mankind. It’s dead, Jim.

  2. cui bono says:

    They’ve lost this battle. Time to move on to exaggerate and distort other stuff. So, like, we’re turning the oceans into bubbling pools of acid (rofl), we’re running out of unobtainium, world population growth is out of control (latest projections are for depopulation and our voluntary extinction by 2600).

  3. A.D. Everard says:

    Made my morning, even if it is 1:50 a.m. :) Great news. Watch more follow, I reckon there’ll be great pretence from many a green head that “something else” is more important and it wasn’t them, no-sir, it wasn’t, that was some other loon… er… Then they’ll get on with the next event. Watch it happen.

  4. Grumpy Old Man says:

    cui bono, Source please for our extinction by 2600, just out of interest Thank you. Going on T; the Greens may have retreated but it’s the politicians we have to deal with and get them off sucking at the carbon tax teat and the subsidies to their pals and relatives. (UK is a prime example).

  5. DirkH says:

    What is it with the NZ Greens? Haven’t they read their Gramsci? You gotta control the media if you want to brainwash the population. Shouldn’t be difficult with that hippy population. Teach them that 2+2=5, what kind of socialists are you. Wimps.

  6. Peter Stroud says:

    Unfortunately this will count as nothing with our government in the UK. Cameron, and his band of greenies, continue to herald CAGW as a greater threat than international terrorism.

  7. Neil says:

    So the question now is… why did they lie to us?

  8. John from the EU says:

    @NZ: Good on ya mates! Ozzie is next.

  9. taxed says:

    This may give Russia a rethink on global warming as well.
    Have a look over on BBC weather at the “Siberian summer snow shocker” piece.

  10. pat says:

    The falsification of the temperature data by NIWA was publicized in a manner that was easily understood. The NIWA temperature records were adjusted without the public being told. As there were only 11 old weather stations, the data was limited to an understandable quanta. When the real data was located in the National Library (where it resided unbeknownst to NIWA), the difference was easy to see. The past had been made colder.

  11. wws says:

    We won’t be extinct by 2600, we’ll just have turned into Eloy and Morlocks.

  12. Mario martini says:

    We will become extinct on Wednesday 23 October at just after 3.30 in the morning in the year 2600 due to our reliance on fossil fuels. I don’t have any actual evidence for this, but if I’m given a big enough grant I’m sure I can come up with some.

  13. wws says:

    Mario, if you give me a grant out of your new existence tax, I’m certain I can come up with a computer model showing you are exactly right. And for the right amount of money, I can find any number of academics who will “verify” it.

  14. A.D. Everard says:

    Neil says:
    June 16, 2013 at 9:21 am

    So the question now is… why did they lie to us?

    *

    Money, mate. Follow the money. Massive funding for the pseudo-scientists and billions syphoned into Green Schemes. There’s a lot of loaded pockets out there, all under the guise of Saving the Planet from the Sin of Humans. Oh yeah, and power over the masses, too – the Green Dream.

  15. OldWeirdHarold says:

    They’ll be back.

  16. Chad Wozniak says:

    Note to Anthony: the link to the NZ article isn’t working (for me at least).

  17. Roy UK says:

    The link is not working for me either :(

  18. Richard Lawson says:

    The shift to more rational thought is really starting to happen in the MSM now too. Looks like Daily Mail journalists are avid readers of this site referring to two recents posts here:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2342434/DAVID-ROSE-Madness-Met-Office-Summit-meeting-weather–normal.html

    Time to uncork another one of those fine Clarets this evening.

  19. rtj1211 says:

    THe lessons that people must learn are not so much specific to ‘global warming’ but the strategies of misinformation and the narrow agendas which underpin them.

    Here is a list of a few of those:

    1. ‘Reds in the Bed’.
    2. ‘Climate Change’, be that ice ages or AGW.
    3. Bird Flu.
    4. Y2K.
    5. South Sea Bubble.
    6. Tulips.
    7. Racism.
    8. Sports reporting.
    9. Conditioning societies to believe in very right wing postulates or very left wing postulates.
    10. ‘War on drugs’.
    11. GM as an agricultural saviour.
    12. Reductionist science for complex systems.

    Each and every one is about a small set of avaricious greedy people seeking to deliberately misinform for the purpose of making a lot of money, with total disregard for the systemic implications either short-term or long term.

    All require a compliant media (which requires oligarchic ownership to co-ordinate it across media), poor education systems ensuring the majority cannot educate themselves about the truth of matters, a culture of greed which encourages enough to get onto the moving train to drive the tsunami and a culture of callous amorality in then bankrupting them by revealing the truth without being prosecuted for it.

    In different ages, the timescales and the media of communication are different.

    But the key component every time is informational assymmetry and using that to misinform for malignant purposes.

    Healthy societies must develop an immune system to defend against such challenge.

    It involves a rejection of hierarchies and an establishment of multi-generational self-sufficiency, skeptical education and confidence to go against the misinformational tsunami.

  20. Master of Space and Thyme says:

    There seems to be a possibility that the New Zealand Business Review article was not completely honest in their account of what was said at the conference. I am not sure of the policy at WUWT regarding the posting of links, but I have found several online accounts that differ from what New Zealand Business Review claims, including transcripts of the speeches and a summary on the Green’s own webpage.

  21. Martin says:

    According to this article the NZ Greens have NOT lost interest in Global Warming…
    Conference shows that action is needed on climate change now – See more at: http://www.greens.org.nz/press-releases/conference-shows-action-needed-climate-change-now#sthash.zTTql51U.dpuf

  22. Ric Werme says:

    Looks like the whole http://www.nbr.co.nz/ site is down – I get “Unable to connect Firefox can’t establish a connection to the server at http://www.nbr.co.nz.”

    Traceroute works, ping works:

    $ ping -c 2 http://www.nbr.co.nz
    PING nbr.mycdn.co.nz (216.139.211.164) 56(84) bytes of data.
    64 bytes from 216-139-211-164.aus.us.siteprotect.com (216.139.211.164): icmp_req=1 ttl=47 time=72.4 ms
    64 bytes from 216-139-211-164.aus.us.siteprotect.com (216.139.211.164): icmp_req=2 ttl=47 time=74.2 ms

  23. Stamper says:

    The NZ Greens are currently led by an Aussie [ex?] Communist and a lady [ex?] Anarchist. Classic “watermelons” – and scary stuff for us if they gain the treasury benches in next years elections. Luckily, the present Conservative Government is just kicking the can down the road re AGW, and waiting for the fad to pass.

  24. stamper44 says:

    The NBR site is up – but Rodney’s articles are behind a paywall.

  25. Peter in NZ says:

    Stamper – the Greens have a good chance end 2014 of being part of the next government I am afraid. I call it 50:50.

  26. Ian Cooper says:

    As much as Rodney Hide is at the pit face so to speak and knows all involved very well I don’t get the same impression of our Greens from out here in the wide electorate. On June 6th this year we were treated to the sight on TVNZ prime time news of a senior woman bureaucrat from the UN (no not our own former Prime Minister Helen Clarke) admonishing New Zealand for not being the leaders in a new Kyoto agreement, aparently at the invitation of the NZ Green Party.

    They may not be delivering the ‘fire & brimstone’ speeches anymore, I think they may have re-thought that tactic. This doesn’t mean that when they get their chance at co-running the show that we won’t suddenly find ourselves the Don Quixote of the Save the Planet from Mankind Brigade. Our next government will give the Greens their head on this so that we can commit economic suicide in order to reduce 20% of our 2% contribution to the 3% contribution to the supposed anthropogenic portion of the carbon cycle i.e. 0.0003% saved. Will the world be ever so grateful when we are bankrupt and asking for handouts from the World Bank?
    The biggest danger to the future of New Zealand is the New Zealand Green Party and some of their wacky ideas.

    Cheers,

    Coops
    The

  27. Billy NZ says:

    Hi to all.An article in Fairfax gave mckibben a fair grubbing after his last show in Dunedin on do the maths.Even they are changing.

  28. DirkH says:

    rtj1211 says:
    June 16, 2013 at 12:55 pm
    “THe lessons that people must learn are not so much specific to ‘global warming’ but the strategies of misinformation and the narrow agendas which underpin them.”

    Sure, the warmist movement was very enlightening in this regard.

    “Here is a list of a few of those:
    [...]
    9. Conditioning societies to believe in very right wing postulates or very left wing postulates.”

    As you mention the left-right dichotomy, maybe you are interested in this:
    http://www.politicalcompass.org/

  29. Lewis P Buckingham says:

    Grumpy Old Man says
    June 16,2013 at 8.57.am
    Cui Bono source please.
    It would seem to be impossible to predict demographics so far ahead.
    I saw in a Quadrant article that if you extrapolated in a straight line the population of Germany there would be no one left in 200 years due to their birth rate being below the net reproductive rate for survival.
    However this may not happen due to new people coming in with migration.
    It remains though that if any population falls below their net reproductive rate for three generations then it will disappear.

  30. Dr K.A. Rodgers says:

    The NBR article was written by a right-wing Kiwi who has suffered some savage political wounds in recent years. His views are not to be taken seriously.

    The NZ Greens are extremely politically astute. Their focus is on winning a substantial share of the Party Vote in the election next year.

    New Zealand operates on an MMP political system (like Germany). Each elector has two votes: an Electorate Vote and a Party Vote. The Greens are well aware they are most unlikely to win an electorate seat and so are focussed on maximising their share of the Party Vote. It is not inconceivable this could run as high as 15-20% next year.

    Hence they do not waste time talking of AGW. To do so is to preach to the converted. It is a not a vote-getter amongst the rest of the electorate. Instead the Greens are focused on maximising the number of party votes – largely by whittling them off Labour. Their aspiration is, at the very least, that after the election they will be a large tail wagging the dog of a Labour Government.

    Rest assured, if this to should come to pass, AGW will be back on the agenda and what has happened in the rest of the globe will pale into insignificance with what the Greens have planned for New Zealand.

  31. Ian H says:

    The NZBR link still works for me. I live in NZ. It is possible they are checking IP addresses and only serving the article to those living in NZ.

  32. Stamper says:

    @ Peter in NZ says: June 16, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    I don’t call it 50:50 – I call it economic doom

  33. Kev-in-Uk says:

    I think the Greens are are running scared. I don’t mean the real genuine concerned environmentalist type greens – I mean the political or semi-political, NGO organisations that have acted as ambulance chasers on the back of the AGW hype. Their ‘income’ and viability is now under threat – all the save the whales, save the seals, save the monkeys, etc etc charities have used AGW as a free ride to further funding. That AGW will (undoubtedtly, in my mind) eventually be seen to be a complete false alarm and indeed, likely a ‘fabrication’ of epic proportions, and that they have shouted it so high from the roof tops, will make any other (and certain less humanly catastrophic) real or genuine message seem somewhat tame. Your average Joe in the street is less likely to sign up for their £5 a month ‘green’ fix if they find out that AGW is a hoax! After all, it is all we have been ‘educated’ (ok, brainwashed !) about for the last couple of decades!
    I hope the real environmental issues are not forgotton, and indeed, the genuine ‘good’ causes are still supported – but folk have long memories after they have been duped – and I think this will backfire on the genuine ‘green’ movement terribly. Those NGO’s that still have some scientific integrity (can’t think of any offhand !) should get out and come clean whilst they can IMHO.

  34. RossP says:

    It looks like Dr KA Rodgers is trying to recover something for the Greens NZ.

    Kev-in-Uk is right saying ..” I don’t mean the real genuine concerned environmentalist type greens – I mean the political or semi-political, NGO organisations that have acted as ambulance chasers on the back of the AGW hype. Their ‘income’ and viability is now under threat ……..”

  35. Ian H says:

    @K.A.Rodgers: The possibility of a Green tail wagging the Labour dog is absolutely killing Labour in the polls. Expect National to add to this by ignoring Labour and campaigning against the Greens in the upcoming election. Adding to Labours woes, it is now clear that Russel Norman is the effective opposition party leader that David Shearer only wishes he could be, which means Labour struggle to achieve visibility. We face an interesting election. As a floating voter I am most unhappy. I will not vote for Labour so long as it means empowering the Greens. That means I will probably vote for National. But I am uncomfortable with them having such a long spell in government. They start to get ideas.

    Labour got utterly thrashed in the last election and seems to have failed to learn anything from it. They have not used their time in opposition productively. What does Labour stand for? Who knows, least of all Labour. I wish Labour had the balls to properly break away from the Greens. Traditional Labour was all about supporting the working people of New Zealand. It is hard to see how enabling the Greens to destroy the economy does that.

  36. Niff says:

    To echo other New Zealanders explaining the nuances of this, the article by an ex poitician (of the right) pointing out that the (co)leader of the Greens deliberately avoided this question (CAGW) reflects a specific tactic to appeal to a broader church.

    All the insidiousness of the marxist playbook is evident. Power is the goal, then we will see the knives out, big time.

    The Greens promoted a plan called NZ Power (in concert with the Labour party) aimed at setting up a nationalised purchasing authority for wholesale power. You guessed it, it was nothing whatever to do with lowering the cost of power by centralised purchasing, but was all about derailing the sale of public power companies that was taking place at the time.

    But just think what would happen if they succeed in establishing NZ Power….you don’t think they would purchase dirty power generated from coal-fired power stations, do you? And how long would it be before there was a wind power and/or solar power mandate for some percentage of each power company?

    The Greens are watermelons, green on the outside, red in the middle. They are NOT TO BE TRUSTED. All they want is your vote, only then will you find out how bad it can be.

  37. Niff says:

    Oh, BTW, NZ already produces 70% of its power from renewable sources. So the greens attack farming. Its TOO intensive, too much cow farts….etc etc.

  38. goldminor says:

    Mario martini says:
    June 16, 2013 at 10:40 am
    ————————————
    I’ll drink to that. Make mine a martini, also.

  39. James Allison says:

    The problem the Greens have with CAGW is that people look out their windows and see steady amounts or more snow on the ski-fields this last decade, continuing winter Arctic blasts of snow covering the South Island and the Desert Road, cooler summers and severe winter frosts – normal weather. The biggest threat we face just ain’t a vote catcher any more.

  40. James Allison says:

    Master of Space and Thyme says:
    June 16, 2013 at 1:04 pm
    There seems to be a possibility that the New Zealand Business Review article was not completely honest in their account of what was said at the conference. I am not sure of the policy at WUWT regarding the posting of links, but I have found several online accounts that differ from what New Zealand Business Review claims, including transcripts of the speeches and a summary on the Green’s own webpage.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I believe you are most welcome to post your links provided they are relevant.

  41. cui bono says:

    Sorry, was out for the day. Depopulation example: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2013/01/world_population_may_actually_start_declining_not_exploding.html

    The date of 2600 was one (semi-humorous?) conclusion based on the math if fertility rates continue to plummet as they are now.

    If you want to help out, please join the nuts at http://www.vhemt.org/ , where you can pick up a nice t-shirt extolling the virtues of a human-free world..

  42. Arno Arrak says:

    twenty first century, not twentieth century. Sorry.

  43. Marian says:

    Meanwhile the Alarmist prophet of AGW/CC Bill McKibben is in NZ. Unable to do the maths in His do the Maths Tour.

    Here’s what he says about Oil in an interview in with the NZ Chicken Littles at Hot Topic.

    McKibben: NZ needs to move away from oil and coal

    http://hot-topic.co.nz/mckibben-nz-needs-to-move-away-from-oil-and-coal/

  44. sophocles says:

    Apparently Bill McKibben is in NZ this month trying to
    push his party line. He must be pretty upset by it.

    Couldn’t happen to nicer idi.. ah … individual.

    According to him, NZ `needs’ to move away from oil and coal.
    To what? Whale oil?

    NZ has lots of coal, a bankrupt coal miner, not a lot of wind
    (last summer was very calm, for weeks at a time, the last couple
    of weeks have had a few gusts but it isn’t consistent), the sun
    doesn’t shine 24×7, and there is lots of overcast. It can have
    weeks of overcast.

    So what should NZ move to? Wood? NZ has a lot of that but
    doesn’t own it any more.

    Hydro power? All the major rivers and some of the minor ones
    are already dammed and most of the power generated is hydro.
    Geo-Thermal power? It’s available, but is already heavily tapped.
    Not every hot spring is suitable for power generation.

    The fossil fuel generators are standby generators anyway, for
    when river and lake levels drop. So what’s he yattering on about?

    Blowed if I’m going to walk everywhere. Hate horses, especially
    their by-product.

  45. Alexander K says:

    Dr Rogers has given a very good summary (above) of the Greens tactical spin. If they are not talking about CAGW, they are certainly intending doing serious financial damage to the NZ economy under the banner of CAGW.
    And Bill McKibben has proven to Kiwi audiences that his science and his math are hopeless!

  46. Ian H says:

    @sophocles: I disagree with you about the amount of wind in New Zealand. Our location in the roaring 40′s makes us one of the most consistently windy places in the world. That is why our sailors are so good. If you learn to sail in New Zealand in a real wind then handling the piddling breezes they have in most other places is a piece of cake.

    New Zealand is probably one of the few places in the world where wind power is going to be economic even in the absence of government supports and incentives. And our high percentage of power from hydro also means we can effectively shift the load and compensate for variable wind power without the need to keep standby thermal generators spinning.

  47. george e. smith says:

    “””””…..Ian H says:

    June 16, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    @K.A.Rodgers: The possibility of a Green tail wagging the Labour dog is absolutely killing Labour in the polls. Expect National to add to this by ignoring Labour and campaigning against the Greens in the upcoming election. Adding to Labours woes, it is now clear that Russel Norman is the effective opposition party leader that David Shearer only wishes he could be, which means Labour struggle to achieve visibility. We face an interesting election. As a floating voter I am most unhappy. I will not vote for Labour so long as it means empowering the Greens. That means I will probably vote for National. But I am uncomfortable with them having such a long spell in government. They start to get ideas.

    Labour got utterly thrashed in the last election and seems to have failed to learn anything from it. They have not used their time in opposition productively. What does Labour stand for? Who knows, least of all Labour. I wish Labour had the balls to properly break away from the Greens. Traditional Labour was all about supporting the working people of New Zealand. It is hard to see how enabling the Greens to destroy the economy does that…….””””””

    I seem to remember how the Labour Party was all about supporting the working people of New Zealand, back in the early 1950s. At the time, there was no internet, as far as I can remember; nor was there any efficient long range air cargo transport system.
    New Zealand’s economy, and the well being of its working people, was highly dependent on its export of wool, and butter and mutton/lamb, mostly to the UK, which was not a member of the EU at that time.

    So the economic well being of the working people of New Zealand, was totally dependent on an efficient working shipping industry, as virtually every export had to travel by ship; including NZ brains in Agriculture and other areas. Virtually all science graduates, were faced with having to ship out.

    So it was that maritime shipping system, that the Labour Party and its wharfie union goons decided to shut down; well of course to support the working people of New Zealand, who relied on the export / import trade. I remember the incidents of bike chain wielding “enthusiasts” assaulting people in parks to supplement their petering out union strike bank roll. The recently elected National Party, led by Sydney Holland, had displaced the long entrenched labor party in Parliament, partly as a result of the wharf unrest.

    Well the other thing that Holland had done, was to relieve the male 18 year olds, of their customary summer time compulsory military training stint, and set them to work on the docks, getting those ships moving again. Before long, nobody much noticed, the lack of wharfies on the job, and some others of the summer 18 year olds, made good use of their time collecting bike chains in public parks, so decent folks; the working people of New Zealand, could go safely about their business.

    After some semblance of normalcy returned, and the 18 yr. olds started going back to school, the less militant wharfies, started showing up at the docks, to see if they could get their old jobs back. The Labor goon ringleaders, of course, found themselves left out in the cold, they had wished on the working people of New Zealand.

    So then PM Holland resigned, and called a new General Election, to let the people decide the propriety of his action as regards the wharfie strike.

    National was re-elected in a landslide, (1956 I believe), and Sydney Holland led a long period of prosperity, for the working people of New Zealand.

    Seems to me, that John Key, is similarly working to rescue NZ from the oppression of the Helen Clark regime.

    Yes you have to keep their feet to the fire; but labour governments don’t seem to have a great history, of acting for the interests of the working people; mostly just keeping themselves in power, witness the House Democrats under Nancy Pelosi; “we have to pass it, to find out what’s in it ! “

  48. AB says:

    @ Ian H
    NZ wind has the same problem as in many countries. When there is a high pressure system the wind available is virtually nil. During winter evening peaks the Manawatu wind farms are operating at less than 1% of their installed capacity. Hydro firming is the buzz word for compensating for wind’s huge variability but NZ’s hydro lakes are shallow and are thereby storage constrained. If these lakes were to be used as backup then one third would need to be set aside. When the power is most needed during winter the hydro lakes are low – and the wind is not blowing. Pumped storage which is extremely expensive is not a viable option. When the wind is blowing it tends to affect the whole country and so wind farms ramp up and down pretty much in unison. When it blows too hard they shut the turbines down. The recent NZWEA conference is touting gas as the back up generation. Unlike Denmark etc we can’t make up the shortfall by importing power.

    Turbines are a maintenance nightmare and do not last as long as manufacturers claim. The wind farm industry is populated by the biggest collection of shysters and rent seekers you will find anywhere.

    Unfortunately I have had prolonged experience of the farcical Turitea wind farm consenting process which led to an elderly woman faking judicial authority to give an illegal “consent” for this environmental and economic disaster. The wind farms additionally consented in the neighbouring Wairarapa have the potential to blow up the grid if they all come on at once. All the detail is here. http://turiteadocuments.wordpress.com/

    If this green fantasy energy system ever comes to fruition expect economy damaging brownouts.

  49. Patrick says:

    “John from the EU says:

    June 16, 2013 at 9:25 am”

    Don’t worry, the NZ’s western island has their back. Climate change alarmism is strong this side of the Tasman sea.

    “Marian says:

    June 16, 2013 at 7:35 pm”

    We have the same message being broadcast from our own Climate Commission here in Aus. The alarmism here is truly sickening, well it is an election year after all.

  50. Dan Pangburn says:

    Find some of the reasons that the GCNs failed at http://consensusmistakes.blogspot.com/ and what actually caused the planet warm-up to 2001 and flat since then at http://climatechange90.blogspot.com/2013/05/natural-climate-change-has-been.html

  51. Patrick says:

    “george e. smith says:

    June 16, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    Seems to me, that John Key, is similarly working to rescue NZ from the oppression of the Helen Clark regime.”

    So many of my NZer friends long for her and Labours return. I was living in NZ when she came to power. Anyone earning more than NZ$60k suddenly had to pay 6% (I think it was) more in direct income tax. So, 39% income tax + 1.5% ACC levee + 12.5% GST on everything you buy with disposable, after tax, income. They are deeply unimpressed with Key even though Key was, errm key, in reducing the impact of NZ’s ETS across the economy. With National coming to power GST rose to 15% and with their partial ETS implementation living costs rose by about 8%.

    People also forget that Herr Clarken Fuhrer of Helengrad (To give her her nickname) was instrumental in the destruction of the health system, the best in the world at that time, NZ had in 1986 resulting in NZer’s seeking health treatment here in Aus. People do have short memories indeed.

    As for Jeanette Fitzsimons, she fell for the di-hydrogen monoxide spoof in e-mails back in about 2000-ish, so she’s not terribly smart.

  52. Patrick says:

    “AB says:

    June 16, 2013 at 10:50 pm”

    Of course many dams are built across fault lines. A flatmate of mine used to work for an energy company, I don’t recall which one now, but he was responsible for calculating what the effects of a 6+ magnitude quake would have on the Clyde dam (I think it was). Interesting stuff.

  53. Bert says:

    Why do they lie? It is because they are a part of the Environmental Industrial Complex. No different than the Military Industrial Complex. It is driven by self interest. The Environmental Industrial Complex has been on the up swing.

  54. TomR,Worc,MA says:

    Anthony Watts says:
    June 16, 2013 at 12:16 pm
    For some reason the article has been removed. It still exists in Google cache though.
    ==============================================
    I can’t imaging what the reason for the article’s removal………..

    Where can I find a “roling eyes” emoticon?

  55. Brian H says:

    Even idiots get tired of being shown to be idiots.

  56. phlogiston says:

    Richard Lawson says:
    June 16, 2013 at 12:34 pm
    The shift to more rational thought is really starting to happen in the MSM now too. Looks like Daily Mail journalists are avid readers of this site referring to two recents posts here:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2342434/DAVID-ROSE-Madness-Met-Office-Summit-meeting-weather–normal.html

    Time to uncork another one of those fine Clarets this evening.

    Cheers!

    This trend may be spreading to Europe – an EU daily I read at Brussels airport today mentioned an EU environment minister climate meeting where the agenda included the word adaptation “for the first time”.

  57. david elder says:

    In preacher’s parlance:

    The prediction is brimstone. The results so far are treacle.

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