Some days you have to wonder how supposedly rational and intelligent people who are considered professional scientists allow themselves to behave like this.
From Dr. Mann’s Twitter feed:
Source: http://twitter.com/MichaelEMann/status/316260453770723328
A simple “no” would suffice, but Dr. Mann seems determined to denigrate people that have different views than him such as Dr. Spencer’s Christian faith. How unprofessional.
It is yet another example of Climate Ugliness that pervades the mindset of AGW proponents.
UPDATE: In comments, “Jimbo” shows how Dr. Mann can easily accept the opinion of one person of faith, while denigrating another.
“Jimbo” Submitted on 2013/03/25 at 3:00 pm
Let me demonstrate now easy it is to denigrate. Care for an ad hominem dessert?
EXHIBIT 1
We have Dr. Spencer’s Christian faith. (A climatologist, Principal Research Scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, and the U.S. Science Team leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer (AMSR-E) on NASA’s Aqua satellite. He has served as Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center. He is known for his satellite-based temperature monitoring work, for which he was awarded the American Meteorological Society’s Special Award.)
EXHIBIT 2
We have John Cook’s Christian faith. (Cartoonist & part time fairytale proponent who tinkers with physics. “The second reason is my faith. I’m a Christian and find myself strongly challenged by passages in the Bible like Amos 5 and Matthew 25. I believe in a God who has a heart for the poor and expects Christians to feel the same way”).
I wonder, what would Dr. Mann say about Sir Issac Newton’s religious views were he alive today and question the AGW narrative?
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Notice how quickly Mann drew the climataster’s ultimate weapon, the ad hominem?
I say ‘ultimate,’ because…well, you know.
Right. Agreed. And yet that looks bad for Dr. Roy if he in fact has trouble accepting evolution. Fair or not, it does not reflect well (again if true) on his scientific objectivity. This is not to say the man is not entitled to his beliefs.
Woe be upon us if we engage in ad hominem attacks. I couldn’t possibly be a professional scientist if I did that without toeing the #globalwarming #climatechange line.
Mann really is a small, petty, ugly man. Not ugly in the physical sense, the man’s character is utterly [self-snip].
One would think that if Dr. Mann’s science is as settled and irrefutable as he says, a public debate with someone who disagrees would be an easy victory for him. And yet, all he can provide are insults. Methinks he doth protest too much.
Of course Michael Mann would refuse to debate Dr. Spencer. He knows better than to debate someone who really knows something about weather and climate.
He’s in definite need of a character infusion.
Cardinal error we all make from time to time: Intelligence is not equivalent to wisdom.
Yup. You’d think if he had such contempt for Dr. Spencer and Fox News and such scientific certainty that he’s correct that he’d be glad to demolish the skeptical position in a debate there; kill two birds with one stone, so to speak. Go figure.
You said it best
It’s not only creationist Christians who have doubts about Darwinistic evolution:
http://life.nationalpost.com/2013/03/23/what-has-gotten-into-thomas-nagel-leading-atheist-branded-a-heretic-for-daring-to-question-darwinism/
Desperation as reality sets in, so he attacks one and all.
Whilst I am one of the last people to ever defend Mr Mann, religious belief is irrational and illogical. To have a ‘religious’ faith is a mental illness or a problem with the brain – temporal lobe epilepsy. I fully realise that many will have a problem with this, but that’s how it actually is. You can believe something is real if you have fact-based evidence, but to believe something is real when you have zero evidence is frankly absurd. We should be progressing on fact-based truth. Instead, we daily have to put up with childish nonsensical statements based on pure belief. I don’t know if Dr Spencer denies evolution, but as an atheist I am very fed up with people (and even some who call themselves scientists) failing to apply science in rational thinking. Religious belief pervades the US – with no Senator able to admit to being an atheist, and even the film based on Charles Darwin’s life not being released in the US as it wouldn’t have gained an audience! Frankly, it’s high time some people grew up and stopped latching onto childish sillyness that has its roots in a time when we were ignorant of explanation.
Just proves what I said over on Bishop Hill in relation to another subject. This bunch of people have spent the last fifteen years avoiding/preventing the possibility of any debate on the issue of climate change.
They’re not going to change now.
Perhaps it’s a good thing that Isaac Newton is dead as well. Otherwise, Mann would refuse to believe in Gravity.
Roy Spencer is not an “evolution denier”. After two years investigating the question of evolution vs. intelligent design during his PhD studies, he came to the conclusion that, though both theories depend upon belief as opposed to evidence, the latter seemed more plausible than the former.
He says that, though species adapt to their environment to some extent, there is insufficient evidence in the fossil record (or, for that matter, in living flora and fauna) to demonstrate that fishes could adapt so radically as to become mammals or birds. He points out that theories that try to account for inter-species evolution by positing hitherto-unobserved leaps from one species to another are based not on evidence but on the near-total absence of it.
So Roy’s approach is strictly that of the questioning scientist, trying to account for gaps in the existing theory of evolution. He says evolution and intelligent design are the only two scientific theories of origins available to us, and that neither of these accounts for the moment of creation – the Big Bang – because the laws of physics by which we are enabled to observe and understand the visible creation only came into effect a tiny fraction of a second after the Big Bang, as Max Planck has pointed out.
My one question about intelligent design is why there seem to be no scientific papers about it in the reviewed literature. I should be grateful if anyone can help here.
Mann, a medieval-warm-period denier, is no doubt grateful that the Attorney-General of Virginia seems not to be actively pursuing his investigation of him under the Fraud Against Taxpayers Act 2000. However, is evident that a small and well-connected group of “scientists” (no names, no pack-drill) has been pushing the supposed evidence for catastrophic “global warming” well beyond what the science would support, in much the same way as irredentist evolutionary “scientists” have been claiming certainty where some element of legitimate scientific doubt unquestionably persists.
If scientific dissent such as that of Dr. Spencer on climate and on evolution is to be sneered at by charlatans such as Mann, and if funding goes only to scientific viewpoints which – however questionable the evidence for them – are politically “correct” and not to other viewpoints for which there is legitimate evidence, then the age of Enlightenment and Reason is dead and we are flung back into the Dark Ages. Mann needs an open mind, not an open mouth.
Does Dr.Spencer really disagree with evolution? If so, he is entitled to a belief as part of his faith in creationism, but I’m afraid I believe that would also impact in other areas of his scientific beliefs into cause and effect. Climate change is a power driver of evolution, so if he did not believe in evolution, what then?
I would doubt Michael Mann has any real understanding of the concept of Evolution. He certainly hasn’t demonstrated much understanding of climate science.
Like a child he hides his inability with insults.
A professional is one who is payed for what they do. An amateur is one who does something for the love of it. Being a professional tells very little about how much you know or about your actions. It only tells you that the person is doing something because of the money behind it. Much like engaging in the worlds oldest profession who are also at times called professionals.
I’ve posed this question before. Is Michael Mann a buffoon pretending to be a scientist, or a scientist pretending to be a buffoon?
Are we sure the “A” in CAGW doesn’t stand for
Ad hominem”?
I’ve no love for Mann but can see his point.
Dr. Spencer would surely agree that Dr. Mann is not very highly evolved.
pokerguy says:
March 25, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Right. Agreed. And yet that looks bad for Dr. Roy if he in fact has trouble accepting evolution. Fair or not, it does not reflect well (again if true) on his scientific objectivity. This is not to say the man is not entitled to his beliefs.
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Darwin also had problems between the science and his faith. He eventually came to the conclusion that they were not exclusive to each other but still struggled until his death. While not ever denying the existance of God he none the less tried to see science as an extension of his faith. To say that those that believe in Christ can not accept evolution is not entirely true except in some fundamentalist views.
BTW I am not particularily religious.