Too funny! Even Joe Romm’s bosses don’t think climate is an issue worth mentioning for 2013

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Romm must be fuming. After disappearing his formerly independent “Climate Progress” blog and merging it with the main Think Progress website, where he’s lucky to get a dozen comments a day. His parent organization, Think Progress, utterly fails to mention The Most Important Issue of All Time as a top issue for 2013. Oooh, that’s gotta hurt.

This morning, 31 December 2012, Think Progress provided 12 Progressive Resolutions for 2013. From better drug policy to immigration reform to enacting gun safety laws, many interesting (if not outright good) items in this list. Again, however, the telling thing is the absence of a critical set of issues.

Amid these 12, no (zero, nada, nilch) reference to climate change, the climate cliff, environment, clean energy, green jobs, energy efficiency, fossil fuel impacts on the political system, …

From Get Energy Smart NOW!  Stunning Think Progress Climate Silence

It is just one more indication that even the people pushing the issue don’t really much believe in it anymore, especially when we’ve had over a decade of no warming.

h/t to Tom Nelson

In related news, Bill McKibben has apparently gone insane with this latest statement:

‘Fossil-Fuel Companies Have Become Outlaws Against The Laws Of Physics’

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118 thoughts on “Too funny! Even Joe Romm’s bosses don’t think climate is an issue worth mentioning for 2013

  1. My computer model shows that increasing CO2 causes another Happy New Year. If trends continue, we’ll see this again next year!!! :-))

  2. Happy New Year, Anthony, to you and yours. And to the moderators and all the scientists and non-scientists whose honest contributions make this not just one of the must-read science blogs but one of the must-read BLOGS on the Internet.

    Anthony, you have a massive following, as I am sure you know, in the UK. Just keep telling the truth, my friend, as you have done for so many years. The rest will follow.

    God bless.

  3. I read Climate Progress daily and I’m sure Joe is rip-$hit about this snub. It seemed as if he was really pushing hard all through the national elections with more than the usual amount of articles daily, so maybe they decided that it just isn’t working, who knows. Most of those that comment on their strictly modded articles are quite loony, IMO.
    Btw, Joe Nova had a somewhat slightly related article recently titled “Sceptics Weather the Storm”.

    http://joannenova.com.au/2012/12/the-age-sceptics-weather-the-storm/

    Well worth a read.
    H.

  4. Romms day is done, thats why he was trying to scare up some traffic a few days ago.
    No traffic on his mutual admiration blog means no funding real soon.
    So long Joe, don’t let the door hit you in the back of your oversized ego .
    There’s a 2013 prediction for you. Along with the other useful ideologues being throw to the wolves as reality tightens in on the CAGW scam.

  5. So, now they’re starting to push nuclear. Well, if all you nuclear phobics hadn’t blocked nuclear power growth last century the US might be producing most of its power CO2 emission free right now. How does it feel to have doomed the planet with your shortsighted handwringing? Just kidding. The good news is the planet isn’t doomed, but perhaps y’all could learn a lesson from this. Leave the big decisions to people who aren’t prone to panic. Just think if y’all would have left it up to us skeptics back in the 60’s and 70’s we’d be predominantly nuclear right now.

  6. he’s lucky to get a dozen comments a day

    Objectively speaking, I Wonder what the hit count stats are down at………..better email stats man Mike.

  7. the residents of my little town sure as hell released some CO2 last night……from their beer!

    Happy New Year Anthony to you and your moderators and keep up the excellent work.

  8. Yes, in 2012 we survived the demise of the Mayan calendar, maybe in 2013 we might with a little lucky get to survive the demise of human caused global warming, all though given the present education level of the populace and media I do not think we will not be so lucky. Anthony and the rest of the contributors to WUWT, please keep up the good work and have a happy and prosperous new year and as an old Trekkie, I hope all of you live long and prosper. That is also true for the readers and commentators of the blog pro and con. Lastly I hope all of you have a good and prosperous new year and reflect for a moment on those who are still with us and remember those that have left us this year. Please remember life is what it is and it is all we have, with that in mind please remember it is up to us to make the most of it. Happy New Year!

  9. I hope the warmists don’t just quietly fold their tents and steal away in the night. Is there no place for admission of their fabrication/self-delusion? If there’s no bang, then their whimpers should at least be recorded so that all their misuse of science is not repeated. This site is doing its part. When will the futility of hyping global warming over the past few decades become commonly recognized and commented on in the dinosaur media?

  10. Happy New Year and thank you from the bottom of this reader’s heart. So good to have a sane, logical place to go.

  11. Lol, this is too funny Anthony, possibly the best thing you could ask for, better than any data you could throw at them, their own admission that AGW is not a big issue, lol, priceless!!

  12. Also, Happy New Year Anthony to you, all the people who help to run this site, and all of the bloggers!!

  13. Happy New Year to you Anthony and yours. Thanks for all you and your cadre do for the cause of sanity in the war against those who want to control virtually everything in our life.
    I am so glad that I found your site.

  14. I know it is Think Progresses phrasing not Anthony’s, but I have to say that restrictions on gun ownership and sales of ammunition which is what is actually described in the text of their article is not equal to gun safety.

  15. That bit of CAGW preaching by McKibben on the WSJ letters page is nicely countered on the same page by two concise and logical letters from Richard J. McDonald, Ph.D. and Paul Quigg.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323723104578187623383055986.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLEThirdBucket

    And the good thing is McKibben connects directly to the very mathematically practical article by Robert Bryce. It would be difficult to read that and not see the problems with the planned “solutions”. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324640104578161593492943144.html

  16. Learned a whole new phrase over there: “unchecked climate disruption” I thought that was what you got at the finale of NASCAR-Daytona fireworks! Saw that in July; a real show!

    Happy New Year, y’all! Yep, East Texas cold & rainy tonight! Love it!

  17. Happy New Year Anthony with many thanks.

    Wifey & I will probably open a bottel of bubbly in a couple of hours just to add a little more CO2 to the atmoshphere. Whether or not the CO2 will warm the room is questionable, but the “spirits” will certainly warm one’s spirits. Lechyd da!

    With hopes for better political leadership next year,

  18. Romm’s not just fuming, he’s smoking.

    As to admission of their fabrication/self-delusion? Dream on.

    Happy New Year yo’all… cold and soggy it is here too.

  19. 4thtech – have you not heard you are in a heat wave and drought please stop the propaganda.

    Sarc off\

    Happy New Years

    John

  20. Re: In related news, Bill McKibben has apparently gone insane with this latest statement:

    “Mr. Bryce is entirely correct that it will be hard to move away from fossil fuels, an enormous engineering challenge. But the Germans are demonstrating it can be done, ….”

    Entirely predictable and mendacious reporting. The Germans have belatedly realised that ‘Renewable’ energy production is intermittent and therefore unreliable. They, unlike the UK, are building 23 new coal-fired power stations to ensure that the lights don’t go out but more importantly to ensure that their industry remains competitive.

    http://www.cfact.org/2012/08/28/media-ignore-german-coal-plants-tout-propaganda-film-fuel/

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Coal_power_plant_proposals_in_Germany

    The real inconvenient truth!

    A very Happy New Year to one and all

  21. Who is Joe Romm?

    Didn’t there used to be a guy by that name who worked himself into a frenzy about something or other?

    My grandparents told me about him……..

  22. Romm must be going apoplectic over this “oversight”, he, he.

    I think 2012 became CAGW’s Waterloo and it’s all downhill from here.

    2013 looks to be another La Niña year, which will make 17-18 yrs of no warming.

    2013 will also mark the year that SC24 peaks and then starts its slide SC25, which will become the lowest SC since 1715.

    The PDO also started its 30-yr cool phase in 2008, so cooling Pacific Ocean temps will further push global temps down.

    It would be great if Climategate 3.0 e-mails could be released a few weeks prior to AR5’s release.

    2013 should be interesting.

    Happy New Year!!

  23. Happy New Year, Anthony!

    Am I right to think that the Best Science Blog has seen over a third as many people in the past year, than it got in the first 5? If your viewers keep expanding at that rate, romm’s little blip of a blog won’t even show on the charts!

  24. McKibben
    ‘they spend hundreds of millions of dollars daily looking for more. If their business plan is carried out, the planet tanks.’

    If they where actually doing that they make no money and it all they supposed to care about .

    ‘Mr. Bryce is entirely correct that it will be hard to move away from fossil fuels, an enormous engineering challenge. But the Germans are demonstrating it can be done,’

    By building more COAL fired power plants because they shut down nuclear and renewable has failed to work.

    Its pure good old fashion gibberish from McKibben and still no idea what the ‘mathematical logic’ the madness to supposed to based on actual is .

  25. Happy new year, Anthony, to you and all your team. All I can say is keep up the good work. Mr. McKibben’s latest “headline’ just shows how desperate these crooks have become …

    I trust that 2013 will bring, as Shakespeare would say, a further pox on all their houses.

  26. Happy New Year everyone, Καλή Χρονιά.
    May this be the year we’ve all been waiting for.

  27. McKibben says about the transition away from fossil fuels:
    “Mr. Bryce is entirely correct that it will be hard to move away from fossil fuels, an enormous engineering challenge. But the Germans are demonstrating it can be done,”

    This is a fallacy. Ignoring exploding electricity costs here in Germany, it has to be pointed out that electricity is only one seventh of our primary energy consumption. Furthermore, a lot of the renewable energy (maybe half of it) is old large hydro with no prospects of increasing very much in the future.

    Most fossil fuels are used for heating and transportation. Wind and solar do little in that market.

    After all the number crunching, you find out that new renewable – the subsidized ones – wind, solar, biomass, micro scale hydro (fish shredders in rivers) – contribute 1.5 % to our primary energy consumption.

    The Germans are therefore demonstrating it can’t be done would therefore be a more accurate statement.

  28. May 2013 be a great year for us all. May truth continue to win over hysterical confabulation.
    Thanks to Anthony Watts for this site. May 2013 be his best year yet: May prosperity, health and success come to him and his family. May WUWT continue its good work.
    McKibben and his thought-free ranting deserves a column of its own.

  29. Henry says:
    December 31, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    I read Climate Progress daily and I’m sure Joe is rip-$hit about this snub. It seemed as if he was really pushing hard all through the national elections with more than the usual amount of articles daily, so maybe they decided that it just isn’t working, who knows….
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    My take is the big money is moving to the next big bubble that has been prepped. The final law was put in place December 2010 and goes into effect this year. Organized screaming got a minor reprieve. Rosa Delauro’s toxic law was watered down and the killer clause removed

    “in any action to enforce the requirements of the food safety law, the connection with interstate commerce required for jurisdiction SHALL BE PRESUMED TO EXIST.”

    The inclusion of The Commerce Clause allows the US government to interfere within a state.

    Trojan Horse Law: The Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009 by Hans Bader, Counsel at the Competitive Enterprise Institute in Washington.

    …Ignorance about the law’s broad reach (and how it will be construed by the courts) has thwarted opposition to the bill, which will likely pass Congress. For example, a newspaper claims the bill “doesn’t regulate home gardens.” The newspaper probably assumed that was true because the bill, like most federal laws, only purports to reach activities that affect “interstate commerce.” ….

    But lawyers familiar with our capricious legal system know better. The Supreme Court ruled in Wickard v. Filburn (1942) that even home gardens (in that case, a farmer’s growing wheat for his own consumption) are subject to federal laws that regulate interstate commerce. Economists and scholars have criticized this decision, but it continues to be cited and followed in Supreme Court rulings, such as those applying federal anti-drug laws to consumption of even home-grown medical marijuana. Indeed, many court decisions allow Congress to define as “interstate commerce” even non-commercial conduct that doesn’t cross state lines — something directly at odds with Rep. DeLauro’s claims.

    The after the fact addition of the Commerce Clause to the Animal Welfare Act is what caught the Dollarite’s by surprise and resulted in the USDA threatening up to $3.9 million in fines for selling bunnies within state.

    The warning signs are already out.

    Being Like Soros in Buying Farmland Reaps Annual Gains of 16%

    [US] Farmland reaps high investment returns

    Credit Suisse: The Hunt for Land Has Already Started

    The more ominous are these:
    USDA Launches Database for Public to Sign-up and Show their People’s Gardens on Interactive Map; Promotes Access to Healthy Food, Sustainable Practices.

    Utah Garden Challenge Actually Government Registration In Disguise

    With a ‘fiscal cliff’ facing the White House why is one of his cabinet czars wasting money on registering home gardens?

    The push for a complete USDA file on EVERY person growing food or owning horses and livestock started in 2007, three years and one administration before the Food Safety Modernization Act and a just before the push for ‘Animal Traceability’ examples link and link. I talked to one of the USDA drones and she and the other office workers were completely bewildered by the hostility of the people they talked to in Ag census follow-up calls.

    The Ag census form is several pages long, very intrusive, very complete and at the time the information was available to anyone who asked for it. Sort of like the census done in Germany in the thirties. samford.edu: …Role of IBM and Ford Compared

    The take home from this is the Commerce Clause can be used as an excuse by the US government to control any and all aspects of an American’s life even though it has absolutely nothing to do with selling a product over state lines.

  30. from the Bill McKibben link:
    “….. away from fossil fuels, an enormous engineering challenge. But the Germans are demonstrating it can be done…”

    Was?? – hast die Springenwerk des Bill McKibben’s kaput gesschnappen?

    German Energy Agency Chief ‘We’ll Need Conventional Power Plants until 2050′
    SPIEGEL ONLINE – November 15, 2012

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-energy-expert-argues-against-subsidies-for-solar-power-a-866996.html

    Germans Grow Wary of Switch to Renewables
    SPIEGEL ONLINE – October 15, 2012

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/consumers-bear-brunt-of-german-switch-to-renewable-energies-a-861415.html

    German Energy Plan Plagued by Lack of Progress
    SPIEGEL ONLINE – October 10, 2012

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/energy-turnaround-in-germany-plagued-by-worrying-lack-of-progress-a-860481.html

    A New Role for Coal in German Energy Revolution
    SPIEGEL ONLINE – September 07, 2012

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/new-coal-fired-plants-could-be-key-to-german-energy-revolution-a-854335.html

    A Plea for a New Climate Strategy
    Europe Shouldn’t Try So Hard to Save the Planet

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/interview-with-kai-konrad-on-the-mistakes-of-european-climate-policy-a-870693.html

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/topic/climate_change/

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/topic/renewable_energy/

  31. Understanding the almost total lack of coherent logic amongst those desperately searching for something, anything, that will frighten the public requires the services of a good psychotherapist (none exist). They don’t search for truth – they manufacture their own version, and it is
    totally at odds with both logic and the scientific method. We can only conclude that they are driven by personal motivations that have nothing to do with reality, but much to do with their Jesus complex, although no one would confuse their ethics with those of the founder of Christianity.
    Rather than engage in scientifically meaningful discourse, they produce ad hominem arguments
    and generally silly and transparent slanderous statements. I lump them with JFK assassination
    conspiracy boneheads – lots of sensational claims, backed up by ridiculously inane arguments.
    These are scientifically illiterate folks who want to be noticed. How they do so doesn’t really matter. If climate change weren’t around, they would search for another vehicle to highlight their
    pristine “goodness.” In other words, they are uninteresting, self-centered bores.

  32. Nother Happy New Year from Texas. Rained like H*ll last night just in time to ring in the New Year. Anthony…good onyer.

  33. I know I state the obvious when I say that Romm and probably McKibben are true believers. They make the best tools. They are also the first to be dumped when the jig is up. When dumped if they have an “ah ha” moment they could be dangerous and not to the skeptics.

  34. As the new year dawns, lets not forget that sustainability is a moral imperative quite independent from CAGW.

  35. McKibben was too kind. “Criminals” is a much more appropriate term than “outlaws”. The fossil fuel companies are knowingly baking the planet, and are killing people every day. This site just proves the WC Fields adage: “There’s a sucker born every minute!”

  36. didn’t some socio-political strategist once utter the words “control the land and you control the people”?

  37. Romm will have a hard time with climate not beeing on that list, but I think nr.12 will make him go hyper-thermo-nuclear :)

    12. Invest in infrastructure.
    Our roads and bridges are literally crumbling, and analysts say the nation will need to make $2 trillion in immediate investments to update infrastructure. Hurricane Sandy underlined the problem, when 8.1 million people -– in homes, businesses, and hospitals — lost power.

  38. Mike Roddy says:
    January 1, 2013 at 8:15 am
    “The fossil fuel companies are knowingly baking the planet, and are killing people every day. ”

    No more ambulances, police cars and trucks delivering food in Mike Roddy’s world. Mike, how’s the Hollywood climate movie project going? Hope the good guys win using muscle power (and no handguns, as production of steel is a no-no.)

  39. Mike Roddy says: ‘McKibben was too kind. “Criminals” is a much more appropriate term than “outlaws”.
    Yep Mike, gotta identify, form a possy and round up all them “criminals” before its too late hey. Better get working on them re-education camps, no time to lose, because there’s murderers running amok all around us. Now take those meds and calm down, everythings fine.

  40. I wouldn’t celebrate just yet. Winning the blog wars is certainly better than losing them but not likely to have any/much impact on policy. This admin doesn’t factor evidence into it’s actions and doesn’t restrict it’s actions to constitutional limits. The EPA, whether under the leadership of Lisa Jackson or someone else will likely continue to implement costly and ineffective regulations aimed at CO2 mitigation.

  41. Markx wrote on December 31, 2012 at 8:30 pm: “That bit of CAGW preaching by McKibben on the WSJ letters page is nicely countered on the same page by… [and the earlier] very mathematically practical article by Robert Bryce…”

    If Markx’s links don’t work, try these:

    “Harvard Needs Remedial Energy Math,” by Robert Bryce
    December 16, 2012

    http://www.globalwarming.org/2012/12/17/harvard-needs-remedial-energy-math-robert-bryce/

    = http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324640104578161593492943144.html
    = http://pages.citebite.com/m8o7s9t9iydh

    Letters in response:
    December 25, 2012

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323723104578187623383055986.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLEThirdBucket

    = http://pages.citebite.com/e8m7e9r8vmyo

  42. I’m afraid I couldn’t resist, and posted the following comment at Joe Romm’s latest little screed at http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/01/01/1381111/new-year-open-thread-whats-your-climate-resolution/#comment-634711
    “My new year’s resolution (target?) is to not get my comments removed by ThinkProgress just because my view on global warming/climate change/climate disruption/extreme weather/call-it-what-you-will is not the same as Joe Romm’s.
    A seventeen year long warming plateau is very hard to reconcile with the exponentially increasing ‘Hockey Stick’ temperature curve created by Michael Mann and waved around by Al Gore in his famous film.
    So Joe, are you going to rise to the challenge and let my comment stand? Because, let’s face it, you’re getting so few people posting comments on your blog that I’d imagine you must be desperate for any comment you can get, no matter how critical it is of the CAGW hypothesis.
    Happy New Year!”

    I’d say to everyone here at WUWT to go and have a look in about 30 mins, but I doubt it’ll be there as I think I might be black-listed by Joltin’ Joe ever since I got into a hilarious e-mail conversation with him and he managed to work himself into a frenzy of spittle-flecked rage just because I wouldn’t believe that Man and his evil see-oh-toos wasn’t about to bring about Thermageddon.

    Happy New Year to all of us here at WUWT (a ‘slightly’ more wider-read blog than Joe’s ;))

  43. @ Matt Skaggs

    No, progress toward expansion off this planet is the moral imperative. Otherwise all of Earth’s ecology will be extinguished eventually. To this end we need the driving force that is population increase. So from my POV all you low entropy, sustainable, low population advocates are being short sided and endangering all known life in the long run.

  44. Ah the rude rock of reality that the bad ship CAGW has run into …..
    A very good start to the new year!

    Cheers everyone. Here’s hoping you didn’t overdo it last night.

  45. I saw that comment about CO2 gas trapped in a corked bottle. Maybe we should have a massive protest with everyone carrying bottled CO2 (from their own breath) and then threaten the public on releasing the gas in a city. Probably get arrested for releasing a pollutant (per the EPA). I’m sure a bunch of CAGW apologists will sure start jawing about this threat of releasing CO2 unbeknownst to them that they’ve just released many more times the amount of CO2 expelling their own hot air publicly.

  46. My daughter just mentioned – I had completely forgotten – that in our New Jersey winters we always used to have huge icicles all around the roofline of the house. When the kids were little and they were outside playing in the snow, they used to break them off like they were giant popsicles. I haven’t seen them in years. You really don’t need a physicist to tell you that the world is warming, and that the weather has become terrifyingly violent. It’s obvious. Somebody up in the thread toasted CO2 as the giver of green life. Indeed it is – it traps heat from the sun, otherwise, we’d be as cold as the moon. But just like water is essential to life, too much will drown you. Excessive CO2 such as we are adding by burning fuel, and the earth will become too hot to be habitable – by people, and a lot of what we like to eat.

  47. Mike Roddy says:
    January 1, 2013 at 8:15 am
    “This site just proves the WC Fields adage: “There’s a sucker born every minute!”

    You warmist types always seem to have trouble with the facts. That was P.T Barnum that said that, about another type of “greatest show on earth…”

  48. Andy Wilkins says:
    January 1, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Am annoyed with you now! ;)
    I went to see if you comment was there – it wasn’t – but I was ‘forced’ to read through several comments of complete crapola whilst looking…..
    urgh, I feel all ‘contaminated’, like someone has just clogged up my BS filters to overload!
    Have never been to that site before – and will never go again!

  49. Instead of answering in Climate Progress on the new year’s resolution in regard to climate change I’ll put it in here.

    My resolution is to burn more gasoline without the ethanol additive so that there would be more corn available for cows and pigs as a feedstock as well as food for people. Got to keep the BBQing culture alive.

    Expel more natural CO2 (i.e more exercising) from my own body into the surrounding air.

    Recognize the fact that those who use the term “deniers” are people who think ad hominems make valid arguments. And that’s red flag on their own knowledge of the subject.

    Tell global warmists to talk less so as not to expel dangerous CO2 gas into the surrounding air.

  50. “Matt Skaggs says: January 1, 2013 at 7:52 am
    As the new year dawns, lets not forget that sustainability is a moral imperative quite independent from CAGW.”

    I agree we need to take better care of our home but the biggest problem is a trillion dollar a year global arms race. Name me a problem you can’t solve with a trillion dollars a year thrown at it. You can’t because it doesn’t exist. No I’m not a bleary eyed unilateral disarm type but do you remember the boom in the 1990s? I sure do. It was the biggest growth in the world economy with more people getting a higher standard of living than at any time in human history. That my friend was due to a 10% cut in the global arms race. Imagine a 15 or 20 percent redirection of resources. Good times for all baby, good times for all.

    I’ve always been a fan of efficiency just because it is a smarter way to do things (IMHO). Sustainability is a buzzword that has yet to be done. Nobody has done it yet. Great goal but being more efficient in resource utilization is the first step.

    A reliable, cheap, efficient and clean source of energy is the foundation of any serious long term plan. Right now it is natural gas which nothing else can touch. As I said a few years ago that is the new baseline that alternatives (all other energy sources, not just wind and solar but coal, nuclear, hydro etc) will have to be competitive with.

  51. http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/01/01/1381111/new-year-open-thread-whats-your-climate-resolution/

    What a bunch of luddites this lot are, if our ancestors accepted the proposition that when you identify problems with technology you abandon technology, full nutrition etc we wouldn’t be where we are today.

    Human endeavour will find solutions to whatever challenges we face through innovation and adaptation. Not by abandoning that which allows our society to function.

  52. McKibben
    ‘they spend hundreds of millions of dollars daily looking for more. If their business plan is carried out, the planet tanks.’
    ========

    arthur4563 says:
    January 1, 2013 at 7:03 am
    Understanding the almost total lack of coherent logic amongst those desperately searching for something, anything, that will frighten the public requires the services of a good psychotherapist (none exist). They don’t search for truth – they manufacture their own version, and it is
    totally at odds with both logic and the scientific method.

    Here’s their motto: “Moderation is in defense of Gaia is no virtue; Alarmism in defense of Gaia is no vice.”

  53. Mike Roddy says: January 1, 2013 at 8:15 am ‘
    Better yet Mike, give us a sneak preview of the new world order you and your ilk have envisioned for us. You know the one where everybody works in a perpetual state of euphoria making everything from fairy dust using only sun beams and happy thoughts, sorta like the Bakers biscuit factory, or in your case the “sucker factory” where you’ve figured out perpetual motion and can summon objects into existence, like a bad/or good 60’s acid trip. Wow, into the Hollywood climate movie business then, Mike? Remember though if you make it big, no grand exits from the Limo, no bright lights, no expansive sound stages, and no tearful homage to Gaia – Ah well, too bad, small sacrifice for the planet hey? Come on Mike, there’s a lot of smart folks figuring out how to come up with workable solutions, even most of your “criminals”. And you want to put them all away, because that’s what you do to “criminals” don’t you Mike?

  54. Happy and Prosperous New Year, gang.
    Or at least may our happiness anomaly slide into positive range. Thanks again to all the experts who’ve shared their insights with us climate tourists.

  55. TRM said:
    January 1, 2013 at 10:04 am
    Ah the rude rock of reality that the bad ship CAGW has run into …..
    ——————————————-
    Rude rock? Intransigent iceberg! :)

  56. archonix says: January 1, 2013 at 10:01 am
    Matt Skaggs
    Please define “sustainability”.

    Getting more out of something than you put into it, i.e., Profitable.

  57. Meanwhile..the grass keeps growing, the sun still rises every day and the animals are quite happy frolicking in the paddocks and life continues.
    It does appear that those people who have wished the worst, fail to comprehend the obvious and prefer their own generated hysterics and assumptions to reality. These same culprits will unfortunately never admit they were wrong as former communist members in the USSR have demonstrated with their remembrance of that last anniversary, wishing for the “Good Ole Days”. They only look at the changing situations and circumstance and say they lost, in reality, they were just completely wrong but their ego would suffer way too much by that confession.
    Happy New Year.

  58. Mike Roddy says:
    January 1, 2013 at 8:15 am (Edit)

    McKibben was too kind. “Criminals” is a much more appropriate term than “outlaws”. The fossil fuel companies are knowingly baking the planet, and are killing people every day. This site just proves the WC Fields adage: “There’s a sucker born every minute!”

    ==========================================================================
    Show us some coroner reports and or some death certificates that attribute the deaths of people “killed every day” to climate change.

    Also, a reminder for readers about Mr. Roddy’s view of people he disagrees with: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/10/22/my-thanks-to-mike-roddy-for-helping-with-best-replication/

  59. Gail Zawacki says:
    January 1, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Is it possible that the insulation in the roofs of houses is far better than what they had in the past? Never mind the HVAC systems operating completely differently than a dozen years ago? Water vapour transport through attic ventilation? All fairly recent developments in housing.

    By all means, continue in your beliefs without using any logic or reasoning skills (or research apparently ).

    As for “terrifyingly violent”, please enlighten us less-informed as to what you are referring to exactly? Hurricanes, tornadoes, droughts, flooding? Is it Tropical Storm Sandy perhaps?

    Continue reading WUWT? and you will begin to understand that none of what you fear stands up under scrutiny ( i.e. actual data ).

  60. Kevin-in-Uk said:
    January 1, 2013 at 10:18am

    Sorry! ;)
    Yep, as I predicted, my comment failed to pass the Rommulan’s gate-keepers.
    Like you, I find the comments from Joe’s acolytes about living in tepees, recycling their own farts, and waving ‘Death to the Republicans!’ placards at Eco-festivals all rather stomach-churning.

    I wouldn’t care about them one jot if it wasn’t for the fact that people in the media like Romm are helping to perpetuate a myth that is diverting trillions of dollars, pounds, euros, etc away from truly worthy causes (such as securing a better stand of living for those in the developing world) and into the pockets of people such as Al Gore.

    /rant

  61. I’ve responded at get Energy Smart NOW but doubt they would let the truth get out on a blog they control.

  62. This is what is called Attitude Polarisation: you become more extreme, they become more extreme, until each position is a caricature of itself. If there are opportunities for reasoned debate, that would be more fruitful. I am quite new to this so please excuse me if I have intruded in a festival of back-clapping among those who share a view. Happy 2013.

  63. Gail Zawacki says:
    January 1, 2013 at 10:15 am says “in our New Jersey winters we always used to have huge icicles all around the roofline of the house.”….” I haven’t seen them in years.”
    **************************************************************************************
    Building codes have been tightened. There is more insulation in the attic preventing the escape of heat. That lack of heat prevents snow on the roof from melting and re-freezing into icicles.

  64. While the jokes are enjoyable, the reality is that this is a devastating blow to the CAGW crowd.

    The US general public does not give a hoot about CAGW.

    I notice that Lisa Jackson (head of EPA) is gone. It will be interesting to see how Obama jumps on CO2 related matters. My guess is that it will be shuffled further and further to the back of the pack. But, since The Environment is like Momma’s apple pie, plenty of subsidies will still be handed out to favoured constituents, whose credentials are based on the discredited CO2 scare.

  65. “Think Progress, utterly fails to mention The Most Important Issue of All Time as a top issue for 2013. Oooh, that’s gotta hurt.”

    *

    Failed to mention any of it? Is this their strategy for retreat, do you think? Will the sign come out next, saying: “Under New Management” followed perhaps by declarations of “That wasn’t us!” and “Wot climate?”

    They’ll all be doing it soon.

    Oooh, I think 2013 is going to be a wonderful year! :) :) :)

  66. Mike Roddy says:
    January 1, 2013 at 8:15 am

    Simple suggestion for you and that is survive a Northern Hemisphere winter with no fossil fuels at all. (50N+) No clothes materials made from them (plastics etc), no electricity generated from them. Not sure how you would even get clean water because all the packaging and process uses fossils fuels. Can you cope with no heating and no clean water for a entire winter? They have a important energy source that the planet needs and that’s why they are rich, How many would die without any energy source from fossil fuels? Nothing to back up your nonsense claim and your right, there is a sucker that was born here.

  67. I think somebody’s reality filtration system suffered a total failure system because Hufpo allowed this to be published,

    70% of the carbon free power in America is still generated by nuclear, even though we haven’t built a new nuclear plant in this country in the last 30 years. Hydro is a distant second. Wind and solar are rounding error. Worldwide, it’s even more skewed: nuclear is more than 100 times bigger than solar and more than 100 times bigger than wind. If I drew a bar chart of nuclear vs. solar vs. wind use worldwide, you wouldn’t even see solar and wind on the chart.
    So our best bet is to join the parade and get behind supporting the big elephant. We put all the wood behind one arrow: nuclear. We invest in and promote these new, low-cost modular nuclear designs worldwide and get the volumes up so we can drive the price down. These plants are low-cost, can be built in small capacities, can be manufactured quickly, and assembled on-site in a few years.

    This is way to close to making sense for Hufpo!

  68. RE: Calvin Long says:
    January 1, 2013 at 1:26 pm
    Gail Zawacki says…….

    It is kind of you to explain the improvements in insulation to Gail, Calvin. She needs some care and calming. I checked out her site, “Wit’s End,” and she has page after page of worries. There is not a tree that dies, but she uses it to reaffirm her fears. There is a lot of work involved in creating such a site, pages and pages of typing, but I could go through topic after topic that she lists, calming her, reassuring her…..if she really wanted that. But…does she?

    Did Chicken Little really want to be told everything was all right and the world wasn’t coming to an end? Or did she sort of like feeling like Paul Revere and like a hero, and resent being told she was making much ado about nothing?

  69. I suppose I come at this from an odd place. I don’t deny anthropogenically caused disastrous climate change. But, neither do I believe that there are clean energy solutions. This pretty much guarantees that nobody likes me!

    There is no way that so-called “green” or “clean” energy can replace the formidable wattage derived from fossil fuels which, after all, ARE fossils in that that they contain energy concentrated over fossilized – millions of years – worth of solar power. Most climate activists (who earn a living proclaiming) like to advocate a switch to solar, wind, geothermal, and magic. I think they are deluded.

    However, it’s also true that:

    1. we are going to run out of fossil fuels (the fantasy of endless nat gas fracking notwithstanding) and

    2. even before that, we are going to choke, quite literally, on the pollution.

    That is my main concern. Aside from the inexorable global warming that is going to render much of the earth uninhabitable for every life form we care about (including our own), ozone pollution is rapidly destroying vegetation, which happens to be the bottom of the food chain.

    If that notion bothers you at all, download a free book about it (http://www.deadtrees-dyingforests.com/pillage-plunder-pollute-llc/), or check out the blog (http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/) for timely updates.

  70. Here’s the response to your question about deaths from burning fossil fuels, Anthony:

    https://sites.google.com/site/yarravalleyclimateactiongroup/pollution-deaths-from-fossil-fuel-based-power-plants

    This data is really only disputed by the oil companies.
    I think there is hope for you, Anthony, and you could become a force for good just as my old UCB colleague Richard Muller was. You are both more reasonable and humane than some of your fellow skeptics. There is no shame in changing one’s mind in view of the evidence- in this case, from IEA, Price Waterhouse, World Bank, Hadley CRU, etc.

    REPLY: Mike, I asked for coroner reports or death certificates, you provide an activist website. Sorry, epic fail on your part – Anthony

  71. I hate to bust any bubbles, but all this means is that stinkprogress is only reallocating resources to focus on other issues to use as drivers in their push to destroy capitalism specifically and western civilization in general. Romm is a professional propagandist. His activities will just be shifted to other areas. The Marxist zombies that they target are easily confused if they have to many issues to rally around. The use of CAGW as a driver will just be backburnered for awhile until the climate is better for it. There are no true believers. There are only those who will use any issue as a pretext, and the useful idiots they manipulate. Those useful idiots will believe eveyrthing they are told to believe and forget about it as soon as they are told to believe something else.

  72. What Gail Zawacki said at January 1, 2013 at 10:15 am

    As is often the case, by the time I get through the comments I find that at least two people have pointed out the obvious flaws (or overlooked reasons) for a “telltale sign” of AGW put forth by some “average citizen” who has (quite understandably) bought into the MSM hyped and school system saturated AGW point of view.

    Thank goodness Gail came to WUWT in time to enlighten her friends and children to the scam being foisted on her by the warmists.

    Dear Gail, if you think Irene and Sandy were terrifying, please read some history on hurricane landfalls on the east coast within the last 100 years. You can even look on wikipedia for some great lists of east coast hurricanes ranked by death and destruction (terror). Like this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deadliest_Atlantic_hurricanes

    Enlighten yourself!

  73. I don’t think that there will be a single moment that will be a surrender in the climate war. The field will slowly be abandoned as the leaders move on to greener pastures and leave the useful tools sputtering but but but. I am not saying they won’t milk this gig for every penny they can for as long as they can but I do see light at the end of the tunnel. We are going to be seeing a lot of retreating this year.

  74. You can feel like you’re winning this, but I’m afraid there is going to be a real shock soon. It is simply too tempting to raise a lot of new money based on “saving the earth.” Whether the science is junk has little to do with this, as it is about the money and what that money will do politically. I’m afraid we’ll lose the war . . .

  75. TRM says:
    January 1, 2013 at 10:23 am
    ….Sustainability is a buzzword….
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    …for the return to serfdom. The goal is to drive all humans into cities where you are stuck for life. Small business will not be an option (too many regs, not enough room, too expensive) so you get to work for a transnational and if you tick them off you are in a world of hurt since you are STUCK and can not move. Callit a return to the ‘Company town’ concept or Feudalism, it is the same.

    See Video – UN Agenda 21 for a very good explanation by a California liberal bureaucrat.
    .

  76. Mike Roddy at 3:41 pm

    Gotta tell you Mike, the link you left is a joke. It contains links to folks who reference each other, and themselves, without ever linking to specific studies. It’s just one big Gaia circle jerk.

    Whoa, 100,000 people killed by electric generation world-wide (the horror!).

    Try powering just one good sized northern city with electricity from wind and solar and see how many people either die (the green power WILL come back on before we freeze to death), or move quickly (in gas powered transport) to somewhere that isn’t completely insane.

    No thanks.

  77. gamanrad says:
    January 1, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    This is what is called Attitude Polarisation: you become more extreme, they become more extreme, until each position is a caricature of itself. If there are opportunities for reasoned debate, that would be more fruitful…..
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    We wish a reasoned debate were possible, it is not.

    This is where the other side is coming from:
    Robert Watson a World Bank employee was IPCC chair….

    World Bank Carbon Finance Report for 2007
    The carbon economy is the fastest growing industry globally with US$84 billion of carbon trading conducted in 2007, doubling to $116 billion in 2008, and expected to reach over $200 billion by 2012 and over $2,000 billion by 2020…

    None of that $2,000 billion produces anything of use to the human race. It just represents a transfer of wealth from the poor to the financiers.

    The IPCC mandate states:

    The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) was established by the United Nations Environmental Programme (UNEP) and the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) in 1988 to assess the scientific, technical and socio-economic information relevant for the understanding of human induced climate change, its potential impacts and options for mitigation and adaptation.

    http://www.ipcc-wg2.gov/

    In other words humans were found guilty before the trial was even started. The IPCC is the prosecution and the skeptics are counsel for the defense. However the court (aka the media) will not even let the defense counsel onto the court house steps.

    This is not surprising since the banks own the media and will profit handsomely from the CAGW scam as will the energy companies.

    The following will give you a flavor of the type of power behind CAGW. For example:

    Ged Davis is the Shell Oil VP who wrote the Sustainability Scenarios for the IPCC such as “Sustainable Development (B1)” found in the February, 1998 Climategate e-mail which asks for comments on the attachment: “Draft Paper for the IPCC Special Report on Emissions Scenarios by Ged Davis”

    David Hone is not only SHELL OIL’S Senior Climate Change Adviser he is also Chairman of the International Emissions Trading Association. Besides lobbying the UK Parliament to strangle Shale Gas by insisting that CCS be deployed – in which venture he’s succeeded – he and his mentor James Smith, SHELL OIL’S previous UK Chairman, took SHELL very deeply into Carbon Trading.

    MORE BACKGROUND:

    InterAcademy Council
    Annex A. Study Panel Biographies

    Ged DAVIS has a background in economics and engineering from London and Stanford universities. He joined the Royal Dutch/Shell in 1972 and stayed with that company for 30 years. During his time at Shell, he held positions predominantly in scenario planning, strategy and finance, including Head of Planning (Europe), Head of Energy (Group Planning), Head of Group Investor Relations, Head of Scenario Processes and Applications, Head of the Socio-Politics and Technology Team (Group Planning), and lastly as the company’s Vice-President for Global Business Environment and Head of the Scenarios Team. For the last three years, he has been [Managing Director of the World Economic Forum, responsible for global research, scenario projects, and the design of the annual Forum meeting at Davos. During the late 1990s, he served as Director of the World Business Council for Sustainable Development’s Global Scenarios and as Facilitator and Lead Author of the IPCC’s Emission Scenarios. Currently, he is Co-President of the Global Energy Assessment with the International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis (IIASA); a Director of Low Carbon Accelerator Limited; a Governor of the International Development Research Centre in Ottawa; and a Member of the INDEX Design Awards Jury.

    http://iac.maxasp2.diamax.com/CMS/Reports/11840/11935.aspx?PrinterFriendly=true

    Banks and the Media:

    U.S. Congressional Record February 9, 1917, page 2947
    In March, 1915, the J.P. Morgan interests, …got together 12 men high up in the newspaper world and employed them to select the most influential newspapers in the United States and sufficient number of them to control generally the policy of the daily press in the United States.

    JP Morgan: Our next big media player?

    Judge OKs Tribune reorganization plan

    Comcast and GE Complete Transaction to Form NBCUniversal
    Comcast Corporation (Nasdaq: CMCSA; CMCSK) and General Electric (NYSE: GE) yesterday closed their transaction to create a joint venture… The new company is 51 percent owned by Comcast, 49 percent owned by GE,… J.P. Morgan was lead financial advisor to GE with Goldman Sachs and Citi acting as co-advisors….

    Press Release: Comcast and GE to Create Leading Entertainment Company
    …. NBCU has obtained $9.85 billion of committed financing through a consortium of banks led by J.P. Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, BofA Merrill Lynch and Citi….

    Enron, joined by BP, invented the global warming industry. I know because I was in the room.
    …The basic truth is that Enron, joined by other “rent-seeking” industries — making one’s fortune from policy favors from buddies in government, the cultivation of whom was a key business strategy — cobbled their business plan around “global warming.” Enron bought, on the cheap of course, the world’s largest windmill company (now GE Wind) and the world’s second-largest solar panel interest (now BP) to join Enron’s natural gas pipeline network, which was the second largest in the world….

    Nasty tangle is it not?

  78. witsendnj says:
    January 1, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    I suppose I come at this from an odd place. I don’t deny anthropogenically caused disastrous climate change. But, neither do I believe that there are clean energy solutions. This pretty much guarantees that nobody likes me!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    May I suggest you research Thorium Nuclear?
    Here is a start:

    http://www.technewsdaily.com/2307-nuclear-power-thorium-future.html

    http://thoriumsingapore.com/content/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=57&Itemid=57

    http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf62.html

    http://www.nuclearfaq.ca/brat_fuel.htm

    http://wardsauto.com/ar/thorium_power_car_110811

    And FUSION: http://www.iter.org/

  79. Samurai said (January 1, 2013 at 1:08 am)

    “…Romm must be going apoplectic over this “oversight”, he, he.

    I think 2012 became CAGW’s Waterloo and it’s all downhill from here.

    2013 looks to be another La Niña year, which will make 17-18 yrs of no warming.

    2013 will also mark the year that SC24 peaks and then starts its slide SC25, which will become the lowest SC since 1715.

    The PDO also started its 30-yr cool phase in 2008, so cooling Pacific Ocean temps will further push global temps down.

    It would be great if Climategate 3.0 e-mails could be released a few weeks prior to AR5′s release.

    2013 should be interesting…”

    To me, the “climate scientists” won’t start the wailing and gnashing of teeth until we see the first “global temperature anomaly” index go below zero.

    Remember, that their “anomaly” charts (for example, GISS), uses a period from the past (GISS – 1951-1980). IFAIK, there are no charts they use that shows the global anomalies from the LIA, or during the Maunder minimum based on that 1951-1980 period.

    Imagine how much more extreme those temperature charts would appear if every bit of that warming were above “zero” (as it would be if they used the LIA as an averaging period).

    But just once, I’d like to see an anomaly chart that uses GISS data, and also uses the most current period as the averaging period (example, 1981-2010). Just to see how “extreme” the past couple of years are compared to that 30-year climatological period.

    I know they won’t, though. Their funding wouldn’t survive if our “current warming” was close to “zero” or close to average.

  80. Mike Roddy says:
    January 1, 2013 at 3:41 pm
    “Here’s the response to your question about deaths from burning fossil fuels, Anthony:”

    Mike, you must then oppose the construction of wind turbines and solar panels as well due to their energy needs in construction (steel, cement, melting of silicon, production of [silane] needed in PV production, production of Rare Earths for wind turbine generators, transporting them around the globe in container ships). Or alternatively, demonstrate that you can build more wind turbines and PV panels using only the output of PV panels. (Nobody does that EVEN THOUGH the use of PV panels and wind turbines is SUBSIDIZED! So I take it that it is COMPLETELY impossible when unsubsidized; under “bootstrap” conditions)

    That leaves you with a civilisation with a technology ca. 1250 to 1650 AD, pre industrial revolution.

    Do you want to tell us that that’s BETTER than what we have now in terms of mortality?

  81. DirkH says:
    January 1, 2013 at 7:37 pm
    “production of hexane needed in PV production”

    Sorry, not hexane – Silane. It’s very energy intensive to produce and largely squandered (to 95%) during PV production.

  82. I notice that the greens have given up on 350 ppm and are now targetting 425 as the ‘must reach’ goal. of course when we get to that 450 will become the new absolute maximum (etcetc)

  83. One proposal that I have yet to hear from all of the “great progressive minds”. Wouldn’t it be at the forefront of minds of those who wish for a smaller world population? Wouldn’t it be at the forefront of the minds of those who wish for greater control of the masses? It would virtually eliminate all currently intractable problems such as human consumption of resources, the growth of impoverished nations, the spread of STD’s, the spread of HIV, abortions, foreign adoptions in Russia, Ukraine & China. It would be more effective than “Cap-and-trade”. It would eliminate the debt of most government entities. It would have the same regressive effects as current(ly proposed) energy taxes. Just think what control the ‘globalists’ could exert over the entire world – far better than Kyoto:

    Copulation Tax or Copulation License

    Call it “Cop-and-tax”, “Cop-or-trade”. I’m sure a good propagandist such as Romm could come up with an even better tag for it…

  84. henrythethird says:
    January 1, 2013 at 7:32 pm
    To me, the “climate scientists” won’t start the wailing and gnashing of teeth until we see the first “global temperature anomaly” index go below zero.
    Remember, that their “anomaly” charts (for example, GISS), uses a period from the past (GISS – 1951-1980).
    See:

    http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/from:1940/plot/gistemp/from:1981/to:2011/trend

    The mean of that trend line is 0.365. January of 2012 was 0.32, so that would have been negative had they used 1981 to 2011 as the base period.

  85. Gail Zawacki says: January 1, 2013 at 10:15 am
    =============================
    Gail, if people can’t burn gas, or coal, or fuel oil to keep warm, do you know what they will burn?

    Brace yourself Gail, they will burn – TREES, oh horrors! They will cut down trees and cut them up into FIREWOOD and then burn the poor dears! Now you would not want that, would you? the poor trees?
    Certainly not. Become a skeptic and work to save the trees from the idiotic and destructive aims of the global warmers. They hate trees, because trees drop leaves which are made of CARBON, and the nasty old carbon is recycled into the atmosphere.

  86. Kermit says: January 1, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    “…You can feel like you’re winning this, but I’m afraid there is going to be a real shock soon. It is simply too tempting to raise a lot of new money based on “saving the earth.” …”

    Correct Kermit, it feels like sense is winning the debate when all the logic and information is laid out plainly for all to see …..

    But, there has never been a better idea for opportunities to make money out of nothing, and opportunities to regulate us into corners where we have no choice but to pay the rent seekers ….. and will be pursued relentlessly by men with infinite financing, and zero conscience, who will loudly proclaim they are on a mission to save the world.

    But, we have to keep at it, and it is easy to keep on fighting when you know you are on the side of ‘right’.

    • “it is easy to keep on fighting when you know you are on the side of ‘right’.”

      True. But it may be more fruitful to focus the battle on the economics of mitigation. In rough estimates, I computed that if the US were to reduce its CO2 footprint to ZERO, it would take 300 years to have a 1 degree impact on the temperature. If correct (and I would love to have this confirmed or corrected), this kind of argument may go much further to prevent useless regulation than any other.

  87. Gail Combs says: January 1, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    “Enron, joined by BP, invented the global warming industry. I know because I was in the room.”

    http://dailycaller.com/2010/12/15/lessons-from-the-global-warming-industry/

    That is a helluva link, Gail…. an interesting essay.

    I need to pass it to all my (many) warmist friends who think big oil/big energy are quaking in their boots at carbon taxes and cap and trade. Nope, they are all set up to benefit.

    The author of that piece, Chris Horner is certainly doing his bit!

    Christopher C. Horner serves as a Senior Fellow at CEI. As an attorney in Washington, DC Horner has represented CEI as well as scientists and Members of the U.S. House and Senate on matters of environmental policy in the federal courts including the Supreme Court.

    He has written on numerous topics in publications ranging from law reviews to legal and industrial trade journals to print and online opinion pages, and is the author of two best-selling books: Red Hot Lies: How Global Warming Alarmists Use Threats, Fraud and Deception to Keep You Misinformed (Regnery, 2008) and The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming and Environmentalism (Regnery, 2007), which spent half of 2007 on the New York Times bestseller list.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/12/15/lessons-from-the-global-warming-industry/#ixzz2GpYHopS6

    (Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI), a Washington, DC-based think-tank).

  88. Gail Zawacki says: January 1, 2013 at 10:15 am

    “…..You really don’t need a physicist to tell you that the world is warming, and that the weather has become terrifyingly violent. …”

    Gail this is just silly, surely you are watching too many movies: Just because someone TELLS us something is happening, does not necessarily mean that it is.

    Just cast a quick glance down this page, it is worth doing:

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/reference-pages/climatic-phenomena-pages/extreme-weather-page/

  89. This isn’t new.
    Here is a Guardian report (October 2011) on the Earthwatch conference (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2011/oct/12/top-environmental-priority-debate-earthwatch).
    Climate change didn’t get a mention.
    The new scam is population.
    In case no one has noticed, population has been getting increasing mentions from all the usual suspects – the BBC for example.
    This isn’t a new idea. Just take a look at publications by John Holdren or Maurice Strong going back over their “careers”.

  90. The anger/hate (let’s call it “AH”) to sadness ratio is very high in this thread and very telling. The majority of those who enter here probably realize already: there IS no good answer about how to keep all of us warm, fed and thriving (with lots of toys). But instead of being sad about it, this really gets you ticked. It is hard to be a single male who doesn’t get stewardship and will not be concerned with the next generation and it has to be infuriating to hear about other people who love and care deeply about these things. You could say that the high concentration of AH in America (and skulking about here) effectively blocks progress toward a more careful approach and amounts to a “forcing” factor, ensuring that we (in America at least) will not make the changes that are needed. Not even the loss of our heartland farms, coastal cities, clean full rivers, and biodiversity will make you feel sad. You are incapable of it. I am sorry for you.

    Joe Romm is an American hero.

  91. Bill,

    This is the internet’s “Best Science” site. All your complaining amounts to nothing. Posting a comment like that on a two week old thread is completely lame. Why bother?

    BTW, what color is the sky on your planet? Here on Earth our sky is blue, and here on Earth Joe Romm is a clueless idiot.

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