Where’s that “global warming” when you really want it? 😉
This map from NOAA’s National Snow Analyses page shows the snow depth data:
![nsm_depth_2012122605_National[1]](http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/nsm_depth_2012122605_national1.jpg?quality=83)
Source: http://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/nsa/
Automated Model Discussion:
December 26, 2012
| Area Covered By Snow: | 61.4% |
| Area Covered Last Month: | 18.6% |
| Snow Depth | |
|---|---|
| Average: | 5.1 in |
| Minimum: | 0.0 in |
| Maximum: | 1351.5 in |
| Std. Dev.: | 10.6 in |
| Snow Water Equivalent | |
| Average: | 0.9 in |
| Minimum: | 0.0 in |
| Maximum: | 650.5 in |
| Std. Dev.: | 2.4 in |
This is a perfect time to recall climate researcher Dr. David Viner’s famous missive from back in the year 2000:
However, the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”.
“Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” he said.
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html
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Weather is not climate. Duh.
REPLY: Ah, you took the bait, thanks! Weather is indeed not climate, except when the climate activists (and some weak minded individuals) say it is. Such as tornado outbreaks or heat waves. Those aren’t climate either – Anthony
Remember those aerial images of the UK and Ireland totally covered in snow, ice and frost the past couple of winters? Those events were newsworthy enough, but this is on a whole other scale.
Don’t worry. the warmth is over here for Christmas – the Met Office says so. Temp ATM a sweltering 50 F dropping to a warm sticky 42 F tonight. Siberia could do with some of it.
Come on, everyone knows AGW causes snow coverage /sarc
-It is considered very bad form to discuss global warming during winter !
/sarc
So there is snow on the ground in winter… So Watt? I hear this is set to be the warmest year ever for the US… and not by a small margin.
REPLY: Let’s switch the time frame to alarmist mode, so it’s hot in the summer and there’s little rain, so what? It’s an interesting weather statistic, so I report it. Get over yourself. – Anthony
Let’s hear Al Gore singlng “I’m dreaming of a brown Christmas.”
I’m catching up on WUWT posts and comments while waiting for the snow to stop. Looks like we’ll wind up with a 6″ dusting. (I do have a nice snowblower to use. Yay!)
When I flew across the country a week ago, the snow covered the ground between the Sierra Nevada foothills until we flew over clouds at the Nebraska/Iowa border. The snow was gone by the time we got to New Jersey, but Norway was covered, too, which they say isn’t guaranteed by Christmas. Oslo at least is pretty snowy at least.
So…not surprised.
Hi Anthony, you gave Viner’s quote and the link but I think you should add the date he said it ahead of the quote for those who don’t go to the link.
[Done. -w.]
With record colds in Northern Russia (Siberia) and North America (Alaska) I would expect some uptick in ice covering in the Arctic.
Nothing showing much though.
Lag, ‘warm’ ocean currents…?
Can anybody fill me in on this?
lts not just in the USA.
There is also a large snow cover extent over northern asia, it looks like almost the whole of Russia is under snow cover.
Shane Harris says:
December 26, 2012 at 11:33 am (Edit)
Weather is not climate. Duh.
—————————————————–
Au contraire mon ami, I would say that weather is the climate we are experiencing today.
Simon says:
December 26, 2012 at 11:49 am
Jeez – you must be one of the sheeple that believes the ‘warmest eva’ type bulldust? Fine! Believe all you want! – but that means there is no need for you to be here at all – as clearly you are not able to be educated, or indeed, willing to learn or self educate – as several of your previous missives here attest (IIRC). I suggest you return to the ‘other’ sites, as all you are doing here is illustrating your own ignorance and the stupidity of the warmista mantra! Handwaving or shouting dogma here is pointless!
“1. Shane Harris says:
December 26, 2012 at 11:33 am
Weather is not climate. Duh.”
“1. Simon says:
December 26, 2012 at 11:49 am
So there is snow on the ground in winter… So Watt? I hear this is set to be the warmest year ever for the US… and not by a small margin.”
Lets see if I got this right
If it is WARM it is CLIMATE
If it is COLD it is WEATHER
about right???
Lower Great Lakes area on map about to change color/colour
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b331/kevster1346/buffalosnow_zps4974cce0.jpg
I didn’t take any bait. But apparently you are waiting under the bridge like a troll with an agenda. Go ahead and keep preaching to people who already agree with you. Cheers. From the rest of your comments, apparently your audience lacks the critical facilities necessary for breathing.
REPLY: Lol! Troll? As site owner I have to moderate comments. Typical response for somebody who lost the argument in the first sentence. Anthony
I have to wonder how accurate that map is they’re showing especially for seasonal. I live in the SWON(south western ontario) or smack in the middle of all the great lakes in a traditional snowbelt area, and it’s as green as anything here still. And when I was out driving between Windsor and Toronto yesterday it was the same. Though we’ll be getting 2-5″ of snow in the next few days.
Maximum snow depth = 1351.5 inches (113 feet)? Where would that be?
So, Shane, can you tell that to “Dirty Weather” AlGore and “30 year average of weather is climate” Hanson? Pretty please?
One of the most deceptive parts of ‘Climate Science’ is the use of the “30 year average of weather” as a “climatology”. It is part of the very definition of “Climate Science” that it is weather just a 30 year average of it.
Now, what makes that incredibly dumb is that we know there are 60 year cycles of the oceans (PDO / AMO) and thus weather. We know there are 179 year cycles of the sun and lunar tides, and thus weather.
In reality, your climate depends on geology. Altitude, latitude, distance from water, land form (behind mountains is dryer). The Mediterranean has had a “Mediterranean climate” type for thousands of years, and will continue to have one. Even when, like a couple of years back, it snows in Marseilles or Paris has a hot summer. Even when the AMO makes them hotter for 30 years, then colder for 30 years. It’s all just weather.
But, you see, the Skeptic side is not the ones with the “weather problem”. We know it’s all just weather. It’s the “climate scientists” who think weather is “climate” and furthermore, think it is getting hotter and snow will go away. THEY made the predictions / projections / guesses / hand-waving-shouting that said snow was going away. Snow hasn’t gone away. They were wrong.
So since THEY set the rules that ‘weather over time’ can be used as the benchmark, WE get to keep trotting out the weather, and doing it over a long time, showing how foolish they are.
So look out your window and weep. It’s snowing in the N. Hemisphere and the amount and extent are beyond the “climatology”. The predictions / projections / frantic hand waving / guesses are wrong and the “climate scientists” need to start planning their exit strategy before they end up being public laughing stocks. (Oh, sorry, too late…)
@Simon:
Oh Boy! You are really going to keep trying to sell that “warm snow” meme eh? The GIStemp books are cooked. The NOAA / NCDC GHCN dataset is adjusted to the 9s… and Hadley has lost their data. There is just no way you can say how warm it is from that dreck.
So look out the window, notice the snow records. See the glaciers growing (Shasta growing fast! Antarctica too!) see the fact that the weather is remarkably like it was in the 1950s just like the LAST warm to cold PDO / AMO flip. Eventually you will catch on that a “30 year average of weather” is bogus and just measures slope on a sine wave weather cycle.
See, I’ve now lived a whole PDO cycle. So trying to tell ME that it is warmer now than it was when I was a kid is not going to work. It isn’t. I remember what it was like. Not only that, I talked to ‘old people’ when I was a kid. My Dad filled me in on the ’30s. It’s never been warmer than that since. He was in Iowa then. We visited during my lifetime and it’s not as hot as he described. No “dust bowl”.
The “climate science” folks are busted. The snow shows it. Oh, and remember that 2009 was a high snow year too. First time in 30 to 60 years in many places. Now we’ve got another similar year. This as we come off the TOP of this solar cycle. You have another decade of “lower than this” to look forward to. Get used to it.
@Other_Andy:
There’s about an 18 year lag from equator to Alaska as the water temps move up. As ‘the flip’ was about 1998, in about 2016 the arctic starts getting colder water in from Alaska. Don’t know the lag on the Atlantic side, but as the cool Atlantic slows the gulf stream, that warm source falters. ( I’ve got an animation of it showing a slowing). So my guess would be that about 2016 from both sides and then it ices up hard.
@taxed:
Russia is having “coldest in 30 years” and “coldest in 50 years” kind of weather. China is having a lot of snow too. While the present map is only up to the 18th of Dec, you can see that the N.H. overall is over the “climatology” extent.
http://moe.met.fsu.edu/snow/
Simon says:
December 26, 2012 at 11:49 am
Well, maybe so, maybe no, but if you want me to believe your claim about the “warmest year ever” you’ll have to provide a citation. At this point in the climate game, I don’t trust anyone.
w.
I remember earlier in the year BBC reporters here in UK walking up & down near dried up river beds quoting “because of climate change” then shortly after it started to rain & boy has it rained & has never stopped raining since. This is now apparently due to “the warming atmosphere” & ” The Experts” say we will have to get used to it, as we will see more of this in the future.
The BBC environment section & a great deal of the media are so full of it.
Who the hell co-ordinates all this.
Sky news a couple of weeks ago had a brief early morning report of how useless & waste of money wind turbines were.
How refreshing I thought.. but within a day the replay facility was removed.
Who has the right to do this … Govt climate bodies ?
Will we ever get balaced reporting or is the politics just too strong & twisted.
As if we all don’t know it yet – if there’s no snow and it’s warm, then it’s global warming. If there’s snow, then it’s because of warming in Arctic causing increased moisture contents which is caused by global warming. And if it’s freezing then it’s extreme weather which is again caused by global warming. These guys cover all bases.
Of course, nothing of it is about science.
Perhaps the snow job will be undone by actual snow.
Here in Sweden Stockholm had the third White Christmas in four years. The last time that happened was in 1916-19, and as a matter of fact all of Sweden was snow covered on Christmas Eve (which is the big Holiday here) for the second time in three year, and that hasn’t happened since the nineteenth century.