I don’t have much comment on this, as the press worldwide has pretty much said it all. I await the coming comparisons between, ahem, human emissions, and dinosaur emissions.
It’s another modeling extrapolation. From the article:
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Scientists believe that, just as in cows, methane-producing bacteria aided the digestion of sauropods by fermenting their plant food.
”A simple mathematical model suggests that the microbes living in sauropod dinosaurs may have produced enough methane to have an important effect on the Mesozoic climate,” said study leader Dr Dave Wilkinson, from Liverpool John Moores University.
”Indeed, our calculations suggest that these dinosaurs could have produced more methane than all modern sources – both natural and man-made – put together.”
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Something smells alright – the stench of extrapolation is overpowering.
It says the paper was published in Current Biology, but I can’t find it. Anyone know where to get a copy?
UPDATE: The BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/17953792
British scientists have calculated the methane output of sauropods, including the species known as Brontosaurus.
By scaling up the digestive wind of cows, they estimate that the population of dinosaurs – as a whole – produced 520 million tonnes of gas annually. They suggest the gas could have been a key factor in the warm climate 150 million years ago.
“520 million tonnes”, that’s all? That seems in error. They obviously mean 520 teragrams. (/sarc from the paper – they quote teragrams, which sounds much bigger for MSM scare stories, but I guess they needed some unit people could get their nose around)
Here’s figure 1 from the paper:
The paper itself is a marvel of weak extrapolation:
Link to excerpt of curent “Current Biology” issue, showing the full article:
http://download.cell.com/current-biology/pdf/PIIS0960982212003296.pdf
Could methane produced by sauropod dinosaurs
have helped drive Mesozoic climate warmth?
David M. Wilkinson1,*, Euan G. Nisbet2, and Graeme D. Ruxton3
Mesozoic sauropods, like many modern herbivores, are likely to have
hosted microbial methanogenic symbionts for the fermentative
digestion of their plant food [1]. Today methane from livestock is a
significant component of the global methane budget [2]. Sauropod
methane emission would probably also have been considerable. Here,
we use a simple quantitative approach to estimate the magnitude of such
methane production and show that the production of the ‘greenhouse’
gas methane by sauropods could have been an important factor in warm
Mesozoic climates. Sauropod dinosaurs include the largest terrestrial animals known
and exhibit a distinctive body shape, featuring a small head at the end
of a very long neck. Their diversity and geographic range suggest that
sauropods may have been keystone species in many ecosystems during
the Jurassic and Cretaceous [1]. Based in part on data from the
Late Jurassic Morrison Formation (Western USA), Farlow et al. [3]
estimated population densities for sauropods ranging from a few
large adult animals to a few tens of individuals per km2. Specifically,
they estimate that if dinosaurs had an endothermic, mammalian-style
metabolism, then the total abundance of these megaherbivores would
have been 11–15 animals/km2 with a total biomass density of around
42,000 kg/km2. It is, however, very unlikely that large-bodied sauropods
had metabolisms as high as predicted by the assumption of mammalian
metabolism [1]. If instead a reptilian metabolism in assumed, then Farlow
et al. [3] calculate a predicted biomass density of 377,000 kg/km2.
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Per Caddyshack, I think we have a new exclamation, “Oh, dinosaur farts!”
Best not to say it during a thunderstorm climate disruption.
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More likely proof that the very short-lived atmospheric methane plays little role in overall temperature.
Yep. Must have held it in for all 135 million years of their existence. Wouldn’t want to be around when they finally lost control.
I thought it wasn’t bovine flatulence but rather bovine burps that was the problem. Did dinosaurs burp? Am I just confused?
– Standard rule : “If a story is too bizarre to be true … then it’s not true”, especially if it’s one new story on it’s own & is in the distant past so it’s not likely to be proved with evidence.
– Standard rule 2 : “If a story is too bizarre to be true ..and it suits their dogma then the British press will churn it anyway without any fact checking”…
An obvious bid for an Ig.
Sing cuckoo now, sing cuckoo!
ANON, 13th Century
may have produced enough methane to have an important effect on the Mesozoic climate
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Still trying to figure out where that massive pool of CO2 comes from………..
The notion that a thing could pass, yes pass, peer-review made me think it was a joke played on the MSM but no, here is the link: http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822(12)00329-6
It’s here http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822%2812%2900329-6
Aha! So let me extrapolate further and hypothesise that the real reason for their extinction was was they all bottom burped at the same time and a stray spark caused an almighty explosion.
It must be correct. The Beeb reported it 6 hrs ago.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/17953792
Shall we count the billions of buffalo? Academia is handing out degrees that are smellier than dinosaur farts. Makes an honest hard working person scream in frustration.
Hmmmm,
I could be very wrong here, but a quick perusal of available data, such as Veizer’s paleotemperature curve (available at http://www.globalwarmingart.com), and my knowledge of when the large Sauropods lived (dominant in the Jurassic), the world was characterized by cool climates, not quite an ice-age, but not quite the Cretaceous “hot house” we hear so much about.
Many of the North American Sauropods come from the Morrison Formation, which at the time was subtropical, due to the drift of the North American Plate away from the African/European Plate.
The LARGE Sauropods (Diplodocids, Apatasaurs, Brachiosaurs, Camarasaurs … ) were extinct by the earliest Cretaceous, and their decendants were minor players until the Chicxulub (sp?) event.
This does not appear to be a viable hypothesis, unless I am missing something?
Best regards to all,
Mark H.
So the Dinosaurs died out because of an extended game of “Pull my Finger”???
I call bullshit on this one.
”Indeed, our calculations suggest that these dinosaurs could have produced more methane than all modern sources – both natural and man-made – put together.”
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Are they claiming that methane producing bacteria can’t exist outside of dinosaur stomachs? What happened to the plants that were not eaten by dinosaurs? Did they never ferment or decompose and produce methane unless they were eaten? It defies reason.
Can someone explain to me what the difference in composition is between a dinosaur fart and bacterial decomposition of “unconsumed” plant life? Plants still dying/getting consumed/emitted as GHG gas…does the organism matter?
-Scott
This obviously passed pooh-review.
This represents a new low in pseudoscientific garbage talk. I cannot think of a more foolish postulation. It reminds me of the low level of environmental discourse led off by ol’ Ronald Regan who made his famous “trees cause more air pollution” or some similar statement. The imbeciles who write these things seem to never have heard of volcanoes and their strong influence on our entire global ecosystems. These same imbeciles still do not comprehend that most of the earths heating comes from that bright star up in the sky. Drives me crazy…..
Link to excerpt of curent “Current Biology” issue, showing the full article:
http://download.cell.com/current-biology/pdf/PIIS0960982212003296.pdf
The Beeb (BBC) also ran the story today: http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/17953792
What will they think of next? (Beware an attack by the climate police on owners of livestock – it is only a matter of time!)
Kurt in Switzerland
So that explains why all the pictures of dinosaurs show them as brown.
There will always be a balance between the number of plants, and the number of animals that eat plants. The amount of methane produced per pound of plant material eaten is probably pretty close to a constant. (Assume that animal guts will always evolve to get the maximum nutrition per pound of food eaten.)
As a result, there is probably a linear relationship between the productivity of the vegetable portion of the biosphere, and the amount of methane in the atmosphere. In other words, if there was more methane in the atmosphere back then, it had more to do with their being more plants, rather than dinosaur having bigger farts compared to modern animals.
Jurassic wind
Studies in Sauropod Scatology
I would have thought that the UEA liar story would have been far more important and made to be a sticky post as is seesms to be getting a lot of attention elsewhere. This graph explains it all really
http://www.soutersmith.net/serendipity/index.php?/archives/143-UEA-accused-of-lying.html. I think this will affect the AGW movement big time.
REPLY: I thought I had…I guess it didn’t take, and I don’t visit the front page when I’m editing/moderating. Fixed now. – A