McKibben connects the weather dots on sh** happens

Oh boy. The propaganda gets thicker. It’s a Forrest Gump moment.

Billy McKibben connects the weather dots, except it spells out nothing more than – sh** happens. This is one of the most hilarious propaganda videos I’ve ever seen, showing weather events (and some not weather events), just like have happened for millions of years. Except this time the meme is “there’s something really wrong with our weather”.

The smokestack in reverse at the end is a nice touch, which is a hat tip to the parent organization 350.org

Watch the video:

OK let’s look at the claims, from the front page of climatedots.org

Across the planet now we see ever more flood, ever more drought, ever more storms. People are dying, communities are being wrecked — the impacts we’re already witnessing from climate change are unlike anything we have seen before.

350.org, Bill McKibben’s parent of climatedots.org says:

And what does this 350 number even mean?

350 is the number that leading scientists say is the safe upper limit for carbon dioxide—measured in “Parts Per Million” in our atmosphere. 350 PPM—it’s the number humanity needs to get back to as soon as possible to avoid runaway climate change.

And who made the 350 “safe” declaration? Well of course it is everyone’s favorite arrested scientist, James Hansen:

Where did this 350 number come from?

Dr. James Hansen, of NASA, the United States’ space agency, has been researching global warming longer than just about anyone else. He was the first to publicly testify before the U.S. Congress, in June of 1988, that global warming was real. He and his colleagues have used both real-world observation, computer simulation, and mountains of data about ancient climates to calculate what constitutes dangerous quantities of carbon in the atmosphere.  The full text of James Hansen’s paper about 350 can be found here.

It follows then that the date of the “safe” level should be determined. This is easy to do using MLO’s CO2 graph, the most cited graph on CO2 in the world

Source: http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/

So ~1987 is the year where the atmosphere became “unsafe”.

How about those pre-1987 weather disasters Billy?

I’ve removed the ones after 1987 from the list below

From NOAA in 1999: NOAA RELEASES CENTURY’S TOP WEATHER, WATER AND CLIMATE EVENTS

Click here for background on the weather events listed below.

– Galveston Hurricane, 1900
historic photos: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7

– Dust Bowl, 1930s
historic photos: 1, 2, 3

Super Tornado Outbreak, 1974
All About Tornadoes

– Hurricane Camille, 1969
historic photos: 1, 2, 3, 4
Hurricane Camille photo page

– New England Hurricane, 1938
Historic photos: 1, 2

– Tri-state Tornado, 1925

– The Great Okeechobee Hurricane & Flood, 1928

– The Storm of the Century, 1950

– Florida Keys Hurricane, 1935

– New England Blizzard, 1978

Top Global Weather/Water/Climate Events (no particular order):

Click here for background on the climate/weather events listed below.

– Yangtze River Flood, China, 1931
– North Vietnam Flood, 1971
– Great Iran Flood, 1954
– Bangladesh Cyclone, 1970
– China Typhoons, 1912, 1922
– Typhoon Vera, Japan, 1958
– Asian Droughts (India 1900,1907,1965-67; China 1907,1928-30,1936,1941-42; and Soviet Union 1921-22)
– Sahel Drought, Africa, 1910-1914, 1940-44, 1970-85
– Iran Blizzard ,1972
– Europe Storm Surge, 1953
– Great Smog of London, 1952
– El Niño, 1982-83

=============================================

And there are more at this big list

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_natural_disasters_by_death_toll

McKibben and his 350.org/connect the dots followers are full of it.

According to Psychology Today, it may just be McKibben’s search for meaning in the emptiness in his head:

Humans have a rocky relationship with randomness. On the one hand, we declare that “shit happens”–an acknowledgment that bad things sometimes occur for no particular reason. But more often than not, our minds resist randomness, searching for meaning even where none exists.

I suppose it is all part of the illogic of climate hysteria.

And since McKibben relies heavily on TV news videos for his propaganda, it confirms exactly what I have been saying here:

Why it seems that severe weather is “getting worse” when the data shows otherwise – a historical perspective

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84 thoughts on “McKibben connects the weather dots on sh** happens

  1. Did you mention the Great Flood?, I think I read it on the Bible, Old testament if am not wrong.

    :P

  2. I nominate Bill McKibben to win Olympic gold in the long distance shark jumping and an Olympic record in pointless scaremongering. The backwards steam going back in to the power station chimney obviously means that modern electric supplies clearly suck.

    But all of this bloviating means nothing because nobody’s watching other than the already convinced and we observers watching yet another apocalyptic scare smash into the iceberg of Reality.

  3. Healthy animals excrete away from where they live and eat if possible. These delusionalists claim excretia that isn’t their own as their personal adornment, and demand we all pay to clean up their hallucination.

  4. There are plenty of events throughout history including the great storm which hit England in 1703 and killed between 8,000 + 15,000 people, the exact figures aren’t known

  5. This attempt to create climate hysteria appears to be failing. In fact it is so unreasoned that it may be creating more skeptics as the call for more and more drastic remedies converges with the reality of a government that is clearly incompetent, if not downright inimical to to its own citizens.

  6. Isn’t 450 the “absolute” doomsday event for these guys… or is that just the next benchmark on an ever repeating doomsday cultist prediction list.

  7. temp says:
    Isn’t 450 the “absolute” doomsday event for these guys…

    It’s carbonheit 459!

  8. What on Earth will they make of that great big chunk of rock that will one day smash into Earth, as similar ones have done over millenia? Now that will cause a splash or two, or a dust storm of some significance! I’d like to see the USEPA regulate for that one! With CO2 levels in the atmpshere 20 times higher in the geological past & no runaway global warming happened, how to do they account for that little probem? :-)

  9. Why the demonizing Mr. Watts? Your tactic begins with the pejorative label, “Billy”, with reference to Bill McKIbbon. Dr. Hanson, acclaimed by his peers and scientific organizations all over the world, has already been shuffled off to the demon den. Obviously, this is a tactic intended to discredit the work of these men, and all the others who assert positions with which you disagree.

    I do not detect “hysteria” in the positions taken by McKibbon, Hanson and others. I do hear deep concern and a consistent commitment to base their advice on the best well-researched data available. From a risk assessment point of view, it is far wiser to act conservatively now, as they advise, they to do nothing and risk real hardship later.

    There is an immense challenge facing all of us at this moment, to fix problems which are getting worse by the day. We should see this as an unprecedented opportunity and be excited with our prospects to effect real change.

  10. What on Earth will they make of that great big chunk of rock that will one day smash into Earth, as similar ones have done over millenia?

  11. From the ” I have a kite and access to this blog, spaceweather, wxmaps and satellites department ”

    The concentration of atmospheric gases is determined by atmospheric heights and water temperatures. Atmospheric heights are determined by the interaction of the earth’s magnetosphere with solar magnetism. When such interaction is greatest, the expanse of the ionosphere is maximized. When the relationship of magnetism between earth and sun is minimal, the ionosphere is shorter and the intraplanetary magnetic field is denser. The density of this field accomplishes two feats (1) it regulates atmospheric compression (2) it determining the rate at which infrared radiation is released (adiabatic lapse rates are considered only formulaic constants).

    There are a number of self evident and well-studied factors indicative of proof for the hypothesized role of earth bound magnetism as the primary regulator of temperature (1) Seasonality- lower sun angles and shorter appearance durations have been verified to reduce heights (2) The correlation of latitudinal location with atmospheric height potential (3) The rate of movement of atmospheric pressure regimes in step with fluctuations in the rate of earth directed CMEs by the sun (4) There is an albedo response in higher latitudes for atmospheric heights (actually limits arctic sea ice minimums because without albedo heights fall>pressure falls>precipitation falls>temperatures fall>ice reforms and snow falls) (a) The East Coast will experience a taste of this example because iof the Greenland Albedo response (-North Atlantic Oscillation=Greenland high pressure Block) during the next few weeks (until tropical and subtropical Height fields overtake its capacity for effect).(5) Desert Sands albedo feedback (a) deforestation encourages similar atmospheric pressure products and temperature/precidpiation responses

    Anyway, the point to this comment is that if you are concerned about the rising concentration of Greenhouse Gases, then such concern is better used by focusing concerns upon the problems associated with Global Cooling since CO2 and methane actually decrease in concentration when atmospheric heights are rising and the planet is warming (because their rate of natural production is significantly less than Nitrogen (60% concentration), Oxygen (20% Concentration), and Argon (.%) (their concentrations increase as heights and warming increase because their natural rates of production is substantially greater than CO2 (3%) and Water Vapor (4%)…
    *Noteworthy notes to find WUWT references for*
    1> The role volcanic aerosols in increasing atmospheric magnetism/ionosphere height potential is also noteworthy because at present the AGW community denies SO2’s magnetic properties and their effect on Earth’s Radiative Budget Equation by attributing to it the quality of infrared energy reflectivitiy (thus denying ERBE)

    2..Another interesting reference point for Earth/Sun magnetic field interactions is Oceanic surface water alkalinity and temperature variance

    3. Comment is already running long ……………………………

  12. People don’t live long enough to have a true perspective of climate. The young-dumb have no clue and are the first targets of the propaganda. It takes decades to recover from leftist damage. Next on the target list are the moms who typically hyperventilate at anything remotely threatening their kids.

    Today, people lack even basic science education and have virtually no ability to filter claims; consequently, emotions rule. Because counterfeit authorities are promoted, people have a hard time trusting anyone. How long until they reach the point where they actively attack science as a threat? Since some technologies actually are serious threats (e.g. genetically modified organisms replacing traditional food crops – at least the way Monsanto has put it into practice), how do we avoid all science being lumped in the same category?

    Propagandists are busy re-assessing past events, diminishing the importance of some, ignoring others, changing data. That can only happen when the scientists and the propagandists are one in the same.

    Does Gresham’s law (economics) now apply in science?

  13. Hugh Pepper says:
    April 21, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Why the demonizing Mr. Watts? Your tactic begins with the pejorative label, “Billy”, with reference to Bill McKIbbon…………
    =======================================================
    Lol, “Billy” is a pejorative? Really? I would have come up with something more provacative, like dingbat Bill, or maniac McKibbon, but you take exception to Billy? Let’s not pretend skeptics aren’t demonized across this land by Billy and the minions of maniacal misanthropists. Anthony is a frequent target……. goose/gander and all of that.

    While civility would have been the best way to go about discussing climate issues, the alarmists lost the claim to any such attempt many, many years ago. Skeptics tried, but we were met with some of the most vile name calling and worse. People object to pejoratives now? They should have said something way back when. I haven’t forgotten the days before sites like WUWT or Climate Audit. Nor, will I ever.

    As we start to move away from the precipice of darkness, poverty, hunger and depravity the alarmists tried to push us over, we shouldn’t pretend that they didn’t almost get us there. “Billy” is about the kindest moniker I would attach to McKibbon and his ilk.

  14. Why is the powerplant emitting so much steam? Is it operating as a spinning reserve and venting to back up windmills?

  15. I aspire to emulate people like Hugh Pepper from now on. I’m quite sure that reading the first two or three sentences and then chiming in with a predetermined response will make my life much simpler than having to actually deal with each point in an article.

  16. @Hugh Pepper

    From the best well-researched data available the problems which are getting worse by the day (no hysteria there then) have more to with human geography than human influence on the atmospheric system.

    The real change that you seem to favour risks impoverishing our children rather than offering any realistic benefits.

    The reliance on CO2 as Occam’s Razor to cut through the Gordian knot of climate complexity leaves an awfully large number of loose ends and I would prefer decisions affecting the future of the human race to be based on real science.

  17. To Alan the Brit:

    To the CAGW warmist/alarmist, it is not the fact that there was higher CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere in the past, but the “fact” that we are increasing the concentration at an “unprecedented” rate, and the temperature of the Earth’s atmosphere is also “increasing” at a commensurate “unprecedented” rate.

    Never, NEVER let any facts get in the way of a good narrative; we know that the Vostok/GISP/EPICA data showing that the climate transitioned into, and out of, a glacial episode, at a rate of about three-or-four-degrees-Celsius in a few decades, is just ancient history, and not applicable to today.

    Remember, to the warmist/alarmist, until man started “changing” the climate, it has never EVER changed in the past. Mikey proved that the past 1500 years (give or take) has been COMPLETELY stable, doncha know?

    Written with some /sarc, discernable to the educated.

    Regards to all,

    Mark H.

  18. Hugh Pepper says:
    April 21, 2012 at 9:40 am

    From a risk-management perspective, there is far greater risk of human suffering when you force people to live in third-world conditions. Green policy ultimately leads to poverty. High per-capita energy consumption freed people from slavery, ended the use of draft animals, created the middle class, and led to the greatest expansion of science and technology that now supports 7 billion people on our planet.

    Although the left will never admit it, sooner or later Green policy will force people to live under harsher conditions, eat poorer quality food, receive poorer quality healthcare, live shorter and far less pleasant lives. It will force people into collective labor in a command and control economy directed by centralized government planners. There will necessarily be less freedom.

    Socialims always has a utopian allure, and green politics is just the latest example. Socialism always fails. Individuals empowered with freedom and abundant inexpensive energy can do amazing things. We have the ability to produce inexpensive energy in large amounts for centuries, but we are prevented from doing so by governments with another agenda. Centralized planning leads to a ghetto life where everyone suffers equally, except for the elite few who reserve the best for themselves.

    Hansen, and the rest are elitists. Since when does a civil service employee get to take home over a million dollars in prize money? Even for just the appearance that Hansen is in it for the money, he should be fired.

  19. edit
    From the ” I have a kite and access to WUWT, spaceweather.com, wxmaps and satellite maps department ”

    The concentration of atmospheric gases is determined by atmospheric heights and water temperatures. Atmospheric heights are determined by the interaction of the earth’s magnetosphere with solar magnetism. When such interaction is greatest, the expanse of the ionosphere is maximized. When the relationship of magnetism between earth and sun is minimal, the ionosphere is shorter and the intraplanetary magnetic field is denser. The density of this field accomplishes two feats (1) it regulates atmospheric compression and its resistance to local changes in atmospheric pressure regimes (2) it determines the rate at which infrared radiation is released (adiabatic lapse rates are considered only formulaic constants).

    There are a number of self evident and well-studied factors indicative of proof for the hypothesized role of earth bound magnetism as the primary regulator of temperature and climate
    (1) Seasonality- lower sun angles and shorter appearance durations have been verified to reduce heights
    2) The correlation of latitudinal location with atmospheric height potential
    (3) The rate of movement of atmospheric pressure regimes in step with fluctuations in the rate of earth directed CMEs by the sun
    (4) The albedo response in higher latitudes for atmospheric heights (actually limits arctic sea ice minimums because without albedo heights fall>pressure falls>precipitation falls>temperatures fall>ice reforms and snow falls)
    ___ (a) The East Coast will experience a taste of this example because iof the Greenland Albedo response (-North Atlantic Oscillation=Greenland high pressure Block) during the next few weeks (until tropical and subtropical Height fields overtake its capacity for effect).
    (5) Desert Sands albedo feedback
    ___ (a) deforestation encourages similar atmospheric pressure products and temperature/precidpiation responses
    ____(b) Painting roofs white as a means to saving energy is generally a bad idea because of the climate feedback response to the albedo effect.

    Anyway, the point to this comment is that if you are concerned about the rising concentration of Greenhouse Gases, then such concern is better used by focusing upon the problems associated with Global Cooling since CO2, Water Vapor, and methane actually decrease in concentration when atmospheric heights are rising and the planet is warming because their rate of natural production is significantly less than Nitrogen (60% concentration), Oxygen (20% Concentration), and Argon (.%).
    a) CO2 (3%concentration), Water Vapor (4%),…
    b) Now think about how albedo effects atmospheric drying by increasing the concentration of Nitrogen & Oxygen and decreasing the concentration of Water Vapor

    *Noteworthy notes*

    1. The role volcanic aerosols in increasing atmospheric magnetism/ionosphere height potential is also noteworthy because at present the AGW community denies SO2′s magnetic properties and their effect on Earth’s Radiative Budget Equation by attributing to it the quality of infrared energy reflectivitiy (thus denying ERBE)

    2..Another interesting reference point for Earth/Sun magnetic field interactions is Oceanic surface water alkalinity and temperature variance

    3. Comment is already running long ……………………………

  20. why on earth should we swap fossil fuels for facile fools? stupid is unsustainable.
    but, gasp, i’m here for the hangings. when do these crooks get some comeuppance?
    that’s the weather vane i’m watching; that’s the climate change i wish for.

  21. Take a minute and dislike the video at Youtube. It would be nice to see more dislikes than likes for it. Let them know how well this type of propoganda is received.

  22. Hugh Pepper says:
    April 21, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Why the demonizing Mr. Watts? Your tactic begins with the pejorative label, “Billy”,

    I resent that remark.

  23. Proof that Hugh Pepper has no clue:

    “I do not detect ‘hysteria’ in the positions taken by McKibbon [sic], Hanson [sic] and others.”

    “Coal trains of death” isn’t at least a little bit hysterical, Hugh?

    And:

    “There is an immense challenge facing all of us at this moment, to fix problems which are getting worse by the day.”

    The only real problems are the raping of the taxpayers by the rent-seeking climate charlatan clique and the UN, and the mass extermination of wildlife by windmills. In fact, all of the real problems are caused by the eco-fringe.

    But none of the other so-called ‘problems’ are problems at all: Arctic ice is rebounding, there is no evidence of ocean acidification, the planet is in a perfect “Goldilocks” climate, there has been no statistically significant warming for a decade and a half, hurricanes and tornado intensity is clearly decreasing, the number of weather related deaths is way down, corals are doing fine, the sea level rise is slowing dramatically, etc., etc.

    So what are those ‘problems’ that are ‘getting worse by the day’? Could one of them be that Hugh has run out of his meds? Quick, get a refill, Hugh!

  24. Hoser says:
    April 21, 2012 at 10:26 am
    Since when does a civil service employee get to take home over a million dollars in prize money? Even for just the appearance that Hansen is in it for the money, he should be fired.

    If he received it in recognition of his NASA/GISS work, he had to turn it over to the feds. Back in my day, any gift with a monetary value of $25 or more automatically became government property — with one exception: the gift had to have been a token of appreciation or personal friendship from the donor, and in that instance, the recipient could keep the gift but would have to reimburse the government for the dollar value of the gift.

    Fortunately, the most expensive gift I ever got during ny years in that gig was a $5 Zippo lighter with my name and some relevant dates engraved on it. I can’t imagine inflation has hit hard enough for Hanson to justify claiming a million bucks as a token of appreciation…

  25. we’ve fallen a long way, baby.
    once upon a time, the motto of america was ‘liberty, parent of science and industry’
    now, clearly, it’s ‘never give a sucker an even break’.
    and setting off the sirens still brings the eloi to the dinner table.
    evolution in action. apparently the world is overpopulated with suckers and this is how they get culled.
    stepping into the chute at the processing plant requires a deliberate effort on the part of the cow. how dare the cow complain after making that choice.

  26. gnomish says:
    April 21, 2012 at 10:51 am

    why on earth should we swap fossil fuels for facile fools? stupid is unsustainable.
    but, gasp, i’m here for the hangings. when do these crooks get some comeuppance?
    that’s the weather vane i’m watching; that’s the climate change i wish for.
    ===========================================================
    Indeed, there is no earthly reason to swap fossil fuels. We’ve more than we’ll ever use…… http://suyts.wordpress.com/2012/04/20/oil-sigh-why-are-they-so-incredibly-stupid/

  27. This amounts to a flaming bag of dog crap on the doorstep of science. The problem is he is ringing his own doorbell and stepping on it before running away. ;-))

  28. Anthony

    Historical ‘references’ about wonky weather.

    National Geographic November 1976 … 36 years ago.
    WHAT’S HAPPENING TO OUR CLIMATE?
    That’s just one year after the infamous Newsweek item about the pending ice age, below. ☺

    And …

    National Geographic December 1977 … 35 years ago.
    THE YEAR THE WEATHER WENT WILD

    And of course there is the Newsweek item, The Cooling World, from 1975. The article is old hat to most here and been cited many times. Note the last paragraph quoted … back then, the tornadoes of 1974 were associated with cooling. ☺

    Nothing new to see here folks … ☺ Same old.

    Clive

    The Cooling World
    By Peter Gwynne
    Newsweek
    28 April 1975
    There are ominous signs that the Earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production — with serious political implications for just about every nation on Earth. The drop in food output could begin quite soon, perhaps only 10 years from now. The regions destined to feel its impact are the great wheat-producing lands of Canada and the U.S.S.R. in the North, along with a number of marginally self-sufficient tropical areas — parts of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indochina and Indonesia — where the growing season is dependent upon the rains brought by the monsoon.

    The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that
    meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it. In England, farmers have seen their growing season decline by about two weeks since 1950, with a resultant overall loss in grain production estimated at up to 100,000 tons annually.

    During the same time, the average temperature around the equator has risen by a fraction of a
    degree — a fraction that in some areas can mean drought and desolation. Last April, in the most devastating outbreak of tornadoes ever recorded, 148 twisters killed more than 300 people and caused half a billion dollars’ worth of damage in 13 U.S. states.

  29. Alan the Brit says: April 21, 2012 at 9:38 am

    “What on Earth will they make of that great big chunk of rock that will one day smash into Earth, as similar ones have done over millenia?”

    Don’t worry Alan, it’ll never happen, the Greens will just slap a tax on it and it will go away. /sarc (as-if)

  30. @Hugh Pepper: Hi Hugh! Can I call you Hughie? Just that I feel I know you so well by now…And wow! You put up such a well-researched argument. No, really, you do, Hughie. I mean, this guy Hanson: what a great man. I know of a John Hanson who starred in the ‘Desert Song’ (of course, it wasn’t a desert before AGW, in rehearsals it was ‘Show Boat’)

    But, what the heck, you have a point. Just one question: why 350? I mean, is that +/- anything, or absolutely precise? Serious question, Hughie…Hughie….you there, Hughie….?

  31. There is simply no increase in extreme weather events.

    Despite the steady drumbeat of misinformation there is no trend visible.

  32. Daryl said:

    Take a minute and dislike the video at Youtube. It would be nice to see more dislikes than likes for it. Let them know how well this type of propoganda is received.

    So I thought this was a good idea but I didn’t want to dislike it w/o actually watching it. Unfortunately it was as bad as I thought it would be and I feel dumber for having watched it. But at least I got my “thumbs down” vote in…

  33. Hoser claims that a Green revolution will drive us all into poverty. Well Hoser, perhaps you haven’t noticed, but half of the world goes to bed hungry every night.The world’s food supply is threatened, with countries like Bangladesh (a huge producer of food) experiencing floods every other year, and huge floods occurring in PAkistan and Australia. Weather events are threatening agricultural production in SE Asia (changing monsoon patterns) the USA (drought); and elsewhere. We have depleted our soils, and overused our groundwater everywhere on the planet and climate change is exacerbating these problems, This is not socialism, Hoser. This is atmospheric physics, demography and human behaviour.

    By the way Hoser, Professor Hansen receives rewards for outstanding work in science. He is acknowledged by his peers and distinguished Scientific bodies to be a leader in his field. You could read his books, and the scores of publications on which many of the basic notions of climate science are based. He is not alone in this regard, however. There are, in fact, thousands of related research publications which together constitute the state of knowledge in climate science. All of this information s available and should be read by everyone.

  34. I contend that the “sh** happens” line owes its origin to the scene in
    John Ford’s “Stagecoach” where Ringo, played by John Wayne, says
    “Things Happen” to explain his stink in jail. What a great film.

  35. Ah, Hughie. The only pejorative around when you refer to Hansen, is the term “scientist”. And McKibben(on) is simply, a nutbar – psychopathic or psychotic, take your pick. About that risk managment thingy – you know, of course, in order to actually do risk managment, you have to have correlative events with associated causation, right? You do know that, right? You can’t risk manage anything that doesn’t have a measurable consequence associated with the causation. Have a chat with your insurance broker sometime. There are no measurable consequences associated with increased C02 on a global scale. Hell, you can’t even say CO2 is increasing on a global scale. AGW and CO2 levels are still conjecture, globally.
    I can, however, measure and risk management the impact of liberal policy on a whole strata of systems and people, and in that, I concur with your expressed need to risk manage. EPA CO2 mitigation strategy, White House and other government energy policies, alternative energy pipedreams and the like in the US, Britain and elswhere, do have measurable correlative/causative properties. So sure, lets risk-manage these doables right out of existence. To not do so, makes the future look awfully risky.

  36. Maybe they’re already on the list but if not you could add “The Divine Wind” that saved Japan from an invading horde. (Mongols?) And I believe the Spanish Armada had some no small difficulty with “wind power”. (I guess the storm must have been caused by all those Brits breathing so hard when they heard the Armada was coming.)

    I’ve lived in a number of states (Kentucky, Ohio, Texas, Kansas, New Hampshire, Indiana) before anybody was talking about AGW. In all those states the locals said, “If you don’t like the weather, wait a few minutes. It’ll change.” or something like it. They all said it as if it was something unique to where they lived. I haven’t heard anybody say that lately, not since somebody figured out a way to tax hot air!
    (That always reminds of something I saw on the History Channel. It seems in the early history of mechanical clocks, before they were common, the British government tried to “tax time”. If you owned a clock you had to pay some kind of periodic tax!)

  37. Hugh Pepper says:
    April 21, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    Hoser claims that a Green revolution will drive us all into poverty. Well Hoser, perhaps you haven’t noticed, but half of the world goes to bed hungry every night.The world’s food supply is threatened, with countries like Bangladesh (a huge producer of food) experiencing floods every other year, and huge floods occurring in PAkistan and Australia. Weather events are threatening agricultural production in SE Asia (changing monsoon patterns) the USA (drought); and elsewhere. We have depleted our soils, and overused our groundwater everywhere on the planet and climate change is exacerbating these problems, This is not socialism, Hoser. This is atmospheric physics, demography and human behaviour.

    By the way Hoser, Professor Hansen receives rewards for outstanding work in science. He is acknowledged by his peers and distinguished Scientific bodies to be a leader in his field. You could read his books, and the scores of publications on which many of the basic notions of climate science are based. He is not alone in this regard, however. There are, in fact, thousands of related research publications which together constitute the state of knowledge in climate science. All of this information s available and should be read by everyone.

    OMG! Hugh, I really hate to pick on the intellectually diminished, but, son, you’re dumber’n a sack of hammers. Are you even out of high school yet? I’m all for cheerleading for the right reasons, but you really need to spend some time reading some Monckton. Don’t head off to school by yourself, you might not find your way home.

  38. “The fossil fuel industry is making life impossible for many of us.” Well I know what he means. Afterall, my car mysteriously stopped starting once I put gasoline in the dang thing. And my house used to be perfectly comfortable during Chicago winters & summers before I ever had a gas fired furnace in it and electrically powered central air conditioning: you know; nice & cool during the winter, & nice & hot during the summer; just the way it was supposed to be. And don’t get me started about the displeasure I experienced when hot water came out of the shower head in January once I got that gas fired hot water heater. Plus I know what it’s like to turn the water faucet on & have flames come out. Happens all the time. Makes it real hard to make coffee. Wait a minute. I just don’t know what hot coffee is. Because of those dang fossil fuel companies it just can’t be shipped here on a diesel powered freighter, roasted, trucked to the store by a diesel engined truck, ground by an electric grinder (you know, coal generated), or put in a French press with hot water (because flames come out of the faucet).

    What a strange world we live in. What bizarre distortions these people engage in. They can take their pessimism and keep it to themselves.

  39. I can’ even bring myself to finish watching that video, people are sheep,wait… I think sheep have longer memories. McKibben runs Vermont with his rhetoric, recently he did a similar video, for VTGIN, trying to empower teenagers to be the leaders of the world with the same dogmatic uncritical thinking.

  40. @Hugh Pepper

    So the answer is that all the world starve?

    Equality of misery is not the way forward, hope is offered by continued economic development not being wrecked by money wasted on the false god of countering natural climate change.

    Demographics respond to increasing wealth, which help reduce vulnerability and developed societies are more effective at countering the impacts of extreme natural events.

  41. What next? Is nothing sacred? Obviously their models are completely and irretreivably broken when an event calling for crass political gain is put into direct conflict with a day I will spend thanking God for a memorably milld winter, surfing, eating fish tacos,and drinking anything alcoholic that comes from Mexico. Viva Cinco de Mayo!

  42. Hugh Pepper says:
    April 21, 2012 at 12:32 pm
    Hoser claims that a Green revolution will drive us all into poverty. Well Hoser, perhaps you haven’t noticed, but half of the world goes to bed hungry every night.

    Those who go to bed hungry every night do so because of the Marxist dictators who execute the farmers and then shuffle all of the food aid to their armies and cronies. Those dictators are the same types that you Warmists (re-read your religious creed) want to control the worlds energy supply … at gunpoint.

  43. Hugh Pepper says:
    April 21, 2012 at 12:32 pm
    “Hoser claims that a Green revolution will drive us all into poverty. Well Hoser, perhaps you haven’t noticed, but half of the world goes to bed hungry every night.The world’s food supply is threatened, with countries like Bangladesh (a huge producer of food) experiencing floods every other year, and huge floods occurring in PAkistan and Australia. Weather events are threatening agricultural production in SE Asia (changing monsoon patterns) the USA (drought); and elsewhere. We have depleted our soils, and overused our groundwater everywhere on the planet and climate change is exacerbating these problems, This is not socialism, Hoser. This is atmospheric physics, demography and human behaviour.”

    I followed the links that you provided – only kidding, you never provide sources for whatever imaginary problems you invent –
    but you can look at this one.

    Hans Rosling’s 200 Countries, 200 Years, 4 Minutes

    That’s of course not in the vain hope that you grow a brain but for any bystander who happens to be uninformed about your catastrophist fantasies.

  44. Sadly, in the run up to Rio+20 we can expect a lot more of this lunacy from climate zealots determined to ratchet up the fearmongering amongst general populations; Rio is, after all, serious business. With the emphasis very much on ‘business’. Huge $multimillion wealth transfers are in the balance, with our favourite ‘green’ NGOs all poised, as ‘partners’ to garner a slice for their role in implementing the next tranche of ‘green’ legislation, designed to enable yet more politically-targeted taxes on growth and industry. All in the name of Mother Earth, of course. If it’s not clear by now it should be: this was never about climate. Just follow the money, all the way to Rio, in June.

  45. Mike Bromley the Canucklehead says:
    April 21, 2012 at 9:05 am

    They’re ramping it up. And we have to keep stomping it out. Nonetheless, I’ve come to the conclusion: I’m glad I’m getting old.
    _________________________________________
    Amen and I am glad I do not have children. Our would be rulers are bound and determined to reduce use back to serfdom. Agenda 21 = Smart Growth = Serfdom

    The comments on this site seems to indicate certain people are begging for their chains.
    see http://www.treehugger.com/environmental-policy/texas-republicans-attack-agenda-21-smart-growth-sustainable-development-and-all-europe.html

  46. I notice no longer any mention of science in the ad, just the public ‘joining the dots’.
    Telling.

  47. MichaelC58 says:
    April 21, 2012 at 4:40 pm
    I notice no longer any mention of science in the ad, just the public ‘joining the dots’.
    Telling.

    It’s an election year. Time to use fear to herd the sheep into voting for the bad shepherds.

  48. Sheeple have always followed the loudest leader because thats what sheeple have always done. The problem is that many sheeple now have access to the Interwebs and are becoming informed instead of blindly following messiahs that proclaim doom. The louder we protest about this nonsense the less support they will garner and yes I did dislike the video and wrote a comment. Reposted on Weatherzone.

  49. Does anyone here recall the In Search Of… TV series with Leonard Nimoy (1976–1982) ?

    The global cooling episode is an informative one, as it uses identical rhetorical techniques of extreme weather to argue for the coming ice age. You should find this episode in the series somewhere between In Search of Atlantis and In Search of Bigfoot.

  50. Hugh Pepper says:
    April 21, 2012 at 12:32 pm
    Hoser claims that a Green revolution will drive us all into poverty. Well Hoser, perhaps you haven’t noticed, but half of the world goes to bed hungry every night.The world’s food supply is threatened, with countries like Bangladesh (a huge producer of food) experiencing floods every other year, and huge floods occurring in PAkistan and Australia.

    Australia’s problem is they didn’t ban building on floodplains, the way places like the USA and Canada did decades ago. For which the climate alarmists like Flannery are partly to blame having stridently predicted droughts. The worst flooding occured when a major dam overflowed. The reason it overflowed was a desalination plant (which the alarmists said was necessary because of future droughts) had replaced a large proportion of the water previously taken from the dam.

    Pakistan and Bangladesh have experienced floods for millenia and farmers know not to have crops in the ground during the monsoon, but then the average bangladeshi farmer is likely smarter than you. The main effect was damage to already harvested crops, which points at the real problem, poor infrastructure and ineffective government.

  51. The actual fact is that the totalitarian Federal monster is THE threat,
    expresssed by this slightly altered quote from ALARMIST HUGH:

    I do not detect “hysteria” in the positions taken by ROMENY, RYAN, and THE TEA PARTY. I do hear deep concern and a consistent commitment to base their advice on the best well-researched data available. From a risk assessment point of view, it is far wiser to act conservatively now, as they advise, they to do nothing and risk real hardship later, WHEN THE U.S. COLLAPSES.

    There is an immense challenge facing all of us at this moment, to fix problems CAUSED BY THE FEDS, which are getting worse by the day. We should see this as an unprecedented opportunity and be excited with our prospects to effect real change, BEGINNING WITH PERMANENT VACATION FOR THE PREZ.

  52. Mr. Mckibben’s timing is sensational. This kind of environmental direction is utterly at odds with the serious economic situations facing much of the developed world. In Europe …. Greece, Portugal and Ireland have had to receive bailout packages. Austerity measures are crippling the economies o f Spain and Italy. Spain has 50% youth unemployment and had just re-entered recession. Both countries nee to pay about 6% to borrow money. The government of Holland has fallen and re-elections are imminent due to disagreement about cutting spending and yesterday there was an anti-government march with 120,000 people in Prague about austerity and corruption in Czeckoslovakia . Elections in France today are not anchored around environmental issues and everyone is aware that poverty is knocking on the doorstep. The UK will miss its renewables targets and has just approved shale gas exploitation. In short, no one can afford to tolerate this rubbish anymore. It’s almost fascinating to watch !!

    Anyone who thinks the nonsense peddled by McKibben will lead to anything meaningful doesn’t need to worry about saving this planet …. they are already living on a different one.

  53. Steve Zwick want to burn our houses down and Hugh Pepper is freaking out over Anthony calling someone Billy?

    Sheryl Crow disrespected the name “William” in “All I Wanna Do.” I never realized how evil that is until now.

  54. Hugh Pepper says:
    April 21, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Why the demonizing Mr. Watts?

    Because you’re not an engineer, Hugh. That is OBVIOUS!

    And what do engineers do? They build things that produce more than they cost.

    And solar and wind do not rise to that level of merit, sir. They’re quite a long way off, actually.

    So as an engineer, I can tell you that if you force a substantial part of the world to use inverted economics in your pipe dream, the segment of this planet’s population under duress will only grow; the situation will only get worse!

    And you and others like you will be to blame.

    So please get off your sick political/ideological kick and get some smarts–go become an engineer. That will be a good start.

    You will definitely find that the hysterical “positions taken by McKibbon, Hanson and others” that you say is based “on the best well-researched data available” is a joke. You will realize that “From a risk assessment point of view, it is far wiser to act conservatively now, as they advise, they to do nothing and risk real hardship later.” is completely bogus.

    None of these jokers are engineers.

    And neither are you.

  55. By way of contrast, the Rosling video is +17,429, -150

    I wonder what the -150 were “thinking” …

  56. @ Hugh Pepper.
    If you don’t know what a word – such as “demonizing” – means, don’t use it – it makes you look stupid. Can you do a google search? Try searching for “King Billy”.

  57. RockyRoad, you CLEVER little engineer! :)

    It is sad that the IPCC is not crowded with clever ENGINEERS like yourself, and instead is filled with zealots with Ph.Ds in physics and climate science. I wonder Which school are you from? I would also like very much to become a clever little CLIMATE-ENGINEER which can grasp OBVIOUS things that 2000 scientists of the IPCC cannot!

    The climatescientists are ALL LIERS! (except of course for the 1% of them that denies AGW). Good to have the truth-seeking ENGINEERS out there like yourself mr Sir RockyHard that have understood the OBVIOUS fact that we live on a planet with infinite resources. Thanks for brushing off boring piles of scientific reports with these two fantastic all-encompassing statements : “is completely bogus.” “None of these jokers are engineers.”

    Thank you HardRock. You rule! :)

    [WUWT readers find the shouted outbursts you make rather off putting and really add nothing to your argument. The sarcasm you use will stand by itself without the shouting for emphasis. Thank you . . . kbmod]

  58. I located an essay by Bill McKibben in the August, 2006 National Geographic called, “A Deeper Shade of Green.” I remember that, back when I first read it, I kept saying to myself, “Interesting, but is it true?”

    In the six years since I have gone through the claims McKibben made in his article one by one, and seen them either debunked, or else reduced to something shadowed by doubt too much to be called “fact.”

    It just makes me wonder, who the heck appointed this guy authority and spokeman?

    He grew up in a wealthy suburb of Boston about 8 miles from where I grew up, about seven years after me, but where I hit the road and have 5 decade’s worth of first hand experience of dirty jobs and hard toil, he never left the plush livingrooms of the lucky. He went straight to Harvard, and then straight to the New Yorker Magazine, and was then wealthy enough to head straight to Vermont where he’s been able to hide from reality ever since.

    Was he really lucky? I once wanted the life he has lived, but now it is obvious that, if you live in a rarified world and avoid the dirt, your thinking strays from hard facts. You nibble eracers and dream up nice-sounding things about small farms, without knowing how hard and even brutal such a life is. You theorize stuff about “community,” unaware the government is crushing community, because you don’t actually live with “the little people.”

    Off in his ivory tower, he likely gets frustrated that people don’t follow his advice. But how can they? How can everyone go to Harvard, be hired by the New Yorker, own a cozy farm in Vermont, and be funded Big Shots?

    All I ever recieved from the New Yorker was rejection slips. My college was the School Of Hard Knocks. I have felt very sorry for myself at times, but all these years later I now understand I was actually the lucky one. My feet are on the ground, and I have a good relationship with the Truth. Billy’s in the clouds and his friend’s are, sad to say, foes of the Truth.

    What a sad fate for a decent writer. But I guess that’s what you get when you sell out. If you stand for the truth you wind up in trouble with the PC crowd, but if you fawn and mince for the PC crowd you get all the acclaim and money and status McKibben once had, and, in the end, you can’t really look into your own eyes in a mirror.

  59. Infrared~ how many of those ‘2000 scientists’ are climate scientists?

    Hint: claiming all 2000 of them are climate scientists, doesn’t add to our already Low opinion of you. Unless you want to claim that people who specialize in physiology, psychology, economics and a myriad of other fields- and whom were asked to work up scenarios based upon an unproven hypothesis- are somehow ‘climate’ scientists.

    btw, the head of the IPCC himself, recently said ‘400’ scientists, nor did he qualify that with the word ‘climate.’

  60. Infrared says:
    April 22, 2012 at 2:41 am

    RockyRoad, you CLEVER little engineer! :)

    It is sad that the IPCC is not crowded with clever ENGINEERS like yourself, and instead is filled with zealots with Ph.Ds in physics and climate science. I wonder Which school are you from? I would also like very much to become a clever little CLIMATE-ENGINEER which can grasp OBVIOUS things that 2000 scientists of the IPCC cannot!

    The climatescientists are ALL LIERS! (except of course for the 1% of them that denies AGW). Good to have the truth-seeking ENGINEERS out there like yourself mr Sir RockyHard that have understood the OBVIOUS fact that we live on a planet with infinite resources. Thanks for brushing off boring piles of scientific reports with these two fantastic all-encompassing statements : “is completely bogus.” “None of these jokers are engineers.”

    Thank you HardRock. You rule! :)

    Thankyou. And you’re right.

    But as in any high-stakes poker game, I’ll see your sarcasm and raise you with some poignant facts:

    First, it doesn’t matter how many “scientists” say global warming is anthropogenic if the IPCC is a politicized body (or haven’t you noticed how they have been anything but accurate–something that an engineer would point out immediately). I’ll take the word of 49 astronauts over your UN-bogus “scientists” anyday, especially in light of what passes for post-normal “science” and “peer-review” scientific journals these days.

    Second, you say “we live on a planet with infinite resources” but that isn’t the argument. The critical factor is whether we continue to allow the primary mover of our world economy, which is carbon-based fuels, to be curtailed drastically because some “2,000 scientists” can’t or won’t recognize that CO2 is a BENEFIT and not a DETRIMENT to the biosphere.

    THAT is the crux of the issue, and were you to seriously study the intentions of the UN and understand their stance on global governance, you’d be just as adamantly against this whole CAGWCF (CF for Control Freaks) meme as I am. Curtailing carbon-based fuels puts the world economy into an unrecoverable tailspin until viable alternatives reach critical mass (and no, solar and wind are not “viable”).

    By the way, I’m also a scientist: BS, MS geology; BS, ME Mining Engineering. I found out science is only half the story infrared–you should study to be an engineer, too.

  61. In response to Hugh Pepper, commenter James Sexton said:

    Let’s not pretend skeptics aren’t demonized across this land by Billy and the minions of maniacal misanthropists. Anthony is a frequent target…….

    Tell you what Hugh Pepper, I’ll change “Billy” to William when your side of the debate stops acting like delinquent teenagers. For example, when I ask for a correction of Mike Roddy for his article:

    Mr. Michael V. Roddy
    [address redacted]
    Malibu, CA

    12/11/2010

    Dear Mr. Roddy,

    Pursuant to our email exchange, I am providing you this opportunity to correct some factually libelous errors associated with a report you made today on a website called “Alternet”.

    In this report, titled “5 Awards For the World’s Most Heinous Climate Villains” you have made a number of claims which are simply false. They are false because you sought no background information from either myself or anyone who might be knowledgeable on the subject of my personal business and publications.

    1. The first factual error.

    You write: “NOAA decided to take him up on his claim and analyzed the station data from all 1223 sites, and found no evidence of bias or distortion. “

    The factual error you made is that they did not analyze all 1223 sites. The 1223 number is incorrect in total (1218 is the correct number). They analyzed approximately 40% of the total network, based on data from me, which they downloaded and used before the surfacestations project was completed.

    This is clearly demonstrated in the Menne et al 2010 paper: On the reliability of the U.S. surface temperature record

    Download here: ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ushcn/v2/monthly/menne-etal2010.pdf

    From Figure 1:

    Source: “V1.05 USHCN Master Station List.” (Note this file was
    downloaded from http://www.surfacestations.org in June 2009, but is indicated as having been updated
    on 18 April 2008. A more complete set of USHCN station classifications as referenced by Watts [2009]
    was not available for general use at the time of this analysis.)

    and from the bottom of page 2 continuing into page 3:

    The geographic distribution of stations that fall into the two categories is shown in Figure 1 (note that just over 40% of the 1218 total USHCN Version 2 sites had available ratings).

    Thus, NCDC used an incomplete data set in their paper, NOT the entire data set. They used data prior to my completion of the project, and did so against my wishes in correspondence. You may not like this fact, but is certainly true and can be verified by Matt Menne at NCDC.

    My arguments against using the data set at this time was because the data set was spatially clumped near population centers, a byproduct of volunteerism. Only a handful of good “rural” sites had been surveyed at that point, thus providing an incomplete record which was biased toward urban stations.

    2. The next factual error in your article is:

    Anthony instantly dropped the project with no mention of his error and simply began shouting…

    No, the project has NOT been dropped. And continues to have it’s database updated. For example, if you view the surfacestations.org web page you’ll see this notice:

    Surfacestations project reaches 82% of the network surveyed. 1003 of 1221 stations have been examined in the USHCN network. The Google Earth map below shows current coverage.

    That is approximately double the number of stations that Menne et al 2010 used from my data set. The reason that Menne et al found no difference is because the data they used (by their own admission) was incomplete, because the project was incomplete at the time it was published. We now have enough stations both in rural and urban settings for the analysis to show the signal differences between station types, and enough to be fully spatially representative of the entire CONUS.

    Further, the project remains active. If you had taken the time to check the surfacestations.org database online here:

    http://gallery.surfacestations.org/main.php (by following the link from main page)

    And then click: “View Latest Updates” which leads you here:

    http://gallery.surfacestations.org/main.php?g2_view=dynamicalbum.UpdatesAlbum&g2_albumId=7

    You find several updates from 11/25/10, 11/22/10, 11/20/10 and so on from volunteers that are still actively updating the project.
    The purposes of this are two fold:
    1. Continuing to locate stations to have a complete a database as possible
    2. Quality control. Some stations that originally could only be surveyed aerially have been followed up with ground photos and with interviews with observers to get all the metadata possible and to ensure quality control.

    The purposes of quality control (our third pass now) have to do with the peer reviewed paper, now submitted an in review with the same journal that published Menne et al 2010.
    If you are at all familiar with peer review, you might realize that reviewers sometimes ask for entire sections of analysis to be done in a different way. To ensure that myself and my co-authors meet that criteria set by the reviewers, additional field work and QC is required.

    While the project remains active, and data is being updated, we have made no recent public announcements because the focus has been on analysis, QC, and completing the peer review process.
    It is my belief that you have mistaken this lack of front page updates or notices on WUWT for “dropping the project” when clearly it is active and the station metadata database is being updated.

    3. The third factual error in your article is:

    …support him through former pro-smoking “researchers” at the Heartland Institute.

    Mr Roddy, this is especially disturbing and painful to me for the following reason.

    Both of my parents died from smoking related illness. My father died in November 1969 when I was 11 years old of a myocardial infraction brought on by lung disease. My mother died of lung cancer in August of 1989. Both were smokers.

    Before I attended any Heartland Convention I asked the CEO, Joseph Bast to assure me that no part of the convention or my modest speakers fee and travel reimbursement had anything to do with tobacco companies. I was assured in writing that it was not.

    Given my own personal family tragedy, I made that a condition, and one that I take seriously. Therefore, I have no funding from Heartland related to tobacco, and I only have a speakers fee and travel expenses reimbursed for attending their conference and speaking.

    In this case I don’t personally fault you because you would not have been able to research this online, unlike the issues with the data and Menne et al above. Therefore I ask that you have the personal decency to remove or change references to pro-smoking supporting me.

    I further ask that you correct the factual errors that I have demonstrated in points 1 and 2 above.
    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

    Anthony Watts

    ========================================================================
    And then Roddy (who supports Bill McKibben) and his co-author respond with this:

    http://www.webcitation.org/5x0pgZdgl

    See the “corrections” at the end, which he apparently fully agrees with, due to this comment on Climate Progress:


    You can read all about Mike Roddy
    here.

  62. Death-eating Luddite sociopaths such as Paul Ehrlich, John Holdren, Keith Farnish, fostering a Green Gang of peculating AGW catastrophists, are ill-willed propagandists pure-and-simple, acting ever in bad faith under false pretenses to sabotage modern-day energy economies, undermine the whole range of post-Enlightenment industrial/technological civilization for their personal extreme-reactionary benefit.

    This Earth Day (Lenin’s birthday) 2012, these junk-science monomaniacs are true “enemies of the people” (cf: Alexandr Solzhenitsyn). To anyone doubting their intent, we answer with two words: Norman Borlaug. The bleats and squeaks this seminal figure evokes from Warmist commissars and gauleiters are wondrous to behold.

  63. Living in NYC for any length of time, one realizes that appearances mean nothing: The bedraggled derelict mooching along Fifth Avenue and 57th Street is a software billionaire shopping Tiffany’s for his beloved wife’s twentieth wedding anniversary Guard Band; behind him, the good bourgeois of beneficent countenance, replete with rep tie and professorial tweeds, is a monster of junk-science depravity advocating the annihilation by famine and disease of 95% of Earth’s current global population [we refer specifically to Paul Ehrlrich, John Holdren, Keith Farnish, and their Green Gang of peculating Luddite sociopaths].

    When the tumbrils roll, Mike Roddy will stand right next to Robespierre. Can’t happen soon enough.

  64. Seeing nothing so far, I suppose Hugh Pepper can’t bring himself to condemn Mike Roddy, nor form a cogent rebuttal.

  65. You’re right, Anthony–all these self-proclaiming “experts” and critics (and verifiably nasty dudes in your case) are suddenly nowhere to be found.

    But that’s ok–maybe they’re pondering while in their self-imposed isolation.

  66. I’m thinking that “Hugh Pepper” is an anagram of “James Hanson”.

    Not a correct anagram, of course, but the kind of anagram that emerges from the same type of mind that imagines ever increasing catastrophic weather severity and endless global warming driven by human activity.

    Try it yourself, it’s amazing what emerges. “Rings of a Siberian tree” becomes “determinant of thousands of years of global temperatures.” “Lack of warming for more than a decade” becomes “obviously the deep, deep, deep seas are absorbing the warmth, but only until next Tuesday, then WATCH OUT!”. “Realism overcomes warmist alarmism” becomes “holy sh*t, I’m about to lose three of my four homes, and 90% of my million/year speaking enagements.”

    But heck, as long as they impoverish the rest of the world at their enrichment, I suppose it’s ok as long as their intentions are good. (That’s an anagram for “good for THEM”.)

  67. Anthony,

    I admire the way both you and Steve McIntyre have handled the smears.

    I have to watch myself, because fellows like Roddy and Pepper get my blood boiling. I can sink to their level all too easily.

    The best thing to hit back with is the Truth. Not only the scientific facts, but the truth of their own behavior. To simply quote their smears is to hold up a mirror, and let them see themselves. (And let everyone else see as well.)

    I don’t blame a fellow like McKibben for wanting to keep his farm in Vermont clean and green. However there is no need for any smears or flasehoods. If he doesn’t like pipelines, he should stick to the facts. It is when he distorts Truth, and perpetuates actual lies, that my blood starts to boil. It is then he is a fellow who speaks fondly of small farms and rural communities, while increasing the cost of heating a farmhouse and running a small tractor. It won’t hurt a wealthy landowner like himself, but it sure hurts the little guy.

    Stand by the Truth and Truth will stand by you.

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