UPDATE: 11:30AM 4/12/12 Predictably, Andrew Revkin from the New York Times joins in with the poo-pooing consensus saying it is “utterly unremarkable ” (yet he writes a article about it – go figure). From Revkin’s shuttered in world of living in the woods (he didn’t even know what the TV show Seinfeld was until I brought it to his attention in Climategate2), that’s probably true, but Andy, here is one of your favorite consensus buzzphrases that can be applied: it is an unprecedented letter. There’s no denying that. – Anthony
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From the Daily Caller, in my opinion, a load of “hooey” from NASA’s chief scientist, particularly since James Hansen doesn’t bother with peer review much anymore, he just publishes opinions and protopapers to his Columbia University website and a compliant MSM repeats them as if they were in fact peer reviewed. Further, Hansen has never accepted an offer to debate, and he probably won’t. Clearly NASA’s chief scientist is clueless about what is going on.
NASA swipes back at former astronauts over climate change
NASA is swiping back at a group of nearly 50 of its former scientists and astronauts who wrote to accuse the space agency of advocating the “extreme” position that global warming is the result of man-made carbon dioxide.
In a March 28 letter addressed to NASA Administrator Charles Bolden, 49 former employees said the “unbridled advocacy of CO2 being the major cause of climate change is unbecoming of NASA’s history of making an objective assessment of all available scientific data prior to making decisions or public statements.”
But NASA responded on Wednesday by saying they don’t “draw conclusions and issue ‘claims’ about research findings.”
“We support open scientific inquiry and discussion,” NASA chief scientist Waleed Abdalati said in a statement provided to The Daily Caller.
“If the authors of this letter disagree with specific scientific conclusions made public by NASA scientists, we encourage them to join the debate in the scientific literature or public forums rather than restrict any discourse,” Abdalati said.
He added: “NASA sponsors research into many areas of cutting-edge scientific inquiry, including the relationship between carbon dioxide and climate.”
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“We support open scientific inquiry and discussion” That, my friends, is a political statement. Chief scientist? That’s a talking head, I’m sorry. Unlikely he does know or even care about ol’ Loose-Cannon-Hansen.
This is good in my opinion. Just the kind of thing we should hope for. Not only a response which by definition opens up an actual discussion which has been sorely lacking, but a weak response (which of course is about all they can ever manage)…
This is exactly why public attacks by credible, respected persons is so important.. We saw the same thing in the signed letter to the WSJ. By attacking the hack establishment warmists, they’re forced to respond, and by their response they show how weak they are.
We need more. MOre signed letters. More weak responses. It’s all good.
“We support open scientific inquiry and discussion,” I laughed my butt off when I read this.
NASA all but called the everyone who signed that letter Deniers. Abdalati is a disgrace but in all fairness is just a mouthpiece for the White House that is hellbent on shoving down the throats of everyone in America the Global Warming lie. The Climate Liars will do anything to advance their agenda, even smear the reputations of 50 great patriots.
The rest is just fluff.
If the authors of this letter disagree with specific scientific conclusions made public by NASA scientists, we encourage them to join the debate in the scientific literature.
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If anything was learnt from climategate it was that the likes of Hansen exert undue influence over the scientific literature.
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. I am the Great Wizard of Algore. Pay me and my comrade from NASA/GISS Jim Hansen lots of money for our carbon credits and we will save you from the doom and gloom.
But what does all this have to do with NASA’s prime mission of Moslem outreach?
I thought that is what they were doing–“disagreeing with scientific conclusions . . .in a public forum.”
As for not drawing conclusions, I guess he missed the memo about the boiling oceans….
“…we encourage them to join the debate in the scientific literature or public forums rather than restrict any discourse,”
Translation: accuse the *skeptics* of saying “there’s no room for debate.”
‘We support open scientific inquiry and discussion’, is not a political statement. It is a sanctimonious statement intended to gain the high gound in a debate, because no rational person could ever disagree with it.
Who would open a statement with
‘We do NOT support open scientific inquiry’
Who would open a statement with
‘We do NOT want discussion’
sanctimonious rubbish. in my opinion
What about Gavin Schmidt and his minions? He operates a website dedicated to promoting CAGW and he does it on NASA time. Is that part of peer reviewed literature?
“Abdalati is seconded to NASA from the University of Colorado at Boulder, where he is Director of the Earth Science and Observation Center at the Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences[4] and Associate Professor in the Department of Geography[5]. Abdalati
earned a Bachelor of Science (cum laude) from Syracuse University Department of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering in 1986[3], and later completed his graduate studies at the University of Colorado, where he received a M.Sc. in 1991 from the Department of Aerospace Engineering Sciences and a Ph.D. in 1996 from the Department of Geography[3][6]. In his doctoral research, Abdalati developed an algorithm to use the ratio of two microwave bands of the Special Sensor Microwave/Imager (SSM/I) sensor aboard Defense Meteorological Satellite Program (DMSP) vehicles to remotely detect changes in the spatial extent of the Greenland ice sheet experiencing melt each year.[7]”
Yup. A full throttle Warmist.
https://mdao.grc.nasa.gov/aeroquiz/aeroquizjul98.html
“Week of 7/13/98
Q: Peregrine falcons dive at speeds in excess of 200 miles per hour, striking their prey with traumatic force. Their diving speed potentially makes the falcon the fastest animal on the planet, and faster than the diving speeds of many airplanes. Amazingly, they dive at speeds faster than their terminal velocity. How?
A: They power themselves downward by flicking their wings as they fall.
No one got the correct answer!
– The Aeroquiz Editor”
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We can’t really blame NASA for one idiot’s stupidity, but we can blame them for allowing this superbird myth to flourish for the duration of their existence. And this is a thousand times simpler than climatology. –AGF
” “NASA sponsors research into many areas of cutting-edge scientific inquiry, including the relationship between carbon dioxide and climate.””
Are there any experiments to cite that would support this claim ?
I doubt he’s clueless. He’s just keeping his toes up next to the line and his nose in the trough like a good boy. NOBODY is speaking out and saying anything different than their bosses. Remember Hansen is just doing our president’s dirty work. I’ve never noticed a large gathering at any protest which included Hansen but, since he’s NASA it’s headlines and they all know it.
“We support open scientific inquiry and discussion,”
Don’t they also support RC? Or is that the “public forum” Abdalati is refering to, where open scientific inquiry and discussion can be swiftly closed down.
Is Waleed Abdalati’s being told by his boss to keep Hansen quiet?
Why they don’t want him to shut up?
Boggles the mind.
“NASA sponsors research into many areas of cutting-edge scientific inquiry, including the relationship between carbon dioxide and climate.”
NASA
sponsorsemploysresearchadvocates into many areas ofcutting-edgeprecariousscientificpoliticalinquirygatekeeping, including the relationship between carbon dioxide and climate.There, fixed it.
The SpaceRef website has the full NASA release which includes:
The mainstream tech forum slashdot has picked up the story now:
“A coalition of 49 ex-NASA employees, including seven Apollo astronauts, have accused the U.S. space agency of sullying its reputation by taking the ‘extreme position’ of concluding that carbon dioxide is a major cause of climate change. Is the claim in this letter opinion or fact?”
http://science.slashdot.org/story/12/04/12/176200/ex-nasa-employees-accuse-agency-of-extreme-position-on-climate-change
With the predictable co2 climate doomsday responses in their comment threads.
With NASA receiving about $1.2 BILLION this year SPECIFICALLY designated for “Combatting Climate Change” – I’d be surprised if Dr, Abdalati had not said what he did.
Further to what Pat said…
(My bold)
The lack of equivocation seems to indicate that Mr Abdalati has already made up his mind about what he is studying. All he had to add to his profile (http://cires.colorado.edu/people/abdalati/) were the words, ‘or not’.
Ahhh…. mush mouth words from a mush mouth bureaucrat/politician.
Don’t expect anything else from ‘Why-lead?’ Abdalati!
MtK
Thanks to the honest ex NASA guys for revealing the rotten core inside NASA.
NASA’s reaction is exactly what I expected – NASA IS circling the wagons.
pokerguy : Stated it best, essentially NASA continuer’s to dig deeper in to the sewer field that is mainstream climate science today. Talk about cutting their noses off to spite their face- Idiots!
It simply exposes their soft warmist data manipulating belly more and more each time as they go deeper into the mine feild with out a map or a mine sweeper. PLEEESE keep it up!!!!
PS anthony. The spell check funtion has stoped working?
REPLY: no, spell check is fine, PEBKAC, and it is spreading. – Anthony