Greenpeace in our time

Josh from cartoonsbyjosh.com has been extra busy this week. He writes of the latest IPCC debacle:

Christopher Booker suggested a lovely idea for his latest article They did not use it there… it is here instead ;-)

Oh but wait…there’s more…Josh also writes:

Also from the article, the sad fact that Wind Turbines, much loved by the renewable energy lobby, requires back up generators if they are going to supply continuous energy.
So what is the difference bewteen now and a greener future? More dead birds and a hideous view? Great.

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57 thoughts on “Greenpeace in our time

  1. BY VARCO commenting at CA

    IPCC = I peddle climate crap
    IPCC = I Peddle Climate Crap

    too good to be missed

  2. if only the greenies would see it as most normal folk!
    Unfortunately, what many fail to realise is the time it takes for coal fired power stations to ‘fire up’ – hence they normally run continuously – and hence the hydro power for instant ‘demand’. Alternative or renewables energy sources are unreliable, and so mainstream power sources must be kept ‘online’ for when they fail. It’s no different to hybrid cars which have normal petrol/gas for when the battery runs out! (the only difference being that in a power generation scenario, the power station is ‘run up’ in days or weeks, not at the flick of a dashboard switch!)

  3. Um, idea for the second panel.
    “Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket.” (Barack Obama).

  4. I beleive there are reasonable ways to use particular sources for energy. I want to save the earth but I wouldn’t want to rely on what makes the Hybrid runs. If you uses the right source of energy for whatever reasons then you help save the earth and . I explain more later.

  5. The IPCC strikes again. Has anyone coined the term “greenwashing” yet? Because that’s what the IPCC is doing – rubber stamping Greenpeace’s propaganda and “washing” it. The IPCC is being operating no differently than Goldman Sachs and Lehman Bros during the sub-prime mortgage run-up – take a bunch of crap mortgages (or in the IPCC’s case untenable environmental policy) and run it through the machines of perceived respectability, and ta-dah! you have “AAA” mortgages and “peer-reviewed” conclusive evidence. We all saw what happened when the sub-prime mortgage meltdown happened – now we get to watch what happens when the entire AGW movement melts down under the same pressure. Pass the popcorn – this is going to be fun!

  6. The whole thing is a laughing stock now. A bloody expensive one.

    Oliver Martin says:
    June 18, 2011 at 5:01 pm
    A “Silent Spring” energy policy?

    Nice one – wind power will probably kill a lot more birds than DDT ever did.

  7. Rather like the huge new solar power plant that they are going to build in Queensland. Most of the MSM reports are totally ignoring the fact that it is in fact a solar/gas plant. It will be interesting once it is in operation to see if they publish how much of its output is from solar and how much from gas.

  8. The viewscape issue with wind farms is something that shouldn’t be ignored. I was thinking about this driving across I-80 last week. An interesting drive in that it crosses several large wind farms & multiple large natural gas fields. The wind farms are visible for 10’s of miles & really detract from some very pretty views of distant mountain ranges. Having driven this many times before the wind farms were there, I can say the wind farms are a pretty big negative impact on the feeling of the “wide open spaces” & “remoteness from civilization” you get in Wyoming (which is what I like about Wyoming) . The gas fields on the other hand are hardly noticeable & in fact probably wouldn’t be noticed at all by those who didn’t already know the gas fields were there.

    All that being said, I have never seen Wyoming greener – even in desolate Rock Springs, it was green & there were still snow drifts on the bluffs – in mid June (you have to appreciate that this area is essentially a high desert & generally considered pretty bleak my most – this is very atypical for this late in the year – see other WUWT posts on cold / wet spring in the mountain west). I don’t think this is what the CAGW folks had envisioned.

  9. Imaginary Planetary Crisis Cookbook.
    Recipe of the day: Ponzi Pastry Turnovers stuffed with taxpayer Green.

  10. From the ecofascists of the budding 4th Reich we have a supposed fanatical concern about wildlife, halting factory construction to protect toads or spiders and even halting a port expansion to protect some slime. However the silence from the eco green shirts is deafening about the vast numbers of birds and bats being killed by the growing number of windmills/bird manglers.

    Suddenly from a total commitment to protecting all lifeforms like slime and bacteria even at the expense of jobs and economic prosperity to a total silence about decimated bird and bat populations, some of which are rare. Greenpeace should be called redconflict. Its a political organisation with political aims and as such views all things as tools to further its political ambitions. Poverty and misery and hate and jealousy is the perfect manure in which Marxism grows and prospers, they need it and thrive in it and without it they are nothing.

    Prosperity and contentment, full employment and a vibrant economic environment, these are poison to Marxist agitators like greenpeace/redconflict. If it meant killing all wildlife on earth to bring about their warped political vision then that would be a small price for them. Everything is political and everything is expendable and everything is a political tool to be exploited.

  11. The real question is, what are we going to do with all those dead birds? Some suggestions:
    Fertilizer, we want green, right?
    But wait, first mulch and make methane out of em, then use the remainder for fertilizer, we will need the methane to make some actual power anyway.
    Animal feed, but we all know people eating meat is bad and evil (PETA, People Eating Tasty Animals).
    Or we could gather them all up and mail them to certain government officials…

  12. bluedolly25 says:
    June 18, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    I beleive there are reasonable ways to use particular sources for energy. I want to save the earth but I wouldn’t want to rely on what makes the Hybrid runs. If you uses the right source of energy for whatever reasons then you help save the earth and . I explain more later.

    Please don’t. More illiterate garbled nonsense is not wanted.

  13. Josh forgot to draw in the power lines connecting the turbines to the grid and the roads connecting all the trurbines together.

  14. NikFromNYC [June 18, 2011 at 8:47 pm] says:

    NikFromNYC, can you get your bird stuff past the socialists censors here?

    Some select examples of comments to [guardian.co.uk] UK urges Ireland to build wind farms on west coast

    “I have always been for wind farms but the bird killing issue disturbs me. Is there any concrete evidence for this?”

    “Not as far as I know. I think some prototype models poorly situated did, but it’s pretty rare for modern turbines to kill birds. If you want to compare and contrast killing methods, I guess our entire planetary ecosystem is adversely affected by CO2 emissions …”

    “Some seem quite happy to whine about birds and eyesores while failing to offer any alternative solution to the mining and burning of fossil fuels … In fact birds are not an issue if the turbines are placed correctly and onshore turbines can in fact protect an area’s biodiversity by not allowing any other construction in the area. More birds are killed by cats in the UK and Ireland than wind turbines. I don’t see any RSPB campaign against cats.”

    “By the way, I don’t have any links but, from memory, studies have shown that wind farms pose very little threat to bird populations. Birds tend to be quite clever when it comes to avoiding large obstacles.”

    “There has been a lot of work done on this issue, one big study tagged migrating birds and recorded their movements. It was found the birds were quite aware of the turbines and plotted a course around or in between them and they even managed this at night so it’s not really a problem. Sorry no I have no link for this, it was in a lecture.”

  15. Yep, I think ‘Greenpeace in our Time’ is a trenchant slogan. I’ve got precedence for it at CA, but I’m glad others think it’s effective.
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  16. Heh, on rereading, I like it even better now.

    Oh God, please lift the
    Guilt of achieving success.
    Greenpeace in our time.
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  17. The bird and the bat killing, tragic though it is, and useful for demonstrating green hypocrisy, is only strike four against the windmills. Strike one is energy density, strike two is intermittency, and strike three is the noise pollution, subsonic even worse than audible.

    We will always cherish a few of them as signal markers of how high the tide of human foolishness can rise.
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  18. If you’d told Fritz Lang of this, he’d have laughed his ass off and then gotten busy.
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  19. Borrowed Josh’s cartoon for our fight against this wind farm, http://www.palmerston-north.info – hope that it’s OK to do so. Happy to remove it if it’s not. We are gaining traction in this 5 year battle and the website has been a great tool. I strongly recommend others in this situation build a website, and without courting a defamation lawsuit, be blunt and speak your mind. The promoters will not fight fair and will try every trick in the book. All it will cost is a domain name. We should have a final decision soon.

  20. Not only do they devastate vast swaths landscape and kill birds in wholesale lots, they drive out wildlife for miles around. No deer, bear, squirrels, or even raccoons. We know this from experience in West Virginia, Pennsylvania, and Maine.

    In Wisconsin, farmers are finding that the stress of constant subsonic noise is reducing the productivity of dairy herds and increasing livestock miscarriages. In the Yorkshire seal breeding grounds on the North Sea, vastly more seal pups have been found born dead or abandoned by their mothers, due to noise stress from the offshore wind farm — subsonic noise travels huge distances underwater.

    These utterly useless monstrosities are doing more damage to more of the planet than all human pollution since the beginning of the industrial age. It is long past time to get serious about saving the environment from the environmentalists.

    Visit wind-watch.org for more information.

  21. Bob Tisdale, For those of us old enough to remember those machines that is CLASSIC!! LMAO

  22. I doubt it would be possible to find a picture of an ugly scar from a coal strip-mining operation. (And I’m sure the acid rain has no effect on bird populations either directly for through the resulting destruction of environment. We also need not mention “black lung” other to say it is a recommended homeopathic treatment for all respiratory ailments).

    No double standards observed here. None at all.

    /sarc

  23. Mr Lynn says:
    June 19, 2011 at 4:52 am

    Steven Kopits says:
    June 18, 2011 at 6:23 pm
    Univ Colorado drawing fire for re-working sea level change rates.

    http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/06/17/research-center-under-fire-for-adjusted-sea-level-data/

    I’m surprised that this hasn’t made WUWT yet—did I miss it?

    /Mr Lynn

    Something odd is going on re sea level – here is Steve Goddard’s take:

    http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/hiding-the-decline-in-sea-level/

    REPLY: I covered it two months ago, old news. Just because Fox and Goddard and a bunch of people are caterwauling now doesn’t mean WUWT “missed” it.

    – Anthony

  24. Bob Tisdale says:
    June 18, 2011 at 5:28 pm


    Windmills = Birdamatic. Slices, dices, makes Julienne fries.

    grayman says:
    June 19, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Bob Tisdale, For those of us old enough to remember those machines that is CLASSIC!! LMAO

    Was this machine what Jim Carrey was advertising in the film “The Truman show”? In the kitchen scene with his “wife” near the end?

  25. I do like the last line of the Brooker piece:-
    “A spokesman for the IPCC was unavailable for comment.”
    That’s probably just as well, given their propensity to completely balls things up every time they say something.

  26. @ James Keenan, June 19, 2011 at 10:50 am —

    Precisely. Notice that the real environmental problems of coal are from mining, not burning (the “acid rain” nonsense being another phony scare); the burning pollution is a solved problem (fluidized bed, scrubbers, etc.); the remaining challenge is to make these technologies cheaper so that China and India will include them in their designs.

    The US is now spending the equivalent of $300 for every man, woman, and child in the population annually on subsidies to “wind power”. Can you imagine the progress that could have been made had even a small fraction of that sum been spent on research towards safer and cleaner coal mining?

  27. Jimmy Haigh says:
    June 18, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    > Oliver Martin says:
    > June 18, 2011 at 5:01 pm
    >> A “Silent Spring” energy policy?

    > Nice one – wind power will probably kill a lot more birds than DDT ever did.

    And getting rid of it wouldn’t cause more people to go blind. It would in fact remove an eyesore.

  28. Something odd is going on re sea level – here is Steve Goddard’s take:

    http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/hiding-the-decline-in-sea-level/

    REPLY: I covered it two months ago, old news. Just because Fox and Goddard and a bunch of people are caterwauling now doesn’t mean WUWT “missed” it.

    – Anthony

    Yes I read that post. But I thought that the rather startling figure in Steve Goddard’s blog (“normalised” Envisat plot) was something new. It looks like an overturning sea level.

  29. @ Zorro (June 19, 2011 at 2:27 am )

    Borrowed Josh’s cartoon for our fight against this wind farm

    Remember to add a link giving Josh the credit . It would also be polite to ask him directly for permission to post it,.

    Good luck with the struggle. Like you, I don’t want our land despoiled with the things.

  30. Bob Tisdale says:
    June 18, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    Windmills = Birdamatic. Slices, dices, makes Julienne fries.

    grayman says:
    June 19, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Bob Tisdale, For those of us old enough to remember those machines that is CLASSIC!! LMAO

    Was this machine what Jim Carrey was advertising in the film “The Truman show”? In the kitchen scene with his “wife” near the end?

    My mistake – its his onscreen wife Meryl, not Truman, who advertises the slicer-dicer to the viewing audience, Carrey replies “what are you talking about? Who are you talking to?”

  31. Annette, many thanks, that is spot on. I tried contacting Zorro direct but could not find any way of doing so on the blog he linked to.

    Zorro – of course you can use the cartoon! Good luck with your campaign. If you are able to add a link to my site that would be great. Thanks!

  32. Craig Goodrich says:

    @ James Keenan, June 19, 2011 at 10:50 am –

    Precisely. Notice that the real environmental problems of coal are from mining, not burning
    ++++++++++++++

    I have been researching the clean combustion of coal for domestic stoves for several years. In 2010 lab tests of several products showed a reduction in the emissions of particulate matter (PM2.5) of more than 99% compared with existing stove products. It is odd that coal is invariably blamed for the poor performance of the stove. In a similar manner, kerosene (paraffin) is blamed because the device it is burned in produces smoke and smell. Commercial aircraft burn kerosene (Jet A) with very high efficiency – so it is the device, not the fuel that is the problem.

    It is unfortunate that false stories about coal dominate discussion of it as an energy source, the acid rain hoax being the most widespread. The particles from power stations are not inherent in the coal, they are a product of the combustion process. It is common for students at university to be taught that the particles come from the coal itself, i.e. that there are clean and dirty coals. Amazing.

    “Uranium” from coal burning is an emerging scare. Do the math. Turns out the ‘radiation exposure’ from it is akin to having a stone fireplace or walking in the woods once a year. Walking into a concrete building gives one far greater exposure (because of emissions from the aggregate in the concrete).

    Why is it so much green propaganda relies on ignorance for effect? Where and what is the real content? Surely it is not ALL vacuous puffery?

  33. Brilliant Cartoon / Headline . The combination just so captures the essence of this whole situation.

  34. Josh done me a cool T- shirt with his pricelesS ‘Greenpeace in our time’ cartoon.
    Now I’m thinking of getting more done, to give to all my environmentalist friends.

    It’s great how that image can be read both ways. On the face of it supporting an Eco friendly world, which I’m all in favour off btw. , but with the underlying message that only those with a deeper historical perspective will
    get.

    I don’t know where Josh gets his talent from , but I think this piece is worthy of even that great Czech tradition, for cartooning under oppression.
    Indeed it’s frightening to think, that in the Czechoslovakia of those times , one would have been thrown in jail for less than this.

    http://Www.cartoonsbyjosh.com

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