Without even invoking the angst the media had over climategate emails, where somebody simply got fed up with the constant illegal sidestepping of FOI requests and dumped the whole lot…
FOIA said
November 17, 2009 at 9:57 pm e
We feel that climate science is, in the current situation, too important to be kept under wraps.
We hereby release a random selection of correspondence, code, and documents. Hopefully it will give some insight into the science and the people behind it.
…we have this comment via Instapundit about the current state of affairs related to obtaining public emails:
BLOG COMMENT OF THE DAY: “The Washington Post thinks it’s ‘harassment’ to request Michael Mann’s files from the University of Virginia (their Memorial Day editorial) but it’s cool with requesting and obtaining and asking for citizen-journalists to go through 24,000 of the State of Alaska’s emails involving Sarah Palin.”
I never thought I’d see any comparison of any kind between Michael Mann and Sarah Palin, and yet, here we are.
I’d love to see what Sarah could do to Mikey with a hockey stick!
When we thought we had seen all, very much mistaken we were.
The left are the most hypocritical and hateful people we have in this country and they continue to expose themselves as such every day.
After much meditation and internal debate, I have come to the conclusion that Sara Palin is Much better looking than Michael Mann. There really is no comparison there.
Found in the 24000 emails:
Dear MM,
Thanks for the advice on avoiding FOIA requests for emails. The part about getting all your associates to delete their correspondence was especially helpful. I also found your proprietary approach to denying FOIA most useful.
On your advice I have deleted all emails I can find showing acts of impropriety, and have requested all my associates to do likewise. Should these emails be found missing, I will do as you have instructed and simply state that there was no more room on the server, and so the files were systematically removed and no longer exist.
Kindest regards,
SP
Sarc/
GPlant
That was the first thing i thought when the BBC talked about the ‘release’ of Sarah’s emails. I don’t know much about american politics, but the hypocrisy stank with their differing treatment between that and Climategate.
‘Different ‘ is a key word when it comes to AGW faithful, for example someone flying for a once a year holiday is a planet killing monster , a green icon raking up multiple long haul flights to attend ‘green events ‘ is OK because its ‘different’ . So lies , misbehavior , poor conducted and abuse of the scientific process are all OK if there done in support of AGW , because that’s ‘different’ to when anyone else does it . So although its perfectly OK to use FOI against those that did not share the AGW faith, with no concern at all about academic freedom , its ‘different’ when it comes to those that support AGW.
What’s that Krauthammer phrase? Ah Yes: Hypocrisy on stilts. (or something like that). In terms of contrast and based on the results of the Washington Post harrassment so far that indicate there is no smoking gun and that Governor Paln is who she says she is, there’s sure to be more questionable information from those University of Virginia files than from Alaska’s E-Mails. After all, Mann stopped being what he said he was, a scientist, a while back.
In a further bizarre twist, this post is carrying a Google ad for investing in carbon credits, “the world’s next trillion $ market”. 42% returns are dangled before us.
Stranger bedfellows have I yet to see.
Well, after all, Sarah Palin’s emails are more important than the future cost of energy. She may have written something that can be tortured into an indication of mental deficiency. The bankruptcy of the individual trying to heat his home, the loss of reliably available power, the ability to power industry, and the base of our way of life pale in comparison to the possibility of a misspelled word.
I love WUWT and the, generally, intelligent comments and discussions but, I can’t help feeling that humanity is headed South, It seems that mankind is good at survival and subsistence but poor at living well. Since we have been freed up from the daily grind of hunting and gatering we have descended into incessant bickering. Outrageous and nonsensical theories, economic, scientific, and otherwise win the day because of human greed and deviousness.
On the other hand, I haven’t had my coffee yet so, everything may be OK anyway.
Now how about we try to gauge how much the liberal media pores over Palin’s e-mails versus how much time they spent on the Climategate e-mails. Wanna bet it’s at least 100X more time and effort reading and dissecting Palin’s mail?
Mann is politicized and so is Palin. Palin is a politician. What seems to be an intellectual integrity issue with Mann is he wants to be taken as an unbiased scientist while politicizing.
John
It is indeed rather strange. Palins mails will of course be of the Paradise Hotel type. Who said what to whom. Who will be in charge over what. Who will be boss. She said this and he said that.
Feminine brain stuff.
Mann’s mails should be of the more scientific stuff. How do we filter this and that away. How can we hide LIA? And so on. Yes, I know. Its feminine brain stuff, too.
So it should be much more importat to see Mann-mails than Palin-mails. But it isnt. Its the same.
I was late in looking at anything to do with global warming. The one thing that quickly put me in the skeptical camp was the stonewalling and refusal the share data and methods. One can survive mistakes and over enthusiasm. Trying to cover them up instantly turns them and the coverup into fraud and this is true even if the original event was just a mistake. Just ask the IRS. Mann should take a look at one happened to one congressman this last week when he tried to stonewall his “tiny” problem.
This is funny….
…..something for the MSM to talk about besides………..
“Anthony Weiner (Pelosi’s pet attack dog) of New York on Saturday said he was entering a psychological treatment center and seeking a leave of absence from the House to deal with a …
Comment in the British press
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/the-palin-files-inside-the-crazy-world-of-a-presidential-wannabe-2296465.html
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyharnden/100091820/american-way-sarah-palin-email-frenzy-backfires-on-her-media-antagonists/
Chris F says:
June 12, 2011 at 5:56 am
The left are the most hypocritical and hateful people we have in this country and they continue to expose themselves as such every day.
To be fair, the right are also the most hypocritical and hateful people we have in this country.
None of us are any good.
Sarah should have sent her email file to Michael Mann. Then the media would demand that he release everything.
The climategate emails showed the true character of “scientists” like Mann, his dishonesty is plain ugly.
Sarah is a hockey Mom and Mann is a hockey Dad.
Same in the UK:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/sarah-palin-emails
While its true they expose themselves, the MSM consistently hide it or ignore it. It is only here in the new media that we get a glimpse.
“The Washington Post thinks it’s ‘harassment’ to request Michael Mann’s files from the University of Virginia (their Memorial Day editorial) but it’s cool with requesting and obtaining and asking for citizen-journalists to go through 24,000 of the State of Alaska’s emails involving Sarah Palin.”
Awesome point! And a disappointing reflection on the Wash Post, about which I have a higher opinion than the rest of the MSM.
A commenter (Sal Minella; undoubtely hailing from New York City’s Little Italy …) here at WUWT correctly highlights the absurd inversion of priorities here:
“The bankruptcy of the individual trying to heat his home, the loss of reliably available power, the ability to power industry, and the base of our way of life pale in comparison to the possibility of a misspelled word.”
Yes; i.e., pales in comparison to the potential opportunity to ridicule a public figure that you detest with all of the rationality and maturity of an eight year old.
The Left follows Saul Alinsky’s playbook. They are Alinskyites, tried and true. They are not our fellow Americans who look to the best interests of America when in power and who are the loyal opposition when out of power. They are out to destroy America as it was understood by our founders and as it was understood by Democrats as late as the administration of John Kennedy. They are succeeding. The one thing that might stop them is the New Great Depression that they are bringing upon us. What does this have to do with climate science?
Schmidt, Solomon, and Trenberth, along with the editor of PNAS, recently subjected Lindzen to Alinskyite treatment. They violated the rules of PNAS to keep Lindzen’s work from being published and I have no doubt that they would relish the opportunity to publicly brand Lindzen a non-scientist and a crank. That is the Alinskyite method. The struggle over climate science is not something that takes place within science but is the defining political struggle of this generation. It is of a piece with the struggle over Obamacare. The bottom line in both cases is government control and micromanagement of individual lives. To attain such control, the Alinskyites are quite happy to destroy science in the process.
Sal Minella: …we have been freed up from the daily grind of hunting and gatering….
Sal, you’re from Florida, right? : >)