From LiveScience, another reason for NASA to fire Jame Hansen now:
Here’s the basis for his actions in a nutshell:
If carbon dioxide emissions aren’t reduced in time, the Earth will pass a tipping point with irreversible, catastrophic consequences, including the disintegration of ice sheets and large-scale extinction of species, according to the scientific analysis Hansen provided to the lawsuit.
I think Dr. Hansen has lost it. Earth has had higher CO2 concentrations several times in its history and it didn’t head to runaway roasting. So far, this all hinges on positive feedbacks, and there doesn’t seem to be much conclusive evidence for it. Here’s what Pielke Sr. has to say about CO2 as a control knob for Earth’s climate system.
Read Dr. Hansen’s latest non peer reviewed paper where he justifies to himself the use of kids as legal pawns here:
The Case for Young People and Nature: A Path to a Healthy, Natural, Prosperous Future
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I thought the tipping point already occurred 15 years ago so why the fuss?
Can’t wait for him to testify. The cross-examination will be priceless.
I’m just hopeful that it can be used as a venue to put CAGW evidence on trial.
This is child abuse -if Mr. Hansen achieves his goal of destroying modern civilization,
These kids have no future except as cooks and serfs for the folks in the ‘Big House..’
Fire the SOB
Hansen’s kids as plaintiffs, Atmungsführerin Lisa Jackson as defendant …
Either way, evil loses. Bring it on!
Using children as pawns is part of their standard modus operandi:
A friend of mine has children aged 6 and 7 who came home one day and told their parents to put the lights out or the polar bears are going to die.
This is outrageous abuse.
“I think Dr. Hansen has lost it.”
I nominate this as the Self-evident Statement of the Year…
PS
I propose that we confiscate ALL the research funds slated for NASA/GISS to defray the legal costs incurred by the government (i.e. the taxpayers) in defending this frivolous lawsuit!
Are such conflicts of interest allowed in the US?
jeeez, it’s all about us
No fun trying to sue China….
People just are not buying it any more, they missed their tipping points, their predictions have been wrong….
They keep claiming it’s not weather, and keep making weather predictions that make them look like total idiots
It’s a hard sell when people can’t make their house payments, to tell them “energy prices will naturally have to go up under my plan”
Dr. Hansen has demonstrably passed the “tipping point”. What a messed up individual. He and Gore must be blood relatives.
When I was a boy in the 1950s, my father told me ‘The very worst thing you can say of a man is “He meant well”.’ At the time, I didn’t fully understand – I thought he was simply talking about failure, and I could certainly think of worse things than failure.
Men like Hansen illustrate what he was really talking about.
In a ‘nutshell’ was very appropriate wording.
My teenage sons have profound interest in insuring that their money is not wasted away to nothing. Already they face a huge debt just to pay for our social security and medicare, plus all the other government debt. The last thing in the world they need is higher energy taxes, or higher energy cost imposed by mandate use of inefficient energy sources. This is especially silly since there is no need for it. Nor should my sons have to put up with rolling blackouts and energy shortages because of the use of intermittent power sources like wind and solar.
The tipping point was passed long ago.
The one question, if it matters, was exactly when, irreversibly, catastrophically, Hansen went over the edge. The other question is when the noticeable consequences will start. Sometime after 2012?
It’s about time people wake up and see how their kids are being used and subjected to abuse, by the any means necessary enviro-movement. As well as political power grabs of the bought and paid for politicians at the hands of special interest. It’s not just the nut-jobs on the left but right as well. The masses just sit there while these people use their tax dollars to strip them of their liberty wither it be threw the courts, presidential executive orders, or legislation. Now not only have they indoctrinated our children they want to use them as pawns/tools in the judicial system. The parents I am sure are going along with it cause they can push their beliefs vicariously through their children……They don’t care about the “children” unless they can use them and it seems to be they way of the parents as well.
Sad days ahead my friends if we continue to let these people get away with stealing the minds of our children.
Will the government defend itself or throw the case to promote cap and trade?
I know it is bad behaviour to copy a post from another thread, but it seems wise for me to copy to here what I recently wrote on another thread of WUWT which considered the same subject as this thread. It seems wise for me to copy it in the light of the “bring it on” comments above and considering that this thread directly mentions James Hansen: some people may not be aware of his past ‘form’.
The post I am copying was in the thread at
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/05/04/desperate-measures-indeed/
and is as follows.
Please note that it provides two illustrations of the problem it explains: one court case was won by the the anti-AGW side and the other was won by pro-AGW activists on the basis of James Hansen’s testimony.
Richard
Richard S Courtney says:
May 5, 2011 at 3:27 am
Friends:
There is a real risk here.
Legal evidence and scientific evidence are very different.
Expert opinions of available technical information are evidence in a law court, and the most authoritative of those opinions are accepted as being “facts”.
Empirical data are evidence in science, and the data are accepted as being “facts” unless and until other empirical data disproves them. Interpretations of the data are opinions that have equal worth (regardless of the expertise of the opinion holders) so long as the opinions are consistent with the data.
Courts of law do not evaluate scientific evidence (how could they?). Instead, when confronted with conflicting interpretations of a technical issue, law courts evaluate the expertise of the holders of expert opinions. So, in a court of law, the Expert Witness with the greatest authority in a technical field provides the technical “facts” which the court accepts as being the most definitive legal evidence.
The Kingsnorth Power Station trial in the UK demonstrated the seriousness of the problem that the nature of legal evidence provides for those who want scientific evidence assessed in a court of law.
Eco-terrorists had attacked the power station by cutting through its boundary fence to effect entry, then climbing its chimney and painting graffiti on it. This cost the owners of the power station much money for repairs, removal of the graffiti and – most importantly – having to close down the power station while the eco-terrorists were removed. These facts were not disputed.
However, the law of England allows a person to damage another person’s property if that damage is needed to prevent more serious harm; e.g. a door of a burning building may need to be smashed to rescue a child trapped in the building, or property may need to be destroyed to create a fire-break that will stop progress of a fire that is out of control, or… etc.
The eco-terrorists claimed that the carbon dioxide emissions from the power station are causing severe climate change which is much more harmful than any harm and costs caused by their attack on the power station. Indeed, their case was that the interruption of the power station’s operation induced by their attack was a greater benefit than the costs and damage of their attack.
This case (presented by the eco-terrorists) is clearly untrue – it is ridiculous – according to available scientific evidence. But they won their case and were acquitted.
Their acquittal resulted from Dr James Hansen travelling to the UK to attend as an Expert Witness for their defence. He is Head of NASA GISS and, therefore, is a very authoritative Expert Witness. The government of the USA has appointed Dr Hansen to that position and, therefore, the government of the USA has declared that he is a supreme authority on climate change effected by power station emissions.
In the face of that expert opinion, the court had no option other than to accept the case presented by the eco-terrorists as being true and, therefore, it acquitted them.
Another UK legal case demonstrates the same problem.
A legal attempt successfully stopped indoctrination of children by showing Mr Al Gore’s film “An Inconvenient Truth” in schools without warning that the film was a political document. The UK government was the defendant because it wanted the showing of the film without comment in schools. But the Court found against the UK government because
(a) the UK government agreed that the UN IPCC was the supreme authority on climate change
and
(b) the film did not agree with scientific statements of the IPCC.
In summation:
governments declare peoples’ authority as “experts” by appointing them,
courts accept the words of “experts” with greatest authority as being “facts”,
and law courts decide on the basis of those “facts”.
Hence, defending scientific truth of AGW in a court of law is very, very difficult.
Richard
““I think Dr. Hansen has lost it.”
I nominate this as the Self-evident Statement of the Year…”
Agreed . . . what we refer to up here in snowdrift land as a:
“A Blinding Flash of the Obvious”
“…. our climate remains stable enough….”
Pray tell, when has our climate ever been “stable” or even “unstable?” From what I have gleened from the information published here and elsewhere is that the one constant is that the climate changes following a pattern. Periods of cold, followed by periods of warmth, so on and so on. That is the true “stable,” change. I wonder what judge they have shopped for, because I see an inevitable overturning of any judgement in the plaintiff’s favor.
Dave says:
“Will the government defend itself or throw the case to promote cap and trade?”
The government has played games like that in the past.
According to Hansen et al
Hmmm…. was this written prior to 2009?
and this:
He acknowledges in the following sentence that this was shown to be untrue in in 2007, but never mind, leave in the false statement anyway.
There is clearly no lower limit to the type of behavior that these people will stoop. It is really disappointing, but no longer surprising.
Interesting. So nutjob himself may be called upon to go under cross examination of the evidence he has submitted? Let’s hope so.
Kids: Using the ‘Default King’ as your expert isn’t a good idea. Maybe God did it!