Clean Coal (Say WATT?) – Our Energy Future

Guest Post by Ira Glickstein

The December 2010 issue of the Atlantic shows an amazing turn-around by some of the Global Warming warmists! Yes, they are still tuned in to the CAGW crowd predicting imminent climate change disaster, but … BUT, some have reversed themselves on their previous ‘ol devil coal! Turns out we need coal to generate Watts of electricity for our electric cars and, they say, we can do it in a way that is environmentally correct.

The cover story, by respected author James Fallows, is titled Why the Future of Clean Energy is Dirty Coal. {Click the link to read it free online.}

Recall that, only last year, a leading alarmist, NASA’s James Hansen, one of the key science advisors on Al Gore’s The Inconvenient Truth movie, wrote:

“..coal is the single greatest threat to civilization and all life on our planet. … The dirtiest trick that governments play on their citizens is the pretense that they are working on ‘clean coal’… The trains carrying coal to power plants are death trains. Coal-fired power plants are factories of death.” 

Fallows writes:

“To environmentalists, ‘clean coal’ is an insulting oxymoron. But for now, the only way to meet the world’s energy needs, and to arrest climate change before it produces irreversible cataclysm, is to use coal—dirty, sooty, toxic coal— …” 

Amazingly, while atmospheric CO2 is still the bogeyman of what alarmists say is an imminent Global Warming disaster, coal, which is nearly all carbon and generates CO2 when burned as intended, is part of the solution! Fallows writes:

Before James Watt invented the steam engine in the late 1700s—that is, before human societies had much incentive to burn coal and later oil in large quantities—the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was around 280 parts per million, or ppm … By 1900, as Europe and North America were industrializing, it had reached about 300 ppm.

Now the carbon-dioxide concentration is at or above 390 ppm, which is probably the highest level in many millions of years. “We know that the last time CO2 was sustained at this level, much of the Greenland and West Antarctic ice sheets were not there,” Michael Mann, a climate scientist at Penn State, told me. Because of the 37 billion annual tons of carbon-dioxide emissions, the atmospheric carbon-dioxide level continues to go up by about two ppm a year. For perspective: by the time today’s sixth-graders finish high school, the world carbon-dioxide level will probably have passed 400 ppm, and by the time most of them are starting families, it will have entered the 420s. …

Michael Mann told me. “What we have with rising CO2 levels in general is a dramatically increasing probability of serious and deleterious change in our climate.” He went down the list: more frequent, severe, and sustained heat waves, like those that affected Russia and the United States this summer; more frequent and destructive hurricanes and floods; more frequent droughts, like the “thousand-year drought” that has devastated Australian agriculture; and altered patterns of the El Niño phenomenon, which will change rainfall patterns in the Americas. …

You should recognize Michael Mann as the creator of the deceptive “hockey stick curve” at the center of many of the Climategate emails. (See this and this and this and this.) Note also the standard line that, whatever happens to the weather: hotter, colder, dryer, wetter, stormy, calm, sunny, cloudy, … whatever, it is all due to high CO2 levels (even if they don’t plow your streets after a blizzard :^)

So, what is the solution? Fallows writes:

Isn’t “clean energy” the answer? Of course—because everything is the answer. The people I spoke with and reports I read differed in emphasis, sometimes significantly. Some urged greater stress on efficiency and conservation; some, a faster move toward nuclear power or natural gas; some, an all-out push for solar power and other renewable sources …

Note the mention of nuclear, also a bogeyman of the green crowd until a few years ago. In this regard much of the world is ahead of us. When I bicycled in France a few years ago, you could see nuclear power plant cooling towers in much of the countryside (except near Paris – I guess that is where the professional environmentalists live) and France generates most of its electricity using nuclear energy. It will take the US quite a while to catch up, but it is good to see a mainstream liberal literary magazine starting to lead the way. The above paragraph also mentions natural gas, a fossil fuel, ahead of “solar power and other renewable sources” stuck in at the end. It seems they finally realize that we need energy and, at least for the next decades, it will continue to be coal, burned in a cleaner way, plus nuclear and natural gas.

Fallows continues:

“Emotionally, we would all like to think that wind, solar, and conservation will solve the problem for us,” David Mohler of Duke Energy told me. “Nothing will change, our comfort and convenience will be the same, and we can avoid that nasty coal. Unfortunately, the math doesn’t work that way.”…

Coal will be with us because it is abundant: any projected “peak coal” stage would come many decades after the world reaches “peak oil.” It will be with us because of where it’s located: the top four coal-reserve countries are the United States, Russia, China, and India, which together have about 40 percent of the world’s population and more than 60 percent of its coal. …

“I know this is a theological issue for some people,” Julio Friedmann of Lawrence Livermore said. “Solar and wind power are going to be important, but it is really hard to get them beyond 10 percent of total power supply.” …

What would progress on coal entail? The proposals are variations on two approaches: ways to capture carbon dioxide before it can escape into the air and ways to reduce the carbon dioxide that coal produces when burned. In “post-combustion” systems, the coal is burned normally, but then chemical or physical processes separate carbon dioxide from the plume of hot flue gas that comes out of the smokestack. Once “captured” as a relatively pure stream of carbon dioxide, this part of the exhaust is pressurized into liquid form and then sold or stored. …

“Pre-combustion” systems are fundamentally more efficient. In them, the coal is treated chemically to produce a flammable gas with lower carbon content than untreated coal. This means less carbon dioxide going up the smokestack to be separated and stored.

Either way, pre- or post-, the final step in dealing with carbon is “sequestration”—doing something with the carbon dioxide that has been isolated at such cost and effort, so it doesn’t just escape into the air. … All larger-scale, longer-term proposals for storing carbon involve injecting it deep underground, into porous rock that will trap it indefinitely. In the right geological circumstances, the captured carbon dioxide can even be used for “enhanced oil recovery,” forcing oil out of the porous rock into which it is introduced and up into wells.

According to Fallows, China is in the lead on this clean coal technology, with help from American and other western corporations. While it is good that at least some of the Global Warming alarmists are warming up to coal as a necessary part of the solution, it would be better IMHO, if they were also more realistic about the actual dangers of climate change and the likelihood (again IMHO) that most of the warming of the past century is due to natural cycles not under human control and that we are likely already in a multi-decade period of stable temperatures, and perhaps a bit of cooling.

Yes, I think we need to do something about the unprecedented steady rise in CO2 levels, but we have to do it is a way that will not destroy our economies or force us to drastically reduce our lifestyles. One thing I agree with James Hansen about is that an across-the-board carbon tax, assessed equally against all sequestered fuels (coal, oil, natural gas) and collected at the mine, well, or port, is the best solution, far more suitable to the task than the “cap and trade” political scam, and more likely to work.

Rather than have governments pick winners (and mess up as they did with corn ethanol subsidies that raised food prices and reduced gas mileage without doing much to control CO2 emissions) I prefer to tax carbon progressively a bit more each year and let industry and other users decide for themselves how to adapt to the higher prices. Nothing stimulates action and invention like saving your own money. Nothing wastes money like government taking money from “Mr. A” and giving it to “Mr. B” for the “good of society”.

I’m working on a future posting that will propose use of gassified coal along with enhanced CO2 farming as a clean coal implementation that may make sense in a decade or so. I hope to post it next week.

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Another story in the same issue of the Atlantic is about famed physicist Freeman Dyson and The Danger of Cosmic Genius.{Click the link to read it free online.}

They write:

In the range of his genius, Freeman Dyson is heir to Einstein—a visionary who has reshaped thinking in fields from math to astrophysics to medicine, and who has conceived nuclear-propelled spaceships designed to transport human colonists to distant planets. And yet on the matter of global warming he is, as an outspoken skeptic, dead wrong: wrong on the facts, wrong on the science. How could someone as smart as Dyson be so dumb about the environment?

Does it occur to them that the CAGW warmists and alarmists may be the ones who are wrong?

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Brian H
December 30, 2010 8:48 pm

Amongst other heresies, Dyson points out that modest and inexpensive agriculture and silviculture modifications could alter CO2 output almost immediately, well beyond what gutting industrial society could achieve. But he keeps nattering about missing and low-quality data, saying no conclusions about CO2 effects are currently warranted.
Clearly, an intolerable bias in favour of scientific accuracy and perspective. Hence the long-running dissing by the congnoscienti has been necessary and deserved.

bubbagyro
December 30, 2010 8:51 pm

What say thee to this, Watt…Watt?

DirkH
December 30, 2010 8:52 pm

From Fallows’ article:
“It would be nice to know where such thresholds are so we can avoid crossing them,” Mann said. “We can’t know that. What we do know for certain is that with each fraction of a degree of warming, the probability of such potentially catastrophic outcomes goes up.” ”
Tsk tsk. I’ve been told the GCM’s work from first principles? Physical and all? Mikey, Mikey, better pack a bag, they might knock at your door in the middle of the night. Such a giveaway.

spangled drongo
December 30, 2010 8:53 pm

” more frequent droughts, like the “thousand-year drought” that has devastated Australian agriculture;”
Drought! what drought?
That was six months ago, now it’s all floods, which is what Aust does. Drought/flood. So what’s new?
Also, Australia’s progress with CCS:
http://www.energy-daily.com/reports/Australia_scraps_coal-fired_CCS_plant_999.html

Michael
December 30, 2010 9:01 pm

Snowpocolypsmageden ensnares New York City.
A new born child dies.

spangled drongo
December 30, 2010 9:03 pm

Being the end of the year I was going through the rainfall for the last year/decade/century etc and in my area these floods had similar rainfall to our record 1893 flood but it was 1 meter [40 inches] less than a similar flood in 1974.
But anyhow, HAPPY NEW YEAR to Anthony, moderators and all at this wonderful website!

Mariss
December 30, 2010 9:03 pm

“We know that the last time CO2 was sustained at this level, much of the Greenland and West Antarctic ice sheets were not there,” ???
Maybe Micheal Mann finds this confounding because he never entertained the idea CO2 concentration and global temperatures don’t have a direct positive correlation? The ice sheets are still here and are in no danger of melting anytime soon.

pat
December 30, 2010 9:08 pm

is this the moment of truth?
30 Dec: WaPo: George F. Will: China has seen the future, and it is coal
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/29/AR2010122902899.html

December 30, 2010 9:11 pm

Never did figure out the point of the article. Just the usual pointless eco-crap when it comes to energy.

LazyTeenager
December 30, 2010 9:13 pm

Ira
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It seems they finally realize that we need energy and, at least for the next decades, it will continue to be coal, burned in a cleaner way, plus natural gas.
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No Ira, this has always been the warmist position. Since for a very long time.
You are trying to give the impression that warmists are stupid. Your statement is misleading.
.

Michael
December 30, 2010 9:17 pm

We should have a, “Death by Freezing, Body Count Poll” on the side line of WUWT. People could cast a vote each winter season on the amount of people that will die from freezing to death. We could have 2 poles a year. One for each hemisphere.
This 2010-2011 winter season I would vote between 3,00 and 4,00 people dead.

LazyTeenager
December 30, 2010 9:20 pm

Ira claims
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“Pre-combustion” systems are fundamentally more efficient. In them, the coal is treated chemically to produce a flammable gas with lower carbon content than untreated coal. This means less carbon dioxide going up the smokestack to be separated and stored.
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Prove that they are more efficient.
I am skeptical because of the energy requirements of the chemical processing.
I am going to make a wild guess that the same amount of CO2 per energy unit will still go up the flue.
[Check the posting again. That paragraph was quoted from Fallows. I did not write it. However, it makes sense to me that gassifying coal underground, within the mine, will make it more like natural gas that we know emits less CO2 when burned. As I understand the process, once it is initiated, it involves injecting air and water into the coal seam. (C3{coal} + H2O{water} + O2{from air} → Coalgas which is 2H{hydrogen} + 3CO{carbon monoxide}) Ira]

Honest ABE
December 30, 2010 9:20 pm

After reading these words I can come to no other conclusion except that Mann is knowingly deceiving the public. He is well aware that CO2 does not correlate well with temperature, he knows what it is used for, and he knows why it has been sequestered out of the biosphere.
He sounds like an uneducated activist, but that isn’t the case, he is simply speaking to his audience and feeding their fears – he is a sociopath.

DirkH
December 30, 2010 9:20 pm

LazyTeenager says:
December 30, 2010 at 9:13 pm
“Ira
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It seems they finally realize that we need energy and, at least for the next decades, it will continue to be coal, burned in a cleaner way, plus natural gas.
————
No Ira, this has always been the warmist position. Since for a very long time.
You are trying to give the impression that warmists are stupid. Your statement is misleading.”
Go tell that to Hansen will ya?
[Thanks DirkH, you saved me the trouble of replying to LazyTeenager. Ira]

tokyoboy
December 30, 2010 9:23 pm

Enthalpies of combustion (MJ/kg):
Methane (natural gas) : 56
Oil (on average) : 45
Coal (on average) : 30
Ethanol : 30
Why does the AGW team abhor coal EXCLUSIVELY??

LazyTeenager
December 30, 2010 9:30 pm

Ira promotes sequestration
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I a very skeptical of sequestration. We have not seen a demonstration plant yet, even with the backing of organizations with serious amounts of money.
The scale required is huge. The tonnage of CO2 produced is more than 3 times the amount of coal consumed.
The energy cost to run the processing will itself add a significant cost in additional coal and wasted energy.

DirkH
December 30, 2010 9:41 pm

“Rather than have governments pick winners (and mess up as they did with corn ethanol subsidies that raised food prices and reduced gas mileage without doing much to control CO2 emissions) I prefer to tax carbon progressively a bit more each year and let industry and other users decide for themselves how to adapt to the higher prices.”
Ira, you will get the following problems:
-Businesses pass on the cost to consumers and are done with it.
-Consumers consume less, leading to a recession.
-Freeloader nations must be prevented, either by a supranational regulation or by extra import duties.
-Supranational regulation is the precursor of a worldwide rule by Kommissar (typically unelected; see the EU).
-Extra import duties are protectionist and lead to trade wars.
Nowhere in this scenario does innovation happen. Granted, some smart inventor might offer an emission reduction or energy efficiency improvement idea to consumers or to the industry; but that can happen without any carbon tax just as well.
Such an inventor would have slightly higher chances to market his invention with your carbon tax, as the potential savings would be greater, but the slew of problems that the carbon tax produces looks to me like a bigger disadvantage than the extra motivation for the inventor is as advantage.
Also, any carbon tax must come with draconian emission controls. Or you slap on a levie on the price of each fuel.
It’s a whole can of worms, we have a lot of fun with it in Europe, there was just a new report about another carbon emissions permits trading scam with damages in the billions.
http://notrickszone.com/2010/12/28/europol-arrests-more-than-100-in-carbon-trading-fraud/
Just saying, “uh, i’ll just tax the air” gives you more headaches than it’s worth.

TomRude
December 30, 2010 9:57 pm

Another Carbon tax addict…

Christopher Hanley
December 30, 2010 10:02 pm

“…Michael Mann told me….’more frequent droughts, like the “thousand-year drought” that has devastated Australian agriculture’.
Nonsense — pure hyperbole:
http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/climate/change/timeseries.cgi?graph=rain&area=aus&season=0112&ave_yr=15

Mariss
December 30, 2010 10:26 pm

LazyTeenager says:
December 30, 2010 at 9:13 pm
You are trying to give the impression that warmists are stupid. Your statement is misleading.”
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Of course warmists aren’t stupid, stupid people couldn’t build a thriving multi-billion dollar global warming industry. Warmists do however bank on everyone else being stupid and not see global warming as a stalking horse for implementing various social schemes in the name of man-made CO2 abatement. Maybe this is why warmists have such an unusual fervor for promoting AGW well past its expiration date.

George Turner
December 30, 2010 10:32 pm

Coal gas (aka water gas and town gas, formula CO + H2), is what we burned in appliances before the switch to natural gas. Most towns used to have a local plant that made it by spraying water onto burning coal, and I suspect that suicide by sticking your head in the oven started because the oven used to run on carbon monoxide, not natural gas).
No matter how you process it, the total energy provided by coal is coming from the coal’s carbon (with a minor amount of lighter weight hydrocarbons that are also naturally present and burn off quickly). The amount of energy liberated versus the amount of CO2 released is therefore relatively constant. You can add hydrogens (by adding water in a water-shift reaction, converting CO2 + H2O to CO and H2, but when you burn that you still end up with CO2 and H2. What you’re solving are transport and combustion problems, as gases are far easier for end user’s automatic appliances to deal with than lumps of coal would be.
And of course you can use catalysts (along with temperature and pressure) to convert coal gas into methanol, dimethyl ether, and even octane (by using a zeolite). Coal to octane is price competitive with oil when oil prices are above $60 or $70 a gallon, but it won’t be done on a large scale until investors are certain that the Saudis won’t bankrupt the entire endeavor by letting oil prices drop below that.

James Sexton
December 30, 2010 10:33 pm

So much to say, so little time. I just popped in to see watts up. Forgive me if I’m less verbose than usual. The hour is late, and there is much to do tomorrow. To the writer………NO! NO! NO! You’ve fallen for the trap that they’ve laid. Who gives a damn about coal unless it is significantly cheaper to generate electricity? How much does it cost to sequester CO2 from coal burning? Let me tell you a secret. Your average consumer doesn’t give a flying (fill in the blank) about CO2. Neither does the electorate. If they’re going to do all that BS, then we just as well put up a pinwheel in every yard. I pay too much as it is. I don’t accept an increase to satisfy some socialist lunatic that believes we are an intrusion upon nature.
They were wrong about over population. They were wrong about food being scarce. They were wrong about global cooling. They were wrong about soot. They are wrong about CO2. To acquiesce to them about coal would be disastrously costly and would allow them a modicum of legitimacy. The populous of the world doesn’t deserve it, and neither do the people advancing this latest scare de jour.
Much more to say, but I’ve gotta call it a night.
Peace.

George Turner
December 30, 2010 10:35 pm

Oops. Mods, the above “but when you burn that you still end up with CO2 and H2” should read “CO2 and H2O”. But I’m not sure anyone will notice.

December 30, 2010 10:45 pm

I do think most “warmists” are deluded and their politics drives their science. The amount of carbon in the atmosphere is such a tiny portion of the atmosphere that it has very little impact at all. Furthermore, CO2 is used by plants to grow! CO2 is actually beneficial to agriculture. What is really funny is that the biggest “polluter” on the planet is the ocean! Should we tax that? NO TAXES ON ENERGY, drill for oil, mine for coal, get natural gas, build atomic power plants, hopefully develop Boron powered energy plants and more sophisticated trash-to-treasure methodologies will be developed along with better solar and wind and other power sources. For in the USA the jobs depend on energy being produced so that costs for food and services do not escalate, thus leading to more layoffs and offshoring. We need to access our fuel sources now and as fast as we can!

December 30, 2010 10:47 pm

As I understand the process, once it is initiated, it involves injecting air and water into the coal seam. (C3{coal} + H2O{water} + O2{from air} → Coalgas which is 2H{hydrogen} + 3CO{carbon monoxide}) Ira]
isn’t energy input required to split the water molecule?
Thanks
JK
[The chemical reactions to produce coalgas can be exothermic or endothermic, the former actually generating the energy input required to continue the process, see Wikipedia for more than you want to know about this. Ira]

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