New bear species discovered: Ursus Bogus

I had been avoiding this photo issue, because well, the whole thing is stupid no matter how you look at it and it’s been been heavily covered elsewhere. But when Tim Blair coined the clever headline “Ursus Bogus“, in the Daily Telegraph, I knew I had to pass it on to American readers. WUWT readers may also recall NOAA/NCDC using photoshopped pictures of a flooded house in their big whoop-de-doo climate impacts report last year. They had to pull the report. Heh.

Blair writes:

Science magazine is deeply disturbed:

We are deeply disturbed by the recent escalation of political assaults on scientists in general and on climate scientists in particular. All citizens should understand some basic scientific facts.

To illustrate its item about scientific facts, Science chose this image of a doomed poley bear:

image
One small problem.

As James Delingpole reveals, that poley bear image is fake. It’s been photoshopped. Science subsequently admitted:

The image associated with this article was selected by the editors. We did not realize that it was not an original photograph but a collage, and it was a mistake to have used it.

As Science says: “There is always some uncertainty associated with scientific conclusions.”

=======================================

I wonder how they missed the description here at the source of the photo?

It reads:

Stock photo description

A polar bear managed to get on one of the last ice floes floating in the Arctic sea. Due to global warming the natural environment of the polar bear in the Arctic has changed a lot. The Arctic sea has much less ice than it had some years ago. (This images is a photoshop design. Polarbear, ice floe, ocean and sky are real, they were just not together in the way they are now)

So much for peer reviewed editing. Maybe next time they’ll use the penguin version.

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147 Responses to New bear species discovered: Ursus Bogus

  1. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    Small correction from us parochial convict types: Aussie Telegraph not the UK one Anthony.

    REPLY: Yeah, bungled that out of habit, fixed. -A

  2. kim says:

    AGW, forlorn on a floe of melting ironies.
    =======================

  3. Jeremy says:

    It’s interesting that the name of “Science” is associated with the use of a photoshopped picture. Very interesting.

  4. Steve in SC says:

    Well, considering the ethics and honesty of the source, it is certainly in character.

  5. James Beatty says:

    Anthony:
    Even if the “Poms” wish to claim Tim Blair as their own, he remains an Australian journo (and AGW skeptic) writing for the Sydney “Daily Telegraph”
    -and we are proud of him!

  6. DirkH says:

    Fake is the new Science.
    Should we call the climate “scientists” “fakists” now?

  7. Michael Ronayne says:

    If you like the background it is also available with one penguin:
    http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/3726704/2/istockphoto_3726704-the-last-emperor.jpg

    Or three penguins:
    http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/6262600/2/istockphoto_6262600-global-warming.jpg

    Please note the touching titles on the photographs. The lunatic left now has an industry devoted to fabricating fake evidence of global warming. Our stolen tax dollars at work!

    Michael Ronayne
    Nutley, NJ

  8. Alan Simpson says:

    James Beatty says:
    May 12, 2010 at 3:27 pm
    Anthony:
    Even if the “Poms” wish to claim Tim Blair as their own, he remains an Australian journo (and AGW skeptic) writing for the Sydney “Daily Telegraph”
    -and we are proud of him!

    Oh Bugger! Why can’t we have him?

    Tchoh! You colonials are so selfish. :-)

  9. Al Gore's Holy Hologram says:

    They’re called Science and they can’t tell that an obvious Photoshop composition is impossible in nature and doesn’t resemble any region on Earth.

  10. Zeke the Sneak says:

    So did they ask Paul Nicklen/National Geographic/Getty Images if that one was a “collage”?!

    Or did they leave that up to the unavoidable uncertainties of Science, and of National Geographic’s conclusions?

  11. Bob Tisdale says:

    Ursus Bogus????? Thanks, Anthony. I enjoyed that.

  12. DirkH says:

    For some reason the penguin version doesn’t have a reflected image of the penguin in the water. Must be a vampire penguin.

  13. meemoe_uk says:

    hi guys, so far I’ve had no response to the emails I sent to cryo and nansen asking for their sea ice data in text (date – quantity) format.
    Can the WUWT community help me get the data if we need to resort to FOIA?
    I’m a uk national, and I think to FOI request data from cryo, you need to be a US citizen. Same with nansen – you neeed to be nowegian?

    here’s the email I sent nansen

    ***

    Wed, 5 May, 2010 0:32:26
    arctic sea-ice data request

    From:
    James Grist [Chat now]

    Add to Contacts
    To: stein.sandven@nersc.no
    Hi, I’ve been looking for time seriesdata for arctic sea ice extent and
    area in numeric form. Ideally it would be in a simular form to the jaxa
    sea-ice data here.
    http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/plot.csv
    i.e. Date and a value for the ice area on that date.

    I looked for the data on your website but in was in graphical form, with some of the data abstracted as an average.
    http://arctic-roos.org/observations/satellite-data/sea-ice/ice-area-and-extent-in-arctic

    My use for the data is purely as a hobby, spured by the mass-media focus
    arctic sea ice.

    Can you make available to me the numeric data in (
    date – quantity ) format from 1978 to present on arctic sea-ice extent and
    area please?

    ***

    Other issues :
    – I think they might block the request on the grounds that ( date – quantity ) is not raw data, it’s an ( their ) interpretation of the satelitte data. Are they allowed to block on these grounds?
    – it’s only been a week since I sent. Maybe they are busy.

  14. Mike D. says:

    What next? Save the zebronkey?

    Elephino.

  15. D Caldwell says:

    “We are deeply disturbed by the recent escalation of political assaults on scientists in general and on climate scientists in particular.”

    An entirely self-imposed wound.

  16. Eric (skeptic) says:

    “Collage” is a scientific term meaning that the polar bear was overlaid onto the ice photo so we can see the relative size of the remaining ice pack. This is very similar to the way the instrument record is shown bright red on top of the proxy “record” for comparison purposes.

  17. jakers says:

    Ha! Well that certainly puts the nail in it. Now, Roy Spencer otoh…

  18. Sam Hall says:

    Even if that picture was true, the bear is not in trouble since they can swim for hours.

  19. ZT says:

    If only Phil had thought to say that his most famous graph was actually ‘a collage’.

  20. Glenn says:

    The picture has been replaced by one taken in the Hudson Strait, a passage to Hudson Bay which is ice free every summer, the ice being from a glacier. Science neglects to reveal this however, despite the embarrassment of the first picture. The cheap tricks continue. They deserve to be assaulted, and the signers should be ashamed to be part of it.

    “Mother bear and two-year-old cub drift on glacier ice. Hudson Strait, Nunavut, Canada.”
    http://www.pdnphotooftheday.com/2009/11/2673

    One picture there appears to show the Arctic Ice has turned into solid ground.

  21. wayne says:

    Science magazine says:

    We are deeply disturbed by the recent escalation of political assaults on scientists in general and on climate scientists in particular. All citizens should understand some basic scientific facts.

    Oh Science magazine, I for one very clearly understand your “scientific facts” (and your subtle lies).

    Got caught, didn’t you.

  22. Layne Blanchard says:

    Maybe we can suggest they put the Bear AND the Penguin on the ice floe. That would be especially heartbreaking. … and realistic….

  23. Russ Hatch says:

    I’ve heard of a cross between a Grizzly and a Polar bear before. Is Ursus Bogus a cross between a Polar bear and a Teddy bear?

  24. HR says:

    It’s good to see you’re not getting involved in this nonsense. Oh wait!

  25. Stu says:

    I had a nice altered version of that, after seeing the penguin one in another post. I got rid of the bear and put Al Gore on the float instead, cleaned away the stock photo watermark… it looked pretty good! (I hesitated and then decided to not post it here, due to the copyright issue)

  26. John Silver says:

    The penguin version is even more stupid.
    (Antarctica is land, not sea)

  27. Jimbo says:

    Should you not have said;

    “To illustrate its item about scientific facts, Science chose this image from science fiction

  28. Socratease says:

    Maybe somebody can PhotoShop a picture of Professor Jones standing on an ice flow, looking forlorn as his funding melts away.

  29. Mindbuilder says:

    It’s been more than six months since climate gate broke and there doesn’t yet seem to be a definitive study debunking CAGW. Is that not enough time? I’ve seen lots of little incriminating things here on WUWT, but there doesn’t seem to be a devastating and solid study finally exposing where the errors lie. The closest I’ve seen to that was a few months ago when someone looked at the thermometer temperatures and found a serious divergence. But oddly the divergence seemed to only begin in the sixties. The result seemed dubious and maybe it was, because nobody seems to be talking about that study anymore. I’m surprised Anthony doesn’t have a summary of the important evidence somewhere on his site. Wikipedia is nearly worthless for learning the skeptic side of the story.

    The thing I’m surprised about most is the widespread support of the hide the decline method. It seems like blatantly bad science, but I’ve seen no repudiation of it by major scientific societies. It’s hard to believe they’re all without honest scientists. Or am I missing something? They seem to have two defenses. One is that other studies like those on sediments have given similar results. But this seems to be like saying “Yea, our methods were fraudulent, but our friends who desperately want the medieval warm period to go away and have been defending our fraudulent methods, are getting similar results, so it’s ok that we used fraudulent methods.” They’ve also claimed that only some tree rings show a divergence. But it seems like you would need an awfully powerful incentive to include data in your calculations that would dramatically undermine the credibility of your study. If they actually had tree ring data without divergence, that could give similar results but without the problems, then why would they include data from the trees that give false temperatures?

  30. latitude says:

    Either that emperor penguin is at the north pole…
    …or the polar bear is at the south pole

    Either way, that piece of ice was at the south pole, which has even more ice…

    I love hollywood!

  31. bob says:

    Funny thing is, the real picture is of a larger ice floe with 2 bears.

    Not much of a difference.

    Not much of interest here.

  32. kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:

    Daddy, why are the ripples going right through the ice?

    That’s rotten Arctic ice, darling. Nearly everything goes right through it, some people say it’s not even really there. About the only thing it does support is funding for those Caitlin explorers.

  33. brc says:

    It’s funny, because you don’t have to photoshop up a picture of people snowed into their houses in May, but you do you to photoshop up a picture of a Polar bear on a melting ice floe.

    What does that say about the state of the evidence?

    And doesn’t anyone realise the Polar Bears are powerful and skilled swimmers?

  34. Mike Lorrey says:

    Virtual polar bears have rights to, ya know!

  35. Craig Moore says:

    Maybe it’s one of those global warming grolar pizzly bears.

  36. Amino Acids in Meteorites says:

    “I wonder how they missed the description here at the source of the photo?”

    Because they’re crack investigative journalists.

    They’ve missed the point of what was written in ClimateGate emails. They’ve missed all the errors in Al Gore’s movie. They can’t understand that the IPCC reports are framed by politicians and not scientists. They can’t see all the corrupt money in global warming. They’ve never stopped to ask why Al Gore would buy property on the ocean, or why he flies to all of his speaking engagements on a Gulf Stream jet rather than just doing a web cast from where he lives. They call superlative scientists like Richard Lindzen, William Happer, Freeman Dyson, Antonino Zichichi, and Roy Spencer “deniers”.

    I mean ya, how could they have missed it was a faked photo?

  37. Jeff L says:

    It says a lot about your cause when you can’t use a real photo but have to use a photoshopped version to make a point….. like your cause has no basis in reality.

  38. old construction worker says:

    Another AGW OPPS moment. They kept getting their hand caught in the “Cooking Jar”.

  39. Bulldust says:

    REPLY: Yeah, bungled that out of habit, fixed. -A

    oh oh… does that mean you are actually touring the UK and not Australia? ;)

  40. J.Hansford says:

    The Icon of CAGW “science” …. The photoshopped polar bear on a photoshopped ice flow, drifting upon a photoshopped sea.

    It’s sorta like poetry really:-)

  41. David Corcoran says:

    Someone needs to create a version of the photo with Al Gore looking forlornly out to sea.

  42. Gregg Eshelman says:

    Can the original source images be found? Would be nice to have an extra dose of proof to use on anyone who still claims that’s a genuine image.

  43. Paul Daniel Ash says:

    tooooooooooooooootally scientific picture, by way of comparison:

    http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/current_state_climate_knowledge.jpg

    Matthew 7:3, yo.

  44. MarcH says:

    But remember you heard it first on WUWT!

  45. Jim Greig says:

    Is there any part of the ‘science’ that the AGW folks haven’t forged, faked or cherrypicked? If they can’t even find something as simple as an actual photograph, it’s no wonder they can’t find any actual data to support their positions.

  46. KBK says:

    Heh, it took a WUWT post to get their attention. They’ve replaced the image, with a very weak correction about a “collage” being used. Collages look like collages, photoshops look like photographs.

    Then there is the matter of their claims about AGW “science” and persecution thereof. Their scientific claims are counterfactual, and the rest is opinion. The credentials of this small minority of the NAS are most underwhelming. Awaiting the Bishop’s arrival :-)

  47. Ric Werme says:

    istockphoto says Polarbear, ice floe, ocean and sky are real

    I wouldn’t be too sure about the ocean, especially the waves. The related penguin photo at http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-6262600-global-warming.php has different fake waves. The original fake waves are in http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-4129666-the-last-emperor.php

    I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall for some of the discussions about what to do with unscientific (and fake!) photo.

    Ah well, we should be “keenly focused on the central points of the” letter. :-)

  48. Alex Buddery says:

    Holy carp, that’s one gigantic penguin, did it eat the polar bear?

  49. DesertYote says:

    What is really amusing about all this is that these images never go away. Check this out:

    http://climate.nasa.gov/kids/bigQuestions/climateChanging/

    That old photoshoped propaganda piece is still being used by NASA to brainwash our kiddies, even after it has been exposed as a fraud. Of course everyone is careful to not mention that Polar Bears have no difficulty swimming hundreds of miles! They used to be considered an aquatic mammal, but that was before the discovery of their utility for use in propaganda!

  50. Ric Werme says:

    Paul Daniel Ash says:
    May 12, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    Oh, I thought you were linking to the PB & penguin “photo” at http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/09/the-precarious-state-of-the-u-s-polar-bear-population/

  51. Joel Shore says:

    Well, if we are going to get so upset about this sort of thing (which I personally don’t really think we should), then Roy Spencer should get the same sort of flack from WUWT for the picture on the front cover of his latest book: http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/05/roy_spencers_great_photoshop_b.php

  52. Fitzy says:

    So the dog chases its tail once again.

    First – Criticise skeptics for criticising climate science.

    Second – Offer a purely emotive image, completely synthetic but sympathetic to the consenus view.

    Third – appologise when caught producing spin, (baffled anyone would doubt your authority, cos yer hearts in the right place.)

    Fourth – Return to criticising sceptics for criticising Climate scientists in the next issue.

    Subscribe now for a free copy of ADOBE PHOTOSHOP ELEMENTS…..

  53. Wally the Walrus says:

    If you follow the link to Science, you will see that the photo has now been changed.

    To another photo of bears on a lump of ice.

  54. Tesla_X says:

    I’m personally looking forward to a Global Warming study penned by the Legendary Italian Scientist Stronzo Bestial…

  55. Paul Daniel Ash says:

    Nope. Why is one illustration terrible and the other merely… illustrative?

    Was Willis trying to define the real quantity of “unknown unknowns?” Were the Science letter writers talking about polar bears?

  56. Pat Frank says:

    The source image linked in the post also has an impossible-to-miss copyright water mark. Whoever bought that image could not have missed that. So, we know not only that Science magazine was professionally negligent, but that whoever chose that picture was intentionally lying.

    We can suppose that the letter published by Science did not include the picture. Here’s the full text of the acknowledgment of error by Science, complete with citation:

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Science 7 May 2010:
    “Vol. 328. no. 5979, pp. 689 – 690
    “DOI: 10.1126/science.328.5979.689

    “Climate Change and the Integrity of Science
    “P. H. Gleick et al.

    “Correction

    “Due to an editorial error, the original image associated with this Letter was not a photograph but a collage. The image was selected by the editors, and it was a mistake to have used it. The original image has been replaced in the online HTML and PDF versions of the article with an unaltered photograph from National Geographic.

    “The original image published in error can be seen here (credit: iStockphoto.com).”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    An “editorial error,” indeed. Science is very kind to itself. It is impossible that the editor who chose that picture didn’t know it was a composite image. We know that editor consciously composed a lie. Whether others on the editorial staff knew of the lie remains unknown outside of the editorial office of Science Magazine.

    Composing and publishing a deliberate and factual lie in a magazine devoted to science ought to be a firing offense. The fact that Science has chosen to excuse itself, twice passing off a deliberate lie as an “error,” shows how far this magazine has descended into corruption.

    The fact that Science has compounded its original lie with a second and self-exculpatory lie, all under the banner of “Climate Change and the Integrity of Science” (bolding added), is a bitter irony not to be overlooked.

  57. Alex Buddery says:

    RE: Gregg Eshelman says:
    May 12, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    If you want an extra source of ‘proof” for anyone I suggest you simply use the linked photo of the penguine on the same ice sheet. Though someone could always claim that it’s just an undiscrovered species of giant penguin or that the penguin just looks big because it has just eaten a polar bear that was sitting on the block of ice just moments ago or that it’s a skeptic in a penguin suit who posed on the block of ice after the polar bear to make it look like the scale was wrong.

  58. jorgekafkazar says:

    According to Answers.com: “Collage, n. An artistic composition of materials and objects pasted over a surface, often with unifying lines and color.” A collage has zero intent to deceive, unlike many photoshopped pictures. Science has descended further and further into the abyss of nonsense. Haven’t they ever heard the first law of holes? “When you are in a hole, stop digging.”

  59. ROM says:

    Quite subtle there, Anthony.
    A Penguin on an ice floe in supposedly the Arctic and nobody seems to have raised a hue and cry about it!
    I am waiting for the day that one of those “Science” publications use a “Penguin” photo to illustrate another ice catastrophe in the Arctic.
    With the level of ignorance repeatedly displayed by a couple of the “elite” science and “environmental” publications on our global geology, land mass distribution and species distribution, it is almost a given that some time soon a penguin will be used to illustrate another catastrophic, climate related disaster in the Arctic or a perhaps a photo of a polar bear on a disastrous climate change caused ice shelf breakup in the Antarctic.

  60. sagi says:

    It’s hard to bear this discussion. Really hard.

    And sorry ’bout that ….it depends whose ox is being Gored, I think Or is it simply bull?

    I cannot help myself and will probably push the send button in spite of my better judgement.

    What nonsense, passing as science, is being fed to us!

  61. morgo says:

    if you look very closely you can sea a outboard motor on the back towing a ski bear

  62. Phil. says:

    meemoe_uk says:
    May 12, 2010 at 3:59 pm
    hi guys, so far I’ve had no response to the emails I sent to cryo and nansen asking for their sea ice data in text (date – quantity) format.
    Can the WUWT community help me get the data if we need to resort to FOIA?
    I’m a uk national, and I think to FOI request data from cryo, you need to be a US citizen.

    The data’s available on their website:
    Extent: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/SEAICE/timeseries.1870-2008
    Area: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/timeseries.anom.1979-2008

  63. DesertYote says:

    I tried to post this earlier but it never showed up. Here is NASA again targeting our kids with lies:

    http://climate.nasa.gov/kids/bigQuestions/climateChanging/

    Seems they are still using this old photoshopped image even after it has been exposed as a fraud.

  64. r says:

    But seeing is believing…

    And first impression count more than anything else…

  65. Steve Sloan says:

    While I have totally enjoyed referring to Al Gore as the “Goracle”, I am set back on my heels thinking “Ursus Bogus” may be a better name for him!

    It is a bit more obscure but considering his waste line, his ego, his real eatate ownership, it may be a better “handle”.

    Wait, I think I have it!

    From now on Al is: The Goracle/Ursus Bogus! NOW WE ARE TALKING PERFECTION!

  66. Pat Frank says:

    Adding to my comment above, the editorial behavior of Science, including partisan editorials indulging “denialist” slurs, lying to heap discredit on AGW critical scientists, and possibly partisan rejection of AGW critical climate manuscripts, can be legitimately described as making a “political assault” on honest scientists.

    Science magazine, in other words, is very likely guilty of the very charge made in the “Climate Change and the Integrity of Science” letter.

    Adding: this comment in the letter, “climate change deniers are typically driven by special interests or dogma, not by an honest effort to provide an alternative theory that credibly satisfies the evidence.” is a slander, followed by a lie, followed by a straw man.

    Those skeptical of the science supporting AGW are very obviously neither arguing nor denying “climate change” — nor global climate warming, for that matter — nor are they driven by special interests or dogma. They are not “deniers.” The strongest critics of the science underlying AGW, people such as Steve McIntyre, Chris Essex, Ross McKitrick, Roy Spencer, Pat Michaels, Richard Lindzen, John Christy, and many others, have made their strongest criticisms in the peer-reviewed literature. The letter authors must certainly know this.

    The straw man argument is asserting the need to provide an alternative theory in order to level a legitimate objection to current theory. This imposes a false limit on the bounds of science. It is entirely legitimate to criticize a theory as inadequate. It is a strict scientific necessity to show when arguments made in light of that theory are cavalier with uncertainty. The science underlying AGW has been shown severely wanting in both these regards.

    The fact that the authors have ignored this demonstration in their letter is silent testimony to their own dogmatic blindness.

    REPLY – Well said. ~ Evan
    [Concur ~dbs]

  67. Gary says:

    Anthony, how about a contest for the best photoshopped AWG image? Why should the warmists have all the fun?

  68. Dave Wendt says:

    Joel Shore says:
    May 12, 2010 at 6:08 pm
    Well, if we are going to get so upset about this sort of thing (which I personally don’t really think we should), then Roy Spencer should get the same sort of flack from WUWT for the picture on the front cover of his latest book: http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/05/roy_spencers_great_photoshop_b.php

    Exactly how complete of an idiot does one have to be to look at the “picture” on the cover of Dr. Spencer’s book and assume he is looking at a photograph?

  69. Pamela Gray says:

    The stock photo’s owner is wonderfully honest. He created it because “it sells”. Out of the mouths of innocence.

  70. Dave Wendt says:

    Paul Daniel Ash says:
    May 12, 2010 at 6:26 pm
    Nope. Why is one illustration terrible and the other merely… illustrative?

    Was Willis trying to define the real quantity of “unknown unknowns?” Were the Science letter writers talking about polar bears?

    Willis clearly implied that the graph was an attempt to illustrate how he himself viewed the present state of “climate science”, as indicated by this sentence which immediately precedes the graph in his post

    “Despite the “very likely” certainty of the IPCC, I see the current level of our knowledge of the Earth’s climate a bit differently, as shown in Figure 1:”

    The people at Science clearly meant the photoshopped bear to imply something real about the global climate, even if they never explicitly stated such an intent. If you can’t see or understand the difference it’s little wonder you’ve been so obviously susceptible to AGW propaganda in the past as well as currently.

  71. Alan Wilkinson says:

    “We are deeply disturbed by the recent escalation of political assaults on scientists in general and on climate scientists in particular. All citizens should understand some basic scientific facts.”

    Wrong. Citizens shouldn’t need to understand basic scientific facts. (Which is nonscience to start with. You don’t understand facts, you know, don’t know, accept or doubt them.) But they should be able to rely on major scientific journals publishing accurate science instead of pseudo-political propaganda. Clearly they can’t. “Science” and “Nature” are a disgrace to science and a disservice to humanity.

  72. Steve Keohane says:

    In honor of Henry Waxman’s statement:
    We’re seeing the reality of a lot of the North Pole starting to evaporate, and we could get to a tipping point. Because if it evaporates to a certain point – they have lanes now where ships can go that couldn’t ever sail through before. And if it gets to a point where it evaporates too much, there’s a lot of tundra that’s being held down by that ice cap..
    I had to make this about a year ago, imagining a visit to the pole by the SSN Waxman: http://i44.tinypic.com/2062dk0.jpg

  73. James Allison says:

    Luckily for the healthily skeptical types AGW scientists can’t photoshop their climate research as effectively as iStock can photoshop their images.

  74. Glenn says:

    Joel Shore says:
    May 12, 2010 at 6:08 pm
    Well, if we are going to get so upset about this sort of thing (which I personally don’t really think we should), then Roy Spencer should get the same sort of flack from WUWT for the picture on the front cover of his latest book: http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/05/roy_spencers_great_photoshop_b.php

    Except Roy’s intent was not to deceive viewers about icebergs. It’s just an image of “the tip of the iceberg” blown out of proportion, apparently a metaphor of the book’s subject.

  75. Gillian Lord says:

    Mindbuilder wants a definitive study.
    Try “Surface Temperature Records: Policy Driven Deception” by D’Aleo and Watts, on scienceand publicpolicy.org

  76. Binny says:

    Science uses cold hard facts. Politics uses emotive imagery. Was this photo in a scientific magazine, or a political magazine, you be the judge.

  77. Craigo says:

    So is the problem that Antartic ice floes have drifted to the Arctic or is it the poor poley bear that migrated all the way south due to AGW induced range change or perhaps he was a strong swimmer despite the drowning hype? It really is worse than we thought!

  78. Bill Tuttle says:

    Joel Shore: May 12, 2010 at 6:08 pm
    Well, if we are going to get so upset about this sort of thing (which I personally don’t really think we should), then Roy Spencer should get the same sort of flack from WUWT for the picture on the front cover of his latest book: http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/05/roy_spencers_great_photoshop_b.php

    Nup. Dr. Spencer used a pic that has been well-established as Photoshop™ped, that the artist admitted was Photoshop™ped, and has been held up as an example of the great results you can get with Photoshop™ for at least a decade.

    In other words, it’s an iconic picture, readily identifiable as such by anyone whose first day on the net wasn’t yesterday…

  79. RACookPE1978 says:

    If a penguin steals a polar bear’s last gold piece, can the surviving manatee sue for species infringement?

  80. Rich Matarese says:

    Taxonomically, damnit, it should be Ursus bogus.

    Italicize, and do not capitalize the species, as in Ursus maritimus and Homo sapiens and Pan troglodytes.

    Sorry to pick nits (Pediculus humanus, subspecies capitis), but considering the price I paid for an undergraduate degree in Biology all those decades ago, I am – goddamn it – going to insist on getting some use.

  81. D. Patterson says:

    We are deeply disturbed by the recent escalation of political assaults on scientists in general and on climate scientists in particular. All citizens should understand some basic scientific facts.

    Yes. We are deeply disturbed by the recent escalation of political assaults on scientists in general and on competent climate scientists in particular who dare to refute the AGW hoax with scientific evidence you choose to ignore, deny, and decry. All citizens should understand some basic scientific facts, including the scientific impossibilities and improbabilities associated with the AGW frauds and scaremongering. The publishers of Science can make a positive contribution to the de-escalation of the political assaults on scientists by prominently acknowledging and condemning the misrepresentation and fraudulent usage of the polar bear image to convey a false impression.

  82. oxonmoron says:

    Joel Shore says:
    May 12, 2010 at 6:08 pm
    Well, if we are going to get so upset about this sort of thing (which I personally don’t really think we should), then Roy Spencer should get the same sort of flack from WUWT for the picture on the front cover of his latest book:

    Actually his picture is referred to as “Cover Art – copyright – Ralph A. Clevenger/Corbis”.
    Art isn’t science or is it? BTW Roy’s book is very good.

  83. Geir in Norway says:

    Taxonomically, it should be Ursus dolus.

    When I was young and walked to school in North Norway, we had to fight ice bears the whole time.

  84. Josualdo says:

    Glenn says:
    May 12, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    The picture has been replaced by one taken in the Hudson Strait, a passage to Hudson Bay which is ice free every summer, the ice being from a glacier. Science neglects to reveal this however, despite the embarrassment of the first picture.

    They can’t get one right, can they? Science indeed.

  85. Josualdo says:

    Socratease says:
    May 12, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    Maybe somebody can PhotoShop a picture of Professor Jones standing on an ice flow, looking forlorn as his funding melts away.

    Oh, cool! I’d like that. With a polar bear and a penguin. maybe the Photoshop guy, whatsisname … Jan Will, wouldn’t mind doing that. I’d chip in.

  86. Josualdo says:

    J.Hansford says:
    May 12, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    The Icon of CAGW “science” …. The photoshopped polar bear on a photoshopped ice flow, drifting upon a photoshopped sea.

    It’s sorta like poetry really:-)

    Yeap, CAGW – it’s all done with computers.

  87. Larry Fields says:

    Speaking of the devil, there’s a new black bear subspecies evolving in California’s Yosemite National Park. Ursus garbagiensis is totally incapable of surviving in the wild. UG gets all of its food from upending garbage cans, from breaking into cars that have junk food inside, and from Japanese tourists who can’t read the Do-not-feed-the-bears signs. :-)

  88. meemoe_uk says:

    Phil,
    The data’s available on their website:
    Area: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/timeseries.anom.1979-2008

    How did you find that!? I searched all over their website. That’s a doubly useful txt data file, cos I think it has area and extent. Thanks!

    Extent: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/SEAICE/timeseries.1870-2008
    This is just 5 data points per years so not what I’m looking for. No prob, since I got everything I need from the 1st link.
    thanks again.

    Anyone do the same for nansen-norsec?

  89. Josualdo says:

    Pamela Gray says:
    May 12, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    The stock photo’s owner is wonderfully honest. He created it because “it sells”. Out of the mouths of innocence.

    Precisely. And he keeps creating them for the same reason, although I suppose that he’s also having lots of fun doing them :-) Well, I would.

    It’s not wrong to make photoshop designs like that provided you don’t attempt to sell them as truth. The artist states clearly that it’s made-up.

    Science mag doesn’t say so, and that is the dishonesty (or sloppiness). Using “artists impressions” is not wrong either , but they must be labeled as such.

  90. nednead says:

    so surprising to see how much time is wasted with a photograph. Why not spend time discussing the science? I’m sure there is a new science paper out there someplace that is worth discussing and not some silly picture…

  91. DirkH says:

    More evidence for Global Warming for interesting articles in Science, frightening, i tell you:

    Flooding: (the usual, skyscrapers in the water)
    http://fxb.worth1000.com/entries/534966/global-warming

    Dried up ocean with some nice flames on the horizon:
    http://fxb.worth1000.com/entries/509131/global-warming

    City on the ground of the sea, now that’s some serious sea level rise:
    http://www.worth1000.com/entries/449961/acqua

  92. Josualdo says:

    All citizens should understand some basic scientific facts.

    Like, conjectures that fail almost all their previsions belong in the wastepaper basket. (The “almost” is there just out of kindness).

  93. P. Berkin says:

    Re it’s a bit like poetry…it’s very much like poetry:

    “As idle as a painted ship: Upon a painted ocean…”

    is a line from The Rime of The Ancient Mariner by Samuel Taylor Coleridge

  94. kwik says:

    Ursus Fraudilus
    Ursus Mannus
    Ursus Hockeyschtickus
    Ursus Photoshoppus
    Ursus Trickus

  95. Jack Simmons says:

    Is Science inhabited by Homo sapiens bogus?

  96. D. Patterson says:

    nednead says:
    May 13, 2010 at 2:24 am
    so surprising to see how much time is wasted with a photograph. Why not spend time discussing the science? I’m sure there is a new science paper out there someplace that is worth discussing and not some silly picture…

    The hoaxers are acting upon the belief that a picture is worth a thousand words and perhaps ten thousand scientific articles when it comes to marketing the hoax to gain public support and denying media access to peer reviewed publications and legislators.

  97. Bill Tuttle says:

    nednead: May 13, 2010 at 2:24 am
    so surprising to see how much time is wasted with a photograph. Why not spend time discussing the science?

    Too late. The involved in Photoshop™ping is already settled, and it’s very robust, too…

  98. Bill Tuttle says:

    “The science involved…”

    snip-snippetty-snipping touchy touchpad…

  99. Ziiex Zeburz says:

    Slightly off topic,
    Polar Bear , Ursus Maritimus
    population plus minus 25,000
    life expectancy (male ) up to 40 years
    size (male) up to 2,60 meters tall, up to 800kg,
    evolved 200,000 – 500,000 years ago from grizzle bears
    speed on ice plus minus 20 mph
    can remain submerged for over a minute
    can swim without rest for over 100km
    for more on this killing machine ( not at all cuddly ):
    http://pbsg.npdar.no/en/faq.html

  100. DirkH says:

    “Joel Shore says:
    May 12, 2010 at 6:08 pm
    Well, if we are going to get so upset about this sort of thing (which I personally don’t really think we should), then Roy Spencer should get the same sort of flack from WUWT for the picture on the front cover of his latest book: http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/05/roy_spencers_great_photoshop_b.php

    Uh, Spencer didn’t hire a nuclear submarine with some kind of crazy magic military secret supercamera to photograph a real glacier floating in the water and illuminate it from the underside somehow? It’s all a trick? I’m so disappointed…

  101. Mike M says:

    Of all these members of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences who signed the letter, how many are employed by or receive funds from government? All of their names are there and if anything ought to be endangered it is the practice of paying them to justify their continued employment on my and your dime.

    Is there any solid science out there that has actually determined the perfect conditions for polar bears? We know that most all will likely die if no ice melts at all and then there’s no place for seals to surface or for polar bears to enter the water. We also know that if all the ice melts many stand a good chance on shore because their food is in the water and they are such good swimmers. So what is the perfect ‘in-between’ environment for them? Has anyone attempted to answer that question?

  102. maz2 says:

    BanUN Bogus.
    …-

    “Ban urges Canada to put environment on G20 agenda The Associated Press”
    …-

    “U.N. head Ban Ki-Moon refusing orders from internal personnel court

    U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has refused to comply with numerous orders from a new U.N. personnel tribunal to hand over confidential documents and other sensitive information needed to resolve legal claims by U.N. employees of unfair treatment, according to court documents.

    The dispute has set the stage for a power struggle between the secretary general, who is seeking to fend off court challenges to the authority of his office, and the dispute tribunal’s judges, who argue that claimants can’t prove they have been wronged without access to internal documents or confidential witnesses.

    Ban’s lawyer, Susan Maddox, on Friday refused another of several orders to turn over notes from a U.N. ethics probe involving an American whistleblower. The American, James Wasserstrom, was forced from a top U.N. job in Kosovo three years ago after cooperating with an internal corruption investigation.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/12/AR2010051204868.html

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/mt/mt-comments.cgi

  103. Ric Werme says:

    Rich Matarese says:
    May 12, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    Taxonomically, damnit, it should be Ursus bogus.

    … considering the price I paid for an undergraduate degree in Biology all those decades ago, I am – goddamn it – going to insist on getting some use.

    Well, in that case, I will make the motion to this international board of Watts Pickers that we henceforth call it Ursus bogus mataresi. Did I get that right? Lower case surname, -i on the end to make it look kinda, sorta Latinish.

    Note also, that the photo was called “The Last Polar Bear”, so we can retitle it as “The Ultimate Polar Bear.” Take good care of it – there won’t be any more!

  104. simon says:

    Please, it’s not “photo-shopped”. It’s post-normalised.

  105. Jackie says:

    Science magazine:

    “We did not realize that it was not an original photograph”

    Priceless. ROFLMAO.

    I bet they think the image of Mann’s hockey stick graph is real too. In the name of science, please do not send Science magazine your images of tooth fairies and unicorns, thhat would destroy them.

  106. Smokey says:

    maz2,

    That WaPo article was well worth reading, thanx for posting.

    UN head Ban Ki-Moon is as corrupt as Mugabe, as this article shows. Since when do UN “police” have the authority to break into someone’s home?

    The fact that this story is being reported by a major mainstream liberal newspaper indicates that UN corruption has become too pervasive to ignore.

  107. PaulH says:

    I guess a requirement to call yourself a “climate science” is a knowledge of Photoshop. ;->

  108. PaulH says:

    My Eset virus scanner is reporting a virus from this page called “HTML/ScrInject.B.Gen” originating from www(dot)hamsql(dot)com/solar2.php

    It might be a false positive, but I’ll submit it to Eset.

  109. Indiana Bones says:

    New title for Ursus Bogus photo: “The unbearable lightbox of being.”

  110. Enneagram says:

    That Ursus is going rogue…

  111. Enneagram says:

    Jack Simmons says:
    May 13, 2010 at 3:15 am
    Is Science inhabited by Homo sapiens bogus?

    No, pseudo science is inhabited by anthropopithecus phrenocriptorchidiuses

  112. Gregg Eshelman says:
    May 12, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    Can the original source images be found? Would be nice to have an extra dose of proof to use on anyone who still claims that’s a genuine image.

    One is tempted to point to this image, but on the other hand….

  113. Alexander says:

    ‘Collage’ comes from the French ‘to glue’ and no way is a Photoshop image ‘glued’ together from physically cut or torn picures as in an actual collage. The invention of the technique as an artistic mode of expression is credited to a joint effort by Picaso and Georges Braque, who spent some time sharing a studio and decided to try the technique ‘for fun’. They eventually decided they were on to something they could market as ‘fine art’, then divided up their accumulated efforts into roughly half each then signed them before hitting the Art market.
    It seems that the AGW movement is monstrously ignorant about just about everything it sticks its clumsy fingers into. The actual Photoshop process is a product of modern digital imaging and is a product of the ongoing march of real applied science.
    Slightly OT, but the BBC website currently carries an article about the mass extinction of all kinds of creatures due to global warming then the writer coyly segues into the area of ‘too many humans’. Sadly, the brand new UK coalition government is loudly Warmist and has already appointed a senior Minister of Environment & Climate Change.

  114. Northern Exposure says:

    Yeah but that poley bear just looks so darned cute and fuzzy all by his lonesome on that chunk of ice…. 3 inch razor sharp claws and all.

    Photoshop schmotoshop. I think he needs a big hug anyways… I nominate James Hansen to be the first one to give him big ol’ lovey huggyboo kisses.

  115. Agree with Josualdo. It is the outlets like Science which create the demand for alarming-looking pictures and artwork in the first place. The photographer’s reply is very revealing indeed.

  116. Bill Tuttle says:

    Mike M: May 13, 2010 at 4:47 am
    We know that most all will likely die if no ice melts at all and then there’s no place for seals to surface or for polar bears to enter the water.

    Not to worry. The ice cap isn’t a continuous, unbroken sheet. If a seal isn’t around open water (a lead caused by wind or currents shifting the ice) or a natural hole (a polynya), it will gnaw several breathing holes in the ice at some distance apart and keep them open by re-visiting them at random. The breathing holes are what a polar bear looks for and where it waits to ambush the seal.

  117. Milwaukee Bob says:

    You know, when something out of the blue just strikes you so funny, you just can’t stop laughing…..

    “There is always some uncertainty associated with scientific conclusions.” “Polarbear, ice floe, ocean and sky are real, they were just not together in the way they are now.”

    ……Ursus Bogus! ………. Stop! ….. I can’t take it….. side hurting………

    …………. I can’t typ

  118. Mark Bowlin says:

    Arctic, Antarctic, wherever it is, maybe they should send those assaulted scientists there for some R&R…it’s obvious the penguins are thriving. That one’s as big as a damn bear.

  119. Mindbuilder:

    From a scientific perspective, CAGW has been debunked.

    The sciences are prone to so-called “foundational errors.” When such an error is discovered in a science, this science is invalidated; to elminate the invalidation, it must be rebuilt on a solid foundation. CAGW science contains foundational errors but the science has not been rebuilt to correct them. Currently, therefore, this “science” is a pseudo-science.

    There are at least the following 3 foundational errors:

    * The IPCC climate models are not falsifiable, thus lying outside science ( http://icecap.us/images/uploads/SPINNING_THE_CLIMATE08.pdf ),
    * It would be easy to modify the IPCC climate models for falsifiability. If this were to be done, these models would be falsified if given sufficient testing.
    * The atmospheric CO2 greenshouse effects are falsified ( http://arxiv.org/abs/0707.1161v4 ).

    The second of the three bulleted items follows from the fact that once made falsifiable, the models would predict the outcomes of statistical events deterministically, that is, with probability values of 0 or 1. This would amount to the assertion that information was not missing about the outcomes. As information would surely be missing, this assertion would be false. The falsity of the assertion would be discovered upon sufficient testing.

  120. Smokey says:

    Terry Oldberg,

    There is also Godel’s Incompleteness Theorem, which posits that if something is not testable, it isn’t science.

  121. DirkH says:

    “Smokey says:
    May 13, 2010 at 10:19 am
    Terry Oldberg,

    There is also Godel’s Incompleteness Theorem, which posits that if something is not testable, it isn’t science.”

    That wouldn’t be Gödel then…
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incompleteness_theorem

    Smokey, i think you had Popper in mind.

  122. Smokey says:

    Godel and Popper.

    Godel’s Theorem doesn’t just apply to mathematics, it applies to logic, including models. Popper was Godel’s contemporary, and they influenced each other. Falsification can result from testability. But if something is not testable, it isn’t science.

  123. DirkH says:

    “Smokey says:
    May 13, 2010 at 10:45 am
    Godel and Popper.

    Godel’s Theorem doesn’t just apply to mathematics, it applies to logic, including models. Popper was Godel’s contemporary, and they influenced each other.”

    Well, but it doesn’t say “if something is not testable, it isn’t science.”. It says that no axiomatic system can be complete in itself. You’re of course right in pointing out (via your link) that Gödel’s theorem was the major cause for the big crisis (or maybe even the end) of logical positivism.

  124. DirkH says:

    “Smokey says:
    May 13, 2010 at 10:45 am
    Godel and Popper.[...]”

    And thanks for the link to the Popper text, this excerpt is great: “Once your eyes were thus opened [by pseudoscientific theory X] you saw confirmed instances everywhere: the world was full of verifications of the theory. Whatever happened always confirmed it.” Reminds me very much of AGW and
    http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm

  125. latitude says:

    “Joel Shore says:
    May 12, 2010 at 6:08 pm
    Well, if we are going to get so upset about this sort of thing (which I personally don’t really think we should), then Roy Spencer should get the same sort of flack from WUWT for the picture on the front cover of his latest book:”

    Joel, water magnifies.
    So yes, the picture is visually accurate.

  126. Josualdo says:

    Alexander says:
    May 13, 2010 at 6:27 am

    ‘Collage’ comes from the French ‘to glue’ and no way is a Photoshop image ‘glued’ together from physically cut or torn picures as in an actual collage. The invention of the technique as an artistic mode of expression is credited to a joint effort by Picaso and Georges Braque, who spent some time sharing a studio and decided to try the technique ‘for fun’.

    Photomontage – composite photos – are just about as old as photography itself. Photographers started making and selling them (“fake photos”) right in the 19th century. As you mention, it’s quite a different process than collage.

  127. Mike says:

    Not sure why it should matter to the AGW crazies even if it is a real picture. The polar bear is classified as a marine mammal. They spend most of their lives on the ice or in the water, rarely visiting land. They are great swimmers since their forepaws are partially webbed, they have excellent underwater vision and their nostrils close under water. This is their natural environment.

  128. Josualdo says:

    Smokey says:
    May 13, 2010 at 10:19 am

    There is also Godel’s Incompleteness Theorem, which posits that if something is not testable, it isn’t science.

    I’m not positive, but I sort of remember Gödel’s theorem states that no strong axiomatic system can prove all true propositions (incompleteness). And that in order to do so, the system must be “weak” and incur into self-contradiction. I find it a great sobering theorem for our deified rationality.

    Falsifiability / testability is Karl Popper’s stuff.

    Neo-rhetorics (eh eh eh), which basically tells that a proposition is true if you manage to convince the audience it is so, is Feyerabend’s (Against Method). So post-modern. Let’s not forget this great philosophy. Dense, though…

  129. dbleader61 says:

    Venus Envy and now Ursus bogus? You do know how to build a headline Anthony.

  130. Gil Dewart says:

    “For want of a nail…”
    Little things can mean a lot. One problem with this pathetic example of what we used to call “nature faking” is that it misses the main point about the polar ice packs. It’s the albedo that is the major climate concern – in short, ice reflects solar radiation, open water absorbs it. Of course this is a gross oversimplification of the real situation, but if you want to illustrate it, don’t fiddle with critters, just show dark water and light ice. The original (oops) and the replacement in this case don’t even accomplish this very well, in fact they display some of the inherent ambiguities of albedo with slanting rays and irregular surfaces.
    One has to wonder why the eminent letter writers didn’t provide their own photographs. If they had called me, I would have been happy to submit sea ice pictures with very dark water and very bright ice, gratis, FOIA unnecessary, no PhotoShop, no so-called “collage”. (No bears though – how about a Russian icebreaker?) This is why it’s best to exhibit your own pictures – if you didn’t take them yourself you don’t know where they’ve been.

  131. Smokey says:

    DirkH & Josualdo,

    I’m going to have to concede the point re: Godel. I had a great synopsis explaining how the Incompleteness Theorem applied to the scientific method in general, but now I seem to have lost it. If I can find it I’ll post it.

    I’m more familiar with Popper than Godel, and we’ve had some good threads here on Popper and the scientific method. It goes without saying that alarmists don’t much like Popper, because he holds their feet to the fire.

  132. bubbagyro says:

    Gil Dewart says:
    May 13, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    Without a cuddly yet vicious polar bear your picture is meaningless to the semi-literate who believe in AGW.

  133. Gary Pearse says:

    Even if the photo wasn’t “composed”, polar bears can swim hundreds of kilometres. I am amazed at the amount of unchallenged nonsense about polar bears drowning as if they were not accustomed to the water. Why doesn’t polar bear expert jump in and give us the lowdown on this.

    http://www.thebigzoo.com/Animals/Polar_Bear.asp
    “A polar bear can swim 60 miles without pausing to rest. At an average speed of 6 miles per hour, that is 10 hours of constant swimming.”

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_far_can_Polar_Bears_swim

    “…Have been seen swimming several hundred miles from the nearest ice or land.”

  134. Max Hugoson says:

    When examining the image with a zoom in a photo processer software, the evidence of the “wave” distortion from the water, disappears in the bear’s shadow.

    If you are going to fake such images, you’d better understand the physics of imagry, much less the physics of the atmosphere.

  135. HR says:

    You say you’re not so interested in climate change art so sorry to bother you with this. Here’s something I noticed looking at the recent EPA Climate Indicator document. It contains a picute of Muir Glacier in 1941 and 2005 that is essentially like this.

    http://www.globalwarmingart.com/images/3/3a/Muir_Glacier.jpg

    The inference being they are taken from the same spot.

    The individual pictures are on the USGS website with accompanying text that again suggests they are taken from the same spot. If you google Muir Glacier you realise they appear on many sites.

    http://gallery.usgs.gov/photos/658
    http://gallery.usgs.gov/photos/660

    There is a third photo taken in 1950 which obviously is taken from the same spot as the 1941 photo. Somebody has kindly put all three photos together here.

    http://gallery.usgs.gov/photos/659
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/images/2008/10/081006130550.jpg

    Is it me or is the modern picture taken from a completely different part of the valley? The rock outcrop on the foreground left certainly gives the impression that they are identical but everything else says not. The 2004 valley appears far wider this is apparent when the 1950 picture is included. And the background mountains look much further away in the 2004 photo. It looks to me like the 2004 picture is taken much further down the valley or is something messing with the perspective in the 2004 picture.

    I know climate change art is a trivial matter but I’d be interested to know what you think especially in the context of the EPA document where it seems to be displayed as part of the supporting data for glacier retreat.

  136. Larry Fields says:

    Terry Oldberg says:
    May 13, 2010 at 9:22 am

    “* The IPCC climate models are not falsifiable, thus lying outside science ( http://icecap.us/images/uploads/SPINNING_THE_CLIMATE08.pdf ),
    * It would be easy to modify the IPCC climate models for falsifiability. If this were to be done, these models would be falsified if given sufficient testing.”

    I have not been following this issue as closely as I should, and I don’t have the time to wade through long PDFs. But my impression is that the IPCC climate models have already been falsified. For example, they predict increased global warming when levels of CO2 and certain other GHGs increase. Since 1998, we’ve had the latter, but not the former; hence falsification. Am I missing the boat?

  137. John Murphy says:

    Joel Shore

    What’s the problem? Who thinks that Spencer wants us to think that icebergs will look like that? No one, that’s who.

    Who thinks the Goricals want us to think polar bears will be living on 10 sq ft of ice?

    That’s the difference.

  138. John Murphy says:

    Josualdo

    Put that ponce of a Vice-Chancellor there with Jones. Did you watch him at the Commons “inquiry”?

  139. John Murphy says:

    Mike M

    We also know that times were warmer in teh past after the polar bear species separated from the brown bear and yet here they are, still going. Makes you think they only survived as a species so the alarmists woudl have something to get alarmed about.

  140. John Murphy says:

    Terry Oldberg

    Godels’ Incompleteness Theorem does no such thing. It is actually two theorems. Wikipedia says (and it can be trusted because this has nothing to do with AGW):

    The first incompleteness theorem states that no consistent system of axioms whose theorems can be listed by an “effective procedure” (essentially, a computer program) is capable of proving all facts about the natural numbers. For any such system, there will always be statements about the natural numbers that are true, but that are unprovable within the system.

    The second incompleteness theorem shows that if such a system is also capable of proving certain basic facts about the natural numbers, then one particular arithmetic truth the system cannot prove is the consistency of the system itself.

  141. Wyatt says:

    Science mag should change it’s name to “willingly duped”. Besides the faked ursus bogus pic, I learnt in my first year of Collage…, that polar bear are a sub-species of brown bear. Saying polar bear are in danger of extinction is as silly as saying arctic fox are in danger, as both are arctic adaptations! Maybe the goose-stepping editors at “willingly duped” are mad-hatters from years of breaking CFL bulbs? What else can explain such basic dishonesty?

  142. kwik says:

    Jackie says:
    May 13, 2010 at 5:37 am

    Science magazine:
    “We did not realize that it was not an original photograph”

    Science magazine and the hockeystick;
    “We did not realize that it was not the original temperature”

  143. Moderate Republican says:

    Notice that no one is actually talking about the actual science or emperical evidence here – sure, did they f&ck up on the image. You bet. Does it change the data – nope?

    Oh, and an image doesn’t go through a peer review process you jack-#ss. Can’t you even get the basics right on what you are attacking?

  144. Larry Fields says:

    Moderate Republican, I think that someone has just undergone a humorectomy. (I don’t know if that will be covered under Obamacare.) Under the present circumstances, I feel that a gentle reminder from Mark Twain quote is in order:
    “Against the assault of laughter, nothing can stand.”

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