From the BBC, apparently Copenhagen is falling apart:
Environment correspondent, BBC News website, Copenhagen
Excerpts:
The African delegation is unhappy over moves by the Danish government
Negotiations at the UN climate summit have been suspended after developing countries withdrew their co-operation.
Delegations were angry at what they saw as moves by the Danish host government to sideline talks on more emission cuts under the Kyoto Protocol.
As news spread around the conference centre, activists chanted “We stand with Africa – Kyoto targets now”.
Informal talks continue, and the UN climate convention head said the formal agenda should resume in the afternoon.
Blocs representing poor countries vulnerable to climate change have been adamant that rich nations must commit to emission cuts beyond 2012 under the Kyoto Protocol.
But the EU and the developed world in general has promoted the idea of an entirely new agreement, replacing the protocol.
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Last week, the Pacific island nation of Tuvalu forced a suspension after insisting that proposals to amend the UN climate convention and Kyoto Protocol be debated in full.
“The point is being made very loudly that African countries and the wider G77 bloc will not accept non-action on the Kyoto Protocol, and they’re really afraid that a deal has been stitched up behind their backs,” he told BBC News.
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Hmmm. Ya think?
This story earlier on WUWT certainly suggests something was indeed “stitched up”:
More Leaks – Copenhagen in disarray
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Thank heaven for small mercies. The suspension is for the wrong reason; economics not science. But we will take any benefit we can get.
I can not blame the poor. They were behind the Copenhagen money. Where’s the money?
Well it had to happen, i`m surprised it has taken so long for developing countrys to realize that the west just wants to surpress them and prevent their development. If we are in the crapper, well then they will have to pay the price i guess.
I doubt that this will torpedo the talks. I expect some sort of agreement to come out by Friday.
Alas.
I posted the in the notes to WUWT section, but am so enraged Im going off-topic here-sorry.
Has anyone else seen the disgraceful FRONT PAGE article in the Independent on Solar activity?
Even for the Indy, it’s shocking.
Jim Cripwell (05:48:23) :
“Thank heaven for small mercies. The suspension is for the wrong reason; economics not science. But we will take any benefit we can get.”
I agree Jim,”Hopenhagen” has become” Nopenhagen”….
Meanwhile at GoogleGate, Google search results for “climategate” (I’m tracking just this one spelling for consistency’s sake) are now down to 21.2 million (from 30 million), while Altavista has continued to climb to 76.3 million.
Gore must be making it worth someone’s while.
Good – failure is the best option.
Why is there juvenile chanting at a “conference”?
Too many square pegs and round holes as usual in the world of the ‘Idealist’.
A paradoxical world where, yes it IS possible for a human to disappeare up their own Rectum.
The Danish text drafted in secret basically amounted to taxing people in developed countries into poverty while royally f**king over already poor people in poor countries, and then passing all the revenue from taxes and carbon trading to the elites.
Looks like the wheels are coming off the bus!
It was always about the money. Climategate has not convinced our leaders of anything because there is nothing that will convince them. Ironic that the greed of third-world oligarchs should succeed in doing what reason, rationality and science could not.
well, that fog-web-of-intrigues-planet icon speaks volumes and I am delighted the fog appears to be lifting long enough…
They’ll still get their last foi gras, caviar and free prostitutes in limos before they leave in Gulfstreams. No problems for them. They just won’t be able to look forward to two Gulfstreams in their future now without the money they would have made in the future from an ‘agreement’.
So…the poker game hots up?
The God of the poor is helping us all.
I’m sorry I was under the impression that this summit was about climate change not money?
They keep telling us it is too late, and we are all going to die from flood, famine, pestilence, hurricanes, drought, disease, extinction, acid seas, heat, cold, CO2 poisoning.
And now they stop the debate because they are not getting enough money from the rest of the world? What is the point of all that money if everyone is going to die anyway.
If they are so convinced by this CO2 nonsense maybe they should make the changes needed anyway. Or is it really just about the money?
Hmmm. Ya think?
Cogito, ergo skepticus sum.
Gordon Brown (Our PM) said he was going to COP15 tommorrow night.
I told you about the ‘Jonah Curse’ of Brown.
It is true.
He could fall into a bucket of boobs and still come out sucking his thumb.
Would caution against putting too much faith in these reports.
When I was in the U.S. Navy, ships routinely published false schedules regarding future movements. Correct schedules were published only just before the movements themselves were about to be made. Obama himself probably followed a similar tactic when publishing his COP15 schedule, only to change it just before the meeting started.
Similarly, these arguments about agreements are published so that those opposed to the agreement cannot argue against it, as no one really knows what the agreement even is. See The current U.S. debate on health care as an example.
The point to what I’m saying here is for folks on the skeptic side to stay focused and take press releases with a grain of salt.
Forgot the link:
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/sunspots-do-not-cause-climate-change-say-scientists-1839867.html
A collapse in disaray of the Copenhagen summit would be the best result possible.
Anything that stops the developed nations pouring even more of our hard-earned pounds (dollars, euros) into the bottomless pit/black hole that is Africa has got to be welcome.
Everybody with more than two brain cells to rub together knows that the 1.2b€ (1.5b from the Mighty Broon — what a pillock that man is!) is going to do nothing for “global warming” even assuming anything can be done about it; it will all end up in the dictators’ Swiss bank accounts like every other bit of “aid” we’ve given them.
But don’t worry; they’ll cobble something together by the weekend to paper over the cracks!
Building Babylon tower, anyone? Sincere wishes for the same outcome.