It has started – the infighting begins in the court of public opinion.
Climategate: Phil Jones accused of making error of judgment by colleague
Here’s an excerpt:
One of the scientists to whom the emails were addressed, Professor Michael Mann, the Director of the Earth System Science Center at Pennsylvania State University has moved to distance himself from some of the comments in the emails that suggest scientists did not want the IPCC, the UN body charged with monitoring climate change, to consider studies that challenged the view global warming was genuine and man-made.
Speaking to BBC Radio 4’s The World Tonight, Prof Mann said: “I can’t put myself in the mind of the person who wrote that email and sent it. I in no way endorse what was in that email.”
Prof Mann also said he could not “justify” a request from Prof Jones that he should delete some of his own emails to prevent them from being seen by outsiders.
“I can’t justify the action, I can only speculate that he was feeling so under attack that he made some poor decisions frankly and I think that’s clear.”
Prof Mann then argued however that there was “absolutely no evidence” that he too had manipulated data, while he also said “I don’t believe that any of my colleagues have done that”.
Complete story here at the Telegraph:
Climategate: Phil Jones accused of making error of judgment by colleague
h/t to Kate at SDA
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Love this. Microsoft helping out: http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2009/12/zing.html
PSU can’t (won’t) discuss the issue wrt Mann because they started an investigation, but Mann is free to dig his hole deeper?
These guys are frightened, and they should be. Jone, Mann et. al. have been perpetrating a massive fraud. They, the media who have and continue to protect them, and the politicians who willingly suspend disbelief should be ripped to shreds in the public square.
What they have done is indefensible. It is indefensible.
I gotta go buy some more popcorn.
Popping my popcorn right now…
Ah…a scandal develops….
Trouble in AGW Paradise?
“Prof Mann then argued however that there was “absolutely no evidence” that he too had manipulated data…”
YOU MUST BE KIDDING!!
e tu Brute?
“The smoke comming out of that gun is real but it wasn’t my gun”
Jones should not go down for this by himself. The emails are crystal clear. There was a group working in concert to promote AGW and stifle dissenting views. Inability to prove their theoretical concept valid in the field resulted in fabricating false proofs: fudge factors, data mining, cherry picking, ersatz global models, and so on. But their worst lie was the claim of consensus. They should all be castigated for that in particular.
Read the e-mails. The other guys don’t like Mann.
‘I think I’m going to vomit.’
Mann is still on his ego trip.
If he had any good judgement, he would keep quiet. This endeavor on his part may backfire. He also Will find Jones may counter attack him. Mann needs to take a time out and go to Siberia and look at some tree rings on a field trip.
He will need a lot more tree rings. He also needs some cooler tree rings from the Midevil warm period. Mannipulate the Mid-evil period soon before you get investigated.
It’s like a crime drama on TV. “Common Jonesy your mate in the other cell says you did it. Unless you come clean you’re going down for a long stretch!”
Given the tone(casual) of some of the e-mails, I’d say Mann is being a little disingenuous. I’d really like a peek at some of his. Perhaps in the Senate hearings but I’d imagine by now, Mann has deleted his incriminating ones. Of course, servers have backups and archives…….
Its common for criminals caught in the act to accuse each other to try and save their own skins.
As far as “cherry picking” is concerned there is a significant difference between someone “cherry picking” data to prove a theory and another person who picks instances that disprove a theory.
“Exceptio probat regnum.” The exception probes (tests) the rule.
(not “the exception proves the rule” because the modern meaning of “prove” has become to show truth)
It really gets my goat when these frauds accuse sceptics of “cherry picking” when they are pointing out failures in their theories. That is not “cherry picking”, that is science.
Now he has our undivided attention all he needs to do is release all his data and computer programs to the world and we will all see he is innocent of any wrong doing.
[/sarc]
“I can only speculate that he was feeling so under attack that he made some poor decisions”
Those nasty sceptics trying to get him to release his data so the science can be verified.
If Mann considers this request so beyond the pale, then he MUST have let Jones know at the time, right? While I can certainly grant that it’s human nature to not want to inform on a friend/colleague, I would think that at a bare minimum (as a ‘respected’ scientist) he should be expected to respond saying that he will not be deleting any E-mails and that such a practice is highly inappropriate and possibly illegal.
Mann was implicated in the cover-up … he initiated it.
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2009/11/hiding-decline.html
“Prof Mann then argued however that there was “absolutely no evidence” that he too had manipulated data”
I beg to differ. Evidence of flight can be used against someone accused of a crime even though running away in itself is not a crime. Hiding data and methods in itself is not proof of fraud, but it is evidence. In this case it is a necessary condition for fraud. If Mann had released his data and methods including that data he had but did not use, there would be no suggestion that he was involved in climategate.
Let the games begin!
Brent in Calgary
In now time the HOCKEY STICKs will be flying all over ICE rink. I am looking forward to the spectacle.
It’s time for Penn State to save it’s reputation and throw Mann under the bus.
They could previously claim ignorance. They don’t have that excuse anymore.