This is a 350.org effort to highlight the perceived need to get below 350 ppm of atmospheric CO2.
At left is the list of luminaries that make up the 350.org messengers. With a team like that, especially with Van Jones, Hansen, and Monbiot on board, who could resist?
I may just drive up there to offer him a ride home, unless of course somebody reading WUWT lives closer and can document how they get there and how they get back. Here’s the details on the walk. They say on the blog that:
“Trekkers will begin on Sept. 20 at Sunset Bay State Park, near Coos Bay. They will finish in downtown Portland on Oct. 24.” – Anthony
From Oregon Live: The Stump – Why I am walking 350 miles
by Phil Carver, guest opinion
From Sept. 20 to Oct. 24, I and a small group of other people will walk 350 miles along the Oregon coast and the Columbia River estuary to highlight the dangers of climate change.
For my last 20 years with state government, I was responsible for monitoring climate science. I retired in 2008 and now feel the need to go more public with this dire situation.
The Oregonian and most newspaper have missed one of the biggest stories of the year.
Sharon Begley, Newsweek’s science editor, wrote an article published July 24 titled: “Climate-Change Calculus: Why it’s even worse than we feared.” In the article she quotes International Polar Year’s David Carlson as saying: “The models just aren’t keeping up” with the reality of CO2 emissions. She notes that: “Although policymakers hoped climate models would prove to be alarmist, the opposite is true, particularly in the Arctic.”
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The Oregon 350 Climate Crisis Walk is one of over 1,000 events around the world planned for Oct. 24 by 350.org. The idea is to promote a limit of 350 parts per million of CO2 in the air. The level is currently at 389 and rising 2 ppm per year. The group was founded by James Hansen, a NASA climate scientist, and Bill McKibben, author of “End of Nature” and “Deep Economy.”
Read the complete article and participate in comments at the Orgeon Live website
For an excellent rebuttal of Sharon Begley’s July 24th Newsweek article, see ICECAP here
1) Replace “climate change” with “weather.”
2) Laugh.
3) Cry.
Bianca Jagger?
Hey Americans!!! Go walk with them!!! I would but unfortunately being in Australia makes it a little difficult. Some of you could walk with them to highlight that there is a debate. Could be the greatest media coup for sceptics ever.
Go for it!!!!
Someone could give him “State of Fear” by Michael Crichton to entertain him as he does his walk.
Blisters are the only sure thing about this.
Weather along the Oregon coast can be hazardous to one’s health – little early for the really nasty stuff. Unless Al shows up!
Was anyone here aware that David Suzuki receives funding from petroleum companies?
Maybe someone will mention that not only Van Jones’ natonalist socialist ideas but also George Monbiot’s history with Britain’s official Marxist-Islamist alliance party which he co-founded with Saddam’s friend George Galloway. Some interest in environment, heh?
[snip]
Someone should point out to him that all this vigorous exertion will result in heavier breathing and hence the exhalation of far more CO2 than if he had stayed at home.
Personally I think the CO2-AGW-warmists should put their mouth where their theories are and breathe less… a lot less.
There was an even worse clown from Switzerland, I forgot his name. He claimed that he drove with a vehicule powered by photovoltaic cells around the world. When you read through his reports, you found out:
– He needed to recharge his battery frequently on the power grid
– He had an assistance bus with him, gasoline powered
Quote of the week!
“the models are just not keeping up with the reality of CO2 emmissions”
Well he got that right didnt he? just not in the way he obviously meant, CO2 rises and yet temperatures fall.
The models have been consistent only in their errors, they have been proven wrong in every respect and a simple graph of model predictions since the frist IPCC prediction to the latest overlayed with actual real temperatures will instantly show the real actual truth.
Having said that, if they want to go on a ramble then hooray for that, they are in for a big cold shower of reality, hopefuly they will toddle off and creep back home quietly when they find something very very different to the fantasy they obviously have in their minds, I think a re run of the ‘Catlin junkett’ is in the offing where reality and fantasy clash?
What is sad is that he thinks this will achieve anything. I mean everyone on the planet has heard ‘The Word’ and some even believe it.
Why doesn’t he go and live in an unheated cave and eat uncooked grass or whatever they’ve got planned for the rest of us.
They’ve spelt “luminaries” wrong. Should be spelt L, O, O, N, I, E, S…
Perhaps a 350 mile equivalent on a treadmill, generating electricity, might be better.
Just picture them all lined up, just peddling away with carbon capture and storage of their emissions.
It would be interesting to calculate the gallons per mile consumed by all the media trucks and camp followers that will be forming the vehicle procession behind these jokers… Anyone want to start an RV count pool? Walker, 3 media, 5 friends, 9 camp followers… so about 18 RVs and media vans? Allowing for a couple to share… I bet on “12” as the magic number…
That’s right. They can take a hike. I believe that is what we told Van Jones to do.
Such a target rich environment!
And E.M. (08.21) – I think your guess is pretty close.
The effect of this posturing and chest thumping “look at me” will need close Hansensian measurement to determine how they change climate.
Cassandra King
I think a re run of the ‘Catlin junkett’ is in the offing where reality and fantasy clash?
I don’t think reality came within a bulls roar of the Catlin crew.
Ian
Canberra
Is [snip] the kind of thoughtful comment this blog is for? Or is it just simply a insult?
Just wondering…
REPLY: Thanks for pointing out that comment, it has been appropriately – [snipped]
David Suzuki is a minor celebrity in Canada but don’t expect much intellectual consistency from the fellow. He frequently moans about the size of our carbon footprint but owns three homes. One can only be reached by boat or plane, and the third is definitely fly-in only.
He also did a bus tour on climate change across Canada a year or so ago. What did it run on?
Diesel.
If these people were really focused on climate change — rather than just the attention they get from talking about climate change — would make a few sacrifices of their own.
Little bit OT but clicking through one of the links on the Oregon news website comments got this very good website with a full breakdown of the atmospheric science in language that even I (a computer scientist) could understand:
http://brneurosci.org/co2.html
Walking?!?!
Doesn’t that generate carbon dioxide?
Hmmm, along a parallel line of thought: Are cars greener than bikes?
I made 9 times 92km on foot trip per day. By excessive breathing and farting I produced exceeding amounts of CO2 in the process.
There is a good chance they will be caught by early snow and frost.
And how did Monbiot get to the US?
350 ppm. Sounds snappier than 3.5 parts per 10,000 doesn’t it?
Here is an idea for these green activists who love to be in the front page of tabloids. They can pay the skeptic’s share of the cap and trade tax, that would raise more than an eyebrow as well as a lot of awareness and it won’t be too much since everybody knows there are only a few skeptics. So, go ahead and pay our share, for the planet, for our children.
They may be hamming it up on the way to Portland, but I guarantee you that in a short year and a half, they’ll be hiding thier faces. 3 years of this Solar Minmum will take it’s toll.
Stuck weather patterns will give way to more austere forms.
How many airmiles will the 350 road miles be converted to?
Sorry to hone in on Mr Monbiot who we all know pontificates at the Guardian a once great campaigning newspaper, which is reduced on its environment blog to making up stories, distorting science and regularly having articles on cyclists and bike lanes?
So, Mr Monbiot, how did he get to the United States, no matter he probably flew, CO2 Emissions, no matter, he’s ok because he is saving the planet.
On his blog he said he disagreed with moderation (Censorship) of comments, weasle words of course because on Comment is Free (if you agree) censorship is done ever so subtly.
My view is, that to be censored to the extent of not being allowed to post on the Guardian environment blog, you have to do the following:-
1 Be polite
2 Win the argument against the resident Trolls (Paid?) and contributing journalists. Which is not difficult
3 Provide a link to Watts up with that, Climate Audit and other Denier sites:-)
4 Question repeatedly the validity of the Hockey Stick
5 Mention censorship at Real Climate
6 Talk sense
As I have said before there is only one thing worse than a hypocrite and that is a sanctimonious hypocrite.
On the question of the science is settled at their presentation to the 1927 Solvay conference on Quantum Mechanics, Born and Heisenberg said a very similar thing?
I am a bit sad because our Gav has found another suitor, I told him that Georgie Porgie stole all the pies but will he believe me?
George H Taylor, Oregons Meteorologist, has been silenced it seems. How sad that those that disagree with them are.
More evidence that AGW is a modern apocalyptic religion.
The AGW religion doesn’t have the equivalent of Rome or Mecca to pilgrimage to, the Arctic is inconveniently cold, so the Oregon Coast will have to do.
I would have taken them more seriously (not much mind you) if they walked 350km around Death Valley in July – a more appropriate way of highlighting global warming IMHO, but of course nothing like as pleasant as the Oregon coast.
I await with anticipation the AGWers version of sackcloth and ashes. I hope it’s more imaginative than not wearing petroleum derived artificial fibres and not washing.
[snip]
David Carlson: “…the models are just not keeping up with the reality of CO2 emmissions…”
What he actually meant to say: “…the models are just not keeping up with reality…”
Will they be purchasing carbon offsets from Al Gore for all that extra carbon dioxide exerted from all that huffin and puffin from their walk?
I am not one for personal attacks, whereas a lesser rather lowly man might suggest that Mr Al Gore join in this venture, on the premise that he could certainly do the exercise after all that good living he has enjoyed for so many years, I am sure his physician would recommend it! I of course wouldn’t make such a suggestion. As for Bianca Jagger, (one might suggest she is still trading on that famous name as she has done for so long, but of course I would not), if she got any thinner she would dissappear altogether if she turned sideways, so she definitely shouldn’t go on such an epic journey!
Are there any treacherous cliff tops along the way, just want to make sure George Monbiot takes care that’s all! Ahhh, he is a lamb really.
So good ‘ol Phil thinks it “a dire situation”. Oh dear, it would be more funny if it was not so sad.
And Newsweek’s science editor, Sharon, is either on another planet or else she has decided to shut out any nasty data that does not support her catastrophic dream of impending annihilation.
Why does this ‘team’ look decidedly tired, out of touch, and desperate?
Phil Carver says:
Google says he was:
He retired in 2008 … so he wants us to believe that he’s had the job of “monitoring climate science” since 1988???
Not. There’s nary a word on google about him and climate prior to 2003, and I doubt greatly that in 1988 (the year that James Hansen starting screaming about climate) that his job description included “monitoring climate science”.
Well, I’m about to set off for a stroll in the countryside. Now what could I highlight? Sponsorship anyone?
“‘The models just aren’t keeping up’ with the reality of CO2 emissions. She notes that: ‘Although policymakers hoped climate models would prove to be alarmist, the opposite is true, particularly in the Arctic.'”
More to Cassandra King’s comment, the way I read this is that Sharon thinks that the models are not alarmist enough. I have been saying this for years. We have exceeded the models’ projected output of CO2. The models have not been corrected for this. In light of the recent lack of warming, perhaps the modelers just want to leave well enough alone.
The models are not alarmist. Hmmm. Yet the media has been. I wonder how much worse the media would get if the models were alarmist.
John M Reynolds
OT – Anthony, I assume you’ve already picked-up on this one:
http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2009/09/debate-with-marc-morano.html?showComment=1253023640668#c626145068632737754
All I can say is that it’s another one to put in the scrap book for sending back to the originator in about 10 years’ time…
What a numpty.
Cheers
Mark.
When is the big climate talkfest in Copenhagen again, November? These stories will just be worse by the day.
I wonder how I would live my life without such people to set an example and to raise my awareness. I actually think my awareness is now so raised that it’s near its peak. This walking holiday may just push me over a tipping point. Arrgh ! I can feel it now . . . and it’s worse than I thought.
[snip]
Monbiot recently pledged to cut his emissions by 10% in 2010:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/sep/01/global-warming-emissions-fossil-fuels
I guess he needs to get his flying in before the new year.
Opinion is one thing. Extremist hate-mongering (eg Al Gore’s Holy hologram) is entirely different. Are you going to leave up all such wingnut comments?
REPLY: No, and he’s been snipped and warned by email. One more like that and he’s banned. – Anthony
It is a really beutiful stretch of coastline anyway. I would have to recommend that if skeptics are thinking of coming allong that they come in numbers and know who each other are, lot’s of places for accidents allong that stretch.
“End of Nature”, you’ve got to be kidding right?
Current models of the cosmos predict that Nature will go alone find without us for the next few hundred billion years – and in one scenario – expand forever till a final cold death occurs with each atom separated by light years. Even then Nature still exists, just a wee bit colder than we are now. There are some other alternate models, in all of which Nature does just fine.
I need to walk about 4,000 kilometers to lose a lot of weight. I’d do it too but alas my left heel currently can’t take it all at once so it’s looping around the block for me.
How about people walk for objective and audit-able climate sanity and their health? A too boring, it must be more dramatic. We’re walking to stop the cold death scenario of the cosmos! That’s the ticket! Galactic, no Universal, climate change protest walk to prevent the process of entropy from occurring!
Now I wonder just how much their CO2 and H2O and Methane outputs will be during this walk? What is their Greenhouse Gas Footprint going to be? It’s not a CO2 or Carbon Footprint, it’s a Greenhouse Gas Footprint and that includes the evil Water Vapor we exhale with each breath too! Grrrrrrrr….
How do we reconcile this
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.jpg
with this?
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seasonal.extent.1900-2007.jpg
Minimum ice extent?
If it’s about reducing CO2 levels, it’s more efficient if they all get into a van or a bus and drive.
The most efficient solution however is if they would simply shoot themselves.
The latter solution would also increase the the average IQ of the remaining population.
When the dust has cleared on the great global warming scam many years hence, there should be a “Gallery of Infamy” to record and remember those who promoted AGW even though they knew it to be untrue. The pictures above make a great nucleus.
Re previous it seems the normal summer (up to 1955) minimum is 11 million km2 in seasonal but on anomaly graph its 14 to 3.5 million km2?
>>>Hey Americans!!! Go walk with them!!!
Good idea. With big placards saying –
“No global warming for ten years”
“The Sun is on strike”
“Antarctic ice at greatest extent”
“Arctic ice recovering”
“Polar bears thriving”
“Hockey-stick bogus”
“Co2 levels higher in 1940s”
“More Co2 cannot increase greenhouse effect” (already at saturation levels)
Any more?
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“If humanity wishes to preserve a planet similar to that on which civilization developed and to which life on Earth is adapted, paleoclimate evidence and ongoing climate change suggest that CO2 will need to be reduced from its current 385 ppm to at most 350 ppm, but likely less than that.” – James Hansen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/350.org
Ok, that’s a leap.
How about showing us your AUDITABLE, OPEN, and VERIFIABLE scientific evidence for such claims Mr. Hansen. Please provide the full details of your hypothesis with all supporting data and how such data was collected and statistically massaged and manipulated. In addition please provide all source code and access to all programs used in drawing such a conclusion.
Oh, you can’t or won’t do that you say, well how are you any different than a religo-sly-fi soothsayer sir?
I thought that the “paleoclimate evidence” shows that temperature precedes CO2 increases by hundreds of years, how can it be that the likes of James Hansen get it backwards? Their perspective window seems to be so narrow that they only see what they want to see. How about when the CO2 levels were 4,000 ppm and our ancestors did just fine as evidenced by us existing now?
Oh well. What can one do? Promote Rational Discussion and Examination of Auditable and Open and Verifiable Objective Science with all “manipulations” and “assumptions” fully documented. Make that a requirement for ALL publicly funded science! Maybe that’s where we can make a dent. Make it a requirement that all public science be fully open. No more secret data sets with secret “corrections” or secret “statistical adjustments”. If scientists and especially climate scientists want public money then they must provide a fully audited paper and digital trail that others can follow. In fact, their science papers must fully point to all the data and information sources they’ve used and fully describe how they’ve manipulated the data.
No More Secrets in Public Science! Support Open Public Science!
Won’t walking 350 miles generate a lot of unnecessary CO2 ?
astateofdenmark (03:20:12) :
Monbiot recently pledged to cut his emissions by 10% in 2010:
What’s he going to do – shut up?
Cheers
Mark
hmmmm… my crystal ball says below average temps and a little sleet or snow on their journey.
Don’t think Carver will enjoy his walk after the butt kicking he got from Chuck Wiese. Carver’s not a real climatologist, he just plays one in his copious spare time, which is apparently funded by Oregon taxpayers. Indeed, Carver holds a PHd in the “science” of economics, another model ridden domain. Hubris
On the Orgeon Live website, Meteorologist Chuck Weise and also richard2 put him sufficiently in his place.
Phil Carver has not only drunk the climate koolaid, for 20 years he bathed in it. Like so many of the AGW True Believers, he’s now delusional. There isn’t a shred of honesty, integrity, or rationality left in him, along with his 9 climate clown cohorts pictured above.
Dear 350.org .
In case no one has noticed… your entire idea wastes energy, produces CO2 and has the added benefit of being profoundly stupid.
Sincerely…
Since they allow you to join but not to comment. Are we sure this isn’t made up by the staff at the Onion?
“whereas a lesser rather lowly man might suggest that Mr Al Gore join in this venture.”
No, Al Gore should be seated in a carriage – the sort that Chinese dignitaries used to be carried in – hoisted aloft by his faithful servants, and as they pass from village to village, his subjects can come out and shout their praises.
Such a theatre absurdum would epitomise this whole AGW farce more than mere words ever could.
Announcing the new Solaranite Theory of Rapid Anthropomorphic Climate Change (STRACC). Walk to save the universe!
http://pathstoknowledge.wordpress.com/2009/09/17/solaranite-theory-of-rapid-anthropomorphic-climate-change
STRACC makes much more sense than AGW!
[:)]
Would it be bad form to wish them unusually cold, wet weather?
“For my last 20 years with state government, I was responsible for monitoring climate science. I retired in 2008 and now feel the need to go more public with this dire situation.”
mmmmmmm……. at best does this elegant statement admirably demonstrate the power of lucre over conscience
Or does it demonstrate an absence of conscience when lucre has been secured?
Harsh but fair.
I’m starting an organistation. It’s to be called ‘5:15’ because by 2015 only five people will still believe that AGW is or ever was a problem; Al Gore, James Hansen, Gavin Schmidt, George Monbiot and Flanagan.
It’s 1:42pm in the UK at the moment so in exactly 3 hrs and 33 minutes I’m going to leave my office and walk my dog for 5 miles along the Malvern Hills.
That should prove something to somebody.
Anyone care to join me ?
vg (04:10:20) :
How do we reconcile this
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.jpg
with this?
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seasonal.extent.1900-2007.jpg
Minimum ice extent?
(04:17:35) :
Re previous it seems the normal summer (up to 1955) minimum is 11 million km2 in seasonal but on anomaly graph its 14 to 3.5 million km2?
Legitimate pre-satellite sea ice data do not exist for the purposes of comparison. Cryosphere Today’s 100-year graph is meaningless, to put it charitably. (The ruler-straight line of autumn values pre-1955 is among the “tells.”)
The fact that the Arctic warmed and melted in the 1930s and 40s is common knowledge (and well-documented).
I’ve bicycled over a lot of the presumed route this crowd will walk, see http://wermenh.com/biketour/coastal_or.html and http://wermenh.com/biketour-1974/leg2.html .
I strongly recommend that when they get to Astoria, they take the train to Portland. 🙂 There are some okay sections, but I wrote
You got do something…..dear friends.
In times of the soviet union, in SA, we used to call them “useful fools”
The world is in need of a revolution based on truthfulness in order to substitute the common “social acceptance” of lie.
Believe it or not, the majority of the human kind qualifies for a truthfulness behaviour, because it is our common behaviour, only THEM, a few, do not qualify.
Hey Anthony, you are being dissed on ABC, Australia, tonight by a Chris Mooney (May have the name wrong). Apparently you are extreme.
REPLY: He must be an excellent journalist, since he’s able to determine this without ever having so much as sent me an email or a telephone call. Telepathic perhaps. – Anthony
There are some people who can kill their own mother and say it was in “self defense”, these are them, those of the liar kind, the ones who are behind all these reiterative lies.
“I and a small group of other people”
teh grammar is deadz0rs
I wonder if these highly dedicated souls did the slightest reconnaissance of the route the intend to use. Much of it is steep narrow twisty two lane highway clutching to very steep terrain. Many places a step off the pavement is about 200′ of gravity induced acceleration. The traffic is a mixture of RVs, buses, logging trucks, semi-trucks, and normal cars, all exceeding the 55mph speed limit. The weather is wet and windy, cold and windy, foggy and windy, and if the sun does come out it will really get windy. The places to take care of personal hygiene are few and wilderness conveniences are often overgrown poison oak, nettles, and my favorite, devils club, any of which will add a new dimension to distance walking..
I can only wish them luck as common sense seems to be lacking.
Methinks that Suzuki will have them all picked up in one of them air-conditioned diesel buses??
Tiles,
“350 ppm. Sounds snappier than 3.5 parts per 10,000 doesn’t it?”
It sure does. But wouldn’t 350,000 parts per 1,000,000,000 sound a lot better?
🙂
I am ceaselessly amazed at the mediocrity of the public intelligence. Despite almost every dire AGW statement/prediction being effectively countered by proper science, actual measurement and application of appropriate uncertainty levels, I am still fighting the fear in my average friends eyes that they are about to witness Earthly calamity in the next few decades. Why? Because someone told them so. Not because they had it proved to them. Not because they did an investigation themselves. Not because they applied the common sense test…but because someone told them so.
I often ask them that if they were told to jump off a cliff, would they do so? “Of course, not!” is the answer. Why? “Because that makes no sense…”
Okay, then.
J2
[snip]
20 years of state government says it all
Guess what? There’s less water in rivers during drought years.
Here’s another Oregonian story that will make you laugh out loud.
There’s so much wrong with this. Snow pack is not in decline for one but the idea that isolating drought years is anything but cherry picking is pure manipulation.
The only meaningful part of this is the admitted contrdiction to global warming.
But even there it ends with the funny statement.
“Climate models embody the theory as we understand it,” Luce says. “Now we’ve got a new set of observations that don’t quite agree with the theory. People can go out and refine the theory.”
Refine the theory? Or make the models fit the observations?
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/09/new_study_shows_oregon.html
“New study shows river runoff decreases in driest years in Oregon, Northwest”
The shame of it. Not only do they have a Faith section that also makes frequent reference to Creationism (George Monbiot take note) but they also have 350 armbands! Armbands! [snip]
“Mark Fawcett (04:45:10) :
astateofdenmark (03:20:12) :
Monbiot recently pledged to cut his emissions by 10% in 2010:
What’s he going to do – shut up?
Cheers
Mark”
Funniest thing I read today, apart from the 350.org site
“Alec, a.k.a Daffy Duck (04:51:51) :
hmmmm… my crystal ball says below average temps and a little sleet or snow on their journey.”
If that’s the case; in the wise words of Perry Como ‘Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow’.
Although the ‘celebrity’ walkers will probably attribute their resulting frostbite to AGW. No telling some people.
I was really surprised to see Van Jones mug in the lineup.
That’s a small red flag for the skeptics, one big red flag for public consumption.
Interview that man.
Hmmm… 350 miles in 35 days. It looks like they are using the same 10 mile a day travel formula as the ill fated Catlin expedition. Will they be doing “important research” along the way? Will Dr. Hansen, a government employee, be receiving his salary while he’s away? What will be in Bianca Jagger’s sledge? How many drum beaters will be put at risk during the inevitable rescue?
These 35 day, 100 day, 5 year plans always have that Stalinist air about them.
He/they must not be very committed to their cause. Back in the day in Vietnam, people would set themselves on fire to make their point. How things have changed. Ho-hum.
“..I made 9 times 92km on foot trip per day. By excessive breathing and farting I produced exceeding amounts of CO2 in the process…”
Juraj V.
It’s worse! Farting emits methane, which is a much more evil greenhouse gas!
If, however, you light your farts, you can convert them to CO2 which, though evil, is less so. So all proper greenists ought to be equiped with a small cigarette lighter and a pair of rapid-release trousers….
Pronounced “0.00035 parts”. Although I prefer to use the chart which shows the CO2 increase with the left axis being 0-100 percent.
Incidentally, they also don’t mention whether they are carrying their food and drink, or if they’re getting those from cars or local stores (which are supplied by multiple trucks).
I lived there for near 25 years.Went back to NE Oregon-no mold mildew or blackspot.
however this is a perfect time on the Oregon coast.September in Oregon is and can be
gorgeous .However to this Klown and the warmists:”Good weather bad Bad weather good.” Old man North pacific is about to have his way with US this year…
This is a target rich topic. I’m up to 350 snappy comments and counting. Who needs commedy when life is so funny.
I would suggest a counter protest. This winter on the coldest day we all start up a wood fire, toast each other with hot chocolate and cheer on the end of global warming,or cheer on more CO2, or possibly the sighting of the last sunspot of 2009.
Mid-autumn along the Oregon coast is absolutely beautiful (and cool). If their point is to draw attention to global warming, wouldn’t it make more sense to hike from Panamint Springs to Amargosa (Death Valley), or maybe the Texas panhandle in August. Of course, I’d like to see them hike from Anaktuvuk to Barrow for that Caitlin moment when reality meets idealism.
They don’t really believe in this stuff, do they? I mean, an agreeable stroll to avert global catastrophe does not compute.
For such distances I prefer my car.
Just more stupid stunts! I guess Van Jones needs another radical activist outlet…
Why? It was HUMOR. The most effective way to deal with unrelenting, government-sponsored propaganda is to counter it with humor: mock it. Make light of it. And if you think THAT was “hate mongering”, then apparently you haven’t noticed the violent rhetoric spew aimed at “deniers”.
Walking is a good way to keep trim.
No argument there, but Sharon Begley?
This is another example of massive over statement, this lady has a right to speak, but she should measure her tone and really ought to research the subject before ‘shooting from the hip’.
This is where the gap , between science, with its logical, clinical observation and quite out of proportion scare-mongering, grows ever more vast.
Hansen is particularly culpable, this encourages ever more unqualified (any) ‘Tom,Dick or Harriet’ to boldly pronounce on AGW and expound rubbish, the hyperbole has become completely outrageous.
Do you recall Chicken Licken?
“One day when Chicken Licken was scratching among the leaves, an acorn fell out of a tree and stuck her on the tail.
“Oh,” said Chicken Licken, “the sky is falling! I am going to tell the King.” So she went along and went along until she met Henny Penny.
“Oh, Henny Penny, the sky is falling and I am going to tell the King!” Cocky Locky joined Henny Penny and Chicken Licken, as did Ducky Daddles, Goosey Loosey, and Turkey Lurkey.
“So they went along and went along until they met Foxy Woxy.”
He was told of the sky falling. “How do you know the sky is falling?” asked Foxy Woxy. “Goosey Loosey told me,” said Turkey Lurkey. “Ducky Daddles told me,” said Goosey Loosey, etc. “Chicken Licken told me,” said Henny Penny. “I saw it with my own eyes, I heard it with my own ears, and a piece of it fell on my tail,” said Chicken Licken.
“Then we will run, and we will run to my den,” said Foxy Woxy, “and I will tell the King.”
“So they all ran to Foxy Woxy’s den, but the foolish birds never came out again, and the King was never told that the sky was falling.” (Anonymous)
But the sky is not falling in, the Earth remains in orbit………. and Foxy Woxy……… the truth?
Old rhymes contain a grain of common sense, something many alarmists truly lack.
Copenhagen on the horizon…………. .
Agreement with RdH – one of the greatest contributions “Believers” could make in reducing the “negative” human impact on Mother Nature would be for their group suicide. The resulting reduction in resource demand would buy valuable time for those of us left to continue to adapt the world & universe to our wants and needs while respecting the need to honor history.
An enterprising opportunity? How about setting up skeptic/realist benefiting refreshment/info/survival vending along the way and at the termination of the route?
A great opportunity to publicize the “debate”.
I have all of their albums!
October 24th …………………..
In proper and somber reverence for the CO2 increases that will surely kill Mother Gaia, I guess that I will have to burn several very large brush piles that I have accumulated around my property on that day.
Well, I have to admit, I joined the 350 movement. I just felt I had to DO SOMETHING, ya know?
I mean, I just can’t sit here in my plush 25,000 square foot house like everyone else and watch Wawa Te Te or some such Polynesian island nation be inundated right there on my 120-inch flat screen. (But I got to admit, the graphics and surround sound from that system are just unbelievable. You should SEE it.)
Anyway, so here’s my Action (oh, I’m getting so excited my palms are sweating). I’m organizing a 350 HOUR rally (that’s just under 15 days), of 350 Hummers (wait, wait, wait, this is so cool), to drive cross-country from Maine to California (probably San Francisco), burning 350 gallons of gas each (estimated based on 10 mpg highway). Just imagine us cruising across the Golden Gate Bridge, 350 Hummers, American Flags, News Choppers, the WORKS! Think of the attention we’ll bring to this problem.
It’s going to be so cool along the way too. First we’ll camp out along the route, under the stars to save energy, and every night light a gargantuan bonfire in the shape of a 350. Not anything that can be seen from space, just aircraft you know? Then, we’ll sing songs, and roast marshmallows until they catch fire. I just love that burnt black carbon-sugar taste don’t you? We’ll cook what we hunt in the evenings along the way. There will be contests, like who burns the closest amount of gas to 350 gallons. We can pick people up along the way, ‘cause some of the Hummers that sign up I hope are those big, long stretch limo types, right? So people throughout the country can join the Movement by just getting in (and it’ll help if they can bring rifle, hunt and know how to dress down a white tail deer, or an elk, or maybe a pigeon).
I know what you’re thinking though. How do we get back? The 350 should be a pure 350, not 350 walking in one direction and then riding in a Hummer back to home. Personally, I’d just walk in circles for 350 miles to truly reflect the Movement, but that’s his Action, not mine. So what we’re looking for, and maybe some of you can help with this, is some sponsorship to get us home without driving (cause that would burn more gas and who needs that?). So if anyone knows someone who could hook us up with an airfreight company, one that has those big 747 freighters they use on the Space Shuttle, or maybe that Russian plane with like 400 wheels and 10 engines on it, that’ll be how we get home.
So, all of you who have Hummers (even the little baby ones are ok, I’ve got the real H1, and man is that sucker w i d e), or connections to airfreight get back to me. Let’s raise some awareness!
Bruce Cobb (04:54:55) : “climate clown”
I like that. A lot. Succinct and gets right to the point.
“If humanity wishes to preserve a planet similar to that on which civilization developed
Not only did civilization (Ur) first develop at the time of the Holocene Optimum when global temperatures were between 2C and 3C warmer than today, but archeologists have concluded that the warmer drier world of the Holocene optimum resulted in the centralized irrigation system that led to the development of the city of Ur, writing, astronomy and all that other civilization stuff.
Why am I not surprised that these people have no idea how and why civilization developed.
Let me get this right 350 miles in 35 days equals 10 miles a day Right?. I walk my dog 4 Miles every day of the week and 10 or more on the weekends whats the big deal?. How much Carbon are these people going to spew just getting to their media stunt? I mean if carbon was really the problem they say, wouldn’t they all just do their walks from their homes and have all their meetings at Go To My PC and lead by example? JUST ASKING.
Anthony – Will you keep an eye on the weather during the hike and periodically report how chilly they are.
“JamesG (03:47:51) :
Opinion is one thing. Extremist hate-mongering (eg Al Gore’s Holy hologram) is entirely different. Are you going to leave up all such wingnut comments?”
JamesG accusing me of extremist hate mongering because I said that dropping below 300ppm would result in crop failures, starvation and lower population, which is exactly what the greens would love?
JamesG (03:47:51) :
Go look up the definitions of “sarcasm” and “satire” and then read Jonathan Swift’s “A Modest Proposal”. The “solutions” proposed by the jihadists of the AGW movement are in fact a sentence of death for millions. Phil Carver is a Ph.D. economist and should damn well know what the effects would be… you’ll notice he is busy arguing climate science over at Oregon Live but hasn’t had anything to say about his specialty… nothing about the benefits of the green economy and how it will spread prosperity to all peoples and all generations… because there is nothing he CAN say without becoming the laughing-stock of his profession.
All that being said, other postings urging suicide on the AGW types are just a trifle too similar to those of dhogaza over at RC and OM and whom we all tend to agree is one piece of work….
Interesting vehicle test result – BMW M3 beats Toyota Prius in fuel economy test…
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/24/2445.asp
Jim Hansen is taking a whole month off from work? I wonder if it will be charged against his vacation time, whether he is paid or not matters little. After all, as a near lifetime gubmint employee (plus academic) he should be eligible for probably 8-12 weeks off annually, plus a few months of accumulated sick leave. Unlike the American working class for which he works, of course.
But I digress. I see the sponsors say they can only provide food for those making the entire trip. I wonder how that works. Do we have a clue who’s bankrolling this, or if the “volunteer celebrities” will be provided with an honorarium. Will food be obtained locally along the walk route? (I’d like to see them procure the runners favorite high-potassium content food (bananas) from local growers, too. After all, isn’t it all about being local and “sustainable”? Or will the food all be transported from place to place and cooked by a (paid) staff that will ride in a van, bus or multiple autos?
If they really want to make it something, they ought to eat only what they harvest or buy along the way, or carry with them. Otherwise they should have to haul what they need with them (like backpackers must), INCLUDING THEIR TRASH (“Pack it in. Pack it out!”). I’d allow tents, as opposed to shelters made from local materials as would be done for wilderness survival.
We REALLY need a team to get the details, and to get photos of campsites and so forth. See if they live up to the ideals of low impact living…
REPLY: I don’t think he’ll do anything except participate in a kickoff event somewhere. There are dozens in the USA. He’ll probably choose one within driving distance. – Anthony
“”” From Sept. 20 to Oct. 24, I and a small group of other people will walk “””
Hey, earth to Phil, what does that statement mean ? Could you do the walk with a small group of people who aren’t “other people” ?
Why not just go for a walk with a small group of people ?
A local, long established hardware store loves to advertise their four inch pot plants on the radio; with the statement, that “these pot plants are just one of the 40,000 other products they have in the store.”
No Mr advertiser; you have it exactly wrong; your ad should read;- “These plants are NOT one of the 40,000 other products you have in your store.”
I think I’m going to learn to read and write Korean; English is rapidly becoming extinct.
So just who is David Suzuki; is he the motor bike magnate ?
Mark Fawcett (02:39:18) :
OT – Anthony, I assume you’ve already picked-up on this one:
http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2009/09/debate-with-marc-morano.html?showComment=1253023640668#c626145068632737754
All I can say is that it’s another one to put in the scrap book for sending back to the originator in about 10 years’ time…
What a numpty.
Mine is off topic also… I think I have answered Bloom’s post appropriately. I’m fed up with those comparisons.
@boudu
Hey! I grew up in Severn Stoke, three miles up the road from Upton to Worcester. We used to walk the hills all the time.
George E. Smith, David Suzuki is a fixture in Canadian television. He used to have a “science” show called “The Nature of Things”, and with the CBC being almost a complete monopoly prior to getting cable (and, thankfully, US stations) pretty much all Canadians know who he is.
Actually, he’s one of the most ignorant, mouthy, annoying twits in the history of television. He was the idiot pushing our even more idiotic Prime Minister at the time to sign into Kyoto (Jean Chretien claimed “we need kyoto to stop the acid rain” or some such). Yappy Suzuki is constantly griping about something, and actually has followers (I have no idea why).
The David Suzuki foundation at http://www.davidsuzuki.org is almost worth visiting just to laugh at, except they don’t really deserve the hits (hint: they’re excited that they have 3000 readers!) I despise communists, have you noticed?
10 miles a day? Anyone who has ever backpacked in the Sierra Nevada will be laughing out loud. That’s the distance you cover in two or three hours up and over Farewell Gap; over the next pass and down to the Kern River in a single day. 25+ miles. Not on a paved highway, by the way. Next day, you walk up the Kern River, make a left at Rattlesnake Creek and climb out over Franklin Pass (12,000ft+) and back to Mineral King. 52 miles in 2 days, including more than 10,000 feet of “uphill.” Just for fun, assume your left knee blows out in the first 15 miles. Been there, done that and, but for the knee, the project was 100+ miles in four days, ending in King’s Canyon. These ‘walkers’ are not only absurd, they are certified pussies.
But that’s pretty much the way it is these days. What used to be routine is now worthy of a Bronze Star. Read about WWI when troops routinely marched more than thirty miles, day after day, to reach an important site and then went to see the elephant the same day. Sheesh! Lefties, grow up.
Looks like there is a march going on in the UK as well except they are using horses:
http://www.climaterush.co.uk/whatnext.html
I doubt the two are coincidences.
There are times when the snip action is appropriate and there are times when it is just downright silly.
L (11:02:22) :
These ‘walkers’ are not only absurd, they are certified pussies.
A Kennedy march is a long-distance march of 50 miles (80 km), named after former American president John F. Kennedy’s following words uttered in 1963: “I think most American people are so weak, they can’t even walk fifty miles within twenty hours”. Kennedy marches have since been organised to prove John F. Kennedy wrong in this pessimistic view.
Then we are talking again with those people, GW is then just some strange thought in their minds, a hallucination at best.
Let’s hope for some cold and wet weather along the Oregon cost from Sept. 20 to Oct. 24 (sorry Oregonite skeptics!).
One thing I have noted: Starting on Sept.20, the Oregon Coastal weather should be fine.
However.As Octorber approaches things can and will be a bit nasty.Maybe they think Hansen’s super el nino is going to save them.Looking at today’s SST chart,Nino is looking rather flaccid.They can and will get a nasty surprise…
‘Ol man North Pacific is waiting…
“Why I’m walking 350mi?”
To show how worhtless your daily life is?
“daily life”
Finger lysdexia.
You’re too much of a wuss to run or bike?
Read this and you’ll get an idea of what a bozo this Suzuki guy is:
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=291604
The Ballad of Hansen?
“But I would walk five hundred miles
And I would walk five hundred more
Just to be the man who walks a thousand miles
To stroke my savior image some more”
Apologies to The Pretenders.
Mark (12:22:42) :
Read this and you’ll get an idea of what a bozo this Suzuki guy is:
Uh! Oh! You’ve insulted Bozo… 😉
[snip snip snip snip snip snip]
If one is in good health, one could cover about 24 mi in eight hours, at a normal walking. I’m not as old as Hansen, but running behind him by some 12 years, regarding my age; except for these days of A (H1N1) in my bronchi, I use to walk one mile in five to seven minutes, or ~22 miles in eight hours. I have done 35 miles in 12.5 hours (~2.8 mi/h), from Santa Catarina’s plaza to El Diente (The Tooth); of course, one way walking only, and getting back in bus.
Cough! Cough! Heh… 🙂
Desmond Tutu is going to America to walk 350 miles in a month?
Not bad for a 78 year old.
Goreacle Report from BBC.
“Walrus have been seen on Alaska’s north coast in unusual numbers”
“But scientists note the long-term trend is still downwards.”
No worry: It’s an AGW “Pause”.
…-
“Pause in Arctic’s melting trend
By Richard Black
Environment correspondent, BBC News website
This summer’s melt of Arctic sea ice has not been as profound as in the last two years, scientists said as the ice began its annual Autumn recovery.
At its smallest extent this summer, on 12 September, the ice covered 5.10 million sq km (1.97 million sq miles).
This was larger than the minima seen in the last two years, and leaves 2007’s record low of 4.1 million sq km (1.6 million sq miles) intact.
But scientists note the long-term trend is still downwards.
Arctic temperatures have been cooler this year than last, researchers said, and winds have helped disperse sea ice across the region.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8261953.stm
What’s the big deal about 350 miles?
Didn’t Forrest Gump walk two and a half times across the USA before stopping in the middle of the desert to the consternation of his followers?
C’mon solidarity walkers. At least beat Forrest Gump.
Dear 350.org,
Gaia gave you oil so that you could fuel industry, develop spaceships and then fly away forever. So what do you? You walk…back to Eden like a Neanderthal and try to drag everyone along with you!
Yours sincerely,
A follower of the Enlightenment who is amused at the counter movement – the Enfrightenment!
Why should it take over a month to walk 350 miles? Are they going to walk for 2 hours, and eat drink and fish the the rest of the time?
@ L (11:02:22) : “10 miles a day? Anyone who has ever backpacked in the Sierra Nevada will be laughing out loud. ………………..”
Thanks. Brought back some old memories of some of my training at Quantico 30 years ago 😀 . 6 miles of muddy trails thru the hills, with stops every mile for situps, pushups, pullups, etc. Best time was ~47 minutes. I was 34 at the time.
RE:
“Patrick Davis (06:08:07) :
Hey Anthony, you are being dissed on ABC, Australia, tonight by a Chris Mooney (May have the name wrong). Apparently you are extreme.
REPLY: He must be an excellent journalist, since he’s able to determine this without ever having so much as sent me an email or a telephone call. Telepathic perhaps. – Anthony”
——
Chris Mooney didn’t like the fact that Watt’s Up With That won the blog award for science. Anthony you have alarmed the alarmists. Good work!!!
Also here is Jennifer Marohasy’s take on Chris Mooney’s rant last night:
http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/09/leigh-sales-smears-scientific-scepticism/
Lucia (14:12:06) :
Why should it take over a month to walk 350 miles? Are they going to walk for 2 hours, and eat drink and fish the the rest of the time?
That’s because it’s a misleading statement to say that they are walking for climate change awareness.
The reality of it is: They are Trotting for Trillions down Oregon’s Yellow Brick Road, where it’s paved with pure Green gold, don’tcha know. They are truly “Following the Money”.
Big difference.
I’d be far more impressed with this loon if he were to hike 350 miles along the Appalachian Trail starting at Mt Katahdin on September 20th. Should be a piece of cake what with all the Global Warming and everything.
2,000 years ago, it was All roads lead to Rome.
Today, it’s All roads lead to Global Warming.
In Rome’s day, there was something to be found when you got there.
Today, however, if you follow the roads to where Global Warming is supposed to be, all you find is a dead end and a note nailed to a tree.
It says “Sucker”.
Jeremy (12:27:34) :
The Ballad of Hansen?
“But I would walk five hundred miles
And I would walk five hundred more
Just to be the man who walks a thousand miles
To stroke my savior image some more”
Apologies to The Pretenders.
Are you apologising to The Pretenders for thinking they were The Proclaimers?
😉
Nasif Nahle (13:06:32) :
I use to walk one mile in five to seven minutes, or ~22 miles in eight hours.
You might want to double check those figures Nasif.
I did the Lyke Wake Walk in 12 hours 20 mins. 39.7 miles.
I think he should start at the Oregon coast and head west :/
tallbloke (16:13:45) :
Nasif Nahle (13:06:32) :
I use to walk one mile in five to seven minutes, or ~22 miles in eight hours.
You might want to double check those figures Nasif.
I did the Lyke Wake Walk in 12 hours 20 mins. 39.7 miles.
Hah! Thanks for the observation. I should have written “I use to walk one mile in five to seven minutes; I’ve done ~22 miles in eight hours.”
I don’t know why I wrote it that way. Must be the flu… sure! 🙂
If they’d broadcast live 350 miles of hunting and gathering, that I’d watch.
tallbloke (16:13:45) :
I did the Lyke Wake Walk in 12 hours 20 mins. 39.7 miles.
Really? Are you a Dirger? 🙂
The only reason I still subscribe to the Oregonian is because I have no other source for local news (the TV stations generally cover what is already in the paper), the comics, and the shopping coupons. It has turned into one big religious tract for AGW. I don’t believe there is one person on the paper who honestly did a science based research paper in college (or high school for that matter); and I wonder if any of them actually ever took a hard science class.
Obnoxious. As if anyone will be impress by their histrionics. What exactly is the “carbon footprint” to travel to Oregon?
We’re off on the road to Portland
This warming is tough on the ice
Where they’re goin’, why we’re goin’, how can we be sure
I’ll lay you eight to five that we’ll meet Al Gore
Off on the road to Portland
Hang on till the end of the line
I hear this country’s where they do the dance of the carbon credits
We’d tell you more but we would have Jim on our temp site edits
We certainly do get around
Like Al Gores incon-vient truth we’re Portland bound
‘NoAstronomer (10:52:16) :
@boudu
Hey! I grew up in Severn Stoke, three miles up the road from Upton to Worcester. We used to walk the hills all the time.’
I know it well ! Walked there a few times too . . .
And here’s how the UK enviromentalists like to do things:
http://dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/128039/Green-activists-target-Jeremy-Clarkson-in-horse-poo-protest
Great stuff, can’t wait for a broadside from Clarkson on the next series of top-gear…
The greater the number of these kinds of stunts, the more the general public will be turned off the doom-n-gloom, bring it on :o)
Cheers
Mark
Walking, I think, is the only answer, if you need to get somewhere in a hurry and yet mind your environmental footprint.
Public Transport is not the answer!
They do NOT want Al Gore on the march. It will take forever as Al stops for every photo op. And, when they reach 350, Al will demand a recount.
Mark Fawcett (04:00:59) :
Hope Carkson puts the manure on his Roses.Hate to let it go to waste you know.
Love “Top Gear”….
Sad that the original Oregon Trail pioneers walked from St Louis Missouri to Oregon and California – starting mid to late May, arriving some 2100 miles later (kids, mules, wagons, women, and babies mostly intact) before the snows closed the mountain passes in September.
With less carbon foorprint than Gore’s multiple houses.
3 mph walking 10 hours per day, on nice even edge-of-the-pavement (ugh = asphalt and blasting rocks!). They can take some time for lunch even. Still have lots of time to take the tents out of the trailing RV’s and sleep. (Will they wash off in the pristine (er, cold) streams going under the highway?)
tallbloke (16:13:45) :
I did the Lyke Wake Walk in 12 hours 20 mins. 39.7 miles.
I thought it was 42 miles from the hill next to the microwave relay station above Osmotherly to Ravenscar.
My dad did the walk too, though I can’t remember how long he took.
Took photos along the way, one of which was an adder, (a mildly poisonous snake).
He also saw seagulls microwaved in mid-flight at Fylingdales.
DaveE.
Global cooling is causing bears to attack people in Quebec.
There have been an abnormally high number of bear sightings north of Montreal this summer. Wildlife officials have said that cool, rainy weather in recent months has produced a smaller berry crop this year. That’s left the animals to search for other sources of food.
A.rctic’s C.onstant O.scillation R.eported N.efariosly
Major mistake!!! I have to thank you again, Tallbloke. Let me try it again, I was saying a colosal lie! I’m not the roadrunner. here the corrected text:
“I use to walk one mile in 15 to 17 minutes; I’ve done ~22 miles in eight hours.”
Regards,
Nasif Nahle
posted by chuckwiese on the Oregonlive.com comments section to the story
September 18, 2009, 6:08PM
Phil Carver: I listened to the 58 minute piece of work you call science, put on by Professor Naomi Oreskes.
There is no science in her lecture. The only thing she did was use her time to smear and discredit the respectable physicists, Fred Singer and the late Fredeick Seitz for their work to discredit the AGW movements claim the science about AGW is settled.
Instead of using science to make her point, she claimed without offering any proof of AGW that the only reason Seitz and Singer don’t believe in AGW is political and tied to special interest groups such as the tobacco lobby.
Miss Oreskes offers such a convoluted opinion about two respectable scientist without being one or trained in climate expertise herself. Miss Oreskes is a professor of history and not a very good one. As someone who is not, I know the history of radiation physics better than her, or she deliberately left out some important discoveries and conclusions along the way. Between Tyndall, Arhenius and the 1970’s there were two respectable scientists she forgot to mention who’s opinions about CO2 are contrary to her claimed “consensus” ( which doesn’t exist ) that supports the AGW hypothesis. They are Alfred Schack and William Elsasser. Both were physicists and Elsasser was from Harvard. Schack was the first guy to come along and measure the specific absorbing wavelengths of IR from CO2 and determined they are sufficiently long so that CO2 acts more as a facilitator of transporting thermal energy out of the troposphere rather than act as creating a true greenhouse effect to the earths surface. He also discovered the higher energy absorption bands near 4 microns which become active in high pressure combustion chambers. William Elsasser was the first physicist using quantum mechanics born out of the Planck/Einstein era to actually compute CO2’s absorption spectra in the troposphere at the 15 micron wavelength and create a working model of it coupled to water vapor that can be used by meteorologists. Elsasser’s radiation model is still considered the “gold standard” of other models used in radiation calculations and was republished in “Atmospheric Radiation” by Goody and Yung less than ten years ago. But unlike what Oreskes claims is “consensus science” concerning Co2, Elsasser’s work never contended CO2 could modify the earth’s radiation balance and alter climate. This position was taught at all major Universities during the 70’s. I know. I was at Oregon State University and studied Elsasser’s work. Back then, if anyone would have asserted that CO2 can modify the earths radiative balance and cause climate change, they would not have passed any courses in atmospheric science. This opinion contradicts the founding work. Since then nothing has changed except the advent of computer climate models which supplanted the founding work with unprovable construct that has already failed in many respects.
For it was this subject, along with claims that side band absorption from CO2 is significant to the climate system that concerns any skeptic. This is what concerned Seitz and Singer. There has been no proof offered that this is important to the earth’s climate system to date, and no measurements of the claimed radiative forcing. There has been provable failure of climate modeling to emulate this signal in the tropics, which would be a red flag to any respectable scientist. Oreskes doesn’t even mention this in support of asserting AGW is a true and scientifically proven argument which makes her lecture scientifically frivolous.
Oreskes attacked Seitz and Singer as being dishonest and outdated charlottans who’s recent work was only to keep the pot stirred, lie and create doubt about AGW. But, she conveniently left out the despicable traits of some of the people she reveres as true and honest scientists. One such person was professor Justin Lancaster who had some sort of political tie to the Clinton White House when Gore was in power as our VP. Gore’s new book back in the early 90’s “Earth In The Balance” was released at about the same time an artice was published that contradicted his beliefs about AGW from the late respectable Geophysicist, Roger Revelle. Singer and Revelle knew each other well and were friends through their careers. But Gore didn’t like Revelle’s contradictory article to his newly published book, and misused his political power in the White House to pressure Lancaster to get Singer to retract the article after Revell’s untimely death, since both Singer and Revelle worked on the article together before it was published. Singer, being a respectable and honest guy refused to put words in a dead mans mouth he knew were never intended and said, which led to professor Lancaster making untruthful and defamatory statements about Singer, claiming he put Revelle up to the task of publishing his article and then changed his opinions on it after his death and before it was published, taking advantage of what Lancaster referred was a non functional and senile Roger Revelle, which was all a lie.
Professor Lancaster was sued by Singer for defamation and slander and lost. He was forced into making a retraction to his vicious comments about Singer. I have a copy of this retraction by Lancaster and I will reproduce it for anyone interested in it.
Where was Oreske’s discussion about this since she spent all of her time on talking about academic dishonesty of skeptics and called Seitz and Singer just that?
This is far too typical of people like you. You can’t defend your preposterous statements about CO2 and climate when attacked on the merits of science, so you piss in the wind dumping on credible scientists with whom you disagree with, just like Gore and Lancaster did with Singer, and all of the other skeptics you and Oreskes claim don’t exist. And then, she, like you dismisses the opinion of a meteorologist and the likes as a “nobody”, not worth paying attention to.
If you and Oreskes are concerned about dishonesty, I suggest you start addressing it by first looking in the mirror. This is pathetic and transparent.
And by the way, Oreskes is wrong when she claimed scientists have concluded the absorption bands of CO2 and water vapor are completely separate wih no overlap. The HITRAN and other spectra used in radiation models clearly have the bands overlapping at several wavenumbers that reduce the effective absorption of CO2 in the presence of water vapor by 30%.
Her temperature chart that claims unprecedented warming of the arctic is also bogus and misleading. She used the data base of comparison for 2001 thru 2005 from the last cooling trend between 1951 and 1980. The trends are entirely different depending on the average sets used. Have her try using a 100 year mean. The arctic would not show near the warming then as the PDO shift to warm phase in 1977 was unprecedented and coupled near the peak of the Grand Solar maximum of 1960. This is more academic dishonesty to promote the falsely claimed projection skill of climate models.
Chuck Wiese
Meteorologist
PHIL CARVER WROTE:
“If you will actually watch the video of the Naomi Oreskes’ lecture at
http://www.uctv.tv/search-details.asp?showID=13459
you will see that the U.S. National Academies of Science through both Republican and Democratic administrations fully investigated and supported the AGW theory multiple times since 1979, including during the administrations of Reagan, GHW Bush and GW Bush. This is available by examining the NAS web site. What possible reason would there be for the NAS and the GW Bush administration to engage in a vast conspiracy to suppress anti-AGW science? The NAS is not just climate scientists.
The AWG denier claims fail the test of the scientific method. They do not propose consistent logical explanations that can make falsifiable predictions. Many of the people and institutions that are AWG deniers also denied the acid rain theory, the stratospheric ozone depletion theory, and the connections between pollution and smoking and disease. “
If the zealots succeed, eventually we’re all walking.
“Gene Nemetz (23:21:54) :
Was anyone here aware that David Suzuki receives funding from petroleum companies?
I have heard Suzuki claim that he does not accept money from the petroleum sector, but, you are correct, he does indeed accept such funds. Such payments are mostly from Canadian companies who want to stay off his particular radar, so the pay protection money.
David Suzuki was once a middling geneticist, then he got caugth up in hearing his own voice on Canada’s national broadcast system the CBC first with a radio program called Quirks and Quarks then with The Nature of Things on CBC TV. He believes that Kyoto is a binding law and that our prime minister and his cabinet should be trhown in jail for not obeying that law.
Like Al Gore, Suzuki is in the do as I say category, and like Gore and Hansen, he believes too much of his own press.
The deSmog blog was put in place by his friends in the advertizing industry to support his whakky ideas. Enough said.