NOAA: Warmest Global Sea-Surface Temperatures for August and Summer

From the NOAA press release, just in time for Copenhagen. Of course the satellite record for August tells another story that is not quite so alarming as NCDC’s take on it.

AMS Fellow and CCM, Joe D’Aleo of ICECAP has this to say about it:.

Icecap Note: to enable them to make the case the oceans are warming, NOAA chose to remove satellite input into their global ocean estimation and not make any attempt to operationally use Argo data in the process. This resulted in a jump of 0.2C or more and ‘a new ocean warmth record’ in July. ARGO tells us this is another example of NOAA’s inexplicable decision to corrupt data to support political agendas.

http://www.icecap.us/

– Anthony

East-west hemisphere anomaly.

Global surface temperature anomalies for the month of August 2009. Temperature is compared to the average global temperature from 1961-1990.

Visualization of world’s land and ocean surface temperature.

High resolution (Credit: NOAA)

The world’s ocean surface temperature was the warmest for any August on record, and the warmest on record averaged for any June-August (Northern Hemisphere summer/Southern Hemisphere winter) season according to NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C. The preliminary analysis is based on records dating back to 1880.

NCDC scientists also reported that the combined average global land and ocean surface temperature for August was second warmest on record, behind 1998. For the June-August 2009 season, the combined global land and ocean surface temperature was third warmest on record.

Global Highlights – Summer

  • The June-August worldwide ocean surface temperature was also the warmest on record at 62.5 degrees F, 1.04 degrees F above the 20th century average of 61.5 degrees F.
  • The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the June-August season was 61.2 degrees F, which is the third warmest on record and 1.06 degrees F above the 20th century average of 60.1 degrees F.

Global Highlights – August

  • The worldwide ocean surface temperature of 62.4 degrees F was the warmest on record for any August, and 1.03 degrees F above the 20th century average of 61.4 degrees F.
  • Separately, the global land surface temperature of 58.2 degrees F was 1.33 degrees F above the 20th century average of 56.9 degrees F, and ranked as the fourth warmest August on record.
  • Large portions of the world’s land mass observed warmer-than-average temperatures in August. The warmest departures occurred across Australia, Europe, parts of the Middle East, northwestern Africa, and southern South America. Both Australia and New Zealand had their warmest August since their records began.
  • The Southern Hemisphere average temperatures for land and ocean surface combined were the warmest on record for August.

Other Notable Developments

Current sea ice extent as measured by NOAA’s GOES, POES, and DMSP satellites.

High resolution (Credit: NOAA)

  • For the year to date, the combined global land and ocean surface temperature of 58.3 degrees F tied with 2003 for the fifth-warmest January-August period on record. This value is 0.99 degree F above the 20th century average.
  • According to the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC), Arctic sea ice covered an average of 2.42 million square miles during August. This is 18.4 percent below the 1979-2000 average extent, and is generally consistent with a decline of August sea ice extent since 1979.
  • NSIDC data indicated Antarctic sea ice extent in August was 2.7 percent above the 1979-2000 average. This is consistent with the trend during recent decades of modest increases in August Antarctic sea ice extent.

Watch NOAA’s visualization of the world’s land and ocean surface temperature.

NOAA understands and predicts changes in the Earth’s environment, from the depths of the oceans to surface of the sun, and conserves and manages our coastal and marine resources.

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100 thoughts on “NOAA: Warmest Global Sea-Surface Temperatures for August and Summer

  1. It was a warm August in New Zealand but May and June were very cold. The Waikato valley where I live had the coldest May on record according to the local newspaper. September has had a number of very cold late frosts as well.

  2. Sure comes as a surprise, the coolest weather for this time of year that we can remember here in Tulsa, but we are only one small data point… I guess those politicians are going to do whatever they want anyway.
    We seem to win all the battles yet still lose the war!

  3. Its very interesting that record cool temps for major regions of the American continent have been recorded but magically NOAA has high records…..
    I smell a fish… a dead fish….

  4. BTW I believe the owner of Solar 24 is definitely not a skeptic (As listed here). Its a “no comment/opinion” on the matter site.. I think from what I see (although the blog comments seem to be skeptical generally.

  5. I notice a “hotspot” at the southern tip of South America. Could that be related to steam, hot gases, and hot ash the Chaiten volcano in Chile?

  6. “NOAA understands and predicts changes in the Earth’s environment, […]”
    Here we go with this nonsense again. They really should change “understands and predicts” to “tries to understand & predict” …but perhaps honesty isn’t the objective.

  7. “this is another example of NOAA’s inexplicable decision to corrupt data to support political agendas.”
    Sadly, too much of our government is being aligned to support political agendas rather than reality. The EPA and such operations as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are other examples. Forget the reality, we must support the theme!
    I don’t know which is worse; the corruption of science or the billions of dollars that are wasted from such idiocy.

  8. I’ve heard quite a bit about the seas being the hottest they’ve ever been this year. I’ve also come to believe that hot seas equals an increase in hurricanes. Clearly, that hasn’t happened this year. Does anyone have a theory as to why? Are the seas not as hot as advertised, as the satellites suggest? Is there no relationship between ocean temps and hurricanes? Does el little somehow affect the Gulf of Mexico?

  9. i know this may be incredibly simplistic, but i wonder if the oceans are releasing heat. someone please blast me because i can’t stop thinking this, but i know it is probably absurd!

  10. There are those of us who have stopped coming to the SC24 cheerleading practice ‘games’.
    Would you expect your 0-16 team to suddenly turn around in one season and go 19-0 all the way to the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl? Ridiculous.
    I do not trust this cycle, it’s too flaky.
    The spot heard round the bend in STEREO Behind might make it, and it might get snuffed.
    Want to call the odds?
    We all know this summer was late, we know the melt was short in the Arctic and the freeze is early. We all know the data is being railroaded, stuffed into a blender and candy-coated with hot sauce and injected into a GCM computer to present at Copenhagen. Isn’t that special?

  11. ” Is there no relationship between ocean temps and hurricanes? ”
    Or no relationship between global temps and NOAA reports?

  12. Didn’t we just read that June-August 2009 was the 32d coldest for that period at 0.4°F below the 20th century average? Now the story is “The world’s ocean surface temperature was . . . the warmest on record averaged for any June-August” and “the global land surface temperature of 58.2 degrees F was 1.33 degrees F above the 20th century average of 56.9 degrees F, and ranked as the fourth warmest August on record.”
    How can that be? How can the UAH measurements show a 0.19°C anomaly for August and this new NASA report show a 0.723°C anomaly?
    Lucy! You got some ‘splainin’ to do.

  13. Kevin (21:50:52) :
    The hurricanes are regularly observed to grow over very warm waters.
    Forecasters have learned to accurately work with it.
    They surely did not find warmer water this season.

  14. rbateman (22:03:21) :
    Kevin (21:50:52) :
    The hurricanes are regularly observed to grow over very warm waters.
    Forecasters have learned to accurately work with it.
    They surely did not find warmer water this season.
    Well the facts come out and NOAA is again on the short end of the stick.. Too Funny!!

  15. If “NOAA understands and predicts changes in the Earth’s environment, from the depths of the oceans to surface of the sun”, then surely it could replace all those bureaucrats with a couple of archivists and a software support engineer. Samantha knows a couple of old archivists! (for those in the UK)

  16. Kevin (21:50:52) :Does el little somehow affect the Gulf of Mexico?
    El Pequeno [and he is a little guy ain’t he?] affects the entire Atlantic basin.
    Regardless…very good point about the sea temps.
    They don’t seem to be translating into the Shakespearian Katrina-Rita-Wilma bitches of 2005, no doubt.
    Something is VERY fishy with the NOAA report.
    Chris
    Norfolk, VA, USA

  17. Perth (SW Western Australia) had a cool wet and overcast August, but there were very warm temperatures recorded over in the eastern states for the month. What confuddles me is this… why are both the poles showing increasing ice coverage if the ocean surface temps are so warm? What the heck is keeping the poles frozen?
    Note how they neglect to mention the increased Arctic ice coverage for the last 2 years by looking back to earlier averages? As Aesop said:
    “We can easily represent things as we wish them to be.”
    Lies, damned lies, statistics… and then there’s modelling…

  18. When weather forecasting becomes subject to politics, our climate has to suffer.
    At least we know they screw us.
    Fortunately we can rely on Anthony and our Sun.
    They are respectably spot on and spotless.

  19. Once again:
    Earth has been warming for about 17,000 years. I used to say 19,000 but recent publications claim the lesser number. There have been interruptions, most recently for the Little Ice Age, then the warming resumed. Nothing has changed as far as anyone knows so it should not be surprising that recent years are near the top of the heap for warmth. It would be quite surprising if summer was only the 100th warmest since 1880.
    NOAA seems not to be able to measure temperature let alone understand it. Same about Arctic Sea ice and energy in the oceans.
    For NOAA to not mention the growing Arctic Sea ice is outrageously stupid.

  20. Think NOAA wll end up with egg on their faces, like the good old Met office have already. The politics of weather (climate) will completely destroy the reputaons of these once respected organisations.
    Trust them? – not with a bargepole :-((

  21. We absolutely, definitely did not have above average temperatures in August in the UK. For me the hottest year ever in the UK was 1976. I was in the sea everyday for the entire summer holiday. I went in once this year, in August. It was cold.

  22. “vg (21:34:17) :
    BTW I believe the owner of Solar 24 is definitely not a skeptic”
    solarcycle24.com started as a service for radio amateurs, like VE3EN himself.
    Radio amateurs thinks of sun spots in a very different way from the climate change crowd.
    The quality of the site have created a lot of traffic from warmers, skeptics, spaceweather fanatics and many others.
    /Mikkel

  23. So if the ARGO and satellite data sets were included, what would the number be? And are they comparing this month without those data sets to previous years that did include them?
    I can’t speak for the ocean temps (I only walk on the beach, I don’t go in), but August in Connecticut was very pleasant but not exceptionally warm. September has been very pleasant, too, but the leaves started changing late last week, almost a month early for this area. I didn’t think it was cool enough to do that yet…

  24. Global ice increased as sea-surface temperature hit a high! You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time!

  25. “For me the hottest year ever in the UK was 1976”
    I remember that year. The year of the century for continental white wines. In 1980 or so I was in a K-Mart in the US and found a bottle of 1976 Mosel Spätlese just sitting there on the rack. My eyes about popped out of my head.
    It is almost enough to make one cry to think about how much of that stuff we put away back then just sitting around shooting the breeze with friends. Brings back fond memories.

  26. Phillip Bratby (22:11:16) : If “NOAA understands and predicts changes in the Earth’s environment, from the depths of the oceans to surface of the sun”, then surely it could replace all those bureaucrats with a couple of archivists and a software support engineer. Samantha knows a couple of old archivists! (for those in the UK)
    I know a good software support Engineer 😉
    Sekerob (23:39:48) : HadSST2 must be in the conspirators chamber too I suppose. Their August global anomaly figure is also 2nd warmest on record, starting 1850.
    It doesn’t require a conspiracy theory to have “group think” and folks sucking their own exhaust.
    http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2009/09/14/gistemp-pas-dun-coup/
    Perhaps if Hadley would publish their code and methods we could see just how much is directly lifted from the methods of Hansen et. al. and thus subject to the same errors:
    http://chiefio.wordpress.com/category/agw-and-gistemp-issues/
    If nothing else, since they are using the same thermometers and those have been by and large located near the tarmac at airports, they are feeding on the same broken data:
    http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2009/09/08/gistemp-islands-in-the-sun/

  27. crosspatch (23:28:24) :
    “For me the hottest year ever in the UK was 1976″
    I remember that year. The year of the century for continental white wines.

    But surely all the wine-growers tell us that the win will lose it ‘soul’ if the weather gets a degree or two hotter. Obviously you must be mistaken about ’76 being a great year!
    But seriously, I recall ’76 in the UK very well. It was a fantastic summer, and my folks had just bought a house with a pool in the UK. Probably the only year it was worth having one there!
    Now I live in Sydney, and I’m still waiting for temps like we had in 2001/2. The temps seem to go down year by year, despite all this Al Gore Warming….

  28. Why would they include ARGO data? The ARGO floats are only on the surface once every 10 days. The rest of the time they are subsurface.
    And there are other float systems throughout the oceans.

  29. hmmm group think… there’s something about huge pots and kettles springing to mind and the black body effect when something is covered in snow or ice versus open water or bare land and disappearing glaciers. Must all be going by itself.
    Can you produce any actual August data set not corroborating, resoundingly and not by the 5th decimal, this besides speculation and the usual UHI distortion story? Maybe Dr. Roy & John have something that disagrees with the group-believe. Dr. Roy last month though did a re-analysis of his analysis and concluded what exactly?

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/08/31/spencer-always-question-your-results/
    So, why not ask Dr. Roy to do another run at this one? Maybe he realizes that Group Think is actually generating new and supportable ideas, in the long run and not one that changes with the wind direction.

  30. Didn’t we go over the NOAA record after the July figures were released. There were a number of interesting contributions from Roy Spencer. Eventually, it was decided there probably had been a record in July.
    Pieter F (22:01:37) :
    Didn’t we just read that June-August 2009 was the 32d coldest for that period at 0.4°F below the 20th century average? …..

    …. for the US. The US makes up ~2% of the surface area of the earth.
    How can that be? How can the UAH measurements show a 0.19°C anomaly for August and this new NASA report show a 0.723°C anomaly?
    UAH is measuring the temperature of the troposphere above the ocean. NOAA are measuring the Sea Surface Temperatures. In any case, the anomalies are relative to different time periods so it’s a meaningless comparison anyway. I keep trying to show this with the GISS v UAH comparsions, i.e. using the same base period, the GISS anomaly is often cooler than the UAH anomaly (e.g. July 2009) but, because the GISSanomaly is calculated relative to the cool 1951-80 period, the GISS numbers are higher. Since the early 1990s there is very litte difference in the trends.

  31. Stephen Skinner (22:48:04) :
    We absolutely, definitely did not have above average temperatures in August in the UK. For me the hottest year ever in the UK was 1976. I was in the sea everyday for the entire summer holiday. I went in once this year, in August. It was cold.

    For the UK, as a whole, temperatures were about 0.6 deg above the long term (1971-2000) average. There was a rough East/West split. In the West, temps were near normal while in the East they were generally above.
    Lack of sunshine does not necessarily mean low temperatures – particularly at night. Though the amount of sunshine was about average for August. 1976 was not an average summer, so any comparison here might be misleading.
    The warmest August for the UK was actually in 2003. The warmest month was July 2006.

  32. @ Kevin (21:50:52) :
    (From a previous post of mine last week:)
    For those of you interested in the possible relationship of AGW and hurricanes, I suggest this article:
    Vecchi, G.A., Swanson, K.L., & Soden, B.J. (2008). Whither hurricane activity?. Science. 322, 687-689.
    I am currently looking into this question and here is what I have found so far (there are literally <hundreds of articles in the past 5 years about this question):
    I see no conclusive evidence that AGW, by itself, is causing an increase in the frequency of Atlantic hurricanes. It appears that ENSO and NAO are still the major factors controlling frequency.
    I do see mounting evidence that increasing SSTs can cause more intense hurricanes (more wind, greater precipitation). Keep in mind that the power of wind increases as the cube of the wind speed. So the question then becomes how much higher are SSTs due to AGW, if at all? That question is very debateable.
    @ To everybody:
    Tamino did an estimate of how the year 2009 might end up regarding climate:
    http://tamino.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/crystal-ball/
    His estimate is that 2009 will end up being the 5th warmest on record.

  33. Australia looks to be generally overheated in the above image. Actually it is more localised in the centre. http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/silo/temp_maps.cgi?variable=maxanom&area=nat&period=month&time=latest
    If you go to this site and go back 3 months the effect diminishes. It is odd as nearby Lake Eyre, normally a dry salt lake has been filling. This interior ‘hot spot’ produced produced abnormal heat to the eastern states in August. Not sure of the cause of this,I do not think it is part of general pattern.

  34. Combining land surface temperatures and sea surface temperatures is a particularly meaningless metric, because SSTs measure the rate at which heat is transferred from the oceans to the atmosphere.
    As is repeatably pointed out here, GHGs have no effect on ocean temperatures. So increasing SSTs, along side increasing atmospheric temperatures, means the oceans, and hence the Earth’s climate, is cooling.
    Increasing land surface temperatures without increasing SSTs would be the signature of GHG warming.
    What we are seeing is the Earth’s climate cooling for reasons we don’t understand.
    I don’t know what concerns me more, the implications of a cooling climate or the willful collusion of scientists and political activists to manufacture the opposite perception.

  35. This follows what I have suspected for a long time. As I watch the ENSO region SST values from week to week I have long wondered why NOAA regularly has anomaly values so much higher than Unisys. I also wondered about the old trick of using yellow as zero on a graph that warms toward red. Now they are cherry picking data on this by ignoring ARGO and sat data and using a ’79-2000 basis. I am loathe to question anyone’s honesty, but here we are heading that way.
    Since we have seen so many agencies get onto the AGW bandwagon at any cost, is it unreasonable to ask for unfiltered raw ARGO and satellite data prior to the potentially biased gate keepers ‘adjustments’ ?
    crosspatch (23:28:24) :
    A K-Mart Spätlese? That is in a weird place between funny and shocking. ( K-Mart employee, ” A nice Mosel Spätlese? Sure it is right by the Gewürztraminer and the Piesporter Goldtropfchen, in the aisle right past the plastic stack up patio chairs…” )

  36. Surely now the pseudoscience spouted here that low sunspot numbers result in lower temperatures can finally be put out of our misery? Sunspot numbers go down…temperature soars….hmmmm.

    Bill H (21:32:08) :
    Its very interesting that record cool temps for major regions of the American continent have been recorded but magically NOAA has high records…..
    I smell a fish… a dead fish….

    I know you may think it but the USA is not the whole world, just a small piece of it.

    Stephen Skinner (22:48:04) :
    We absolutely, definitely did not have above average temperatures in August in the UK.

    As above but the UK is a much smaller piece!

    Kevin (21:50:52) :

    There are other factors in determining hurricane frequency, the prediction earlier this year for the North Atlantic was a low count due to developing El Nino conditions and the resulting increased wind shear. The Asian Pacific has has a number of large Typhoons, most recently typhoon Choi Wan which reached category 5 and is now at category 4 http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/wp200915.html

    Graeme Rodaughan (22:27:14) :

    If it is all so wrong then why are the same results being shown by AMSU-A for the lower troposphere? http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/
    Can’t explain them with bad placement or UHI can you?

    Al Gore’s Holy Hologram (23:25:21) :
    Global ice increased as sea-surface temperature hit a high! You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time!

    Hmmmm…. The facts don’t seem to support your mini rant do they? http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg. Anomolous global sea ice area would seem to be over a million square kilometers below the 1979-2000 mean…hmmm and continuing lack of sunspots should mean lower global temperatures…hmmm

    E.M.Smith (00:22:56) :
    Sekerob (23:39:48) : HadSST2 must be in the conspirators chamber too I suppose. Their August global anomaly figure is also 2nd warmest on record, starting 1850.
    It doesn’t require a conspiracy theory to have “group think” and folks sucking their own exhaust.

    Hmmmmm, let’s look at some quotes on this post….
    I guess those politicians are going to do whatever they want anyway.
    magically NOAA has high records…..
    …but perhaps honesty isn’t the objective.
    Sadly, too much of our government is being aligned to support political agendas ….
    When weather forecasting becomes subject to politics….

    Maybe now the markets are recovering it would be agood time to invest in tin foil milliners!

  37. vg writes “BTW I believe the owner of Solar 24 is definitely not a skeptic ”
    Kevin, the owner of http://www.solarcycle24.com, has NO views on AGW so far as I am aware. What happened was that he opened a message board to discuss HAM radio. It got flooded with people commenting on AGW. So he split his message board, with specific instructions that AGW must NOT be discussed where he and his friends talk about space weather and radio communications. With respect to AGW, he just lets anyone discuss what they like, with virtually no moderation.

  38. Mary Hinge (03:42:23) :
    As above but the UK is a much smaller piece!
    Of course, but in the animation it is shown as above average.

  39. Mary Hinge ,
    (is that an anagram?)
    “Surely now the pseudoscience spouted here that low sunspot numbers result in lower temperatures can finally be put out of our misery? Sunspot numbers go down…temperature soars….hmmmm.”
    Do please pay attention to this thread. We were shown, right at the beginning that the satellite data does not show this warming. We also know that the data excludes the Argo dataset, and I suspect that would also show a divergence.
    People are right to be cynical. If this is reported in the MSM as “NOAA sea surface temperatures show the warmest July and August readings of all time, BUT satellite data disagrees AND ARgo data has been excluded.” I won’t complain.
    But will they? Will They?

  40. Can a government agency be charged with RICO violations because James Hansen and GISS certainly being doing “criminal” activities to extort monies from the government research pool.

  41. Mary Hinge,
    “If it is all so wrong then why are the same results being shown by AMSU-A for the lower troposphere?.”
    Because the same results aren’t being shown. NOAA stated, and I quote, “The world’s ocean surface temperature was the warmest for any August on record.” Now, when I look at the AMSU-A data you so kindly provided, I notice that higher temperatures were recorded in 2005, 2006.
    Hmmm, as you would say.

  42. So the Argos tell us the oceans are cooling.
    the heat/energy has to go somewhere . . . is it any wonder the surface temps, that boundary layer between ocean/air is warm ?
    Kinda makes sense to have a warmer boundary layer.

  43. Pay more in taxes to the government, so the government can pretend those taxes are controlling the weather. Air tight scam.
    And isn’t this the real problem with government pretend scientists telling you it’s getting warm.

  44. Is it all that hot ocean water, “warmest on record,” that is responsible for the record number of tropical storms and hurricanes in the Atlantic this season? Oh wait…what tropical storms? What hurricanes?
    How long can their blatant lie continue?

  45. [snip] As it is a known fact argo buoys were adjusted because were showing a too pronounced cooling of the seas which didn´t agree with their “models”.

  46. @ Bob Tisdale
    ARGO may only surface only every 10 days, but it would still provide valuable comparison data. How often does ARGO release their data for public consumption?
    Since NOAA removed the OI.v2 data, was that for the entire record or just beginning last November?

  47. I love how NOAA somehow always shows the temps going up no matter what.I can just see it now .WORST WINTER ever and temps are warmest ever. Why is it so hard for those at NOAA to report accurate facts and not biased on the warm side?How much is Obama and AL paying you ?

  48. Does anybody know how to pull usable data out of the ARGO site. I went to the FTP service, but the files can be anything between 3-300 megabytes for each day, and look like gobbledegook (.nc file format, why not XML at least?), and what information can be read mostly looks extraneous. The http service takes ages to load and cannot “provide temperature data because the dataset is too big”.
    I can’t believe that with all that information, there isn’t somebody crunching the data and providing usable data from it. Is it being held back, I wonder?
    Seems an awful waste to be spending all that money deploying these and gathering data for it, and not to then use it.

  49. I noticed they said “sea surface” but not “total ocean heat”.
    Let me tell you a relevant story. A few weeks ago, I was on a beach vacation here in North Carolina. The Gulf Stream gives North Carolina that unique look on the eastern side, so the ocean here is very warm. Ocean surface temperatures were about 85 degrees F. And then, one day it was cool and rainy. Surface temperature fell to 75 and then crept back up to 80. I am no oceanographer or weather expert. But I think that sea surface temperatures have a volatility. Because of that, I believe it is the deep water temperature you should be concerned about. Please correct me if I am wrong.
    I do know hurricanes are heat engines, transporting heat from the tropics toward the polars. How many hurricanes have we had this year? In the Atlantic, 2 hurricanes and several tropical storms. But not many. In fact, the Atlantic tropics are quiet, nothing on the horizon for at least 3 days even though this is peak season. Hurricanes churn up the water. Since the ocean has been calmer due to fewer storms, I would expect that the deep water would stay deep. Since NOAA referred to surface water and total ocean heat content, they are clearly cherry-picking for their agenda.

  50. Joe D’Aleo:
    CORRECTION: In an earlier comment I wrote, “Why would they include ARGO data? The ARGO floats are only on the surface once every 10 days. The rest of the time they are subsurface.”
    I have looked and I cannot find a NOAA document that says they exclude ARGO data from their OI.v2 or ERSST.v3b datasets. On what are you basing your statement that “NOAA chose to… …not make any attempt to operationally use Argo data in the process?”
    Regards

  51. Vincent (04:58:26) :
    Do please pay attention to this thread. We were shown, right at the beginning that the satellite data does not show this warming.

    Errrr, it does, very clearly! Maybe you should just take a look at the satellite data yourself, there is a link to the AMSU site at the top left of this page. You really should check out the facts yourself instead of relying on misinformational opiniations.

  52. Considering the low TSI, we sure are lucky to have El Nino buying us a few more seasons of this lovely weather. I hate to see what’s gonna happen when oceans are no longer driving warmer temps. One elementary thought on warm(est) surface temps vs low hurricane activity: Are we missing the upper atmosphere/ troposphere conditions it takes to collide with the surface temps?? I know we had very warm troposphere data recently, but that’s the result of heat releasing from El Nino… not radiative forcing, right? In no way do I mean to pretend that I know what I’m talking about.

  53. Can anyone tell me how many times is this now?
    How many times has NOAA or NASA been caught cooking the climate books?
    In my mind it is at least 4 in the last two years.
    Remember when they graphed summer temps onto fall data? (Is it spelled graphed or graft???)
    How bout when they “recalculated” past temps downward? The only apparrently obvious reason being to create warmer present temperatures by contrast.
    How bout the continuing fiasco with the surface stations?
    Can someone give me a few prime examples to send to my new Florida Senator?

  54. Stephen Skinner (04:39:07) :
    Mary Hinge (03:42:23) :
    As above but the UK is a much smaller piece!
    Of course, but in the animation it is shown as above average

    That’s because they were, especially in the east of the country. The rotating globe shows this well.

  55. Steven Skinner, I remember 1976 as I graduated that year, it was stinking hot all year, the reservoirs had evaporated and we were having baths in 2″ of water. Before starting work I went down to the SW coast for a couple of months to see the best of summer out and as far as I remember the hot dry conditions were around virtually all year. Maybe there were some hotter days in the super hot 90’s but 1976 was the hottest year that I can remember overall.

  56. To be pure as a scientist, one must remain skeptical.
    So we are battling the question of increased surface temps causing hurricanes. We can aggree that hurricanes reduce surface temps. Heavy rainfall takes a lot of energy out by reason of condensation. We need a sister planet for controlled studies.

  57. This reminds me of the “Hippy-dippy Weatherman” back in the early ’60s, where missile defence amounted to the DEW-line with Nike missles solely anti-aircraft batteries.
    !Bam is dropping European defences just in time for Iranian extortion. Meanwhile, he’s given Israel an eviction notice: “Are there no empty ships? Find Zion on your own.”
    The strong horses are saddled and lathered. I wouldn’t sweat 0.2 C, it’ll be a whole bunch hotter shortly.

  58. I find this all very amusing. Everytime some miniscule data set comes to light everyone jumps up and down on each side. Geology was the subject that started me on this journey and from a strictly geologic viewpoint this entire discussion of “climate change” is silly. Of course their will be climate change! I am just so very thankful that i was born during an interglacial period, ice ages really suck. Warming is NOT the problem. Noone knows when the next ice age will start and it amazes me that we get so very excited over a .6 c change that may or may not have occured. We know for a fact we will see another ice age and yet noone is preparing for what we know for certain will be a catastrophic event that will kill millions if not billions of human beings. It is truly the silly season!

  59. Hey, they are showing a warm Northeast USA.
    They year in which the leaves started changing in Aug. Yeah, that is warm. No it’s not due to low rain fall. Also, tell me why farmers are having problems getting hay in? It’s not due to hot or dry.
    Does NASA really think no one can remember 1 month ago?

  60. Check this out. The chief “scientist” of California Air Resources Board (CARB) got his “degree” by mail order for $1000.

    Hien Tran admitted Dec. 10 to CARB that he lied about having a Ph.D. in statistics from UC Davis. Instead, Tran said, his Ph.D. was from “Thornhill.” Nevertheless, the air board still voted unanimously to adopt the rules based on his research Dec. 12 — without acknowledging Tran’s deception. Months and months later, Tran was demoted, but he still has a key role. Academic fraud, you see, is no big deal. The air board is on a mission. The normal concerns about making huge decisions based on tainted/flawed/untrustworthy/suspect research? The board couldn’t be bothered.

    As long as you are “in theme” it doesn’t matter if you lie, have a phony degree, whatever. The corruption of science continues.

  61. To date we have had a very tranquil tropical cyclone season in both the Atlantic and Pacific. Inasmuch as these TCs function to transport heat from the tropics to the poles, their absence may be a contributor to both SST warming (lack of heat engines draining cals) and what looks like some pretty frigid arctic weather (lack of tranported tropical energy).

  62. ” hswiseman (09:00:20) : ”
    That same thought occurred to me. Not a lot of tropical storms this year creating a large store of heat at depth.
    Wonder if we will have a bad year for Nor’easters on the East Coast this year.

  63. Facts matter less than perception when policy is the objective. The warmers control the funds, the journals, and the press. With the exception of Russia, China, and India, they control most of the major government bureaucracies and the UN.
    It should come as no surprise that that are willing to cherry pick data in advance of the most important policy meeting of this decade. They have been getting away with this tactic for over a decade. Their attack dogs marginalize any who dare to speak out against them.
    While I “hope” that this situation will “change” and that honest science once again become relevant, I do not see this happening soon.

  64. DR:You replied, “ARGO may only surface only every 10 days, but it would still provide valuable comparison data.”
    Do we know for a fact that NOAA does not use ARGO data in their ERSST.v3b and OI.v2 products? I can find nothing that says they do not other than the statement by Mr. D’Aleo.
    You asked, “How often does ARGO release their data for public consumption?”
    Here’s a link that may help you to find the answer to your question.
    http://www.argo.ucsd.edu/
    You wrote, “Since NOAA removed the OI.v2 data, was that for the entire record or just beginning last November?”
    OI.v2 SST data is still available.
    http://nomad3.ncep.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/pdisp_sst.sh?lite
    It’s updated weekly. I have heard of no plans to delete the OI.v2 dataset.

  65. masonmart (07:05:51) :
    Yes, I remember the forest fires that raged through the New Forest on a regular basis. One raged for over 5 days. As the weather was continues calm hot days without any clouds the sea became warmer than I have ever experienced in England. I was able to walk in without the usual 5 minute aclimatisation. What was disappointing was going to swim around the Dorset coast and finding the sea cold. The shallow sandy bay in Bournemouth and calm conditions allowed the sea to warm up here. Around the coast where there are no beaches and the sea floor drops away, the sea was it’s usual UK temp.

  66. Mary Hinge,
    If you look at the satellite data, August 2009 definately is NOT the warmest month ever, and there are several higher peaks preceding it, but NOAA have said that August IS the warmest on record. I would have thought folks are right to question this.
    However, that said, it is clear that surface temperatures are not a robust metric for climate change because they respond to ENSO events. At risk of going OT, we should be mainly interested in the global energy budget which should be revealed in ocean temperatures down to 750 meters, not surface temperatures. But hey, why spoil a good headline!

  67. “NOAA: Warmest Global Sea-Surface for August and Summer”
    So What!
    What relevence does this have to atmospheric CO2

  68. I think the most interesting thing in the article is that NOAA decided to drop sat data from the data set. That allowed for the apparent jump in temp.

  69. The greatest transport of energy out of a body of water is generally evapiration and not radiation or conduction. Just a bit less average surface winds would result in lower evapiration and higher surface temperatures due to less mixing of lower and higher air strata.
    Or maybe they are just fudging the data.

  70. From the NOAA press release, just in time for Copenhagen.
    Expect more research corruption and spin as the Copenhagen free loaders convention draws near.
    What the NOAA data distorters didn’t want you to see.

    The June-August worldwide ocean surface temperature was also the warmest on record.

    Only if you remove this.
    http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt74/MartinGAtkins/UAH-Jun2Aug.jpg

    The worldwide ocean surface temperature of 62.4 degrees F was the warmest on record for any August,

    Ditto.
    http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt74/MartinGAtkins/UAH-Aug.jpg

  71. Vincent (10:26:17) :
    “If you look at the satellite data, August 2009 definately is NOT the warmest month ever, and there are several higher peaks preceding it,…..”

    And higher peaks in September. You do realise the difference betwen the earths surface and tropospheric temperatures don’t you? This is also the third consecutive month of record SST’s.

    However, that said, it is clear that surface temperatures are not a robust metric for climate change because they respond to ENSO events

    Of course surface temperatures respond to ENSO events, even the most ardent creationists would probably agree! Mind you, during and after the strong La Nina in 2007 and 2008 that fact was conveniently forgotten by a number of contibutors. You can use previous ENSO events as a guide, surface and sea temperatures are now comparable to the extremely strong El Nino of ’98 and this developing El Nino is nowhere near as potent as that one, and don’ forget we are in a -PDO phase….and lets not mention the continuing quiet sun.

    Jim Turner (08:36:31) :
    Vincent (04:58:26) :
    Mary Hinge ,
    (is that an anagram?)

    No, it’s a spoonerism

    You are wrong to say it isn’t an anagram, it is. All Spoonerisms are anagrams, not all anagrams are Spoonerims!

    p.g.sharrow “PG” (00:14:56) :
    Th greatest transport of energy out of a body of water is generally evapiration [sic] and not radiation or conduction.

    This is how La Ninas result in lower SST’s, evaporation is much greater during a La Nina.

  72. Here in new zealand it was the warmest August on record(It was the warmest August since records began 155 years ago, with a national average temperature of 10.2°C (1.7°C above the long-term August average).
    We in 2009 have alot more weather stations reporting data than we did back when the old record was set. wouldnt be right to only use the same weather stations from back then to justfiy a ture temp comparison . in the last 50 years we have more than doubled the number of reporting sites.

  73. Mary Hinge (02:32:21) :
    This is how La Ninas result in lower SST’s, evaporation is much greater during a La Nina.

    Hmmm…. Cooler surface temps result in greater evaporation. Yeah, that works?

  74. Tim Clark (06:55:02) :
    Mary Hinge (02:32:21) :
    This is how La Ninas result in lower SST’s, evaporation is much greater during a La Nina.
    Hmmm…. Cooler surface temps result in greater evaporation. Yeah, that works?

    yes it does actually! Increased winds and drier air lead to increased evaporation. An interesting paper on oceanic transport of freshwater and the effects of ENSO is here: http://www.icess.ucsb.edu/esrg/papers/WG_WWR_96/glob_warm96.html
    “The most noticeable change is the sign reversal in the freshwater balance in the central Pacific Ocean. Evaporation exceeds precipitation by about 200 cm year-1 during the La Niña conditions of 1988-89, whereas precipitation exceeds evaporation by about 200 cm year-1 during the El Niño of 1991-92.

    Interesting things ENSO events when you start looking at the many complexities!
    [REPLY – The post is innocuous, but on reflection we would appreciate it if you changed your pseudonym. You are not fooling anyone, and it is offensive. ~ Evan]

  75. Mark (02:49:58) : said
    “Here in new zealand it was the warmest August on record(It was the warmest August since records began 155 years ago, with a national average temperature of 10.2°C (1.7°C above the long-term August average).”
    The Royal society of New Zealand established 12 sites around 1861 to cover the whole of New Zealand. These were of variable quality. With such variability, poor spatial placing and subsequent discontinuity of data in such a geographically varied country only NOAA -which is where the report originates from- could claim these figures with such certainty.
    NZ seems to have had a very warm period centred around 1750 and early 1800’s.
    Tonyb


  76. Mary Hinge (02:32:21) :
    This is how La Ninas result in lower SST’s, evaporation is much greater during a La Nina.
    Tim Clark (06:55:02) :
    Hmmm…. Cooler surface temps result in greater evaporation. Yeah, that works?
    Mary Hinge (08:40:21) :
    yes it does actually! Increased winds and drier air lead to increased evaporation. An interesting paper on oceanic transport of freshwater and the effects of ENSO is here:

    From your reference:
    El Niño and La Niña years
    In order to examine interannual variations in the FWB and FWT, two twelve months periods are chosen for analysis : May 1988 – April 1989 and August 1991 – July 1992. The first period characterizes the peak of the 1988-89 La Niña event, while the second period includes the warm conditions associated with the 1990-95 El Niño.
    RESULTS
    The surface freshwater balance, E – P, for the period 1988-93, Figure 1a, shows the expected large-scale climatological features. Precipitation exceeds evaporation along the Intertropical Convergence Zone (ITCZ), over the maritime continent in the eastern Indian and western Pacific Oceans and over the western boundary currents in Asia and North America. By contrast, evaporation exceeds precipitation over the subtropical high pressures in both hemispheres. For comparison, Figure 1b shows the budget E – P, where E is computed with COADS data only and P is estimated with satellite data.The time variability of E – P during 1988-93 is seen in the time/longitude section along the equator (Figure 2).
    The most noticeable change is the sign reversal in the freshwater balance in the central Pacific Ocean. Evaporation exceeds precipitation by about 200 cm year-1 during the La Niña conditions of 1988-89, whereas precipitation exceeds evaporation by about 200 cm year-1 during the El Niño of 1991-92.

    This paper succinctly illustrates your inability to skeptically analyse data, resulting in misinterpretation of conclusions, which I have pointed out to you before. Reread the bolded parts and explain to me how you interpret those statements as indicating that absolute evaporation is greater during La Nina relative to El Nino, or conversely, that absolute precipitation is greater during El Nino relative to La Nina. There are no absolute precipitation data or evaporation data for the two periods in the paper, only relative amounts for the difference. Also the paper, as you warmista are quick to quip, is antiquated, and cherry picks only one year of the El Nino 5 year existence.

  77. Tim Clark (11:13:16)
    Reread the bolded parts and explain to me how you interpret those statements as indicating that absolute evaporation is greater during La Nina relative to El Nino

    I think you have an inability to read, let me highlight the relevant parts for you:
    Evaporation exceeds precipitation by about 200 cm year-1 during the La Niña conditions of 1988-89, whereas precipitation exceeds evaporation by about 200 cm year-1 during the El Niño of 1991-92.
    Let me explain how it works in simple terms for you, are you siting comfortably?
    Under normal climactic conditions a huge area of warm water is situated along the equatorial Pacific. Heating and evaporation builds storm clouds which are then carried west by the trade winds in a continuous cycle. Sea water lost to evaporation is replenished when cold water from the deep ocean rises, keeping temperatures closer to the surface at 60-70 degrees Fahrenheit.
    During an El Niño the trade winds subside. Consequently the large area of warm water is not diminished by the continuous evaporation cycle, so instead widens, moving closer to the eastern tropics. No cold water rises from the depths so the waters continue to warm.
    During a La Nina the trade winds increase. As a result the aforementioned area of large water is increasingly diminished and the replenishment of cold water is more rapid.
    See, obvious when you look at it logically isn’t it?Now to your over less polite points:

    Also the paper, as you warmista are quick to quip, is antiquated, and cherry picks only one year of the El Nino 5 year existence.

    1996 is certainly not ‘antiquated’ and this paper was very relevant to your original sceptism. The paper took a period of time (1988 to 1993) and this encompassed the two ENSO events. How can it be ‘Cherrypicking’? I picked a paper relevant to the ‘discussion’, you have, as I’m afraid your ilk are inclined to do’, have just tried to question the validity of a set of results without any firm data to support your point. Do you have any evidence to support what is clearly a false hypothesis?

    You are not fooling anyone, and it is offensive. ~ Evan]

    Hi Evan,
    point taken and amended, I don’t know about the not fooling anyone though. Nearly two years before you rumbled 😉

  78. Walter Dnes (21:44:05) :
    I notice a “hotspot” at the southern tip of South America. Could that be related to steam, hot gases, and hot ash the Chaiten volcano in Chile?
    Many hot-spots, including in Africa, are due to mantle plumes. Molten lava has a tendency to warm a place up a bit. I’ve been a bit impressed in recent years (not) at the ability of politically endorsed science to be able to use data from these areas and regurgitate it as global data rather than regional data, or to relate it to human caused warming. Perhaps if we wouldn’t stomp around up here like we do, material would not fall into the lower mantle and heat up like it does. It really is all our fault, ya know 😎

  79. Benier duster (11:24:09) :
    Tim Clark (11:13:16)
    Reread the bolded parts and explain to me how you interpret those statements as indicating that absolute evaporation is greater during La Nina relative to El Nino
    I think you have an inability to read, let me highlight the relevant parts for you:

    Sorry for the slow response, I was out of town for the weekend. I knew I should have given an example for the intellectually challenged.
    Original premise:
    Mary Hinge (02:32:21) :
    This is how La Ninas result in lower SST’s, evaporation is much greater during a La Nina.

    Hypothetically, suppose you have 400mm of precipitation during a La Nina and 600mm evaporation. However, you have 800 mm of precipitation and 600 mm of evaporation during an El Nino. Mathematically this scenario meets all the requirements of the paper, except Mary’s statement that evaporation is much greater during a La Nina is not true. The amount of evaporation is identical. Without the absolute values (not available in the paper) for the four unknowns: La Nina evaporation & precipitation – El Nino evaporation & precipitation, we cannot state the facts as Mary attempts. Add 100mm of both evaporation and precipitation during the El Nino ( 700 and 900) and Mary’s statement is totally invalidated.
    And you should read the paper, the cherry picking statement still stands.

  80. Tim Clark (06:35:22) :
    ….and as expected not one shred of scientific evidence to support your stance, not even a dubious blogosphere semi-scientific attempt.
    Even with a dumbed down and simplified description of how ENSO events develop you still haven’t admitted you are wrong, go on admit there is greater evaporation during a La Nina. If you don’t want to admit you are wong then please supply evidence to the contrary. Asthey say in Yorkshire ” Put up or shut up”!

  81. Original premise:
    Mary Hinge (02:32:21) :
    This is how La Ninas result in lower SST’s, evaporation is much greater during a La Nina.
    Benier duster (10:33:37) :

    You’re making this into an ego battle. It’s quite simple. I don’t care if evaporation is greater or when. It’s irrelevant to this discussion. Mary and others have a proclivity for drawing erroneous conclusions from the data given in the literature.
    1> Does the data presented in the paper cited by Mary support the premise above, as stated. I contend that the data indicates that evaporation is greater than precipitation during a La Nina and contrawise for an El Nino. The data in that paper does not support the claim that “evaporation is much greater during a La Nina”. If you believe Mary’s conclusion, then you need to provide the citation. I will read it and determine if it supports the contention that “evaporation is much greater during a La Nina”.

  82. Tim Clark (10:17:47) :
    I don’t care if evaporation is greater or when. It’s irrelevant to this discussion.

    errrr…its exactly what this, now apparently one-sided ‘discussion’ is about.
    You still nave no evidence, merely childish wordplay! It is obvious from the mechanics of ENSO events that there is greater evaporation during a La Nina yet your ‘ego’ can’t face the fact you are wrong. Unless you can come back with some evidence to support the contray this conversation is closed.
    You must be one of the 40%….earth over 10,000 years..etc etc.

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