A guest post by: Russ Steele from NCWatch
We can only hope the most people in the US are shopping on Black Friday and not watching the Oprah Winfrey Show today. Al Gore has brought his global warming propaganda machine to share with Oprah. You can find the details on Oprah’s web page. Here are some of the topics that Gore is pushing:
Classic Gore:
“Some of the leading scientists are now saying we may have as little as 10 years before we cross a kind of point-of-no-return, beyond which it’s much more difficult to save the habitability of the planet in the future,” Gore says.
Yes, but Al you have been saying that for over ten years and we are still here. And in the last ten years the global temperatures stopped rising and are now in decline.
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Really Al, show me where the temperatures are beyond natural fluctuations:
Gore agrees that the planet’s temperature has indeed experienced up and down cycles, but he says the current up cycle is too extreme. “It’s way off the charts compared to what those natural fluctuations are,” he says.
Here is look at long term temperatures
One word of caution, these are USHCN numbers, which [have been] adjusted. Past temperatures are going down and the more recent going up.
Going, going Gored:
No place is immune to global warming, Gore says. “Of the thousand largest glaciers on every continent, 997 of them are receding,” he says. “And it’s not seasonal.”
Glaciers have been retreating long before CO2 was problem. (Graphic from Climate Skeptic) Now we learn that the glaciers have stopped retreating and are expanding:
DailyTech has previously reported on the growth in Alaskan glaciers, reversing a 250-year trend of loss. Some glaciers in Canada, California, and New Zealand are also growing, as the result of both colder temperatures and increased snowfall.
Al needs to take a second look at the North Pole:
“The North Pole is melting.”
Here is comparison of the ice in November 1980 and 2008. Do you see some major differences, like the “North Pole is melting.” (Note: Earlier photos do not show snow coverage) Details at Cryosphere Today
Katrina again:
“Temperature increases are taking place all over the world, including in the oceans. Gore warns that when the oceans get warmer, storms get stronger. In August 2005, millions of Americans were left homeless by Hurricane Katrina, one of the most powerful hurricanes in recent history. Gore says people should expect more Category 4 and 5 hurricanes if the ocean waters continue to warm.”
Looks like a decline in cyclone energy to me, not an increase.
Please let Oprah know that you expected more from someone of her intelligence and veracity here.
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Just goes to show given enough money any lunatic can promote their ideas. I have no respect for Gore. He can be encapsulated by his rant against Bush to the effect of “He played on our fears, he lied to us, etc.”[sic] What a hypocrite. Here is my thousand words… http://i34.tinypic.com/2aj5ax.jpg
Where does one even start to counter such unscientific rubbish?
Russ,
That photo of Gore standing near the earth being warmed by the sun tells it all. Surely people looking at that picture have to ask themselves: What happens to the earth if the sun changes a little?
Alan,
Such unscientific rubbish like this post?
Now we learn that the glaciers have stopped retreating and are expanding:
Really? So in 3 or 4 locations after what the article states was a “fairly rapid decline” there is some short-term growth. Where’s is Russ’s data that this is a worldwide phenomena and that the mass balance of glaciers on Earth is now positive? Since that is what he is suggesting from his wording. Or could it be that Daily Tech, which seems to only parrot skeptic viewpoints, just cherry-picked some locations and short timeframes.
Here is comparison of the ice in November 1980 and 2008
This is some kind of joke, right? Comparing wintertime ice extent?
Yesterday, I met with a world renowned climate change scientist with a list of honours that would go from floor to ceiling. I asked him to explain how alpha is calculated in the Arrhenius equation. To my surprise, he didn’t know the answer, but referred me to some material in which the answer is not present. Can any of you skeptically-inclined properly lead me to these details?
Alan B,
“Where does one even start to counter such unscientific rubbish?”
Just read what Russ wrote.
Simply through observation.
And other leading scientists say Al Gore may be nuts.
The better question may be “does anyone care anymore?” The polls I’ve read indicate the Average adult doesn’t have climate change even remotely close to the top of the list of “things to fix”.
I believe this show was a repeat. Not that I saw it this time or the first time it aired. There was a much more compelling football game airing. One must keep one’s priorities straight.
I saw that this show was on and turned the channel. Everyone should know that this was a repeat show from 2006.
Gore is actually quite insane and dangerous and cynical.
There is no evidence at all that there is anything like a ‘tipping point’.
There are only projections from people who have made careers looking for apocalypses to promote.
Gore has made himself very rich selling this stuff. Sort of like Miller making money selling white robes to meet Jesus at the apocalypse he predicted back in the 19th century.
Gore will never willingly or knowingly permit himself to be questioned by anyone who is going to ask him anything like tough questions.
Which is typical of the AGW promotion industry.
It has been said by a few that our names were derived from either our family personality or our own…the point has some merit…smith, blacksmith, carver, carver, &c. Now the mind reels considering the family “Gore,” everything from the bull and the matador, to the pile of green mouldering viscera in a butcher shop…take it from there. One can assert that the nuncio of the incredibly stupid new mainstream religion of Environmentalism (thank you again, Freeman Dyson) has “gored” a billionaire TV figure. Then again, what evangelist would not seek out such a well heeled daytime celebrity having such an incredibly large audience. To determine the general mentality of her audiences, listen to the screaming/hysteria on the program caused by give-aways or the introduction of some of the latest young Hollywood mental derelicts. As to the question “counter such unscientific rubbish,” consider countering the mentalities behind the Inquisition. Consider poor Galileo trying to take a stand for scientific fact. Lotsa luck.
I think the IQ level of Al’s intended audience has reached a tipping point. Soon, he will have to preach his AGW pseudoscientific nonsense to kindergarteners, and eventually, he’ll be reduced to trying to convince single-celled amobae.
I guess the sceptics need a charismatic and articulate poster-boy of their own to go onto these shows. It’s a real shame there doesn’t seem to be anyone waiting in the wings.
Why is the Sun attacking us with phaser beams like that? Why, Al, why?!
I find it very disturbing that most of the media has bought into the notion that AGW is a fact and no opposing views or science should be permitted to be reported.
I followed a radio show on 630 Ched a few days ago where the so called expert scientist told the reporter he shouldn’t report that CO2 is harmless and at least some of the climate change we have seen is caused by the sun and clouds.
It was on the Rutherford show on Tuesday 24 you can listen to it in the audio vault for that day at 9am it starts at 24 minutes in.
http://www.630ched.com/StationShared/AudioVault.aspx
Fred (07:35:23)
Comparing ice extent at the same point in the calendar is useful and valid. Throughout this last summer ice extent was greater on any given day than the previous year, or had you not been so informed by the media?
The point here is that after almost 30 years of global warming ice extent this week is very comparable to way back when. Don’t ya’ see it?
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kim (10:21:17)
Perhaps I should say after 30 years of supposed warming, or after 30 years of rising CO2. Most of us know there has been no warming for the last seven years, and even some cooling just starting very lately.
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Mike Pickett (08:45:39)
Gorebellied means big bellied, and I believe Gorebellied Fool is Shakespearean, though I can’t find it now. I’m fairly proud of the fact that the first eight citations for ‘Gorebellied Fool’ on Yahoo are all mine.
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Heh, first seven and number nine on google.
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Anonymous,
Lubos Motl could certainly help you out. Post your question at his blog. I think he’ll answer it for you.
Fred
The advance or retreat of glaciers, or the extent of polar ice caps, is irrelevant to the unproven theory that these phenomena are in any way related to anthropogenic activity.
Computer models are not reality. Nature is reality.
This is some kind of joke, right? Comparing wintertime ice extent?
The joke is comparing summertime ice extent as evidence of global warming. The ONLY valid comparison is maximum winter ice extent.
This is because the Greehouse Gas model predicts heat gain for the Earth’s climate system over time. Measuring ice extent at any other time than the winter maximum includes an unknown amount of intra-annual effect which of course will be lost within the year and therefore cannot be part of the long term heat gain. Similarly, the only valid measure of long term climate warming is annual minimum temperature.
Dictionaries define Gore as, A small triangular piece of land. Although, when I was a child in England we called the wood on a nearby hill ‘High Gore’. It wasn’t marked as such on any map, nor have I seen the name written anywhere. Our other term for the wood was ‘The Bushes’. So as a child, I would have told you Gore and Bush were the same thing.
This week, the Politico ran a tongue-in-cheek story on The Gore Effect:
Tracking ‘The Gore Effect’
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=D0A42A87-18FE-70B2-A873565EA35CE407
I would like to propose a modest phenological experiment to test the validity of The Gore Effect. On January 20, 2009 Al Gore and a significant portion of the AGW True Believers will converge of Washington DC to celebrate their victory, creating a nexus of cosmological proportions favorable for the observation of The Gore Effect. If on January 20, 2009 Washington DC is the epicenter of record setting cold and snow event then the scientific community must initiate a serious investigation into the phenomena, otherwise The Gore Effect can be dismissed as an amusing statistical coincidence.
Michael Ronayne
The High Gore woods I referred to are shown on a 1875 map (see link below) as Mark Bushes and Latton Park. These ‘official’ names, which I never heard used, go back almost to the Norman Conquest. One is used in a 13th century deed.
I think these are names given by the Normans (1066 and all that) and High Gore was probably the pre-Norman name for the wood and handed down by word of mouth for a thousand years by people who would never have seen a map.
The wood is neither small nor triangular. Although a nearby wood is triangular, which we always called Hastingwood (again not it’s name on maps). Possibly, the name High Gore got transferred from one wood to another over those centuries.
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/image.aspx?compid=63852&filename=fig18.gif&pubid=534
Apologies for going so far OT.