My September 29 post asked whether we could deem as “definitively falsified” the hypothesis that human-caused global warming was leading to “more and more severe” hurricanes. The cited basis for the question was that, despite the endlessly repeated prediction of “more and more severe” hurricanes, as of that date not a single hurricane had yet formed this season in the North Atlantic basin. This represented a record-low rate of hurricane formation in this region since the satellite era, and comprehensive hurricane data, began in 1966. (Since that post, five more days have passed, and there is still no hurricane in the North Atlantic. With each passing day, the likelihood of a hurricane forming this year decreases.)
In response to that post, I received a comment from a reader that I thought deserved a serious response. The comment came as an email, rather than as a comment on the blog. The commenter gave his name, but since he did not post the comment on the blog I am keeping his name confidential as a courtesy. Here is the text of the comment:
If you expect those on the other side of the global warming debate to be honest, then it behooves you to do the same.
Why did you show only the North Atlantic hurricane basin’s Accumulated Cyclonic Energy (ACE), when there are two other major basins in the northern hemisphere (the northeast and northwest Pacific), and both show well-above-average ACE to this point of the hurricane season? The overall northern hemisphere’s ACE is also well above its typical average at this point of the season, which contradicts your claims in the article.
That doesn’t mean that overall hurricane ACE is increasing with global temperatures: it is not, as the global ACE measures at the same Colorado state University website show.
But to cherry-pick one hurricane basin’s figures to emphasize your hypothesis, when the other two basins show the opposite, is what I expect from dishonest climate doomers, not from someone who claims to be open to facts and in pursuit of the truth.
Although this is a serious comment, I stand by my post. Here’s the reason: I think that it is the responsibility of the proponent of a scientific hypothesis to state his hypothesis in a form that can be falsified; and, as a corollary to this, the proponent must also specify the quantitative data which, should they emerge, would be sufficient for him to concede that his hypothesis has been falsified. As I have frequently pointed out, the gaping hole in the entire climate “science” cult is the failure and refusal to state any hypothesis in a falsifiable form, or to state the quantitative criteria for falsification.
The general failure of the climate “science” community to specify a their hypotheses in a falsifiable form applies specifically to the group that claims that human-caused warming leads to “more and more severe storms.” (Indeed, members of this group assert an ability to “attribute” specific storms to human-caused warming.) What are the specific criteria by which such a hypothesis would be falsified? They will never say. However, their “attribution” claims overwhelmingly center on the hurricanes of the North Atlantic. Why is this? Because the North Atlantic hurricanes are the ones that frequently make landfall in populated areas and cause major damage. The Pacific hurricanes, with few exceptions, almost entirely go out into the open ocean and dissipate without causing any major damage or loss of life. In other words, the Pacific hurricanes aren’t any good for scaring people.
The proponents of the “more and more severe hurricanes” scare will never agree to using an ACE index as the criterion to falsify their hypothesis. That is because, in any falsifiable form that they might express the hypothesis, the ACE records would long since have falsified it. During the warming period of the last several decades, the ACE data have failed to show any consistent upward trend at all. Many charts showing this are available. Here is one from the website global-tropical-cyclones.com, which is a project of Ryan Maue and Roger Pielke, Jr. This chart includes cyclones from both the Atlantic and Pacific basins since 1980:

If the ACE data reflected in this chart are the criteria on which the “more and more severe storms” theory can be falsified, then I can’t see how that hypothesis survives.
Instead of using an objective measure like ACE, the proponents of the “more and more severe hurricanes” theory want to use recent severe and damaging storms in the North Atlantic (like Hurricane Beryl in 2024 or Hurricane Melissa in 2025) to try to convince people that their theory is valid. That’s because those hurricanes are widely publicized and frightening. But if those are the data that the proponents choose to rely on, then it is entirely fair to cite as definitive evidence against them a record low hurricane season in the North Atlantic.
I do agree with the commenter: it was my first thought when reading the previous article: don’t look at the silent Atlantic alone, if the rest of the oceans has a more than average hurricane season…
At least it gives the impression of “cherry picking”, something the “other side” is doing about every day…
The point is that there is a quite strong El Niño at this moment, which for some reason (wind shear?) always gives a much calmer Atlantic storm season and a more active Pacific season…
While I agree that the overall hurricane activity didn’t increase at all, to the contrary, as Ryan Maue at http://climatlas.com/tropical/ shows: the 1990’s were more active than the past decades.
BTW, the newest way to “enhance” the tropical storm meme is to look at the wind speed: a category 4 or 5 cyclone is claimed when wind speed exceeds a certain level during 1 (one) minute. Thanks to better satellite measurements, there are now more Cat 5 vs. Cat 4 hurricanes and some ask for extending to a Cat 6 level for “increased” wind speed in hurricanes.
Which thus is a matter of one-minute samples and better measurements. Nothing to do with the real strength of a hurricane, which is the overall energy transported, expressed as ACE: wind speed x size x duration. That didn’t increase over time…
Interesting thought about your ENSO and the Atlantic hurricanes link .
yes we currently have a
growingENSO, from a whole 1 C above normal temp in June (start of the season) to around 3 deg warmer now,and yes we have an
existinglack of atlantic hurricanes,Are you suggesting that hurricanes decide not to form as soon as temp of a small (relatively) patch of the pacific is 1C warmer ?
cause and effectgenerally suggests that along with all the other warm/wet/dry effects of ENSO that one lags the other, or are hurricanes super sensitive to just a slightly warmer bit of water (at the start of ENSO) a few thousand miles away ?As I remembered: El Niño alters wind patterns globally and causes increased wind shear over the Atlantic. That makes it more difficult for hurricanes to form…
Here from FSU:
https://news.fsu.edu/news/expert-pitches/2026/09/24/fsu-expert-explains-el-ninos-role-in-quiet-2026-atlantic-hurricane-season/
The FSU article just states what has been repeated by many. Namely, “increased wind shear”. I haven’t spent a lot of time on this but I haven’t seen a detailed exposition of what is going on. The El Niño is said to happen when the Trade Winds in the Pacific decline. Do the Trades decline in the Atlantic? What winds and at what elevation cause the “shear” that prevents the Atlantic hurricanes from forming. Often, “Lows” start over western Africa and move to over the ocean near the Gulf of Guinea {or 10 to 15 degrees North}. Maybe there is a seasonal wind of West Africa [counterpart to the Harmattan] that prevents the incipient “Lows” from migrating to the ocean. Hmm?
Looked it up and found the following answer to a similar question of 2 years ago:
” MeteorologyMan
It’s to do with vertical atmospheric circulation patterns – specially the Walker Circulation.
For simplicity’s sake, warmer waters in the East Pacific during El Niño generates rising motions, or a typical quasi-static region of lower pressure and more chances for atmospheric waves to develop into tropical cyclones. As the Walker Circulation works in ‘cells’, the rising air from the East Pacific moves east and sinks over the Gulf of Mexico/Caribbean Sea/Western Atlantic, creating a quasi-static region of high pressure and calm weather.
If you look at the hurricane tracks in 2023, you can see this effect in play – nearly all of the North Atlantic hurricanes recurved and remained out at sea because of this high pressure feature.
The opposite happens in La Niña – cooler waters causes sinking air (high pressure), and the Walker circulation reacts with rising air over the Gulf (low pressure). “
Thanks.
Don’t be daft. He’s not assigning agency to hurricanes or saying they are quiet at 0.99° and bonkers at 1.01°.
That’s impossible, North Atlantic hurricane data would indicate effects or not of any global warming whatever the causes, do they claim a specific storm would not have occurred without the human component of recorded warming, which is unknown.
Incidentally the atmosphere over the North Atlantic Ocean has seen virtually no net warming since 1979 (at bottom of page).
The Climate Alarmists have a simple tactic in their ongoing Man Made Catastrophe position. They pick any event no matter its actual cause and claim it is evidence of man made change in real time. Hurricanes are great for their strategy for all the reasons stated in the piece. The floods that are an annual normal event are also ideal because none of us keep an accurate image of the scale of past floods so the latest wash out always looks scary and devastating (which they are) but they are not a new event.
The Nepal landslide and its devastating effect on the steep river valley it traveled down is not unique or man made it is nature being natural.
The climate alarmists are always moving the goal posts because they know their position is indefensible if they remain static. This year’s hurricane count will promote a new imaginative scare story provided by the lame tame MSM as I have suggested before George Monbiot of the Guardian will come up with some contrived new fear to keep the nonsense of Man Made Climate Change selling copy. Canadian Winter being visited on Europe is the latest scare they are advancing. Watch this space.
The alarmists are using the typical commie strategie.
They always pick a cherry, then talk in absolutes.
They found the absolute proof and have the absolute solution.
The “absolute proof” as actually nothing more than their critical theory propaganda trick
while at the same time no critic of their theory is allowed.
Then assclowns like Final Nail below come around and cite some pseudomoderate(RCP 8.5 was actually pure radicalism) IPCC stuff,
while knowing 100% well that the way the climate war is being fought has nothing in common with the IPCC approach that 99% of prople do not know about.
It’s about fear, intimidation, sensationalism and shuutting down criticism where buzz and triggerwords dominate Headlines and Expose, while the counterarguments are being marginalized and buried in the last third of the text.
TFN and the others show that it works.
From what I can tell, climate models do not reflect the impact of ENSO on hurricanes, so the alarmists have proposed the “wack-a-mole” model: hurricanes that do not appear in the Atlantic arise as cyclones in the Pacific.
None of this was predicted before the current season. If it had been, that would mean they knew what they were talking about. Oops.
George
MonbiotMoonbat.FIFY.
You keep saying things like, “The proponents of the “more and more severe hurricanes” scare…“, etc.
Who are you actually quoting, please?
My understanding of the UN IPCC and CMIP6 hurricane forecast in response to global warming is that the proportion of hurricanes reaching Cat. 3-5 is expected to increase over time, but that the frequency at which hurricanes occur is not expected to increase and may even decline.
So who are these people who are forecasting, “more and more severe hurricanes”?
“is expected to increase” – that is a projection, not data.
“is expected to increase” – More like wishful thinking from a desperate climate alarmist.
We can also check it. The above article and chart focuses on data from 1980 onwards.
I used hurricane data from Colorado State University to calculate the ratio of ‘major hurricanes’ (MH) to all hurricanes (H) between 1980 and 2025 using (=MH/H).
There is indeed a rising trend in the proportion of MH to H, with 2025 having the biggest ration to date.
Since the number of major hurricanes has not increased, you are celebrating a decline in the overall number of hurricanes. Now you sound like a climate sceptic.
As I pointed out above, the IPCC/CMIP6 ‘prediction’ is not that the number of major North Atlantic hurricanes will increase.
It is that the number of major hurricanes as a proportion of those hurricanes that do occur is likely to increase.
There may even be fewer hurricanes, including fewer major hurricanes. But of those hurricanes that do occur, more are expected to fall into the major category.
I am surprised that you are publicising that the total number of hurricanes is declining. You are even admitting the number of major hurricanes might decrease too. Don’t tell any of your fellow alarmists. You will be drummed out of their club in disgrace.
Why didn’t you cherrypi…er start your graph in 2014? Then you could have got a really scary trend. Other than that your graph shows over 40 years of nothing.
On a side note, your graph would have shown the exact opposite in 2013, but that wouldn’t have fit your narrative.
Why didn’t you cherrypi…er start your graph in 2014?
Is that for me or for the author of this article? As I pointed out, it was he who started his chart in 1980, which is why I used 1980.
Take it up with him.
The standard TFN cop-out.
You didn’t address the other point (typical). Whether it’s your graph or someone else’s, it shows over 40 years of nothing.
So who are these, “…proponents of the “more and more severe hurricanes” scare…“?
Do you know?
Mr. Nail: The author links to his Sept. 29 column. Did you look? He answered that already, cited sources. Funny, commenters here have seen this “more AND more severe” since Katrina, we don’t bother with trolls who think they are scoring.
WMO for one.
Virtually all of the mainstream media, worldwide- that’s who. And that influences the politics of the issue.
“The mainstream media” is not a scientific body.
If the author is basing his argument against claims made by the mainstream media rather than by mainstream climate scientists then he’s effectively building a straw man to argue against.
The MSM strongly influences the dimwitted politicians- mostly on the left- so it is important to set them straight- because those dimwits write laws.
The MSM is also quoting someone who is making exaggerated climate claims, they are not concocting the claims themselves.
Its their duty to evaluate any such claims or at least suggest they are only claims. They never do that as far as I can tell. Especially NPR.
[“The MSM strongly influences the dimwitted politicians- mostly on the left-“]
Joe, I think you will find that the whole of the political arena (left, right & centre) is filled with dimwitted politicians who will go with any idea they think will win votes to keep them in power & influence; the political spin-doctors feed the MSM; most of the gullible public believe what they see/hear & never bother to check the ‘facts’.
“The mainstream media” is not a scientific body opines TFN.
Neither is the IPCC.
The hurricane category is the maximum speed that is measured by satellites during one (!) minute. Even if the rest of the time that the storm exists it is only a storm, not even a hurricane, it still is a hurricane of Cat 4, Cat 5,… And some insist to have a Cat 6, as the “intensity” of the hurricanes “increased” with even higher wind speeds.
That these observations are purely a matter of better detection by satellite measurements, is of course not important.
The real strength of a storm/hurricane is in the total energy that is in the hurricane during its entire life and that is the ACE (accumulated cyclone energy), not the one-minute definition of a category…
That could all well be true, but it doesn’t really address the question of who the author means when he refers to “…proponents of the “more and more severe hurricanes” scare…“.
I didn’t realize there’s now a one minute rule for determining hurricane intensity.
It appears consensus hurricaners have taken a march from the high professionals of the UKMet, who now register hot days on the basis of a transient positive spike in a PRT.
Your very comment identifies the culprits: “the UN IPCC and CMIP6 hurricane forecast”.
Where do the UN IPCC and CMIP6 hurricane forecasts say that there will be “more and more severe hurricanes” ?
As I set out above, with links, they say no such thing.
Based on my seven years of extensive Quora blogging my estimate is that at least 90% of the general blogging population considers this statement current theory: “Warming will cause hurricanes to become more frequent and more energetic globally:” A well-supported explanation of a phenomenon that has been repeatedly tested and backed by substantial evidence.
If that was IPCC theory the 30-year period with rising temperatures and declining global ACE is certainly evidence against that specific formulation. The data shows a downward trend from 1995-2024 in the dataset. global-tropical-cyclones.
Researchers today do not frame even a hypothesis in that context: A specific, testable prediction or explanation that has not yet been fully verified. Falsifiable statements in climate discourse are verboten.
Instead, they tend to make narrower claims about rainfall intensity, storm surge, rapid intensification, proportions of stronger storms, and future projections. Whether those narrower claims are correct is a separate question.
From a philosophy-of-science perspective, there’s room for real criticism: if a prediction fails and the explanation is continually redefined, people start asking whether the projection/prediction/hypothesis/theory is becoming difficult to falsify. That’s a legitimate concern in climate science.
A skeptic can legitimately reply:
“If global temperatures rose substantially and global ACE declined from 1995-2024, then predictions of generally increasing hurricane activity were not supported by the observations. global-tropical-cyclones. That’s a fair empirical argument.
The problem is taking high rainfall intensity from a given place today without saying where it was last year or last decade. Did move? Did it pair with low rainfall in different locations? You can’t just examine high phenomena without also examining low phenomena and mapping where the changes occur.
Again, this is an appeal to a popular misunderstanding of what the IPCC actually says on the matter.
A “skeptic” can only legitimately make that reply if these “predictions of generally increasing hurricane activity” were actually made in the first place.
I have shown several times that no such predictions were made, at least not by the consensus scientific opinion as expressed by the IPCC.
IPCC summary, which is all anyone bothers to read, is not a consensus scientific opinion – it is a unanimous political opinion.
Science is about specifics so there should be a quantitative hypothesis for each basin. One can certainly look at just one basin.
Absolutely – especially when your opponent is playing a perfidious game of cherry picking
and deception it’ll be a mistake to go beyond the basic integrity.
He’ll only use the additional stuff against you.
It’s already hard enough to take on someone who has a 9:1 Media advantage.
Here we have the simple case that more violent storms are not happening.
Combined with the fact that the environmental desaster related death toll went down by 90% while global population went up 4 fold during the last 100 years
a 40x higher bodycount would be still on par with the perfect pre 350 ppm climate.
We shouldn’t be even debating hurricanes in this regard, let alone excuse ourselves for a thing.
Indeed, the total number of hurricanes are the sum of those in all the basins and forecasts are given for individual basins. TFN implied that if the count goes down in the Atlantic it may go up in the Pacific. That is an implied hypothesis that is not stated explicitly, data to support it is not provided, and most importantly, it is not stated in a manner that is quantitatively falsifiable.
The complete lack of hurricanes in the North Atlantic has taken the wind out of the sails of the Climate Caterwaulers. If even one, say Cat 3 had hit the US mainland, the chorus of Climate Cluckers would have been deafening. But now? Crickets.
It’s kind of nice, actually.
Not really, because it was the same “Climate Caterwaulers” who made it very clear from early on that the North Atlantic hurricane season was expected to be subdued this year, as often happens in seasons when a large El Niño is underway in the Pacific, as is the case this season.
Riiiiight. Sure. Uh-huh. Straight from the “heads we win, tails you lose” Climastrology crowd. So predictable.
I linked to the website which is date-stamped 21 May 2026.
It is a simple fact that NOAA predicted a slower than average Atlantic hurricane season in 2026 and that the El Niño and its effects on trade winds was a major factor in that forecast.
To quote the report:
NOAA did not predict 0 hurricanes.
How many did they predict, TFN?
I posted the numbers elsewhere.
TFN posted a link only.
I saw that a little farther down in the comments.
You were right, they did not predict zero. 🙂
Some day someone will follow a link I post, surely?
Here it is (again).
To save you looking that up (because you won’t) NOAA forecast 8-14 named storms, 3-6 hurricanes and 0-2 major hurricanes. Well below average on all counts.
So far there have been 9 named storms with a 10th currently brewing; so their ‘named storms’ forecast has already been shown to correct.
Hurricane season doesn’t end until Nov 30th.
Funny how it used to be that ONLY hurricanes were named.
Funny how now tropical depressions are named.
One, the hurricane season is not over, and two, this El Niño is breaking all prior records.
We are now in uncharted territory.
As far as I know, an El Niño still is a 100% natural phenomenon, exists already millions of years. They can “predict” that one is coming at about half a year before, but I never have seen a clear explanation of probable or possible causes…
TheFinalNail, often wrong, never in doubt.
Just prove me wrong by pointing to the scientific body that is forecasting “more and more severe hurricanes”.
That’s literally all you have to do.
No, that’s what you just don’t get. I don’t HAVE to do anything or prove anything. Just because you believe in something that has your little world in a twist doesn’t mean anyone else needs to believe or care or PROVE anything to you.
World Meteorological Organization (WMO) states that the overall risks and threats associated with tropical cyclones and hurricanes are real and increasing.
Climate Central
https://www.climatecentral.org/
World Weather Attribution
https://www.worldweatherattribution.org/.
Be prepared for more of TFN’s semantic word games to claim you didn’t specifically address his comment (somehow)…
I recognize a flame warrior and know how they work.
I like to use catnip, see them pounce, for the amusement value.
🙂
You might try ‘pouncing’ on me with a relevant link, in that case.
Another toothless tiger…
Catnip worked again.
Laughing at your idoicies.
The first link does not specifically refer to Atlantic hurricanes and from what I can see none of the links contradicts the IPCC forecast that a higher proportion of those Atlantic hurricanes that do occur are likely to be major.
You asked who was making claims.
I answered.
Now you are saying those do not count because IPCC blah blah blah.
I linked to organizations that make those attribution claims, not to specific pages of claims.
Laughing.
Kitty keeps pouncing.
From the NOAA link:
“Forecasters with NOAA’s National Weather Service are predicting a below-normal hurricane season for the Atlantic basin this year. NOAA’s outlook for the 2026 Atlantic hurricane season, which runs June 1 to November 30, predicts a 35% chance of a near-normal season, a 10% chance of an above-normal season, and a 55% chance of a below-normal season.”
So, a 45/55 guess is very clear that it is expected?
“The agency is forecasting a total of 8-14 named storms (winds of 39 mph or higher). Of those, 3-6 are forecast to become hurricanes (winds of 74 mph or higher), including 1-3 major hurricanes (category 3, 4 or 5 with winds of 111 mph or higher). NOAA has a 70% confidence in these ranges. An average season has 14 named storms with seven hurricanes, including three major hurricanes.”
So, the 70% confidence includes a “average season” of 14 named storms (top of the range), and 3 major hurricanes (top of the range). This is somehow very clear that the season will be subdued?
I predict TFN will make 0 to 1000 idiotic posts today.
I predict that TFN will disappear from sight only to show up somewhere else and will never acknowledge the fact that he’s been shown to be completely wrong yet again.
A 35% chance of a near normal season versus a 55% chance of a below normal season. A 10% chance of a higher than normal season. So far they have been right. The season has been below average, as they said was the most probable forecast.
They forecast 8-14 named storms (we’ve already had 9 and are headed for 10, so they got that right so far, too). The forecast this year is for 0 to 2 major hurricanes; so far there have been 0, so again they are within the forecast range and are so far right. The only number they are shy on, so far, is non-major hurricanes, which they forecast as 3-6. The season still has 8 weeks to run.
Maybe you can tell us what scientific body predicted “more and more severe hurricanes” in the Atlantic, because so far no one else has been able to?
You do realize that a 55% chance is basically flipping a coin, right? Does the phrase “heads I win, tails you lose: ring a bell?
I listed the organizations above. You claimed they did not count because I did not offer a direct link to the claims, but rather to the organization.
Catnip is fun.
So CO2 goes up and hurricanes go to zero…got it
There’s the falsification!
They were probably just being conservative after doing such a poor job of forecasting last year.
Every day, somewhere on the planet, there is a flood, a drought, a forest fire, a severe storm, very hot or very cold and it’s been this way for millions of years. While for much of the population of the planet, there is an affordability crisis, the threat of war and the threat of disease, some foolish people think the thing to worry about the most is a trivial change in the temperature.
Joseph, how dare you address Reality instead of the approaching end of the world due to Climate Change! How dare you. 😉
My view of the world and life is reality oriented.
You forgot to smile. Clearly you knew there was humor afoot.
Have a pleasant evening.
I feel humans have never had it better than today on planet Earth
If the contention is that CO2 increases hurricanes and that CO2 is a well mixed gas shouldn’t the two oceans be the same?
Do try to be illogical. /sarc
It would seem, based on the chart above, that total TS and hurricane activity globally declines during La Niña. La Niña seems to suppress activity across the entire Pacific, leaving only the Atlantic active. Yet it’s the Atlantic basin that gets all the hype, and ditto for winter storms like nor’easters. Either way, there is no global trend overall.
As far as I know ENSO is a natural (vs man-made CO2 driven) event. It portrays the natural variation inherent in the earth’s surface/atmosphere. Natural variation is considered passe by the CAGW crowd because man-made CO2 has override it. Hmmm? Data?
Someone in an earlier post said floods, violent storms, hot, cold, etc. occur somewhere on earth every day. Adding local things together that quite likely are caused by various conditions and then saying they are all caused by one thing, CO2, is rather specious. ENSO and various ocean currents don’t fit in that category, and it is difficult to accept that they no longer cause natural variation to be exposed.
Yes, focusing only on the Atlantic Basin for ACE is like looking for a dropped quarter at night near a lamp-post because the light is better, rather than in the dark where the quarter was dropped. But the author is correct, that the alarmists consistently focus on the Atlantic because it is scarier. They do not care about the details or considering the big picture or what they ignore. They want to accentuate the small, but radical weather events. The same is true for forest fires. They happen every year and have decreased radically since the early 1900s. Now, a small rise in a low number, for them, is an excuse to attribute it to global warming. Talk about cherry-picking, they nitpick A LOT.
Climatistas do not operate in good faith. Some because they are just ignorant, others because they are just evil. If the truth is against them they ignore it.
“Saving the planet” is not their goal – their goal is less freedom and more government control. Some of them believe in government to solve all the world’s problems, others just want control. For both, individual freedom is the enemy.
“Climatistas do not operate in good faith.”
Actually…
They do operate in good faith, the faith of Anthropogenic Climate Change Apocalypse.
…. as viewed from their religion, that is.
Climatistas like TFN are fundamentally Marxists who believe that lying for the greater good is justified.
This is the psychology prevalent here.
It is the lense that you view people who disagree with you.
Pray tell – why do those people have to be “Marxists” in order to do that?
What is it that “Marxists” have above that of ordinary people who have viewed the science (consensus) and come to the conclusion that the vast majority have?
Why is it that you have to go to the polar opposite of yourself to plant your rage?
This is fascinating.
That you think the weight of evidence is so in your favour that in order to support it, by default, those who disagree with you must be “Marxist”.
It is you and your kind that are in the minority, yet you think that the majority are “Marxists”.
It is stupid simplistic thinking merely to satisfy your need to be correct, your cognitive dissonance at work.
It is obviously a waste of time me pointing out the illogic of that – but there I have.
What TFN’s interest is, I don’t know – but mine is that of someone having been intimitely engnaged with the science of meteorology (professionally), and it’s basis in text-book physiscs, I have no doubt whatsoever that the process of AGW is well known, sound, and the cause of modern warming.
Full stop.
That is (a) motivation for posting here.
Another is that I get to do more research by critiquing the claims made here, where necessary …. and the thing is, without the likes of me, TFN, Bellman, bdgwx, Eldrosian and one or two ohers – this place would never be contradicted and any dissonance challenged. It likely is ignored by many anyway, but without it this place will have little in the way of consensus science support review.
Don’t you see that defaulting to a polar opposite does nothing except to make the world a nastier place, and take your confirmation bias to the extreme?
BTW: I also think that the policy of Net-zero is unworkable and is prolulgated by zealots.
My politics have nothing to do with it. The last time I voted was for Nigel Farage and Boris, and I also voted for Brexit.
It will, I expect be impossible but try to understand that just as not all on here are Trumpians, neither are the few who could be bothered with the overwhelming bomdardment by the “Attack dogs” (who effectively troll us with either ad Hom or stupid obtuse/irrelevant questioning) “Marxists”.
So shines a good deed in a weary world.
Ooh, I seem to have touched a nerve…
Anthony, not all have the same view here and still many listen to real arguments and respond with real arguments, not name calling…
My experience is that even here there are a lot if different opinions from based on available science to believers of anything that is against the IPCC and scientists that they don’t like for what they say, even if it is proven true…
Posts on WUWT in general are quite good, some excellent with new ideas, like the thunderstorm hypothesis of Willis Eschenbach, that keeps the earth within limited temperatures. Or the way that some official instances like CSIRO mix different datasets to create a non-existent sea level increase acceleration.
Other posts are less good, but immediately are met with a lot of critique…
So, don’t bother with unfounded critique or name calling and always welcome with real arguments…
“Watermelons” is a good descriptor.
Just a nit. Marxists do not lie for the greater good. Control, power, and the like is the motivation.
For Marxists, the “greater good” means power and control for them.
Marxists and other leftists excel at the destruction of existing societal norms. They always promise to “build back better”. They just suck at it and leave a lot of devastation in their wake. But it was all done with good intentions…so it’s not their fault.
This is a good overview on the global formation and distribution of Hurricanes ….
https://youtu.be/KIQrTspJMM4?is=fiU66yhjBn02YKMQ