Europe’s “Soaring Climate Damage” Narrative Runs Into an Inconvenient Dataset

One of the most persistent claims in climate politics is that weather disasters are becoming increasingly expensive because climate change is making extreme weather worse. The assertion has been repeated so often by politicians and echoed so faithfully by much of the media that it has taken on the appearance of established fact. Recently, Dr. Roger Pielke Jr. wrote up a revealing post on substack titled: Europe’s Weather Losses Keep Climbing – But a new loss normalization finds no trend after accounting for economic growth.

Some excerpts and analysis follow.

European Climate Commissioner Wopke Hoekstra recently declared, “The reality is that as climate change continues, the pattern of more heat waves, more droughts, more heavy weather, and of course also more floods is going up… you will see more damage… the ever-larger economic damage that climate change… is bringing to our societies.”

It certainly sounds convincing. Unfortunately for that narrative, Roger Pielke Jr. has once again done what too few economists bother to do: examine the data before accepting the conclusion. Pielke’s latest analysis, based on newly updated catastrophe loss data from the European Environment Agency (EEA), finds that once economic growth is properly accounted for, Europe’s weather-related disaster losses have remained essentially flat since 1990.

At first glance, the raw numbers appear to support the alarmist storyline. Inflation-adjusted disaster losses have increased substantially over the past three decades, and the chart certainly gives the impression that weather is becoming dramatically more expensive. That is precisely the statistic routinely cited in speeches, reports, and headlines.

The problem is that the comparison is fundamentally misleading, if not flat out false.

Europe today bears little resemblance to Europe in 1990. The continent has accumulated vastly more wealth. Cities have expanded. Infrastructure has multiplied. Homes have become larger and more valuable. Businesses own more equipment, governments own more infrastructure, and insurers cover far more expensive property than they did thirty-five years ago. In simple terms, there is much more to damage today than there was a generation ago.

If the exact same flood or windstorm struck Europe in 2024 as occurred in 1990, common sense tells us the economic losses would almost certainly be higher simply because society has accumulated far more assets in harm’s way. Rising monetary losses, by themselves, therefore tell us very little about whether the weather itself has become more destructive.

This is precisely why disaster researchers normalize loss data.

Pielke adjusts reported losses to account for the growth of Europe’s economy by expressing disaster costs relative to GDP. The methodology is straightforward: reported losses are scaled by the ratio of 2024 GDP to the GDP of the year in which the event occurred. In effect, the calculation asks a simple question: what would that historical disaster cost if it happened in today’s economy?

Far from being an unconventional approach, measuring disaster losses relative to GDP has become standard practice in disaster economics. The United Nations Sendai Framework for Disaster Risk Reduction even uses losses as a percentage of GDP as one of its official indicators.

Once this adjustment is made, the dramatic upward trend mostly disappears.

The updated EEA data covering 1990 through 2024 show year-to-year variability, as one would expect from weather, but essentially no long-term increase in normalized losses. Pielke summarizes the finding succinctly: “Once you account for economic growth, the normalized cost of weather and climate extremes in Europe has not increased over 1990–2024. The overall trend is flat.”

That conclusion is particularly noteworthy because the updated dataset includes the catastrophic floods that struck Germany and Belgium in 2021, events that generated some of the largest insured and uninsured losses in recent European history. Yet even after including those disasters, the long-term normalized trend remains essentially unchanged. In fact, once exposure is held constant, years such as 1990, 1999, and 2002 emerge as equally, or even more economically significant than some of the recent headline events.

Recognizing that critics might question using aggregate European GDP, Pielke also performed a robustness check by normalizing each country’s losses against its own GDP before combining the results. The outcome differed by only about 1.5 percent from the aggregate calculation. In other words, the conclusion proved remarkably insensitive to the methodology employed.

This distinction between hazard and exposure has been understood within disaster research for decades. Economic losses are determined not only by the severity of the weather event itself, but also by how many people, buildings, roads, factories, and other assets lie in its path. As societies become wealthier, losses naturally increase even if the physical hazard remains unchanged. Ignoring that reality inevitably produces misleading conclusions.

Ironically, this has long been recognized by the IPCC itself. Previous assessment reports have repeatedly concluded that observed increases in disaster losses are dominated by increases in exposure and wealth, with little evidence that the monetary trends themselves demonstrate worsening weather. Yet that important caveat frequently disappears somewhere between the technical report and the press release.

The result is a steady stream of headlines pointing to ever-rising billion-dollar disasters as proof of a “climate crisis” while failing to mention that today’s world simply contains far more billion-dollar assets than it once did. Comparing raw disaster losses across decades without accounting for economic growth is no more meaningful than comparing housing prices across generations without adjusting for inflation.

None of this demonstrates that climate has no influence on weather extremes, nor does it suggest future trends cannot change. It does, however, show that one of the most commonly cited indicators of an escalating climate crisis, the apparent explosion in economic disaster losses, largely disappears once exposure is properly accounted for.

That is precisely why normalization exists. It separates changes in the weather from changes in society.

In the current political climate, however, raw numbers often generate better headlines than normalized ones. Unfortunately, science isn’t supposed to be driven by headlines. It is supposed to be driven by evidence, and the latest evidence from the European Environment Agency suggests that Europe’s weather disaster losses tell a much more nuanced story than the one being repeated by policymakers.

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gyan1
July 3, 2026 2:22 pm

Economic losses are a deflection away from the fact the extreme weather has not increased in the real world. The falsehood that it has been repeated so many times that people can’t even conceive that it could be a lie.

Reply to  gyan1
July 3, 2026 2:50 pm

Well actually, focusing on normalized economic losses is a deflection from the question of whether the physical hazards themselves are changing.

As an analysis of the CET record shows (see below), summer temperatures, the hottest day of the year, and the probability of extremely hot days have all increased

Consistent with broader observational record showing increasingly severe & frequent heat waves across W. Europe.

Better infrastructure, forecasting, and adaptation can certainly reduce economic losses. But they don’t change the underlying hazard.

As the climate continues to warm, heat extremes will continue to intensify, and their impacts will increasingly test the limits of adaptation.

https://tamino.wordpress.com/2026/06/30/central-england-temperature/

“I do know that the prognosis for future heat waves, in Europe, here in America, and around the world, is frightening.”

Sweet Old Bob
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 3:00 pm

“As the climate continues to warm, heat extremes will continue to intensify”

EPA heatwave index proves that is false.

Reply to  Sweet Old Bob
July 3, 2026 3:06 pm

The EPA heat wave indicator is based on US observations, not Europe. And even then, it shows an overall increase in heat waves across the United States since 1960.

Sweet Old Bob
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 3:11 pm

“I do know that the prognosis for future heat waves, in Europe, here in America, and around the world, is frightening.”

Reply to  Sweet Old Bob
July 3, 2026 3:17 pm

I agree it’s frightening.

MarkW
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 4:54 pm

Doesn’t take much to frighten you.
Did the monster under your bed tell you to be frightened?

Reply to  MarkW
July 3, 2026 4:55 pm

No. Science did.

MarkW
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 8:19 am

I don’t see any science being presented by you.
I see from historical records that there is nothing unusual going on and that in the recent past temperatures higher than the ones that frighten your poor little soul, were quite common, even normal.

MarkW
Reply to  Sweet Old Bob
July 3, 2026 4:53 pm

A few tenths of a degree will kill us all?
The only solution is to convert the world to socialism.

Sweet Old Bob
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 3:18 pm

The DATA starts in 1895 …..

lying by omission ?

Sweet Old Bob
Reply to  Sweet Old Bob
July 3, 2026 3:38 pm

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Reply to  Sweet Old Bob
July 3, 2026 3:49 pm

Thanks for showing the increase since 1960.

Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 4:14 pm

When all you have are lemons, make lemonade.

MarkW
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 4:55 pm

Thanks for ignoring the decrease prior to 1960.

Reply to  MarkW
July 3, 2026 5:04 pm

Historical variability doesn’t change the fact that an increase is occurring NOW.

You’re good at hiding yourselves from reality.

Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 6:05 pm

Nothing is now occurring in the USA.. I slight bump at the 2016 El Nino, and a couple of spikes during the latest El Nino..

… but apart from that… near as to ZERO TREND.

USCRNUAH.USA48
Reply to  bnice2000
July 3, 2026 9:42 pm

I slight bump at the 2016 El Nino, and a couple of spikes during the latest El Nino..”

So, not “nothing,” even by your own standards.

Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 8:31 am

Ayup, it ain’t a perfect world.

MarkW
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 8:23 am

The fact that there is historical variability proves that what is happening now is minor, is not proven to be caused by CO2 and is nothing to fear.

What is it about you alarmists and your insistence on ignoring the truth?

Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 12:57 am

Where are the heatwaves since 1960 in the USA located by state?
You forget that it was possibly the lack of heatwaves in the 1960’s that prompted some people to suggest an ice age was approaching.

MarkW
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 8:21 am

And the very tiny increase that so frightens you, is minor compared to what has happened before, prior to the age of enhanced CO2.

MarkW
Reply to  Sweet Old Bob
July 4, 2026 8:19 am

If the data don’t fit, retrofit.

Rational Keith
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 4:52 pm

Are you sure?

I read that events like tornadoes and hurricanes does not show an increase.

Severe heat is not common, meteorological researcher Cliff Mass explained how factors stacking up that normally partly offset each other resulted in the heat wave of June 2021 in the far NW of US and SW of Canada.

George Thompson
Reply to  Rational Keith
July 3, 2026 5:59 pm

I believe that the “observed” increase in tornadoes reflects more reporting stations and more population growth out to where more ‘nadoes are visible.

Reply to  George Thompson
July 3, 2026 7:53 pm

Globally, hurricanes and cyclones are down significantly since 1900

hurricanes-declining
MarkW
Reply to  George Thompson
July 4, 2026 8:24 am

The advent of weather radar means that many small tornadoes that form over unpopulated areas are now seen and counted, whereas in the past they weren’t counted.

Reply to  Rational Keith
July 3, 2026 8:43 pm

Severe heat in the US is very much a thing of the 1930s and 1940s.

And trending down since then.

As shown by the % of days over 100ºF and over 95ºF

USA-heat
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 6:02 pm

FAR less than the 1930s and 40s.

USA-NOAA
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 1:50 am

Exactly: the fact you “start in 1960” shows your bias. You don’t include the 30’s because it was much hotter than today. Same thing for the so-called “trend” in Europe. It also looks like the time period was selected so as to “see” a trend. Heat waves are a weather phenomenon and have nothing to do with climate. The so-called temperature increases really only affect the daily averages due to increases in night temperatures (UHI effect). During daytime, it’s not really getting hotter … if you go back far enough in time, one won’t see a trend.

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Eric Vieira
July 4, 2026 4:56 am

“You don’t include the 30’s because it was much hotter than today. Same thing for the so-called “trend” in Europe.”

OK I will:…..

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And no the 30’s were not hotter than to today, either in the US or globally…….

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Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 4, 2026 6:20 am

If you leave a room at 74°F and go into one at 75°F, do you immediately begin to sweat and experience heat stress?

That is what your graphs are basically showing.

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Jim Gorman
July 4, 2026 8:06 am

No.
My graphs are showng that the statement …

“You don’t include the 30’s because it was much hotter than today. Same thing for the so-called “trend” in Europe.”

Is false:
Which it says at the top of the post.

Why can you never seem to grasp the intent of those of us standing up for the science side?
Is it you being willful or obtuse?

Sweet Old Bob
Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 4, 2026 6:46 am

“And no the 30’s were not hotter than to today, either in the US or globally”

Then why are 34 of 50 US state high temperature records set BEFORE 1940 ???

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Sweet Old Bob
July 4, 2026 8:11 am

Because the US is a tad bigger than those 34 states.
It is 48 states (contiguous).

“State high-temperature records are heavily concentrated in the 1920s and 1930s largely due to the devastating, prolonged multi-year droughts of the Dust Bowl. Unsustainable farming practices combined with natural atmospheric high-pressure systems created massive, parched landscapes that amplified heat extremes across North America”

State-level absolute maximum records do not reflect the overall climate because they capture brief, highly localized weather extremes rather than broad national or global averages.. While a specific afternoon in the 1930s may have spiked to an unprecedented temperature in a given town, the country as a whole is significantly warmer now on average than it was then. [1, 2, 3, 4]”

Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 4, 2026 9:21 am

 the country as a whole is significantly warmer now on average than it was then”

Define “warmer”. Tmax or Tmin or a combination. If a combination which is predominate?

Sweet Old Bob
Reply to  Tim Gorman
July 4, 2026 9:50 am

If he is honest , he will admit that east of the Rockies , Tmax in
summers have been decreasing for more than 80 years .

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Tim Gorman
July 4, 2026 10:50 am

There you go again.
Obtuse or what?

As defined by the metrics of the worlds climate monitoring organistions …. which have come up with this:

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Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 6, 2026 5:39 am

As defined by the metrics of the worlds climate monitoring organistions …. which have come up with this:

Do you ever read what you post? Again, this graph shows about a one degree change. Do you block off rooms in your house that are 1 degree warmer than what you set the thermostat at?

I am reminded of the tale of Chicken Little.

Sweet Old Bob
Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 4, 2026 9:30 am

“Because the US is a tad bigger than those 34 states.
It is 48 states (contiguous).”

and over 70% of the records were set BEFORE 1940!

Get real!

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Sweet Old Bob
July 4, 2026 10:56 am

“70% of the records were set BEFORE 1940”

You get real!
It is as I have outlined.
That you deny that data is a self-fulling prophecy here.
Why is it so hard to comprehend that the mean temperature of 48 states is lower than the mean temperature of 34 of those states?

Answer: because you don’t want to. You come here to cheer with the crowd and have your bias confimed.
And, guess what – you resent anyone who presents the science facts to you.

Sweet Old Bob
Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 4, 2026 12:48 pm

“you resent anyone who presents the science facts to you.”

Mirror , mirror on the wall ….

I provide the real data , and you can’t accept it .

Reality bites you !

Sweet Old Bob
Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 4, 2026 2:55 pm

Only TWO state records set after 1985!

Where is my catastrophic global warming ?!

Sweet Old Bob
Reply to  Sweet Old Bob
July 4, 2026 4:55 pm

Old data .

Now there are FOUR !

Scary !

Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 4, 2026 5:30 pm

LOL, totally mal-adjusted faked temperatures that don’t remotely resemble what was actually measured.

And global temperature from 1900.. That is a laugh.

There were basically no measurements for most of the planet !

Sweet Old Bob
Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 7, 2026 11:51 am

“And no the 30’s were not hotter than to today, either in the US or globally…”

So … all the local newspaper articles , reports , data , records , diary entries etc. are all lies.

Because YOU say so .

Reply to  Eric Vieira
July 4, 2026 6:15 am

It is called data dredging. Looking for short strings within a series that confirms your premise.

Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 6:11 am

it shows an overall increase in heat waves across the United States since 1960.

Heat waves do not cause destruction of capital investment.

real bob boder
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 6:38 am

And a decline since 1930

MarkW
Reply to  real bob boder
July 4, 2026 8:26 am

That’s not fair. Only data that support the alarmist position are permitted.

Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 3:00 pm

Relying on ‘Tamino’ either shows you are a climate neophyte or a climate alarmist. Fully discredited here many ways, many years ago.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 3, 2026 3:07 pm

Whatever you say.

No doubt everyone here will unquestioningly accept that, then immediately use it as their excuse to ignore the analysis entirely. 

MarkW
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 4:58 pm

Once someone has proven they are willing to use facetious arguments and sloppy data, it’s up to them to prove that they have changed their stripes.

hdhoese
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 6:14 pm

I was recently reading a paper with “ Unprecedented Mississippi River Flooding in 2019” in the title with the too common ad hoc “climate change.” Some aspects were unprecedented but there were other inadequate citations about upstream precipitation and changes in the management of the river. I also was reading a thesis on the same flood along with the history that did its homework. This reminded me of another buried somewhere cautioning about Texas’ variability by areas. 

The graph shows the 1930s drought well, but the 1950s which I am old enough to remember was considered meteorologically worse in Texas than the 1930s. I also knew many people in both, one who considered them more or less the same drought and the 1950s actually started earlier, serious by 1953, even worse in 1954-56, the last year considered very impressive. The later droughts despite what the graph shows seemed very shy of both regardless of what the heat wave index claims. There were also serious earlier droughts after the Little Ice Age when records were scarce. Heat budgets, at least those which I have dealt with in bays are hard to measure.

Reply to  hdhoese
July 3, 2026 8:51 pm

Texas temps (before data tampering) were warmer around the 1920s-40s

You can see why alarmist stooges always want to start in the 60s and 70s. 😉

Texas-raw
real bob boder
Reply to  bnice2000
July 4, 2026 6:43 am

You don’t need graphs just google high temps for each day of the year by year. It jumps right out that the over the last 120 years there is little difference in the number days were the all time high is in the first 60 years or the next and there is no accounting for UHI.

Anthony Banton
Reply to  bnice2000
July 4, 2026 8:16 am

“Texas temps (before data tampering) were warmer around the 1920s-40s”

That’ll be the “Dust Bowl” years …..

“State high-temperature records are heavily concentrated in the 1920s and 1930s largely due to the devastating, prolonged multi-year droughts of the Dust Bowl. Unsustainable farming practices combined with natural atmospheric high-pressure systems created massive, parched landscapes that amplified heat extremes across North America”

And:
“The northern two-thirds of the Texas Panhandle was one of the regions most severely affected by the 1930s Dust Bowl.”

The last bit of your statement is utter tin-hat nonesense.
As it your “free energy” premise for the warming being due to ENs.

MarkW
Reply to  bnice2000
July 4, 2026 8:36 am

According to the alarmists, the definition of good data, is data that matches the models.
Data that isn’t “good” must be adjusted until it is “good”.

MarkW
Reply to  hdhoese
July 4, 2026 8:27 am

They also ignore land surface changes that impact the amount and rate of run off.

oeman50
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 4, 2026 4:22 am

As soon as I saw “tamino” in the that link, I knew that citation was totally biased.

Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 3:27 pm

No upward trend in atmospheric blocking has been detected by the IPCC. It is obvious that the slight warming that has occurred (inconsistently) since 1850 has raised the temperatures reached during heatwaves. At the same time, winter temperatures have become milder, which brings more advantages than disadvantages. Yes, it is warmer—that is a fact. This brings us back to the question of how much of the warming we are experiencing is anthropogenic and how much is natural (we will probably never agree on this, and that’s perfectly fine. I simply note that you are able to express your views freely here, which is only normal, but far from the norm when dealing with members of the mainstream camp, who are often more inclined toward ad hominem attacks, insults, and public humiliation than toward calm and civil discussion).

This warming has not produced any of the catastrophes that the media have been brandishing for years as signs of an imminent collapse (record agricultural yields, for example, are hardly a disaster for anyone… except Malthusians and misanthropes).
It was the responsibility of scientific institutions and of an organization such as the IPCC to put things into perspective. Issuing a statement to refute the mainstream media’s tendency to predict the apocalypse every other day would have been a simple matter.

Reply to  Charles Armand
July 3, 2026 3:47 pm

“No upward trend in atmospheric blocking has been detected by the IPCC.”

Yes, the analysis I linked explicitly acknowledges that the explanation for the changing shape of the probability distribution is speculative, and the author is appropriately cautious about that.

But the change in the distribution itself is an observational result.

The uncertainty is about the mechanism, not about the observed increase in the probability of extremely hot days.

“It is obvious that the slight warming that has occurred (inconsistently) since 1850 has raised the temperatures reached during heatwaves. “

You think it’s slight?

“This warming has not produced any of the catastrophes that the media have been brandishing for years as signs of an imminent collapse (record agricultural yields, for example, are hardly a disaster for anyone… except Malthusians and misanthropes).”

I wouldn’t be so relieved just yet. The climate system hasn’t finished responding to the greenhouse gases we’ve already emitted, and we’re continuing to add more.

Never mind the slow feedbacks, such as ice albedo feedback from the gradual retreat of ice sheets, which will further amplify warming over time.

J Boles
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 4:13 pm

Then have you stopped using FF? Save the Eaarth!

Reply to  J Boles
July 3, 2026 4:47 pm

have you stopped using FF? “

No. Am I not allowed to use fossil fuels while you are? That’s a rather authoritarian standard.

oeman50
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 4:26 am

You are totally allowed to use fossil fuels. Except you want all of us to not be allowed to use them. Contradict yourself much?

Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 6:28 am

It is a moral question. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

If you feel that everyone should stop burning fossil fuels to the extent that laws and regulations should be implemented, then you also have a moral obligation to stop using them right now and not wait until everyone else follows suit.

Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 8:38 am

If you really believed FF are going to damage the planet and civilization you wouldn’t use them even if others do. Still using them makes you a hypocrite.

MarkW
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 8:38 am

No, it’s just pointing out your hypocrisy.
We do not believe that using FF is causing any problem. So there is no need for us to stop using it.

You do believe that using FF is an existential threat to the planet, yet you refuse to curtail your use of it.

Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 4:21 pm

FYI: The concentration of CO2 is 0.85 g per cubic meter of air and that of CH4 is 1.4 mg per cubic meter of air. The concentration of these gases is so low that they cannot cause any warming of the atmosphere.

Reply to  Harold Pierce
July 3, 2026 4:58 pm

Anthony Watts thinks otherwise.
He defends the greenhouse effect:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/05/27/new-wuwt-tv-segment-slaying-the-slayers-with-watts/

MarkW
Reply to  Harold Pierce
July 3, 2026 5:00 pm

Half a gram of the botulism toxin can kill a grown man.

Anthony Banton
Reply to  MarkW
July 3, 2026 11:13 pm

And even tho
The concentration of these gases is so low that they cannot cause any warming of the atmosphere.”

Said increased CO2 concentration is managing to green the planet

And:
About 90 % of atmospheric ozone (O3) resides in the stratosphere (the ozone layer), peaking at to 15 parts per million (ppm). The remaining 10% sits in the troposphere with a natural concentration of about 0.3 ppm.

NB: The current atmospheric concentration of CO2 is ~ 430ppm

Yet O3 Makes the planet liveable by screening out dangerous UV….

MarkW
Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 4, 2026 8:41 am

That a greenhouse affect exists, is not evidence that more CO2 will cause dangerous changes.
Not when you add in the fact that CO2 absorbs many of the same frequencies that H2O absorbs and that most of the frequencies that CO2 absorbs are already saturated.

Anthony Banton
Reply to  MarkW
July 4, 2026 11:08 am

Except that the main one (that corresponding to radiation at the Earth’s mean temp (~15micron)) is not saturated by H2O …..

Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 6:08 pm

Both Ice sheets are far more extensive than they have been for most of the last 10,000 years.

Arctic sea ice stopped recovering a from the high of 1979 that forced marine life out of the Arctic, and has been basically level for the past 15 or more years

Arctic-Sea-Ice-NSIDC-since-2005
Reply to  bnice2000
July 3, 2026 8:38 pm

Flat trends can occur over a few decades, especially given the internal variability of the Arctic climate.

Meanwhile, global warming continues at a rapid pace. Why should we expect this pause to persist?

Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 9:39 pm

Source:

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2025GL116175

“It is perhaps surprising that while global temperatures have risen rapidly, reaching record levels in the last fewyears, Arctic sea ice cover has shown no statistically significant decline over the past two decades. Nonetheless,analyzing two observational data sets and thousands of simulations from the CMIP5 and CMIP6 archives, we have established the following facts, which address the four questions raised in the introduction:

1. The pervasive slowdown of Arctic sea ice loss is robust across the choice of definitions, observational data set,and season.

2. This observed pause in ice loss is simulated relatively frequently (a nearly 20% chance) in climate models, and is thus to be expected even under high emission scenarios.

3. If model simulations are accurate, the recent pause may plausibly continue for an additional five to 10 years.However, this pause also heightens the risk of a more rapid decline in sea ice cover in the coming years.

4. Nearly all models analyzed suggest an important role for internal climate variability in slowing the anthropogenically‐forced sea ice loss.”



Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 6:35 am

thousands of simulations from the CMIP5 and CMIP6 archives

Have model simulations suddenly become accurate predictors of climate change? Can you show us a resource that shows model predictions have suddenly become accurate?

Reply to  Jim Gorman
July 4, 2026 8:13 am

It’s useful at times to be reminded of what those who who promote the models have said about them.

— “The data doesn’t matter. We’re not basing our recommendations on the data. We’re basing them on the climate models.” – Professor Chris Folland, Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research.

— “The models are convenient fictions that provide something very useful.” – Dr David Frame, climate modeler, Oxford University.

Reply to  Jim Gorman
July 4, 2026 9:18 am

No. The point is that an observed feature of the real climate (a roughly 20 year slowdown in sea ice loss) falls within the range of behavior that CMIP5 and CMIP6 models have simulated due to internal variability. Successfully reproducing observed behavior doesn’t prove the models are perfect, but it does increase confidence that they capture an important aspect of climate.

Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 6:32 am

You have shown no resources that contradict the fact that previous ice core data from diverse places show that rapid cooling and warming of the type we are seeing has periodically occurred during glacial and interglacial periods.

Show us your resource that contradicts that.

Reply to  Jim Gorman
July 4, 2026 9:20 am
MarkW
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 8:43 am

The fact that it has increased before and then reversed, many times, gives the lie to the belief that this time the trend is permanent.
The fact that world temperatures were as much as 2 to 3 degrees warmer than today for most of the last 20,000 years, gives lie to the belief that a few more tenths of a degree of warming is an existential threat.

Reply to  MarkW
July 4, 2026 9:19 am

the trend is permanent.”

I don’t think the trend will continue indefinitely. Eventually, there won’t be much summer sea ice left to lose, so the long-term downward trend will necessarily level off.

Sweet Old Bob
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 1:02 pm

No Wadhams ?

When ?

😉

Mr.
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 3:32 pm

Geez some people are easily frightened.

I’d hate to see how you react to a real threat of any kind –
say an encounter with an angry raccoon.

George Thompson
Reply to  Mr.
July 3, 2026 5:21 pm

Angry raccoons are, actually, quite dangerous-saw one kill not 1 but 2 farm dogs. But an angry squirrell or chipmonk-now those are seriously dangerous critters…

Mr.
Reply to  George Thompson
July 3, 2026 6:15 pm

Well, how do we know that Eldrosion doesn’t ‘identify’ as a farm dog?

In which case, ‘they’ would be understandably frightened.

(Eldrosion I mean, not the farm dogs.
Gawd all this “identifying” shit causes havoc with proper use of pronouns doesn’t it?)

Reply to  Mr.
July 3, 2026 8:06 pm

Imagine obsessing so much over other people’s genders and pronouns. If someone tells me what they want to be called, I say ‘okay’ and move on with my life. The fact that this is apparently too much to ask for some people says a lot about how threatened they feel.

Mr.
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 8:31 pm

The only thing that I feel threated about mate, is that one day the numbers of rational adults will be outnumbered by the ranks of ideology-captured juveniles.

The comforting thought for me though, is that I probably won’t be around to see that happen.

I doubt that it will anyway – even Greta has moved on from global warming. She’s more into real wars now.

Reply to  Mr.
July 3, 2026 8:43 pm

Or perhaps Greta simply cares about more than one issue.

MarkW
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 8:49 am

Like most alarmists, she isn’t capable of obsessing about more than one thing at a time.
When was the last time she made a public pronouncement about how we were all going to die if fossil fuel use wasn’t stopped immediately?

George Thompson
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 8:40 pm

Threatened? Annoyed, irritated, hassled-leading to pissed off-but threatened? I think not. Keep reaching, cupcake.

Reply to  George Thompson
July 3, 2026 11:06 pm

Not even annoyed, irritated etc… I just don’t care.

A male is a male.. a woman is a woman.. his/her etc etc.

Anything else is pretence.

MarkW
Reply to  bnice2000
July 4, 2026 8:51 am

Those on the left are desperate to come up with explanations as to why people are so reluctant to agree with them. They also have to invent reasons to convince themselves that they are morally superior to those who don’t agree with them.

MarkW
Reply to  George Thompson
July 4, 2026 8:49 am

Perhaps even amused?

MarkW
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 8:47 am

The ones obsessing over pronouns are the ones demanding that reporters, or anyone else for that matter, who fail to use the “proper” ones be fired.

George Thompson
Reply to  Mr.
July 3, 2026 8:41 pm

Yup.

gyan1
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 3:45 pm

“the probability of extremely hot days have all increased”

Tamino is an alarmist hack.

In the real world most of modern warming was from warmer winter nights not summer highs. Since cold kills 10x more than heat “climate change” is net reducing weather related deaths. The data strongly supports this. The current warm period is the coldest of the preceding 5 since the last ice age. The long term trend is still down from the Holocene Thermal Optimum which was an average of 2C warmer than today for 4,000 years. An underlying hazard for humanity would be further cooling into another ice age.

More arable land with longer growing seasons along with an increase in biomass is the most profound result of increasing CO2 levels.

Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 4:03 pm

As the climate continues to warm, heat extremes will continue to intensify, and their impacts will increasingly test the limits of adaptation.

The problem is that CO2 is not the cause of climate change and vain efforts to reduce CO2 is not going to have any impacxt at all on climate change. Every 100 years of the CET exhibits a rising trend since it began in 1659. So CET increasing started well before industrial development at global scale.

Nothing that humans do can change Earth’s orbit so the climate will always change. The current warming trend can be traced to 1255 when sun zenith at perihelion was as far south as it can get. Since then, the tropics have been getting closer to the Sun as is all the northern hemisphere. Being closer means higher solar intensity and inevitably warmer.

Reply to  RickWill
July 3, 2026 5:22 pm

The current warming trend can be traced to 1255 when sun zenith at perihelion was as far south as it can get.”

So, do you reject the existence of the Little Ice Age?

Ddwieland
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 4:17 pm

Whether or not Tamino’s claims have scientific validity, Tamino’s graphs show the temperature highs and summer averages swinging widely — far wider than the trivial change in least squares fit. Finding cause for concern in that — trying to force it to support the alarmist narrative — takes considerable effort. But that’s the task that dedicated alarmists assign themselves.

Reply to  Ddwieland
July 3, 2026 4:52 pm

Suppose your salary increases by $2,000 every year, but there are bonuses and fluctuations of +/- $10,000.

The fluctuations are much larger than the yearly increase. But that doesn’t mean your salary isn’t increasing.

I hope that analogy helps.

leefor
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 6:59 pm

Does it mean you are better off? Or is it below GDP increase?

MarkW
Reply to  leefor
July 4, 2026 8:54 am

GDP has no impact your wealth. Does your neighbor getting a raise make you poorer?

You are probably thinking about inflation.

Mr.
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 7:43 pm

what was the base salary?
a retainer perhaps?
and were the fluctuations commissions earnings?
what were the billings targets?
and what did the recipient bring in gross in year?

What a crap analogy.

Reply to  Mr.
July 3, 2026 8:05 pm

It’s a great analogy.

I notice you’ve focused on the details of the salary rather than the statistical principle the analogy was illustrating.

How desperate.

A skeptikal spectacle.

leefor
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 8:12 pm

A statistical principle only holds true if all elements are considered. 😉

Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 5:31 am

It is a TERRIBLE analogy! Your average income will be determined by the actual values you receive and not by some arbitrary index point known as your “salary”.

MarkW
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 8:56 am

If an analogy fails to match the subject you are trying to analogize, then it isn’t fit for purpose.
Mr. demonstrated how inadequate your analog was.

The fact that you would rather stick to things that aren’t fit for purpose rather than deal with actual data is just par for the course for you.

MarkW
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 8:53 am

If you can’t measure it, you can say it might exist, but you can’t say it’s existence is proven.
That’s basic science, something no alarmist has ever mastered.

MarkW
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 4:52 pm

One of these days, these predictions will come true.
And if they continue to not come true, will you hold your breath until the world starts working the way the party says it should?

Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 6:01 pm

CET is badly affected by urban expansion and densification.

A comparison with non-urban sites shows this.

Tamino’s EMPTY mind.. suits you. !

UK-3-x-3-new-1749654188.1402
Reply to  bnice2000
July 3, 2026 6:24 pm

Well, WUWT clearly considers CET adequate for climate monitoring, as evidenced by this article:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/03/cet-cooling-in-line-with-solar-model-prediction/

Why won’t you tell them?

(That’s a rhetorical question. We all know the answer, of course.)

Anthony Banton
Reply to  bnice2000
July 3, 2026 11:25 pm

And here comes bnice again, exhibiting his lack of meteorological and thermodynamical physics knowledge, and comparing places that have an overwhelming oceanic influence with those over land……

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Victor
Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 4, 2026 1:34 pm

I have discovered that the Earth’s orbit is more unstable at perihelion and aphelion.
Run a simulation to see if there is a connection between temperature fluctuations and perihelion/aphelion.

Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 4, 2026 5:25 pm

Yes, ocean temperatures are more in line with global temperatures.

Nice that you have shown that urban and population influences are the cause of most warming over land.

Well done , and thank you.

Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 1:07 am

You cannot compare the whole of Europe with the 48 contiguous states. There are several reasons. Firstly, most if not all of Europe will fit into Texas and its immediate neighbour states. Secondly, the population of the British Isles, France and Germany alone total almost 200 million people, approximately 2/3 of the total population of the USA in an area approximately the size of Texas (which has a population 50% of that of the U.K. alone). That is a lot of urbanisation.

MarkW
Reply to  JohnC
July 4, 2026 9:09 am

Back in the 80’s I worked for a company in Atlanta. We had a group of German’s in for a two week seminar. We asked them what they planned to do for the weekend. They said they were planning on driving to Dallas to visit some sites they had read about.
They were shocked when we told them it was a 14 hour drive (this was still in the days of Carter’s 55mph speed limits),
More like 16 hours when you included gas and food stops.

Most Europeans have no idea how big the US is. They have nothing to compare it to.

(This is the same reason why trains might work in Japan and the US, but fail miserably in the US. Japan has a population of about 123million (US population is about 350million) with a land area that is about the size of California). Japan also has a much higher percentage of their country as mountain.

Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 1:56 am

But the important question is, what do you want to do about it? What policies are you advocating, and what effect will they have on the supposed problem?

And don’t say, we should try and persuade China, India Indonesia etc to reduce their emissions or even slow down the rate of increase. As recent history shows, there is zero chance of that.

So what do you want to do?

By the way, Tamino. Lost all credibility with me when he defended supposed ‘short centered’ PCA, and then pretended that the world’s leading authority on PCA had endorsed that ridiculous and fraudulent procedure.

Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 6:09 am

As an analysis of the CET record shows (see below), summer temperatures, the hottest day of the year, and the probability of extremely hot days have all increased

Hot days do not cause destruction of infrastructure that needs replacing. Population growth in conjunction with growth in infrastructure and inflation is what causes an increase in capital investment being affected. The amount of and severity storms or hot weather of has not been proven to be a factor.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Jim Gorman
July 4, 2026 7:54 am

Even NOAA recognises that

“More specifically, these trends are further complicated by the fact that much of the growth has taken place in vulnerable areas like coasts and river floodplains. Vulnerability is especially high where building codes are insufficient for reducing damage from extreme events”

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/billions/faq

Reply to  gyan1
July 4, 2026 8:25 am

Especially young people. Anyone who has been around more than half a century knows we’ve always had floods, fires, tornadoes, heat waves, etc. Also, several decades ago, you didn’t hear about every one of those events happening anywhere on the planet as we do now.

July 3, 2026 3:54 pm

CO2 demonisation is a cargo cult approach addressing the wrong cause. All the effort to demonise CO2 is thoroughly counter-productive.

I have 100% confidence in stating that reducing CO2 atmospheric emissions will not stop climate change. And the simple reason is obvious to everyone – when did climate ever stop changing?

The CET is the longest instrumented record. It has exhibited an upward trend ever century since it began records in 1659. Unless you can explain that, you do not understand any cause of climate change.

Reply to  RickWill
July 3, 2026 4:08 pm

The fact that the CET has warmed since 1659 doesn’t tell us that the causes of warming have remained the same throughout the record.

The analysis I linked to found statistically significant warming in 3 independent metrics, with each showing faster recent warming than earlier in the record.The exact amount of acceleration is uncertain though.

This suggests the recent warming is not simply a continuation of the earlier trend.

MarkW
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 5:04 pm

Until you prove that whatever caused earlier warmings is not causing the current warming, you have failed the NULL hypothesis and your thesis fails.
That’s how science used to work.

Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 6:16 pm

Recent warming is all to do with absorbed solar radiation increases. (see attached)

Nothing to do with human released CO2

120 Years Of Shortwave And Longwave Flux Analysis Show Ocean Heat Changes Are Unrelated To CO2

Absorbed-solar-radiation-increases-due-to-downward-trends-in-cloud-cover-drive-2000-to-2022-warming-Loeb-2024
Reply to  bnice2000
July 3, 2026 8:40 pm

“Recent warming is all to do with absorbed solar radiation increases. (see attached)”

Yes, albedo decreases. It’s a response to greenhouse gas induced global warming.

Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 6:52 am

Yes, albedo decreases. It’s a response to greenhouse gas induced global warming.

Albedo has to do with incoming short wavelength insolation from the sun and how much is absorbed by the oceans and the land. Greenhouse gasses have little effect on short wavelength reflection or absorption at the surface.

MarkW
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 9:15 am

Do you have any evidence to support your belief?
Since increased CO2 is supposed to cause more evaporation (the source of the increased drought and storms myth), and more evaporation means more clouds, more CO2 should cause more clouds, not fewer.

Reply to  MarkW
July 4, 2026 9:41 am

Do you have any evidence to support your belief?”

Yes. Bnice already posted it. There has been an increase in absorbed solar radiation.

Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 10:44 am

The link brice posted says nothing about albedo that I can see. The report in the image uses the word three times, once in the list of factors and once in the reference list. The third time attributes a reduction in albedo to less sea-ice – hardly a large impact on the globe because of the very limited area involved.

This means your assertion is *NOT* supported very well. You need to give more evidence.

Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 8:36 pm

What a stupid claim you made here as CO2 changes has negligible to do with Albedo changes.

Anthony Banton
Reply to  bnice2000
July 3, 2026 11:36 pm

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1412190111

The greenhouse effect is well-established. Increased concentrations of greenhouse gases, such as CO2, reduce the amount of outgoing longwave radiation (OLR) to space; thus, energy accumulates in the climate system, and the planet warms. However, climate models forced with CO2 reveal that global energy accumulation is, instead, primarily caused by an increase in absorbed solar radiation (ASR). This study resolves this apparent paradox. The solution is in the climate feedbacks that increase ASR with warming—the moistening of the atmosphere and the reduction of snow and sea ice cover. Observations and model simulations suggest that even though global warming is set into motion by greenhouse gases that reduce OLR, it is ultimately sustained by the climate feedbacks that enhance ASR.

Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 4, 2026 6:55 am

energy accumulates in the climate system, and the planet warms.

And if that absorbed energy is not ultimately radiated away, the earth will melt. It probably would have in the past when CO2 had much higher concentrations. That kind of disproves that CO2 can trap energy for long periods of time doesn’t it?

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Jim Gorman
July 4, 2026 8:20 am

It probably would have in the past when CO2 had much higher concentrations. That kind of disproves that CO2 can trap energy for long periods of time doesn’t it?”

Not at all – which is obvious to anyone who applies logic and knowledge to the matter.

What was the state of the planet and solar sytem at that time?
Strength of the Sun?
Albedo.
Continental configuration?
Consequent ocean currents (heat transport).
Atmospheric aerosols (volcanism).

Just another 1D thought synapse in your brain.
Try employing more.

Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 4, 2026 10:46 am

Nothing you list has anything to do with RETAINING heat in the system. It only affects the incoming and outgoing heat flows. Heat transport is *NOT* heat retention.

Try again. You failed with this.

Reply to  RickWill
July 3, 2026 4:28 pm

The CET is the longest instrumented record. It has exhibited an upward trend ever century since it began records in 1659. 

Between 1701 and 1800 average annual temperature in CET was 9.2 C. Between 1801 and 1900 it was 9.1 C.

The trend in CET annual temperatures in the 200 years from 1701 to 1900 is -0.01 C per decade cooling. The trend in CET in the 125 years from 1901 to 2025 is +0.11 C per decade warming.

The data are here. Check it for yourself.

leefor
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 3, 2026 7:02 pm

So it has warmed. Now show causation. 😉

Reply to  leefor
July 4, 2026 6:56 am

Causation that is different from higher CO2 concentrations in the past.

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Jim Gorman
July 4, 2026 8:23 am

I pose vital questions to you on that above.

Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 4, 2026 5:20 pm

You pose…… but that is about all. !

Reply to  RickWill
July 3, 2026 4:30 pm

What climate change? About 80% of the climate is water, ice and snow and activities of human can have no effect on these large masses.

Reply to  Harold Pierce
July 3, 2026 4:50 pm

What climate change?”

+1.3°C since the pre-industrial era.

Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 5:43 pm

ie the Little Ice Age.

Be very thankful ! or move to Siberia.

George Thompson
Reply to  bnice2000
July 3, 2026 8:33 pm

I hear Siberia is running overly COLD this year…much below averages; note I said plural.

Reply to  George Thompson
July 3, 2026 9:09 pm

Japan is having a cold snap too.

SH not faring too well either.

Very rare snow in Buenos Aires Province.

The whole of South America is freezing from a polar outbreak.

Reply to  bnice2000
July 3, 2026 9:32 pm

Meanwhile, UAH Global just recorded its 3rd warmest June on record, and during a La Niña.

MarkW
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 9:20 am

More like a La Nada, the world is still colder than it was during the Medieval, Roman, Egyptian and Minoan warm periods and much colder that it was during the Holocene Optimum.

MarkW
Reply to  bnice2000
July 4, 2026 9:19 am

That’s the thing about heat domes, for every one, there is a matching area where temperatures are cooler than normal.
The only difference is that this year, the heat domes have settled over hightly populated areas.

Anthony Banton
Reply to  bnice2000
July 4, 2026 8:26 am

Which was before mankind burn FFs in any quantity.

Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 4, 2026 5:18 pm

Which makes zero difference except to human prosperity.

MarkW
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 9:17 am

At most 0.1 to 0.2 C of that was caused by CO2.

BTW, the world still hasn’t warmed back to the temperatures that were enjoyed during the Medieval Warm Period.

Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 8:38 pm

Gee it is a recovery from a cold LIA phase, it was going to go up……, LOL.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 6, 2026 9:52 am

-30 F since last Saturday.

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Harold Pierce
July 4, 2026 8:25 am

Yet an overall 0.3ppm and a max of 8-15ppm of O3 in the Stratosphere shields the planet from deadly UV radiation.
Current CO2 concentration = ~430ppm

July 3, 2026 4:05 pm

It’s telling that alarmists like Eldrision cannot define an “ideal” global climate. They can’t even set a benchmark for what an “ideal” global average temperature would be.

Temperature is the worst possible metric for “climate” because it can’t differentiate between climates with the same temperature range but different climates.

Climate science and its supporters always use the excuse that climates are local or regional and not global. Then why in Pete’s name are they using a “global” average temperature?

Reply to  Tim Gorman
July 3, 2026 4:14 pm

Why would I need to define an “ideal” global average temperature? What’s the point of defining an “ideal” global temperature if the climate is warming so rapidly that we won’t remain at that threshold?

Then why in Pete’s name are they using a “global” average temperature?”

Because global average temperature is one of the most informative metrics we have for tracking changes in Earth’s energy balance. It isn’t intended to describe every regional climate.

George Thompson
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 5:28 pm

Say what? I guess we have a new troll…oboy.

leefor
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 3, 2026 7:03 pm

Does “global average temperature” mean the same to people in say Colorado and people in Tasmania?

Mr.
Reply to  leefor
July 3, 2026 7:51 pm

not a fair question.
that would mean 16C.
Tasmanians can only count to 11 even with their extra finger.

Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 5:05 am

Why would I need to define an “ideal” global average temperature?”

If you can’t define the ideal global climate then how do you determine if we are moving towards it or away from it?

“What’s the point of defining an “ideal” global temperature if the climate is warming so rapidly that we won’t remain at that threshold?”

And if the ideal global temperature is WARMER than today then why would we want to limit how quickly we get there?

Because global average temperature is one of the most informative metrics we have for tracking changes in Earth’s energy balance. It isn’t intended to describe every regional climate.”

Temperature is absolutely the *worst* metric to use for climate. Other factors such as precipitation are MUCH better metrics.

Energy balance is a TIME function. It must be evaluated over centuries at least in order to identify all of the low frequency cycles that are involved. All climate science is doing is looking at part of a sinusoid (i.e. 30 years or so) and predicting the future. Depending on which part of the cycle you look at, the future could be ANYTHING.

MarkW
Reply to  Tim Gorman
July 4, 2026 9:23 am

Temperature plus humidity (I believe that is called enthalpy) is much better than temperature alone, though even that is still far from perfect.

Like most alarmists Eldrosion will use whatever is at hand, whether it is appropriate or not. All that matters is does the metric support what he wants to believe.

Reply to  MarkW
July 4, 2026 11:28 am

Enthalpy is at least an extensive property that can be averaged. The issue is that it is not constant over an area. Climate has many other factors as well, most of them highly variable. It doesn’t lend itself to parameterization or homogenization. Of course enthalpy is the same. The enthalpy of the central plains savannahs and the African savannahs are quite different but the climate is generally the same, that’s why they both are savannahs. Trying to average the enthalpies of each together doesn’t give much usable, physical information. In essence, they would be two separate modes in a multi-modal distribution, just like temperatures in the NH and SH. The average of a multi-modal distribution is pretty much physicially useless. And anomalies don’t fix the problem because the modes have different variances which the anomalies inherit.

Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 7:04 am

What’s the point of defining an “ideal” global temperature if the climate is warming so rapidly that we won’t remain at that threshold?

Pretty simple really. I’m not surprised you missed it. Without knowing the optimum temperature for all life on the planet, one cannot know whether we are below it, at it, or above it.

Some biological studies have recommended that an optimum temperature FOR ALL LIFE is in the 20 to 22°C range. That is far above what it is currently.

What that means is, that if you are concerned about all life, then you should be concentrating on adaptation for humans rather than trying to reduce temperatures by reducing CO2 concentration.

That kinda questions the morality you are espousing doesn’t it?

Reply to  Eldrosion
July 4, 2026 8:40 pm

Only science illiterates like you swallow this baloney, as you think a he he …. ha ha ha…. single temperature number tell us all we need to know about the energy flows of the planet.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Eldrosion
July 6, 2026 9:54 am

“Why would I need to define an “ideal” global average temperature?”

Because without that definition, no one knows if we have departed the optimum or moving towards it.

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Tim Gorman
July 3, 2026 11:48 pm

It’s telling that alarmists like Eldrision cannot define an “ideal” global climate. They can’t even set a benchmark for what an “ideal” global average temperature would be.”

How about the *climate* that is best suited to the current human civilisation.

That is the one that existed when humans built on this planet. Put our biggest cities predominantly on coasts and packed them with people…..

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-73287-x

leefor
Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 4, 2026 12:34 am

So the “climate” only for people on the coast? You don’t want farms or produce do you? 🙂

Anthony Banton
Reply to  leefor
July 4, 2026 4:58 am

Oh, use your noggin!

Sea-level rise FFS

Derg
Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 4, 2026 6:58 am

Is that why the UN built their building so close to the water 😉

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Derg
July 4, 2026 8:33 am

“The iconic United Nations Headquarters was built at the edge of the East River in Manhattan because John D. Rockefeller Jr. donated an 18-acre, former slaughterhouse site there in 1946. This waterfront location provides seaborne logistical advantages common to coastal development, while also providing a unique, sustainable cooling system for the buildings. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]”

Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 4, 2026 9:30 am

“The iconic United Nations Headquarters was built at the edge of the East River in Manhattan because John D. Rockefeller Jr. donated an 18-acre, former slaughterhouse site there in 1946.”

The UN building is on the site of a former slaughterhouse.
Seems appropiate.
(But why say “former”?)

Reply to  Derg
July 4, 2026 8:40 am

The UN should move away from the coast to someplace inland and in the mountains. Move to, say, Switzerland or the Pyrenees in Europe.

MarkW
Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 4, 2026 9:32 am

Sea level rise is so slow that adaptation is cheap and easy.

Reply to  MarkW
July 4, 2026 9:39 am

Perhaps. But the issue isn’t just how fast sea level is rising today. It’s that the rise accumulates.

Each increment raises the baseline for future coastal flooding and erosion.

If the ice sheets continue losing mass, tomorrow’s adaptation won’t simply be today’s adaptation repeated.

It will have to cope with a progressively higher sea level.

Anthony Banton
Reply to  MarkW
July 4, 2026 11:16 am

cheap and easy.”

LOL:
Right, it’s cheap/easy to move, oh, I don’t know – New York, London (has a tidal barrier but that wont stop metres of SL rise – I know that’s in the next century), Amsterdam ……

Top Ten Largest Cities:

  1. Tokyo, Japan (coastal)
  2. Mexico Cisty, Mexico
  3. Mumbai, India (coastal)
  4. Sáo Paulo, Brazil
  5. New York City, USA (coastal)
  6. Shanghai, China (coastal)
  7. Lagos, Nigeria (coastal)
  8. Los Angeles, USA (coastal)
  9. Calcutta, India (coastal)
  10. Buenos Aires, Argentina (coastal)

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Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 4, 2026 8:49 pm

Sea level was higher centuries ago

The Holocene Sea Level Highstand
LINK

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Huge Database Of Studies Documenting Meters-Higher Mid-Holocene Sea Levels Swells Again In 2020
LINK

leefor
Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 6, 2026 3:44 am

Ah, how many hundreds of years do we have to wait? 😉

Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 4, 2026 7:09 am

That is the one that existed when humans built on this planet. Put our biggest cities predominantly on coasts and packed them with people…..

You just showed your lack of empathy for ALL LIFE on this planet. Don’t you feel ashamed for putting human life above all other life? If you cared about ALL LIFE you would be agitating for humans to use their creativity to adapt to changing conditions while allowing ALL LIFE to flourish.

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Jim Gorman
July 4, 2026 8:42 am

That is a shameful inference on what I posted.
Totally without merit (even considering the standards of this place when trying to win a point.
And I take great exception to it.
It’s ironic that I am supposed to be a socialist ( AKA as Greens) in the deluded minds of most denizens.
When have the left/greens been of that mind (lack of empathy for ALL LIFE )?

Incedible how bigotedness has shifting sands depending on what/who you want to denigrate.

BTW: I’m NOT a socialist … I’m just against the sort of thing you just posted, and the spread of misinformation borne of an ideological mindset.

0perator
Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 4, 2026 8:31 am

Ok eugenicist

MarkW
Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 4, 2026 9:29 am

Why do you assume that whatever climate that existed when civilization started, is by definition the best climate for civilization?
Humans created civilization because it was needed to help organize the increasingly complex activities they were engaging in.

At the rate the oceans are rising we can adapt by waiting for the buildings closest to the shore to wear out from age and use, tear them down, then rebuild a few miles inland rather then in place.

BTW, it was warmer when civilization started than it is today.
In fact most of the bursts in civilization building occurred during the warm periods since the end of the Holocene Optimum.

Anthony Banton
Reply to  MarkW
July 4, 2026 11:21 am

Why do you assume that whatever climate that existed when civilization started, is by definition the best climate for civilization?”

Because of the upheaval to relocate many billions of peeps inland.
Think about it – not just housing but transport infrastructure. Energy infrastructure. Manufacturing infrastructure. Agricultural land repurposed due the above.

Don’t you think mankind has enough problems to cope with now without having to do all that over the coming century or two?

Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 4, 2026 1:17 pm

Sounds to me like LOTS OF HIGH PAYING JOBS being involved. Most of this AI can’t do!

You see that as being a problem?

Richard Mott
July 3, 2026 4:14 pm

For readers who aren’t familiar with his work, check out Roger Pielke Jr. on the topic of severe weather damage. He has written extensively over many years and called out similar failures of basic science. One of his revelations is that the so-called “billion dollar disaster” “database” included a fabricated dataset created to market insurance products. For details on that, search his name and the page titled “apples, oranges, and normalized hurricane damage”.

Rational Keith
July 3, 2026 4:44 pm

Thankyou.

observa
July 3, 2026 5:51 pm

measuring disaster losses relative to GDP has become standard practice in disaster economics.

and even that may understate the growth in the value of fixed assets as lefties are always complaining the rich countries are getting richer and LLoyds names aren’t exactly insuring mud huts in the developing world.

Speaking of industrial devolution and lefties their boy Rossy gets some ZEN relying on the usual suspects and the Great Leap Forward-
Renewables company ZEN Energy enters administration, citing ‘wholesale volatility’

Rod Evans
July 3, 2026 11:02 pm

For me, the difficulty with comparing current to past conditions, comes down to definition.
Consider for example which disaster goes into the graph of climate related disasters?
Would, for example, the sinking of the Titanic be considered a disaster that should be attributed to climate or weather to be more correct? Was the calving ice bergs that drifted into the Atlantic due to a weather event? Or was it just plain human error that caused the disaster.
The devil is, as always in the detail, but how often is the detail examined? That used to be a journalists role. They used to ask questions and seek out the facts sadly that is no longer the case. If only we had maintained the core feature/duty of reporting, rather than allow the media to simply become the loudspeaker for the latest state/international cause celebre.
The World is collectively wasting $billions on changing energy policies that are just one small possibly insignificant feature, making up the chaotic weather outcomes we are always and have always lived with.
Before you know it some clown will advance the idea we must block out the sun while another clown will be advancing carpeting the world with solar panels.
Maybe someone should point out nature has been running the show on Earth for around 4.5 billion years while humans have been around for less than a fraction of 1% of that time.
Maybe someone should remind the over anxious climate alarmist community just how insignificant we actually are in the greater scheme of things….

Bill Toland
July 4, 2026 1:41 am

“The reality is that as climate change continues, the pattern of more heat waves, more droughts, more heavy weather, and of course also more floods is going up…”

It’s hilarious the level of cognitive dissonance among climate alarmists. How can both floods and droughts be increasing simultaneously?

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Bill Toland
July 4, 2026 5:06 am

Because of a higher frequency of locked global atmospheric waves (Rossby) creating “stuck” weather patterns.

A hotter atmosphere hold more WV.

High cell heat-domes + cut-off Lows generating heavy rain, thundery in summer.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2504482122

AbstractWe demonstrate a tripling in the frequency of planetary wave resonance events over the past halfcentury, coinciding with the rise in persistent boreal summer weather extremes. This increase aligns with changes in the underlying climate conditions favoring these events, including amplified Arctic warming and land–sea thermal contrast. We also observe increased prevalence of resonant amplification events following the mature phase of strong El Niño events, suggesting that such events may precondition the mean state conditions in ways that favor large-scale quasi-stationary wave patterns and quasi-resonant wave amplification. Since the impact of anthropogenic warming on quasi-resonant amplification is not well captured by current-generation climate models, it is likely that models are underpredicting the potential increase, indicating even greater risk of persistent extreme summer weather events with ongoing warming.”

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Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 4, 2026 7:14 am

Another graph that doesn’t include the 1930″s warming. I wonder why the warming rate at that time was not significant.

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Jim Gorman
July 4, 2026 8:48 am

It was significant – then – and the reasons are well known;

Natural Climate Variability: Decadal shifts in ocean temperatures, particularly in the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, led to natural fluctuations that warmed the Earth’s surface. This shift also caused a dramatic warming of air and sea temperatures in the Arctic. [1, 2, 3]
Industrial Greenhouse Gases: While far lower than today, the accumulation of atmospheric \(CO_{2}\) and other greenhouse gases from early industrialization and the burning of fossil fuels began to force the climate system. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Land-Use Changes: Severe and unsustainable agricultural practices over the Great Plains led to the “Dust Bowl” droughts. Stripping away native prairie grass removed vital soil moisture, allowing much more solar radiation to be absorbed and reinforcing deep atmospheric heat. Research indicates this extreme regional heat triggered an atmospheric reaction that amplified high temperatures across much of the Northern Hemisphere. [1, 2, 3, 4]

The cooling thereafter came as the above factors faded (CO2 forcing was still minor) and atmospheric aerosols increased during and after WW2 before decreasing again as clean air acts came into effect around the world with CO2 forcing eventually drowning most natural variation.

IOW: your usual 1D thinking (all warming has to be caused by CO2 else it’s not happening now).

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Jim Gorman
July 4, 2026 8:57 am

Additionally….

https://news.ucar.edu/132872/1930s-dust-bowl-affected-extreme-heat-around-northern-hemisphere

Influence of Wave-5Additional analysis of the simulations revealed the reason the Dust Bowl had such a pronounced effect on other regions: it generated a series of far-reaching vertical motions in the atmosphere. Such movements are known as a wavenumber-5 or wave-5 teleconnection — so named because it consists of five pairs of alternating high- and low-pressure features that encircle the globe along jet streams.
In this case, the intense surface heating of the Great Plains created an upward motion of warm air, which then moved downward in surrounding areas, suppressing the formation of clouds over much of the northern U.S. and Canada. It also produced sinking air that suppressed clouds in other regions around the Northern Hemisphere, allowing more sunlight to reach the surface and resulting in soaring temperatures. At the same time, the pattern enabled warm, southerly winds to reach as far north as Scandinavia and eastern Asia. These winds contributed to the extreme heat over much of northern Europe and parts of eastern Asia.”

In other words “Man-made”
The stupid farming practises of farmers in the US midwest, managed to create a quasi-stationary global Rossby wave-train which caused feedbacks to the favourable Pacific and Atlantic Sea temps.

Bill Toland
Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 5, 2026 5:03 am

Utter drivel. The fact remains that there has been no increase in severe weather events.

July 4, 2026 1:42 am

The data was corrected for increased GDP. Was it also corrected for inflation?
Then, even that weak upward trend would probably go downwards…

July 4, 2026 12:34 pm

So-called journalists, mostly liberal arts majors with practically no science or mathematical education or acumen, are too ignorant to see the difference between raw numbers and normalized numbers. Even if some do know the difference, their profession incentivizes fear-mongering and hyperbole to generate clicks and ad revenue. Also, from their world views, they think nothing of lying and distortion to achieve their political objectives.