Larry Sanger blocked from editing the encyclopedia he helped create
If you ever needed another example of how far Wikipedia has drifted from its original mission of neutrality and open participation, consider the latest development: Wikipedia co-founder Larry Sanger has reportedly been indefinitely blocked from editing the site he helped create.
According to a New York Post report, Sanger’s offense appears to have been promoting what he calls “intellectual diversity” on the platform and encouraging broader participation from viewpoints that have often found themselves marginalized by Wikipedia’s increasingly ideological editor class.
Sanger launched “WikiProject Intellectual Diversity” with the stated goal of restoring Wikipedia’s original commitment to neutrality, transparency, and balanced representation of differing viewpoints. Instead of welcoming that effort, Wikipedia’s volunteer administrators responded by blocking him indefinitely from editing.
The irony is impossible to miss.
The man who coined the name “Wikipedia,” helped write its foundational policies, and co-founded the project in 2001 has now been judged unfit to participate in the encyclopedia he helped build.
Sanger’s Complaint Sounds Familiar
Sanger told the Post he was “flabbergasted” by the decision and described Wikipedia’s governance structure as resembling a “mob or a blob,” where editors often defer to group consensus rather than consistent application of rules.
He further argued that disciplinary actions on Wikipedia lack meaningful due process, with anonymous administrators acting as investigator, prosecutor, judge, and jury. Anyone who has watched Wikipedia’s handling of controversial topics over the last decade will find these criticisms unsurprising.
The encyclopedia still markets itself as a collaborative project written by hundreds of thousands of volunteers. Yet Sanger argues that actual control rests with a remarkably small cadre of administrators, many operating anonymously. The Post notes Sanger’s long-standing contention that a tiny group of editors exercises disproportionate influence over content and editorial decisions.
Climate Skeptics Learned This Lesson Years Ago
For readers of WUWT, none of this is news.
Wikipedia’s climate-related articles have been exhibiting ideological bias for years. Articles dealing with climate science, climate policy, skepticism, energy policy, and individual scientists routinely present one side of complex scientific and political debates while minimizing or dismissing competing viewpoints. Editors who attempt to add sourced material that challenges prevailing narratives often discover that neutrality operates in only one direction.
Wikipedia’s “reliable sources” framework has increasingly become a mechanism for enforcing ideological conformity. Sources that align with establishment positions are frequently elevated, while dissenting voices are categorized as unreliable regardless of the quality of their underlying arguments or evidence.
The result is a system where consensus is often treated as proof and where political alignment frequently determines editorial outcomes. That tendency becomes especially obvious in climate-related topics, where Wikipedia has long functioned less as an encyclopedia and more as a narrative-enforement platform.
I have experienced this firsthand.
Wikipedia contains falsehoods and misleading claims on my own biography page. Despite being the subject of the article and possessing direct knowledge of the factual errors involved, I am effectively unable to make corrections.
Wikipedia’s conflict-of-interest rules make it extraordinarily difficult for subjects of articles to fix inaccuracies, while anonymous editors with no direct knowledge of the facts are granted final authority over what remains published. The practical effect is that errors can persist indefinitely if they serve the preferred narrative of the editor community. This is one reason many public figures have largely given up trying to correct misinformation about themselves on Wikipedia.
Now even one of Wikipedia’s founders appears unable to challenge the prevailing editorial culture.
The Sanger episode illustrates a deeper issue.
Institutions often begin with noble goals and gradually become captured by those most committed to advancing particular ideological objectives. Over time, procedural neutrality gives way to political enforcement, and diversity of thought becomes less important than conformity of opinion. When the co-founder of Wikipedia can be indefinitely blocked for advocating intellectual diversity, it becomes difficult to maintain the fiction that Wikipedia remains the politically neutral reference source it claims to be.
The encyclopedia remains useful for many technical and non-political topics. But on subjects involving politics, culture, energy, climate, COVID, gender issues, or any other controversial area, readers should approach Wikipedia with considerable skepticism.
The safest approach to Wikipedia is simple:
- Never rely on Wikipedia as a primary source.
- Follow citations to original documents.
- Read competing viewpoints.
- Check primary data whenever possible.
And when the annual fundraising banners appear urging you to donate in order to “protect free knowledge,” remember that free knowledge requires intellectual diversity, open debate, and a willingness to tolerate disagreement. Wikipedia has none of that now.
Wikipedia has no factual capital left, it’s time for it to go the way of the Dodo.
He created a monster, didn’t he.
They need to get rid of the editors. Use AI.
I have found Grokipedia to be excellent the few times I have looked for something. That includes the entry on me, which is very think on Wikipedia.
And what data are used to train the AI?
The whole of the Internet.
So consensus…
Spot on.
More specifically, the legal evidentiary standard of the preponderance of the evidence, which is the lowest evidentiary standard in a court trial.
One source is Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Foundation_financial_development.svg
Interesting. 300 million in the bank, and the rate of growth relative to income and expenses indicates a good stock portfolio.
Does anyone know if the anonymous editors are paid?
Now that they have full control, voting themselves riches is the usual next step.
almost 300 million taken in last year …
This almost happens with “not-for-profits”. Once the second generation of “management” takes control, the original intent and philosophy of the founder(s) is history. Most pertinent example, which is only incidentally climate related, is the Sierra Club.
and Greenpeace.
The Sierra Club is now a scam and the club officers and lawyers are probably ripping off the members for big bucks. Now adays the Sierra Club ls always filling lawsuits over various environmental issues thus keeping staff and the lawyers very busy. To finance these lawsuits they use club dues and donations from the public.
The US and Canada still have vast unexplored regions. If the officers were true to founding principles of the club, they would be spending most of their time hiking and camping.
“The irony is impossible to miss.” YUP.
Wiki has developed an amazing ability to pound nails into its own coffin.
Even on nonpolitical purely technical matters, I have found them increasingly unreliable—as in often partly or sometimes even totally incorrect when checked against other more reliable sources. My most recent set of examples was inspired by my fiancé. It concerns the birds I am encountering now back at my northern Illinois golf course townhome. Sibley’s North American Bird Guide (second addition, downloaded to my iPad at her recommendation) proves how off the equivalent Wiki bird queries can be.
Never use it unless I want to find the population or capital of bum-f#$k Egypt. That’s it. Or maybe all the episodes info for Midsomer Murders. Totally useless and compromised by Marxists and mini dickwits.
Junk:
Yep. “Do not use wikipedia.” are the 4 words I append to almost AI query.
I use the free versions of Gemini, Copilot and Grok. IMO Grok seems less “woke”.
Oh no! How come?! Unbelievable! Wikipedia has been the best reference source for the UN climate publications! /S
See United Nations Uses Wikipedia Graph, Spot the Hockey Stick #n+… etc.
I used to like Wikipedia’s technical info on basic electronics, computer and Internet technology, and the like, all of which is now a click away on any AI platform.
I’m pretty sure USPS cancels my snail mails refusing to platform my “misinformation.”
Right. USPS gives a shit about you.
Having worked in a post office I’ll add you’re overestimating the organization’s energy level.
Humor – a difficult concept.
— Lt. Saavik
I’m pretty sure you need to get professional help if you really believe that.
Even your broken LoT and bad energy balance misinformation wouldn’t be on USPS’s radar…
Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out. Who was it that said that any organization, that does not begin as conservative, tends to become more and more left leaning.
That’s how many organizations founded by conservatives go too. Look at what foundations started by Carnegie, Henry and Edsel Ford, and other industrialists from the early 20th century and before have funded starting in the latter half of the 20th century.
The people who got control of the Carnegie foundation after his death almost instantly stopped building libraries and doing other things he established his foundation to do.
Any organization that is not explicitly right wing will, over time, eventually become left wing.
-John O’Sullivan
(Often incorrectly attributed to Robert Conquest)
Attributed to David Horowitz.
“For readers of WUWT, none of this is news.”
As far as Sanger is concerned, it shouldn’t be news to anyone. He left Wikipedia in 2002, and in 2006 launched a competing platform Citizendium. He seems to be mainly motivated by Clristian concerns.
Well, they’ve certainly got it in for you too, Nick –
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nick Stokes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nick_Stokes
🙂
Wiki has slipped up there. They say I’m fictional, but you and I know better:)
🙂
True, you’re just full of fiction.
ROFL wish I could give that +100 🙂
For Jeff….
Since I cannot prove it, I cannot know it.
😉
Wikipedia was fine when it started but soon people found they could change entries and it went down hill. The Marxist octopus is everywhere.
I had lunch with Jimmy Wales (the other founder of Wiki) many, many years ago. His 2 kids were there too. I was on a work trip to Florida, and he managed a mailing list I subscribed to, so wrote him and we met up at the hotel restaurant. Cool guy, I think I knew him enough to say he was totally honest with his statement: “Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is given free access to the sum of all human knowledge. That’s what we’re doing.”
I still have his old email address – never tried it. I don’t know where he stands on the current mess – I doubt he’s happy.
The far left has always attacked those less committed, or pure, than themselves.
This is why I NEVER donated to that place, no confidence in them is only the beginning why I will never support it.
The Wayback Machine deserves a donation; I donated to their website five times now.
Hoisted on the petard he founded?
Irony …
Something about the road to Hell and paving materials?
Reminds one of O’Sullivan’s Law –
“any organization that does not start as explicitly right-wing will eventually drift to the left over time. This concept suggests that without a firm ideological foundation, organizations may lose their original conservative principles.”
More: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22O%27Sullivan%27s+Law%22&t=ffcm&ia=web
The problem with this law is that most Leftists believe that Hitler and Mussolini were ‘right-wingers’.
Hitler was gay, I’m sure.
(nothing wrong with that of course, unless you’re A. Hitler).
Observations that underpin my theory –
any other signs?
Agreed. It does not seem to matter how many times Adolf stated or wrote, “I am a Socialist.” They refuse to admit their religion has included and encouraged every famous political mass murderer over the past three centuries.
And like all good leftists, he was rather antisemitic. !
Mussolini quit the Italian socialist party and founded the Fascist party because he felt the socialists weren’t moving towards communism fast enough.
And the common religion of socialists of every stripe is total control of the ‘means of production’, i.e., property, whether publicly or privately owned.
Ownership equals control and control equals ownership.
Without control, ownership is nothing more than a piece of paper and an obligation to pay taxes.
This ^
I don’t believe anything on Wikipedia that I don’t already know, so using it is pointless. There was a specific article of which I had first-hand, direct knowledge because I was the one who did it. Attempted to correct the entry and was banned from editing it. C’est la vie.
Normal operating procedure for those with an agenda. The first clue is when the manipulators start talking about “community values” and “team players”. The expected response is to suit up, show up and shut up. If you rock the boat, you’re gone.
Are “community values” like “community guidelines? 🙂
good for how many ounces in a quart, not much else
US imperial ounces & quarts or British?
I do not take pleasure in other people’s misfortune, but I rather wickedly appreciate the irony of the situation; I won’t pretend otherwise.
These editor-cops must see themselves as real Judge Dredds. Investigators, judges, and executioners in the service of orthodoxy. “Knowledge is me!”
I am convinced that, behind their screens and in their inquisitorial zeal, they are rather miserable human beings.
(And I’m very glad I never gave a single cent to their foundation.)
Power corrupts…
Just like a number of you, I tried to correct errors of fact about issues of which I was a personal eyewitness to an event of importance (the execution of the Australian journalists by Indonesian troops in Timor)
It is actually comforting to know that I am just one of many who had this experience.
It would be interesting to identify the cabal running Wikipedia and determining who they really are. Given the influence they have, it could be publicly relevant.
This reminds me that YouTube displays “information panels” linking to supposedly authoritative Wikipedia articles beneath videos dealing with topics such as climate change. A way of herding stray sheep back onto the straight and narrow!
Stopped donating some years ago when this was already becoming obvious!
Aunty getting its knickers in a twist over Karl Stefanovic interviewing Tommy Robinson and Nine News not knowing what to do with their loose cannon-
Karl Stefanovic’s interview with Tommy Robinson pulled from social media and podcast platforms
Pauline Hanson’s One Nation is polling higher than Labor and the Coalition uniparties and she wants to close Aunty’s sheltered workshop full of the usual suspects saving over a billion dollars a year. Karl is emulating Joe Rogan in Oz and Nine still owes him a million dollars on his contract til it expires in December so they have to decide whether to cut him loose and pay him out as if he cares.
Trump with his counter-revolution against woke idiocy and suicidal empathy is reverberating right across the West and there’s a lot of headless chooks running about like Henny Penny. The climate is changing but it’s not the dooming the omniscient ones were anticipating.
Way back I tried to correct some glaring bloomers in entries about radiative transfer of heat in the atmosphere. Of which I actually know quite a bit. The entries were, obviously to me, written by some dilettante who had heard the bell chime but didn’t know what the clanger was. Formulae with dimensions on the left different from those at the right of the equals sign, that sort of stuff. I got nowhere, no surprise, and it took years before the nonsense disappeared and was replaced by other nonsense.
Congratulations. You’ve finally discovered why the founding fathers despised Democracy and formed a Republic instead.
The USA was consistently referred to as The Republic until JFK changed it to the Great Democracy.
Kennedy was a democrat. It seems obvious to me his intent was to get the Democrat party emotionally affiliated with the country especially to counter what might have been an emotional connection between Republicans and The Republic.
Other academic papers disagree. My personal history (aka memory) starts with Eisenhower.
What Anthony is advocating, correctly, is the rigorous application of critical thinking.
Unfortunately, in all too many places, our kids are failed, the schools do not teach critical thinking.
I just hope they pick the right AI for home school education before it’s too late.