Climate Change Perceptions

From Pragmatic Environmentalist of New York

Roger Caiazza,

I have been meaning to write this post for a long time because I think there is an important distinction about climate change that could potentially be affected by reducing GHG emissions that is not generally recognized.  I have postponed this article because I did not want to try to explain the driving factor for my concern – ocean and atmospheric oscillations.  Andy May is a petrophysicist who has a climate blog that recently published 14 articles about atmospheric oscillations that I have used in this post.

I am convinced that implementation of the New York Climate Leadership & Community Protection Act (Climate Act) net-zero mandates will do more harm than good if the future electric system relies only on wind, solar, and energy storage because of reliability and affordability risks.  Moreover, I take the heretical position that our understanding of the causes of climate change are not understood well enough to support the idea that reducing GHG emissions represents sound policy.  I have been a practicing meteorologist for nearly 50 years, was a Certified Consulting Meteorologist, and have B.S. and M.S. degrees in meteorology.  The opinions expressed in this post do not reflect the position of any of my previous employers or any other organization I have been associated with, these comments are mine alone.

Background

Weather and climate are often confused.  According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s National Ocean Service “Weather reflects short-term conditions of the atmosphere while climate is the average daily weather for an extended period of time at a certain location.”  They go on to say: “Climate is what you expect, weather is what you get.” 

The standard climatological average is 30 years.  It is important to understand that programs like the Climate Act’s GHG emission reduction targets are intended to reduce global warming over longer time scales than 30 years.  Statements suggesting that even if aggressive mitigation reduces greenhouse gases  that temperature will still increase for 20-30 years due to inertia in the climate system are based on the premise that CO2 is the control knob for the climate.

I often hear and have noticed myself that “winters aren’t what they used to be” and that leaves are turning color later than the past.  The goal of this article is to show that there are climatic oscillations with time periods greater than 30 years that are likely causing these perceived examples of climate change.  However, I will show there is no connection between those observations and the value of the Climate Act as a potential reason to reduce GHG emissions in hopes of changing those observations.

Climate Oscillation Analysis

Earlier this year Andy May published 14 articles about climate oscillations in the oceans and atmosphere. I think his analysis is notable because it is data driven.  The basis of his analysis is articles describing observed oceanic and atmospheric changes, not modeled simulations.  Given the complexity of the interactions between oceans and the atmosphere and the poor understanding of their relationships, assuming that modeled simulations are credible is not reasonable. 

His articles provide compelling evidence that each of the 14 oscillations is natural.  I believe his work provides sufficient evidence proving that “each oscillation is natural and has been around since the pre-industrial period, or even earlier, and thus is natural and not random variability.”  This is important relative to claims that reducing the GHG emissions will affect global temperatures. 

May’s work consists of a statistical regression analysis of observed features in the oceans and atmospheres that have occurred over many years.  He uses the HadCRUT5  global average temperature data set used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to track global warming in his analyses.  May offers the following caveat about his work.

Finally, this is a regression analysis to predict HadCRUT5 with climate oscillations to try and detect the climate oscillations that best correlate to “global warming.” This is not a climate model, it is not an attempt to make a climate model, it is only a statistical exercise. Statistics and statistical analysis are not proof of anything, it isn’t even scientific analysis, they are just useful tools to sort through datasets. Just as AI is not intelligent, statistics is not science, both are useful tools.

Climate Oscillations

May’s work consisted of the following posts:

In Climate Oscillations 1: The Regression May provides the following table that lists the oceanic and atmospheric oscillations considered in his series of articles.  For each of these oscillations he did a statistical regression analysis.  The first seven of the oscillations correlated with the GMST measured using HadCRUT5.  May points out that “HadCRUT5 is not representative of global climate, it is just an average temperature”.  Nonetheless, it is the primary climate change parameter.  The rationale for the Climate Act uses climate change and global warming interchangeably.

May Table 1. A list of the climate oscillations discussed and analyzed in this series. The first eight oscillations are listed in order of importance in modeling HadCRUT5, the remaining six did not add to the model. The links in this table will not work, to see the list in a spreadsheet with working links, download it here.

I am not going to review each post in this article but will describe several of the oscillations. If you want to review the articles and are content with a summary using Perplexity AI I did get a review of his work.    It notes:

The series begins with a foundational regression analysis that ranks fourteen major climate oscillations by their statistical correlation with HadCRUT5 global surface temperature. May’s analysis reveals that the top three oscillations—the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO), Western Hemisphere Warm Pool (WHWP) area, and Southern Annular Mode (SAM)—together explain 77% of HadCRUT5 variability since 1950. This finding directly contradicts the IPCC’s characterization of these oscillations as unpredictable “internal variability” with minimal influence beyond a few years.

The Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO) has the most significant relationship with global mean surface temperature (GMST).  There are several definitions based on different measurements.  For example, Gray, et al. use detrended raw tree-ring measurements to demonstrate “a strong and regular 60-100 year variability in basin-wide (0-70°N) North Atlantic sea surface temperatures (SSTs) that has been persistent for the past five centuries.”

The general approach used by May is simple.  Figure 4 plots GMST using the HadCRUT 5 data and the AMO parameter using the HadSST 4.1 data.  It is obvious that the two parameters track well.  May used regression analysis to show the strength of the relationship. Note the variation in global temperature since 1850 shown in this graph.  The first challenge for proponents of the idea that CO2 is the driver of climate change is that it is acknowledged that it is only since 1950 that CO2 has affected global warming.  So, what happened in the past to cause the observed variations?   I do not think it is reasonable to claim that all the natural drivers that caused variations before 1950 stopped and global warming became entirely dependent upon CO2 since, but that is the argument used by Climate Act proponents.

May Figure 4. HadSST and HadCRUT detrended temperature anomalies plotted together. Both anomalies are from 1961-1990 originally but are from their respective linear least squares trends. This is updated from figure 2 in (May & Crok, 2024).

May points out:

The reason for the AMO SST 60-70-year pattern is unknown, but according to Gray et al. it extends back to 1567AD, so it is a natural oscillation of some kind. Some have speculated that it is a result of the thermohaline circulation in the North Atlantic or a “combination of natural and anthropogenic forcing during the historical era.” (Mann, Steinman, & Miller, 2020). But while interesting these ideas are speculative. Further if the oscillation has existed since 1567, it seems unlikely that it is caused by human CO2 and aerosol emissions.

The AMO has the best correlation with GMST in all the statistical analyses.  Combined with two other oscillations –  Western Hemisphere Warm Pool (WHWP) area, and Southern Annular Mode (SAM) these three  explain 77% of HadCRUT5 variability since 1950.

The Western Hemisphere Warm Pool Area (WHWP) is an area of abnormally warm ocean that extends from the eastern North Pacific (west of Mexico, Central America, and Columbia) to the Gulf of Mexico, the Caribbean, and well into the Atlantic during the WHWP peak in August and September.  Because this area is important to hurricane formation, the strength and extent of the warm pool is important.  May points out that the WHWP  combined with the Antarctic Oscillation or Southern Annular Mode and the AMO predict GMST well.  He concludes that “This suggests that The North Atlantic and the Southern Hemisphere circulation patterns correlate very well with global climate trends, CO2 may fit in there somewhere, but it must share the spotlight with these natural oscillations.”

The Southern Annular Mode/Antarctic Oscillation (AAO) is defined as the difference between the zonal (meaning east-west or circumpolar) sea level air pressure between 40°S and 65°S.  This parameter has a powerful influence on global climate and can affect weather in the Northern Hemisphere (Lin, Yu, & Hall, 2025), in particular the Warm Arctic-Cold Eurasian weather pattern that causes a lot of extreme winter weather. The AAO also affects the Indian summer monsoon and other eastern Asia weather phenomena.

Synthesis

The final article in the series, Climate Oscillations 12: The Causes & Significance, addressed the claim by proponents of the Climate Act that “ocean and atmospheric oscillations are random internal variability, except for volcanic eruptions and human emissions, at climatic time scales.”  May explains:

This is a claim made by the IPCC when they renamed the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO) to the Atlantic Multidecadal Variability (AMV) and the PDO to PDV, and so on. AR6 (IPCC, 2021) explicitly states that the AMO (or AMV) and PDO (or PDV) are “unpredictable on time scales longer than a few years” (IPCC, 2021, p. 197). Their main reason for stating this and concluding that these oscillations are not influenced by external “forcings,” other than a small influence from humans and volcanic eruptions, is that they cannot model these oscillations, with the possible exceptions of the NAM and SAM (IPCC, 2021, pp. 113-115). This is, of course, a circular argument since the IPCC models have never been validated by predicting future climate accurately, and they also make some fundamental assumptions that simply aren’t true.

This is a good point to remind readers that little fluctuations in incoming radiation have big impacts on the climate.  The Milankovitch theory is the most widely accepted cause of glaciation.  It states  that variations in earth’s orbit and tilt cause changes in the amount of sunlight that cause climate fluctuations strong enough to trigger continental glaciers. 

May’s analysis finds relationships between similarly small external variations that correlate with global surface temperatures.  Note however that proponents of CO2 as the control knob disregard all climate drivers but the greenhouse effect.    May explains:

Finally, oscillations are inconsistent with anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions as a dominant forcing of climate change. Greenhouse gas emissions do not oscillate; recently they have only increased with time. So, we will examine the relationship between solar and orbital cycles and the climate oscillations. As Scafetta and Bianchini (2022) have noted, there are some very interesting correlations between solar activity and planetary orbits, and climate changes on Earth.

May’s final article describes multiple observed oscillations including a period of about ~64 years, ±5 years (Wyatt, et al., 2012), Nathan Mantua and colleagues (Mantua, et al., 1997) identified 20th century “climate shifts” which results in a major multidecadal climate oscillation of 22 to 30 years and there are shorter 2-, 5-, 5-, and 9-year observed oscillations.  Note that there also are other cycles that are longer than these.

The ~64 year oscillation is of particular interest.  Marcia Wyatt’s “stadium wave” hypothesis shows that a suite of global and regional climate indicators vary over roughly the same 64-year period.  Wyatt explains:

“Stadium wave” is an allusive term for a hypothesis of multidecadal climate variability. Sequential propagation of an “audience wave” from one section of sports fans to another in a sports arena – i.e. a “stadium wave” – is analogous to the premise of the climate stadium-wave hypothesis. It, too, involves sequential propagation of a signal. In the case of the climate stadium wave, propagation proceeds sequentially through ocean, ice, and atmospheric systems. Key to signal propagation is network, or collective behavior – a feature ubiquitous throughout natural and man-made systems, a product of time and self-organization.

I think of climate as a product primarily of the climate stadium wave cycle plus contributions from other oscillations.  May explains:

If we define “global climate change” as the observed changes in HadCRUT5 or BEST global mean surface temperature (GMST) as the IPCC does, then the oscillations that correlate best are the AMO and the global mean sea surface temperature (SST) as shown in figure 2. None of the other oscillations correlate well with GMST.

In figure 2, the gray curve is a 64-year cosine function. It fits the 20th century data but departs significantly around 2005 and before 1878. The early departure could be due to poor data, the 19th century temperature data is very bad, see figure 11 in (Kennedy, et al., 2011b & 2011). Data quality problems still exist today, but are much less of a factor and the departure after 2005 is likely real and could be caused by any combination of the of the two following factors:

  1. Human-emitted greenhouse gases.
  2. The full AMO/world SST/GMST period is longer and/or more complex than we can see with only 170 years of data.

It is probably a combination of the two. As discussed by Scafetta and Stefani, climate, orbital, and solar cycles are known to exist that are longer than 170 years. The fact that I had to detrend all the records shown in figure 2 testifies to that. It is also noteworthy that the ENSO ONI trend since 2005 is trending down; as shown in the last post. So is the current PDO trend. All the notable oscillations are not synchronized, teleconnections or not, climate change is not simple. The trends in figure 2 result from complex combinations of gravitational forces and teleconnections (Scafetta, 2010), (Ghil, et al., 2002), and (Stefani, et al., 2021).

Discussion

May gives a concise summary of the potential human influence that has never been considered by the State of New York:

Whether global warming is a problem or not is in dispute, but it is a fact that the world is warming, and some are concerned about it. What is the cause of the warming? Is it natural warming after the cold winters of the Little Ice Age? Is it caused by human emissions of CO2? Most of the natural ocean and atmospheric circulation oscillations examined in this post are not modeled properly (some say not modeled at all) in current global climate models (Eade, et al., 2022). The IPCC AR6 report admits that the AMO (they call it the “AMV”) signal in the CMIP6 climate models is very weak, specifically on page 506:

“However, there is low confidence in the estimated magnitude of the human influence. The limited level of confidence is primarily explained by difficulties in accurately evaluating model performance in simulating AMV.” (IPCC, 2021, p. 504)

In other words, the models that predict gloom and doom that are used as the rationale that we must reduce New York GHG emissions don’t accurately predict the oscillation that correlates best with global temperatures.  If you cannot model this relationship, then the likelihood that future temperature projections are accurate is zero.

In addition, NYSERDA presentations at meetings consistently attribute the latest extreme weather events to climate change.  Maybe someday I will explain why I think that is completely divorced from reality and only serves to support the narrative that there is an existential threat.  In the meantime Roger Pielke, Jr. recently eviscerated this line of reasoning and those that continually use it.  He points out that this approach is “counter to the terminology, frameworks, and assessments of the IPCC and the broad base of research on which the work of the IPCC is based upon.”  I strongly recommend his article as definitive proof that the Hochul Administration picks and chooses the “science” to fit their narrative.

Conclusion

The intent of this article was to explain why anecdotal “evidence” of climate change is no more than recognition that there are weather pattern cycles that currently show warming.  It does not mean that there is conclusive evidence that continued GHG emissions will inevitably increase global temperatures.  There is overwhelming evidence that the current warming cycle will eventually reverse.  This does not mean that GHG emissions are not a factor but does mean they are a tweak not the primary driver.  This combined with the fact that New York GHG emissions are so small relative to global emissions that we cannot meaningfully affect global emissions means that GHG emission reductions for the sake of the climate is a useless endeavor.

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December 28, 2025 11:59 pm

All the temperature trends can be sheeted back to the Sun and seasonal changes in solar intensity.
1880 to 1915 NH Heating down 3.5W/m^2. SH Heating down 0.73W/m^
1915 to 1942 NH Heating up by 0.59W/m^2, SH heating up by 0.45W/m^2
1942 to 1976 NH Heating down by 0.21W/m^2. SH Heating down by 0.47W/m^2
1976 to 2024 NH Heating up by 1.04W/m^2 and SH Heating up by 0.83W/m^2

The North South movement of the Sun has a large influence on the seasonal distribution of sunlight across the globe.

The general trend in solar seasonal forcing from 1980 to 2026 has been and increase in the Heating solar intensity and a reduction in Cooling season solar intensity. Both increases advection in both hemispheres and are responsible for the bulk of the ocean heat uptake being observed as the Ferrel Cells work harder to shift energy poleward.
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Get to know the Sun and ice forming processes and you have a good handle on how climate has and will change. It has nothing to do with trace amounts off cO2 in the atmosphere.

Robertvd
Reply to  RickWill
December 29, 2025 1:29 am

The IPCC knows it has nothing to do with CO2. That’s why they had to change from Global Warming to Climate Change (what can be anything) and had to trow in the Ocean Acidification card.

Reply to  RickWill
December 29, 2025 3:57 am

It looks like you found short-term cycles driven by the sun, Rick.

That’s what I was wanting to see from your theory (or anybody’s theory) and there it is! 🙂

December 29, 2025 12:40 am

This combined with the fact that New York GHG emissions are so small relative to global emissions that we cannot meaningfully affect global emissions means that GHG emission reductions for the sake of the climate is a useless endeavor.

Yes, the entire point. This is one of the most extraordinary features of the wave of climate hysteria that we are living through. The activists keep on wanting to implement hugely expensive and risky (to put it mildly, mostly they are downright impossible) energy policies which, on their own theories, will have zero effect on the climate.

And yet they keep on claiming that these things have to be done ‘because climate’. Mad!

strativarius
December 29, 2025 1:30 am

Stadium wave

I first saw that in 1970 – at the Mexican World Cup tournament. The so-called Mexican wave.

Climate people spend a great deal of their time on word play and rebranding.

strativarius
December 29, 2025 1:38 am

Story tip

In a further sign of declining interest in the Net Zero fantasy, a major climate grooming course has shut up shop. The terminated six-month indoctrination was run by the Oxford Climate Journalism Network (OCJN) and was funded by a number of tax-efficient billionaire foundations. Over the last four years it has hosted around 800 journalists from over 100 countries. Described as a “flagship online course”, it will be “halted” from January 2026.https://dailysceptic.org/2025/12/29/major-climate-grooming-course-shuts-down-as-world-turns-away-from-constant-media-gaslighting/

Reply to  strativarius
December 29, 2025 4:04 am

Winning!

1saveenergy
December 29, 2025 1:49 am

“the IPCC models have never been validated by predicting future climate accurately,”

As far as I recall, they don’t hindcast very well either; they only seem accurate for the week they were written. GIGO.

“and they also make some fundamental assumptions that simply aren’t true.”

But that’s the basis of scientific endeavour; You have a theory, so you make some fundamental assumptions (some will be good, some will be crap), you test by experiment, and the results will show which assumptions are wrong, you gradually change the assumptions until the theory is proved or disproved.

The IPCC started with the answer they wanted ( CO2 ), & then tried to make the data fit, ignoring any data that showed differently.
They have brought science down to the level of used car salesmen & estate agents.

Reply to  1saveenergy
December 29, 2025 3:03 am

I think you are doing a dis-service to used car salesmen and estate agents. At least they do not rely on the taxpayer for their income….

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  1saveenergy
December 29, 2025 5:51 am

Hindcasting is curve fitting. Of course they will reflect the past. They were tuned to reflect the past.
What tuning cannot do is address the natural oscillations. Hence they cannot achieve significantly accurate reconstructions.

What you said about assumptions is critical in models and simulations. You rarely need to check the math. It is essential that all assumptions are identified and challenged.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
December 29, 2025 4:55 pm

Hindcasting is curve fitting. Of course they will reflect the past. They were tuned to reflect the past.

How would you go about it differently?

December 29, 2025 2:00 am

Harold The Organic Chemist Says:
ATTN: Roger and Everyone
RE: CO2 Does Not Cause Warming of Air and Climate Change

Shown in the chart (See below) is a plot of the average annual temperature in Adelaide from 1857 to 1999. In 1857, the concentration of CO2 in air was ca.
280 ppmv (0.55 g CO2/cu. m. of air), and by 1999, it had increased to ca. 368 ppmv
(0.72 g CO2/cu. m. of air), but there was no corresponding increase in air temperature in this port city. Instead there was a cooling that began in ca. 1940. The average annual temperature in 1999 was 16.7° C. Note how very little CO2 there is in the air.

To obtain recent temperature data for Adelaide, I went to:
https://www.extremeweatherwatch.com/cities/adelaide/average-temperature-by-year
The Tmax and Tmin data from 1887 to 2025 are presented in a table. The computed
Tavg for 2025 is 15.9° C which is a 0.8° C decrease from 1999. Adelaide is staying cool. This empirical data and calculations is sufficient to falsifies the claims by the IPCC and the unscrupulous collaborating scientists that CO2 causes warning of air and hence global warming, and is the control knob of climate change.

The purpose of these claims by the IPCC is to provide the UN the justification for the distribution of donor funds from the rich countries to the poor countries to help them cope with the alleged harmful effects of global warming and climate change. After Administrator Lee Zeldin rescinds the Endangerment Finding of 2009 for CO2, he will put an end to the greatest scientific fraud since the Piltdown Man.

PS: The chart was obtained from the late John L. Daly’s website: “Still Waiting For Greenhouse” available at: http://www.john-daly.com. From the home page, go to end and click on “Station Temperature Data”. On the “World Map”, click on “Australia”. There is displayed a list of stations. Click on Adelaide. This displays the temperature chart for the city. Click on the back arrow to return the list of stations. Clicking on the back again displays the “World Map”. John Daly found over 200 weather that showed no warming up to 2002.

NB: If you click on the chart, it will expand and become clear. Click on the “X” in the circle to contract the chart and return Comments.

adelaide
December 29, 2025 2:32 am

Everybody accepts that there are long term natural influences on global climate.

If you detrend global temperature data sets you can identify some of them. Everybody knows that too.

However, none of the natural influences identified, either individually or collectively, explains the long term warming trend in all global temperature data sets. Increased greenhouse gas concentrations does.

Detrending global temperature data only removes the warming trend on paper, not in reality.

strativarius
Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 29, 2025 3:13 am

Try detrending the alarmism, you know it makes sense.

Reply to  strativarius
December 29, 2025 4:09 am

There’s an idea! 🙂

Reply to  strativarius
December 29, 2025 2:41 pm

You sound more alarmed than I am, Strat. Just say’n

Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 29, 2025 4:08 am

Define “long-term warming trend” in this context.

From when to when?

Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 29, 2025 2:43 pm

Let’s just go with the universally accepted 30-years based on monthly anomalies. Right up to the most recent month.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 29, 2025 4:12 am

However, none of the natural influences identified, either individually or collectively, 

Utter tripe. Earth’s relationship with the Sun and the changes in seasonal solar intensity explain both short term swings and long term trends.

The attached shows how seasonal solar intensity has shifted from 1980 to 2026. The Heating and Cooling seasons are taken from equinox to solstice.

Both hemispheres have experienced increase in heating season solar intensity and reduction in cooling season solar intensity that has increased advection in both hemispheres. The bulk of the increase in ocean heat content has occurred in the region of the down leg of the Ferrel Cells as a result of the increased advection.
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This shift in seasonal solar intensity began around 1700 ad will continue for another 9,000 years; ultimately ending the current interglacial as the NH oceans warm and accelerate snowfall.

Good luck with New York getting power out of solar panels and wind turbines in the current weather conditions:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/nearly-1500-flights-canceled-ahead-of-new-york-snow-warnings/ar-AA1T55E5

Forecast_2026_A
Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  RickWill
December 29, 2025 5:55 am

You are correct.
Adding to it:

The Barycenter changes with all of the matter (planets, asteroids, dust, etc.) in the solar system. Earth’s orbit does not repeat on an annual basis.

The sun is not constant, nor it you lightbulb, nor is the temperature in your living room.
Someone claiming they can control the planet to 0.01 C needs to be locked up.

1saveenergy
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
December 29, 2025 7:19 am

“Someone claiming they can control the planet to 0.01 C needs to be locked up.”

Instead, we vote them into government on high salaries, how mad is that ??

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  1saveenergy
December 29, 2025 12:28 pm

UK is mad, so are so many other Nut Zero countries.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
December 29, 2025 3:15 pm

You honestly think scientist don’t know this stuff?

MarkW
Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 29, 2025 5:24 pm

There’s a difference between knowing and doing.

Reply to  MarkW
December 29, 2025 6:23 pm

Most self-styled “climate scientists” either don’t know it…

… or totally ignore it because it is inconvenient or because it is actually beyond their limited understanding.

Reply to  RickWill
December 29, 2025 3:14 pm

I’m not sure what your response is supposed to be refuting?

You can easily compare solar input, measured as TSI, against temperatures and you will see that there is a warming trend in temperatures but not in solar input over the long term.

Do you honestly think that, if this wasn’t the case, no one would have noticed it by now?

If I were the boss of BP, or EXXON, etc, do you not think that I wouldn’t have already got my best scientists to look closely at a blindingly obvious thing like a long-term correlation between solar and global temperature rise?

Guess what, those guys aren’t dumb, and they did precisely that.

Outcome: obfuscate; distract; deny.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 29, 2025 5:26 pm

30 year trailing average solar TSI.

You were saying ???

30-year-average-TSI
Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 29, 2025 5:26 pm

Absorbed solar radiation.. the REAL cause of warming.

Absorbed-solar-radiation
Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 29, 2025 6:03 pm

You can easily compare solar input, measured as TSI, 

TSI is only a fraction of the story.

I have never seen any scientific paper correlate the North – South movement of the Sun in and out of Earth’s elliptic and correlate it with observed short term swings in measured temperature.

Find one reference other than my own that discusses the North South excursions of the Sun and how it alters solar zenith declination on Earth.

The whole Climate Change™ religion would die if any scientist made observations on how the Sun changes seasonal radiation on Earth. Up till Trump, that was forbidden scientific activity.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 29, 2025 6:29 pm

You can easily compare solar input, measured as TSI, against temperatures and you will see that there is a warming trend in temperatures but not in solar input over the long term.

It’s the sun, stupid.

TSI1
Bruce Cobb
Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 29, 2025 4:32 am

TheFoolishNincompoop, lying again.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
December 29, 2025 3:16 pm

Point out the ‘lie’, please.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 29, 2025 6:33 pm

 there is a warming trend in temperatures but not in solar input over the long term.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 29, 2025 5:53 am

Your first unidentified assumption is that there is a physical global climate.
There is not.

Your second unidentified assumption is that there is the temperature data sets are actually global.
They are not.

Mr.
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
December 29, 2025 6:48 am

^ this.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Mr.
December 29, 2025 12:30 pm

I have fat fingers.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
December 29, 2025 2:46 pm

Your first unidentified assumption is that there is a physical global climate.

There is not.

Better tell WUWT and Roy Spencer at UH, since they feature/produce monthly global temperature average updates, prominently features on this very site.

JTraynor
Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 29, 2025 5:55 am

“I do not think it is reasonable to claim that all the natural drivers that caused variations before 1950 stopped and global warming became entirely dependent upon CO2 since, but that is the argument used by Climate Act proponents.”

The key premise is that CO2 concentrations do not drive climate (or long term statistical changes in weather events). It plays a role but not to a point that it overrides other factors to become the sole factor. Which gets to the point that trying to remove CO2, or greatly reduce emissions of it, will not have the effect hoped for.

Better to direct your resources protecting yourself from Mother Nature instead of trying to influence what she has in store for us.

Reply to  JTraynor
December 29, 2025 2:47 pm

I don’t think anyone is saying that CO2 is the “sole factor” in global temperature change. But it certainly influences the trend.

JTraynor
Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 29, 2025 3:45 pm

I think many important people are saying this, actually. What I find is if you do not jump to the “humans are endangering themselves as a species” narrative from CO2 provides some warming then you are ostracized from society. You have to buy into the alarmist viewpoint or Net Zero is the only path forward, or get cancelled. Smeared. Shunned. Destroyed. It’s stunning how low we have sunk with this issue

Reply to  JTraynor
December 29, 2025 3:56 pm

Perhaps on the political level you are right. I was thinking of the scientific level, where there is a strong consensus, so far as I can see anyway, that whilst enhanced greenhouse warming is the driving factor behind the long-term trend, there are also powerful natural influences on climate that cause short-term variability.

JTraynor
Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 29, 2025 4:17 pm

Include bureaucrats with politicians. And the IPCC is quickly becoming part of the political class.

Yet, some believe it’s not the driving factor. And they have considerable data to draw those conclusions. They just don’t limit it to 30 year segments.

The question posed was “natural variability drives climate until it doesn’t.” CO2 might amplify the variability but it doesn’t drive it, necessarily. And there really isn’t a consensus once you get past “some amount of warming”.

Reply to  JTraynor
December 29, 2025 4:34 pm

I must agree that the IPCC, increasingly, has been influenced by parties interested in shifting the blame for the observed warming away from fossil fuels. The latest COP was a bad joke, in that respect.

But what are these “considerable data” that you speak of?

Surely, if there were such data, the case against CO2 as the primary driver of modern global warming would long since have been closed.

Where might this “considerable data” be obtained?

Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 30, 2025 2:45 am

Where is the data showing CO2 is the primary driver of modern global warming?

The truth is there is no such data. If there was, we would not be having this discussion.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 29, 2025 5:18 pm

 I was thinking of the scientific level, where there is a strong consensus”

ROFLMAO..

Science and consensus …

… you apparently know nothing about science!

Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 30, 2025 2:41 am

Pure speculation.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 31, 2025 1:06 am

Consensus IS POLITICS, it has nothing to do with science.

“the scientific level, where there is a strong consensus,”

Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 29, 2025 6:36 pm

I don’t think anyone is saying that CO2 is the “sole factor” in global temperature change.

The IPCC

Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 29, 2025 6:39 pm

I don’t think anyone is saying that CO2 is the “sole factor” in global temperature change.

IPCC
Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 30, 2025 2:39 am

There is no evidence that CO2 has influenced any temperature trend. That is pure speculation.

John Hultquist
Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 29, 2025 9:17 am

The long term (1850 until now) warming trend explains the small increase in Carbon Dioxide concentration in the atmosphere.
There. Fixed it for you. 
Corollary: Sparkling wine is best served chilled.

Reply to  John Hultquist
December 29, 2025 2:51 pm

Warming increases the release of CO2 from the oceans. That’s not a cause; it’s a positive feedback caused by CO2 warming the atmosphere and, indirectly, the oceans..

JTraynor
Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 29, 2025 7:56 pm

That’s a “which came first, the chicken or the egg” argument. Impossible to draw a conclusion one way or the other.

Beta Blocker
Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 29, 2025 10:12 am

TheFinalNail: “Everybody accepts that there are long term natural influences on global climate.”

Not my relatives in New York state and in the Bay Area of California. They are true believers in anthropogenic climate change and deny that natural variation of any kind which is not directly related to changes in the concentration of CO2 in the earth’s atmosphere has any influence on the earth’s climate whatsoever.

The older ones have been convinced by the academics, by the green politicians they support, and by the climerati in the news media that all warming from the beginning of the Industrial Revolution in about 1850 on forward to the 21st Century has been the direct consequence of ever-growing human carbon emissions. Their children have been taught the same thing in school.

The opinion that CO2 is the control knob of climate is still the consensus public opinion in places like New York state, California, and the populated coastal areas of Oregon and Washington. For all these millions of people, it’s CO2 and nothing but CO2 — to the extent that it has become a religion, with the larger houses of AGW worship being located in the governor’s mansions, in the state capitol buildings, and in the city halls of the large progressive-controlled urban areas.

Reply to  Beta Blocker
December 29, 2025 2:52 pm

Not my relatives in New York state and in the Bay Area of California. 

Well, they are mistaken. Tell them from me!

There’s not a single IPCC paper that doesn’t recognise the role of natural variability.

The present climatic situation can’t be explained without them.

JTraynor
Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 29, 2025 8:03 pm

Understood, but we’re back to square one. It’s unreasonable to think that natural variability just stopped and CO2 took over. And the IPCC has a stake in the ground that all warming is the result of anthropogenic sources of CO2.

And, your comment about the IPCC being influenced (politically) to shift blame away from fossil fuels is the first I’ve ever heard that perspective. You’ll need sources to support that. Reliable sources. Not others opinions. It’s sounds like a CYA to justify poor COP30 results.

Reply to  JTraynor
December 30, 2025 2:04 am

It’s unreasonable to think that natural variability just stopped and CO2 took over. 

Literally no one is saying that.

JTraynor
Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 30, 2025 4:35 am

If the IPCC determines and notes that anthropogenic sources of CO2 are the sole cause of recent warming (100% and at least since 1980)(and that is the position they have taken) then they are very strongly suggesting that natural variability has stopped. 100% leaves no room for natural variability.

Yet, even if the intent is not to ignore natural variability, by saying “100% anthropogenic sources” sends a clear message to the less astute, and opportunistic, politicians, bureaucrats and activists, then sensationalized in media.

It may not be “literal” but to draw the conclusion that they do requires them to dismiss all other factors.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 29, 2025 10:43 am

long term warming trend

Just curious – do you think that glaciation is going to return (i.e. another “ice age” as it’s often called)?

Reply to  Tony_G
December 29, 2025 2:53 pm

Probably; but not on any timescale that will inconvenience you or I.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 29, 2025 10:55 pm

LOL what a vague answer…..

Reply to  Sunsettommy
December 30, 2025 2:05 am

Well, we’re talking about thousands to tens of thousands of years.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 29, 2025 11:15 am

“…However, none of the natural influences identified, either individually or collectively, explains the long term warming trend in all global temperature data sets…”

What long term warming? The long term trend is down with a medium term slightly up and the short term both up and down.


Reply to  Fraizer
December 29, 2025 2:56 pm

What long term warming? 

WMO, etc, define a ‘climatology’ as a continuous 30-year period.

If there is a statistically significant warming (or cooling) trend over a continuous 30-year period then there is ‘global warming’ (or cooling).

Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 29, 2025 5:07 pm

1979 was the coldest period since 1900 (as shown by Briffa’s tree ring data, below)

It is utter stupidity to call 30 years, “long term”…

30 years is also basically a meaningless cherry-picked length, but was chosen because they knew it was approximately half the AMO cycle…

… 1979 was the low point in that cycle.. so a great place to start the climate scam.

Briffa-Tree-data-1900
Reply to  bnice2000
December 30, 2025 3:14 am

‘’so a great place to start the climate scam”

Exactly.

The truth is we haven’t had a long-term warming trend since the 1880’s.

From the end of the Little Ice Age in the early 1800’s, the temperature warmed up through the 1880’s to a temperature high point.

Then the temperatures cooled down through the 1910’s, and then started warming up to the 1930’s where the high point was equivalent to the temperatures during the 1880’s high point.

Then the temperatures cooled again down through the 1970’s, and warmed again up through the 1998 high point, which was equivalent to the 1880’s and 1930’s high points.

Then the temperatures cooled after 1998 (except on NASA and NOAA bogus/bastardized charts of the time period. They LIE about the temperature profile after 1998, claiming continuing warming when UAH show years of cooling temperatures after 1998)

So, reality shows that after the cooling after 1998, the temperatures started warming again up through 2016 and 2024, with the high points of their temperatures again equivalent to the high points of the 1880’s, 1930’s, and 1998.

The truth is it is no warmer today than it was in the 1880’s. The temperature warmed initially from the end of the Little Ice Age to the 1880’s, and essentially haven’t gotten any warmer in all these years since.

That is the truth of the matter.

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 30, 2025 9:50 am

“The truth is it is no warmer today than it was in the 1880’s”

It really takes an Olympic level of denial to say that with a straight face.
(you do have “straight face”)?
Of course you do ….. lets not let those wicked leftie scientists get away with the scam eh?
Or maybe you think the thousands of them are all incompetent.
Coz, well, you know better ….

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It is actually globally ~ 1.5C warmer now than in the 1880’s.

Reply to  Anthony Banton
December 30, 2025 12:06 pm

More FAKE data from climate scammers.

Show us where temperatures were measured “globally” in say 1920.

Show us where the ocean were measured.

These FAKE temperature series do no remotely coincide with ANY raw data from anywhere.

They are also fabricated mainly from surface data stations that are totally unfit for any purpose, and certainly NOT for measuring temperature changes over time.

They are just part of the ONE BIG SCAM. !!

And absolute evidence of CLIMATE COLLUSION.

Reply to  Anthony Banton
December 31, 2025 1:12 am

and about 2C cooler than in the 1st century AD when the Romans grew wine grapes close to Scotland and made all those Roman roads you still drive along…. and put their villas in the middle of the cotswolds and extended their vast empire all over Europe and the middle east…

Banton you are just another mind blowing fraud, and you refuse to admit it.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 29, 2025 11:35 am

Long term warming effect..

That is a NONSENSE statement.

The long term temperature trend is DOWNWARDS since the Holocene optimum.

There has been a short term, slight, but highly beneficial warming since the LIA, which was the COLDEST period in some 10,000 years.

You would not have liked the LIA.. especially without fossil fuels…

The advent of fossil fuels has been a massive benefit to all mankind !

Reply to  bnice2000
December 29, 2025 3:00 pm

The long term temperature trend is DOWNWARDS since the Holocene optimum.

No one is saying that temperatures weren’t warmer in the past than what they are now. That’s a red herring. A distraction. Focus on temperatures during which human civilisation has thrived.

The advent of fossil fuels has been a massive benefit to all mankind !

Agreed. It has increased life expectancy, wealth, health, etc. I grew up with coal fires and I still use oil to heat my house.

That doesn’t mean it isn’t also causing global warming,

Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 30, 2025 3:23 am

That doesn’t mean CO2 is causing global warming. You are assuming too much.

Bruce Cobb
December 29, 2025 4:15 am

Of all the lies the Climate Liars like to tell, the one about how our CO2 somehow, presumably by magic, “energizes” the climate system is the most insidious, in addition to being stupendously idiotic. It is a convenient way of sidestepping the issues of whether or not warming is a) occurring and b) dangerous. A previous version of this lie was that “the warming” was disappearing into the oceans, described as an ungodly number of “Hiroshimas” going into the oceans. It is also where they come up with the notion that a) the weather is “getting worse” and b) our CO2 is what is causing it.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
December 29, 2025 4:16 pm

Of all the lies the Climate Liars like to tell, the one about how our CO2 somehow, presumably by magic, “energizes” the climate system is the most insidious…

CO2 intercepts outgoing long-wave radiation at certain wavelengths and, in so doing, causes the lower atmosphere to warm. I don’t know of any serious scientist who disputes this.

How can that do anything other than increase the amount of heat energy in the lower atmosphere?

It’s like switching a light on in your house and wondering how come it became less dark.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 29, 2025 6:09 pm

 I don’t know of any serious scientist who disputes this.

You need to widen your circle if you only know climate clowns. Find a scientist who has actually created something of commercial value and ask them to explain why CO2 has negligible direct influence on the energy balance.

December 29, 2025 5:06 am

Excellent review and points.

I refer to Keeling and Whorf 2000, in which cycles of tidal action are analyzed for their influence on climate trends.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/epdf/10.1073/pnas.070047197

“Should the tidal hypothesis of quasi-periodic cooling of the oceans turn out to be correct, a prevailing view that the earth’s postglacial climate responds mainly to random and unpredictable processes would be modified or abandoned. The 1,800-year tidal cycle would be recognized as a principal driver of climate change in the Holocene, causing shifts in climate more prominent and extensive than hitherto realized.” (From the “Ramifications of the Tidal Hypothesis” conclusion section.)

The reason I mention this work is that even Charles David Keeling – whose name is given to trends of atmospheric CO2 concentration – was certainly not of the “CO2 is the control knob” persuasion.

Thank you for listening.
 

Robert Cutler
Reply to  David Dibbell
December 29, 2025 1:17 pm

As near as I can tell, Keeling and Whorf are the only ones to follow up on the 4670- and 1800-year spectral energy in Bond et al.’s paper. Even Bond doesn’t appear to have followed up on those cycles. It’s a shame, they’re much more important than the 1476±585-year cycle.

Richard M
December 29, 2025 8:30 am

1) The AMO appears to be quasi-cyclic which means throwing in a fixed 64 year cycle in any chart is unlikely to work for any long period. This gives detractors a basis for denying its relevance.

2) The main cycle missing in this analysis is what I call the millennial cycle. Since it acts over many centuries it is easy to ignore and that is what climate science has done. The millennial cycle is highlighted by historic warm and cool periods such as the Minoan, Roman, Medieval and modern warm periods plus the intervening cool periods. The Little Ice Age represents the last cool period. I also believe the millennial cycle is ocean related.

Once you factor in the millennial cycle with the other cycles mentioned, the recent warming is easily explained. Right now we are likely close to the millennial cycle peak while also in the warm phase of the AMO.

I believe the millennial cycle is driven by the MOC (global ocean currents) and the AMO by Arctic sea ice variations. With the AMO due to change in the next few years it will be interesting to see if the cause can be demonstrated.

Reply to  Richard M
December 29, 2025 4:22 pm

1) The AMO appears to be quasi-cyclic which means throwing in a fixed 64 year cycle in any chart is unlikely to work for any long period. This gives detractors a basis for denying its relevance.

What does this mean, exactly?

Are you saying that if the “64 year cycle” doesn’t fit the data then… just wait longer?

Let’s all sit back and wait for Richard’s mythical “millennial cycle” to kick in!

Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 29, 2025 6:57 pm

The climate system is chaotic and beyond understanding. Just one long cycle over another shorter cycle and measurement/prediction becomes almost impossible. Blindly blaming warming in an ill-understood system on trace amounts CO2 is just plain stupid.

climate-cycles
December 29, 2025 12:00 pm

The RGHE theory founders on two erroneous assumptions.

First, that near Earth space is cold and the atmosphere/RGHE act as a warming blanket.
That is incorrect.
Near Earth space is hot (400 K, 127 C 260 F) and the atmosphere/water vapor/albedo act as that reflective panel propped up on the car’s dash.

Second, the surface radiates as a near Black Body. USCRN & SURFRAD data are calibrated, i.e. “tweaked “to conform to that assumption thereby creating “back” radiation.
That is incorrect.
IR instruments are calibrated to deliver a referenced & relative temperature while power flux is inferred by assuming an emissivity. Assuming 1.0 assumes wrong. TFK_bams09 shows surface emissivity as 0.16 = 63/396 with zero “back” radiation.

RGHE theory will join caloric, phlogiston, spontaneous generation and luminiferous ether in the dust bin of failed theories.

K-T-Handout
Editor
December 29, 2025 12:57 pm

Climate cycles are tricky things. For instance, two or more long cycles can give the impression of a short cycle, probably with varying amplitude, for a while. Also, cycles can come and go, as other conditions change – this could also look like a varying amplitude or even “missed beats” as in Ellis and Palmer, or it could look like a cycle that goes for a while and then stops. It isn’t surprising that nailing them is difficult, but it is useful for the IPCC and other political organisations.

Bob
December 29, 2025 1:58 pm

Very nice.

December 30, 2025 11:33 am

Every other warm AMO phase is during each centennial solar minimum, so the length of AMO envelopes are constrained by the intervals between the centennial solar minima. That also predicts a long term average AMO frequency of 55 years, which is exactly what millennial scale AMO proxies find.

The late 1800’s Gleissberg solar minimum began 130 years before the start of the current centennial minimum, with a 60 year AMO cycle and then a 70 year AMO cycle, making 130 years in total. The Dalton minimum began only 80 years before the start of the Gleissberg minimum, so the AMO cycles in the 1800’s averaged at only 40 years long.