From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT
By Paul Homewood
h/t Ian Magness
This has been on the cards for a while:
BP is preparing to shelve plans to build a major hydrogen project in Teesside in a fresh blow to Ed Miliband’s net zero plans.
The Telegraph understands that BP will withdraw its request to the Government to build the nationally significant project, which clashed with separate plans backed by Sir Keir Starmer to construct the largest data centre in Europe.
The Energy Secretary has already twice delayed a decision on whether to grant the so-called development consent order (DCO) to start producing “blue” hydrogen from natural gas, and then capture and store the carbon emissions.
A decision was due on Thursday Dec 4, but it is understood that BP has withdrawn its application for the DCO ahead of an announcement.
The H2Teesside scheme was announced by BP in 2021 and had been slated to deliver more than 10pc of a plan for a clean power system by 2030.
Full story here.
Producing hydrogen from gas and then burning it to generate electricity, instead of using that same gas, is insane in itself.
To spend more money and waste yet more of that gas to capture carbon is even more so.
It cannot work without massive subsidies and I suspect BP have seen the writing on the wall. With interest in Net Zero dwindling and the public beginning to wake up the realities, BP are worried they will be left with a white elephant.
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The most amusing part of this latest net zero by 2030 setback is the fact that instead of, er, creating [rather expensive] energy, the site will now be developed as an AI data centre – and will instead consume an awful lot of energy…
A major shift in plans at Teesworks could pave the way for the “biggest ever” private investment in Teesside, following bp’s decision to withdraw its proposal for a large hydrogen plant on the site.
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Mayor Houchen said bp’s withdrawal now “clears the way for a cutting-edge data centre” at Teesworks – a project widely reported to be in line for designation as one of the Government’s new AI Growth Zones.
bp cited the decision by Redcar and Cleveland Council to support the data centre proposal as a key factor in making its hydrogen plans unviable. Tees Business
It’s a double whammy for mad Ed. But there is yet more bad news heaving into view for the Archbish of Nutty Zero.
“Offshore wind farms cause ocean heating, with localised surface sea temperatures rising by a persistent 0.3°C-0.4°C and interannual variability up to 1°C. This is according to ground-breaking calculations made by a group of American scientists and recently published by Science. – Daily Sceptic
This truly is thee anti-Midas government. Everything they touch turns to…
The production of blue hydrogen from methane costs copious amounts of energy. You have to break the bond between the carbon and hydrogen atoms, a seriously endothermic process. The resulting hydrogen is inferior to methane as fuel because in air methane burns hotter than hydrogen. A lose-lose climate idiocy.
So true. Plus they get H2O out as a by product and that is a bigger (they believe) GHG.
Well the UK used to distribute town gas (mainly hydrogen) made from coal to houses throughout the country for about 150 years until North Sea natural gas replaced it. The adiabatic flame temperature of hydrogen is higher than that of methane.
Town gas was a mix of hydrogen and carbon monoxide. It burns a bit hotter than pure hydrogen. Methane burns 150C hotter in oxygen.
Yes a mix containing 46-51% H2.
Adiabatic flame temperature in air (stoichiometric)
Methane 1960ºC
Hydrogen 2254ºC
In air
Methane 2810ºC
Hydrogen 3000ºC+
The higher temperatures should be labeled ‘in O2’, sorry.
The town gas was a mixture of H2 and CO which is made by the water gas reaction. High temperature steam was blown through incandescent coke at the gas works.
And then the Water gas shift reaction to convert CO and water to CO2 and H2 to reduce the fraction of the poisonous CO.
Toasty ride on a hydrogen bus anyone?
https://sussex.news/west-sussex/fire-crews-battle-blaze-on-hydrogen-bus-in-crawley-town-centre/36770/
BBC fails to mention the gutted hulk is a ‘zero emissions’ vehicle.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c36z7rdd4d4o.amp
News would be that the BBC failed to omit details it does not like for a change.
They only omitted not fabricated so that is a step up for the BBC.
Has anyone ever acknowledged that the vehicle that caused an entire airport car park to burn was more than just a ‘diesel vehicle’ as reported? I mean, diesel just doesn’t shoot out long sheets of flames at a serious rate as was actually showing in the CCTV camera footage hastily suppressed from reports.
Well the fire started in a diesel vehicle the subsequent flames were the result of the other 1400 vehicles that caught fire.
“West Sussex Fire and Rescue Service confirmed they were called at 12.36pm”
What is “12.36pm”??
What is “12.36pm” is a typo and should be “12:36 PM”.
Is it a typo? It’s on a news site, you’d think they’d at least run it through AI before publishing.
Not a typo, pm, p.m., and PM are all used
I was referring to the 12.36.
OK. It’s 36minutes past 12noon.
Apparently the bloom is off the “saving the planet” rose. What a shame. Oh well. All good scams must come to an end some time.
It looks like BP have finally consigned the Loony tunes policies of beyond petrol to the pile of Looney policies introduced by Berny. He may have driven the fastest milk cart in the west… but it was not going to be powered by hydrogen even if his name was, a trigger…..
Some might argue that a Tesla Roadster etc is the fastest milk float in the west. That’s what EVs are, souped up milk floats. With a hint of fiery danger added.
The Jaguar Type 00 takes EVs to a new level of absurdity. Type 00 is an odd name, Throbknobster sounds much better.
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-15344873/Jaguar-reveals-London-Red-Type-00-EV-available-buy-summer-just-day-design-chief-exits.html
Not a million miles away from the Batmobile, but without the gas turbine, of course.
The man behind Jaguar’s controversial new EV design has been fired
https://electrek.co/2025/12/03/man-behind-jaguars-controversial-new-ev-fired/
Yep he lost his protector and was walked out of the building 🙂
Rumor is Mardell was facing the same but jumped first.
No time was wasted getting rid of the dead wood.
Doesn’t double “0” mean licensed to … you know.
Wow, zero visibility from inside.
From the article: “The Energy Secretary has already twice delayed a decision on whether to grant the so-called development consent order (DCO) to start producing “blue” hydrogen from natural gas, and then capture and store the carbon emissions.”
Can this energy policy get any more bizarre?
They try to jump through these hoops to reduce CO2, when there is no evidence that CO2 needs to be reduced. This is just an unsubstantiated assumption.
Ruin your whole economy and the lives of the citizens based on an unsubstantiated assumption about CO2. That is what we are witnessing.
The Temperature Data Mannipulators have sent the less intelligent among us into a frenzy, obsessed with eliminating CO2, even though there is not one shred of evidence that CO2 is anything other than a benign gas, essential for life on Earth. Not one shred.
The CO2 craziness continues, but it does seem to be on the downturn. Reality is starting to sink in. Not fast enough, but reality is forcing itself on those CO2 True Believers and eventually they have to relent. Even ole Ed Miliband, although I envision his relenting will take place while he is sitting in the ruins of the UK economy.
Ed Miliband is watching his erstwhile colleagues around the world succumbing to the new pandemic. A nasty, vicious outbreak of common sense. Some remain immune but they are declining in number.
Good way to put it! 🙂
A little common sense goes a long way.
STORY TIP
New England warming faster than most places on Earth, study finds
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/dec/03/new-england-warming
It must be true, since it’s the Guardian saying so. 🙂 /s
Places warming faster than anywhere else on Earth 2025
New England
Europe is the fastest-warming continent
https://climate.copernicus.eu/why-are-europe-and-arctic-heating-faster-rest-world
the Arctic Is Warming Faster Than the Rest of the Planet
https://climatecosmos.com/world-weather/why-the-arctic-is-warming-faster-than-the-rest-of-the-planet-2/
Ocean near New Zealand warming faster than anywhere else, study finds
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/560159/ocean-near-new-zealand-warming-faster-than-anywhere-else-study-finds
I could go on, but you get the idea…
Funny that the “control knob” that CO2 is claimed to be and that CO2 is a “well mixed” gas in the atmosphere does not warm the surface uniformly.
Maybe something else is going on.
(We know the answer)
They always fail to get their ducks in a row. Could it be uninvited alarmist competition at play? To sum their argument up I’m reminded of what Ian Gillan once said in Japan on stage in 1972
Can we have everything louder than everything else?
“But it’s worse than we thought!”
So much for settled science, eh?
Meanwhile, the temperatures have cooled by about 0.5C since the temperature high point in early 2024.
Since 70% of the planet is water which warms very slowly compared to land but dominates the average warming rate, virtually all land areas warm faster than the global average.
RC comment seeds an idea.
Right now the gridding process assumes per SN a “well mixed” gas and nrmalizes across surface area.
It seems like the right way to average would involve heat capacity of conic sections that extend from the center of earth to space weighted according to separation from the point of energy transfer.
Maybe the modelers thought it through and solved it. Why do the f—–g programs have to be hidden so I can’t look?
The climate models are mostly hidden, right? We should be able to see the full code for the models. Or, at least a detailed flow diagram.
But then we would be able to tell them what they did wrong, which is intolerable (to them).
It does not matter if there is warming in New England because there will always be long cold and snowy winters.
Considering the parlous state of the weather sites, which seems specifically designed to record maximum warming…
.. this is not a huge surprise.
It’s amazing how many places “warming faster than most” while the Earth as a whole is not warming any “faster.”
And as a New England resident, I say GOOD. Happy to be warmer!
New England isn’t feeling the warmth at the present time. It’s *cold* there today.
It’s zero F this morning- after 6″ of snow a few days ago. This early severe winter must be do to CO2. 🙂 /s
“It cannot work without massive subsidies…” It can not work, period.
It could be honored with a Rube Goldberg award.
BP is in retrenchment on many fronts. There were heavy into the white elephant business.
Thumbs up for saying “BP is” and not “BP are”.
The least competitive country has been busy making sure it stays that way.
We told you so. If only you’d have listened through the din of virtue signaling just think of all the money, time, and grief that would have been saved.
The worst thing, you know? All these companies knew before the climate scam started it would never work without massive subsidies. They took the money and partied like is was 1999.
But, but, hydrogen is a gas!
(Pun intended)
Last year we were told that fossil fuels, in particular natural gas, were a gift from God. To deconstruct that gift in order to replace it with an inferior derivative is an insult to the almighty. The Bible has some stories indicating that such arrogance never ends well. BP just got the message, Miliband has to do some serious reading.
So then, one might point out that the rising oceans (at an ever accelerating pace) is the next Noah Flood?
Of course not, but emulating how they think is often a useful exercise.
It should be obvious to more than just BP leadership. Being a deadender on obvious issues is really bad.
Put hydrogen in with wind and solar, they don’t work stop wasting our time, money and resources on crap that doesn’t work. Fossil fuel and nuclear work, fire up all fossil fuel and nuclear generators, build new fossil fuel and nuclear generators remove all wind, solar and hydrogen from the grid.